Re: Main relay stays on with engine off, key out!
All,? I thought I'd post what was finally discovered.? There was a wiring issue in the main harness.? While I was able to isolate it to the harness as described above, I thought I'd visit with the Rocky Mountain Westy (RMW) team that made the harness a few years ago.? They tore it out, found the problem, fixed it and I was camping by the weekend.? Those guys at RMW continue to impress me as to their customer service and talents.? I'm just glad I didn't have to tear the harness out - I wasn't looking forward to that learning curve.
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Hello, ? On both of the ej22 conversions that I have done, I have simply used a series resistor with the subie sender. You can try various values to get a reading around middle range on the gauge when the engine is hot.? I used lower values than the commonly recommended 22 ohms.? Mine were closer to 11 ohms.? The power rating of the resistor should be at least 1 watt.
Larry A.
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If you're going to go new short block which I highly recommend after my experiences get a hold of me.? ?on a road trip I ended up buying one in Oregon no sales tax so that was fun and got a litttle deal off of list price. My rep at that dealer said she would be willing to replicate that for others if they just send a postage label. What I calculated is the postage was less then the tax to overall ended up being a good deal - either free tax or free shipping depending how you look at it.? ?Of course compare against your local person see how much it is out the door. But remember you won't have any warranty on that new block. I'm super happy with how my new short block is performing Andy
505-304-5306
On Mon, May 15, 2023, 7:50 PM connor warren via <connor_warren59= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks for the response!
I spoke with him this morning. He said he¡¯d be willing to halve his labor cost and give me a deal on parts which I definitely appreciate. He is definitely trying to do the right thing and that¡¯s all I can ask for. I¡¯m just a bit hesitant after this one failed, I¡¯d just hate to go through it all again and have another failure so quickly. I had heard excellent things about S&S, and that¡¯s the reason I had him build my engine. ? But I¡¯ve also some not very great things (including from two very highly recommended Subaru builders that I spoke with who have had to rebuild many of his failed engines). Not sure if it¡¯s worth spending the $ to have him rebuild it, or if I should just get a new EJ257 short block from my local Subaru dealer and do a Frankenmotor build after getting the heads checked at a machine shop here in town.?
Anyways, Steve wasn¡¯t sure what failed and said if it was a fault in workmanship it would have likely occurred in the first 500 miles. I haven¡¯t had much time to dig into it myself, but the failure was sudden and resulted in over a gallon of coolant dumping into my oil pan with little to no emulsification of the oil and coolant. Never overheated and was cruising at about 3500 rpm when it happened. Coolant temps just started to climb (max was 195*F) when the oil pressure light popped on and I immediately shut it down and pulled over. I was climbing a steep grade prior but it was 1am and about 45*F ambient, and my coolant temps were steady at 180*F the entire time pulling that hill. When I drained the oil, along with all the coolant I found a lot of ferrous and non ferrous metal flakes (obviously from the oil being displaced by coolant).?
It¡¯ll be a month or so before I have time to really dive in, but I¡¯ll shoot a borescope down the cylinders and pull the oil pan and pressurize the cooling system and see if I find anything, I imagine it¡¯ll be pretty obvious.?
Thanks!
Connor On May 15, 2023, at 6:10 PM, RICHARD KOERNER <rjkinpb@...> wrote:
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Well, I have an EJ22 installed per KEP kit, by California Westys in El Cajon, CA.? They get all their motors from Steve Johnson in Alpine.? CA Westys has now done many hundreds; I was #53 about 7 years ago.? Flawless motor performance at 75K miles for me.? Conner, sorry to hear about bad news....but I bet Steve J. will also be very interested in what caused it to fail; hang in there for support from him.? Yes, Steve has a very strong reputation locally in Southern California, and I bet he wants to keep it that way.
On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 08:25:44 PM PDT, Dr Mark < mark@...> wrote:
That¡¯s unnerving since I didn¡¯t install for 6 months after picking mine up .. I¡¯m at only 2k miles so far. do you know what failed ? . I spent time at his shop . His off-road credentials are legit . > On May 14, 2023, at 8:12 AM, connor warren via <connor_warren59= [email protected]> wrote: > > ?Steve did my last engine and I had a catastrophic failure at 11k miles. I emailed and called since I¡¯m within warranty mileage wise, but I'm outside the 12 month window. I haven¡¯t heard back yet. I¡¯m hoping to find something to just get me through the summer camping season until I can find the money or time to properly rebuild the engine. > > Thanks! > > Connor >> On May 13, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Dr Mark < mark@...> wrote: >> >> ?you could call steve (619) 445-5232 >> ssperformance@...>> >> >> just inland from san diego >> >> definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods . >> >> I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right. >> >> good luck >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via >> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM >> To: [email protected]>> Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22 >> >> Hey all, >> >> I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Connor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
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Thanks for the response!
I spoke with him this morning. He said he¡¯d be willing to halve his labor cost and give me a deal on parts which I definitely appreciate. He is definitely trying to do the right thing and that¡¯s all I can ask for. I¡¯m just a bit hesitant after this one failed, I¡¯d just hate to go through it all again and have another failure so quickly. I had heard excellent things about S&S, and that¡¯s the reason I had him build my engine. ? But I¡¯ve also some not very great things (including from two very highly recommended Subaru builders that I spoke with who have had to rebuild many of his failed engines). Not sure if it¡¯s worth spending the $ to have him rebuild it, or if I should just get a new EJ257 short block from my local Subaru dealer and do a Frankenmotor build after getting the heads checked at a machine shop here in town.?
Anyways, Steve wasn¡¯t sure what failed and said if it was a fault in workmanship it would have likely occurred in the first 500 miles. I haven¡¯t had much time to dig into it myself, but the failure was sudden and resulted in over a gallon of coolant dumping into my oil pan with little to no emulsification of the oil and coolant. Never overheated and was cruising at about 3500 rpm when it happened. Coolant temps just started to climb (max was 195*F) when the oil pressure light popped on and I immediately shut it down and pulled over. I was climbing a steep grade prior but it was 1am and about 45*F ambient, and my coolant temps were steady at 180*F the entire time pulling that hill. When I drained the oil, along with all the coolant I found a lot of ferrous and non ferrous metal flakes (obviously from the oil being displaced by coolant).?
It¡¯ll be a month or so before I have time to really dive in, but I¡¯ll shoot a borescope down the cylinders and pull the oil pan and pressurize the cooling system and see if I find anything, I imagine it¡¯ll be pretty obvious.?
Thanks!
Connor
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On May 15, 2023, at 6:10 PM, RICHARD KOERNER <rjkinpb@...> wrote:
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Well, I have an EJ22 installed per KEP kit, by California Westys in El Cajon, CA.? They get all their motors from Steve Johnson in Alpine.? CA Westys has now done many hundreds; I was #53 about 7 years ago.? Flawless motor performance at 75K miles for me.? Conner, sorry to hear about bad news....but I bet Steve J. will also be very interested in what caused it to fail; hang in there for support from him.? Yes, Steve has a very strong reputation locally in Southern California, and I bet he wants to keep it that way.
On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 08:25:44 PM PDT, Dr Mark <mark@...> wrote:
That¡¯s unnerving since I didn¡¯t install for 6 months after picking mine up .. I¡¯m at only 2k miles so far. do you know what failed ? . I spent time at his shop . His off-road credentials are legit . > On May 14, 2023, at 8:12 AM, connor warren via groups.io <connor_warren59@...> wrote: > > ?Steve did my last engine and I had a catastrophic failure at 11k miles. I emailed and called since I¡¯m within warranty mileage wise, but I'm outside the 12 month window. I haven¡¯t heard back yet. I¡¯m hoping to find something to just get me through the summer camping season until I can find the money or time to properly rebuild the engine. > > Thanks! > > Connor >> On May 13, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Dr Mark < mark@...> wrote: >> >> ?you could call steve (619) 445-5232 >> ssperformance@...>> www.subaruperformanceengines.com >> >> just inland from san diego >> >> definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods . >> >> I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right. >> >> good luck >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via groups.io >> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM >> To: [email protected]>> Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22 >> >> Hey all, >> >> I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Connor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
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Well, I have an EJ22 installed per KEP kit, by California Westys in El Cajon, CA.? They get all their motors from Steve Johnson in Alpine.? CA Westys has now done many hundreds; I was #53 about 7 years ago.? Flawless motor performance at 75K miles for me.? Conner, sorry to hear about bad news....but I bet Steve J. will also be very interested in what caused it to fail; hang in there for support from him.? Yes, Steve has a very strong reputation locally in Southern California, and I bet he wants to keep it that way.
On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 08:25:44 PM PDT, Dr Mark <mark@...> wrote:
That¡¯s unnerving since I didn¡¯t install for 6 months after picking mine up .. I¡¯m at only 2k miles so far. do you know what failed ? . I spent time at his shop . His off-road credentials are legit . > On May 14, 2023, at 8:12 AM, connor warren via groups.io <connor_warren59@...> wrote: > > ?Steve did my last engine and I had a catastrophic failure at 11k miles. I emailed and called since I¡¯m within warranty mileage wise, but I'm outside the 12 month window. I haven¡¯t heard back yet. I¡¯m hoping to find something to just get me through the summer camping season until I can find the money or time to properly rebuild the engine. > > Thanks! > > Connor >> On May 13, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Dr Mark < mark@...> wrote: >> >> ?you could call steve (619) 445-5232 >> ssperformance@...>> www.subaruperformanceengines.com >> >> just inland from san diego >> >> definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods . >> >> I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right. >> >> good luck >> >> M >>
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via groups.io >> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM >> To: [email protected]>> Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22 >> >> Hey all, >> >> I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Connor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
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California is crazy.?? Eric Freudenthal
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You can get hour meters at the local marine store . What state are you in . in California Im not sure they would be OK with an aftermarket odometer . had to rebuild one for my MG .
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Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2023 10:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Subaru temp sender
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Rather than fussing too much with?incompatible signals, I instead discarded my vw instrument cluster and instead screwed down a thin piece of plywood in its place and installed modern 50mm round gauges for temp, tach, and gas level.? For
speed, I used? a 440 gps driven unit that projects onto the windshield.? I also bought LED indicators for high beam, turn signal, oil, brake, and alternator, and toggle switches for emergency?flasher, lights, and defog.
I no longer have an odometer, but the original one had failed long before I owned the car.? ?I just registered it with "unknown" mileage and now it no longer lies.? ?I probably?should add an hour meter (like on airplanes).? ?.??
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Lots of good advice and options above. FWIW, we have an OBD2 Scan Gauge mounted in a clever little 3D-printed holder from GoWesty that clips on the dashboard above the steering column. We also added a VW sensor port in the Subaru cooling loop that feeds the temp gauge in the instrument panel. Didn't try it, but I believe a 28 ohm resistor in series with the Subaru temp sensor feed will drive the VW temp gauge pretty reliably.?
On Mon, May 15, 2023, 02:32 Eric Freudenthal < eric@...> wrote: Rather than fussing too much with?incompatible signals, I instead discarded my vw instrument cluster and instead screwed down a thin piece of plywood in its place and installed modern 50mm round gauges for temp, tach, and gas level.? For speed, I used? a 440 gps driven unit that projects onto the windshield.? I also bought LED indicators for high beam, turn signal, oil, brake, and alternator, and toggle switches for emergency?flasher, lights, and defog.
I no longer have an odometer, but the original one had failed long before I owned the car.? ?I just registered it with "unknown" mileage and now it no longer lies.? ?I probably?should add an hour meter (like on airplanes).? ?.??
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Rather than fussing too much with?incompatible signals, I instead discarded my vw instrument cluster and instead screwed down a thin piece of plywood in its place and installed modern 50mm round gauges for temp, tach, and gas level.? For speed, I used? a 440 gps driven unit that projects onto the windshield.? I also bought LED indicators for high beam, turn signal, oil, brake, and alternator, and toggle switches for emergency?flasher, lights, and defog.
I no longer have an odometer, but the original one had failed long before I owned the car.? ?I just registered it with "unknown" mileage and now it no longer lies.? ?I probably?should add an hour meter (like on airplanes).? ?.??
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Not sure yet. I was initially thinking head gasket but it¡¯s beginning to appear to be more catastrophic than that. I haven¡¯t pulled it apart yet, and it didn¡¯t overheat. I drained the oil pan and found more than a gallon of coolant in there that hadn¡¯t yet emulsified with the oil. So it appears that the coolant dumped into the engine very quickly and I shut it down as soon as my oil light flickered on. Found bits of ferrous and non ferrous metals in the oil pan. Hopefully going to take a borescope to it when I have some more time on my hands.
Super disappointed, hopefully I¡¯ll hear back from steve this week to see if we can work out some sort of warranty coverage. If not I¡¯ll need to source something else. Hopefully the heads are still ok, but I haven¡¯t had time to pull them yet.
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On May 14, 2023, at 8:25 PM, Dr Mark <mark@...> wrote:
?That¡¯s unnerving since I didn¡¯t install for 6 months after picking mine up .. I¡¯m at only 2k miles so far. do you know what failed ? . I spent time at his shop . His off-road credentials are legit .
On May 14, 2023, at 8:12 AM, connor warren via groups.io <connor_warren59@...> wrote:
?Steve did my last engine and I had a catastrophic failure at 11k miles. I emailed and called since I¡¯m within warranty mileage wise, but I'm outside the 12 month window. I haven¡¯t heard back yet. I¡¯m hoping to find something to just get me through the summer camping season until I can find the money or time to properly rebuild the engine.
Thanks!
Connor
On May 13, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Dr Mark <mark@...> wrote: ?you could call steve (619) 445-5232
ssperformance@...
www.subaruperformanceengines.com
just inland from san diego
definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods .
I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right.
good luck
M
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22
Hey all,
I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know!
Thanks!
Connor
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Hi Jake,?
thanks for advice. I will follow your suggestion. I¡¯ll report how it will be working while done.?
cheers,?
Maciek
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That¡¯s unnerving since I didn¡¯t install for 6 months after picking mine up .. I¡¯m at only 2k miles so far. do you know what failed ? . I spent time at his shop . His off-road credentials are legit .
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On May 14, 2023, at 8:12 AM, connor warren via groups.io <connor_warren59@...> wrote:
?Steve did my last engine and I had a catastrophic failure at 11k miles. I emailed and called since I¡¯m within warranty mileage wise, but I'm outside the 12 month window. I haven¡¯t heard back yet. I¡¯m hoping to find something to just get me through the summer camping season until I can find the money or time to properly rebuild the engine.
Thanks!
Connor
On May 13, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Dr Mark <mark@...> wrote:
?you could call steve (619) 445-5232
ssperformance@...
www.subaruperformanceengines.com
just inland from san diego
definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods .
I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right.
good luck
M
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22
Hey all,
I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know!
Thanks!
Connor
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Steve did my last engine and I had a catastrophic failure at 11k miles. I emailed and called since I¡¯m within warranty mileage wise, but I'm outside the 12 month window. I haven¡¯t heard back yet. I¡¯m hoping to find something to just get me through the summer camping season until I can find the money or time to properly rebuild the engine.
Thanks!
Connor
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On May 13, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Dr Mark <mark@...> wrote:
?you could call steve (619) 445-5232
ssperformance@...
www.subaruperformanceengines.com
just inland from san diego
definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods .
I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right.
good luck
M
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22
Hey all,
I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know!
Thanks!
Connor
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you could call steve (619) 445-5232
ssperformance@...
www.subaruperformanceengines.com
just inland from san diego
definitely knows how to build. just depends on how busy he is building sand rails . hes also got some folks who do installs & mods .
I did a franken with a larger block but 2.2 heads . he knows how to do it right.
good luck
M
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of connor warren via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:37 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Looking for an EJ22 Hey all, I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know! Thanks! Connor
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Hey all,
I¡¯m looking for an OBD1 (1990-1994) EJ22 long block after mine gave up the ghost last night on our way home from Southern California. Figured I¡¯d check here to see if anyone might have something laying around gathering dust. Let me know!
Thanks!
Connor
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Hi Maciek,
I added a VW temp sender to the Subaru manifold to feed the dash gauge and? has worked perfectly for ~85,000 miles so far!
9MM drill bit, 1.0 x 10MM tap (I think...)
Hi group, I am new here. I live in Warsaw, Poland. I have a Westy 1987 with Syncro conversion done few years ago. I swap the VW 2.0 petrol engine from Golf 3 but now I have all parts ready (sourced in Germany) and a vendor car for Subaru 2.5 (ej25) conversion.?
What is a best solution for temp sensor connection to the original dash gauge? I have read on Samba that it is common practice to drill and install standard VW sender in the cooling manifold (I have a reversed one). Does it right solution based on your experience? Is there anything specific I should keep on the back of mind??
Cheers,?
Maciek
-- Jake
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1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender with 2000 2.5 SOHC Subaru, 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential
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Subaru engines ground connection is under intake manifold--inaccessible. Installing a new ground wire to a bolt on the intake solved several issues for me.
Also? are you sure your new injectors have new seals properly installed?
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Thinking i might be running lean. O2 sensors at 0 volts at idle. Seem?to operate through rest of throttle range as they should up to 0.9 volts. I checked fuel pressure and believe i am within spec based on what is in my?factory service manual. I am at 31-32 psi with vacuum 41-42 psi without.
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The same is true when cleaning up IACV or Throttle Body.? You have now just introduced new parameters....that is, a clean system.? ECU is not familiar with these new parameters.? No sweat..it will learn...just give it time.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:59:56 AM PDT, Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@...> wrote:
Yes!? ECU is constantly making incremental adjustments.? It will only do a little bit at a time...by design.? Might even take 20 start/drive/shut-down cycles, but eventually it will get to where it wants to be.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:40:35 AM PDT, billy via groups.io <gofast505@...> wrote:
Im back!
Took me a while, with my travels and crappy weather I finally got the VSS to the ECU. ?Took me forever because I am using the VSS from the GoWesty CC kit. ?While I had the dash apart I did a ton of work in there and ran the cables back to the engine bay. ?I did what I said and ran the 12V signal to a relay, one side the VSS the other side GND. ?Then the other side of the relay I spliced into 5V from the MAF cable and ran the output of the relay to the VSS in on the ECU that's on the wiring harness from AutoVentures. ?
So, I reset the codes, started at 1200, down to 800. ?Drove for about 5 minutes stop and go, no issues, then another 5 but the idle was high, about 1800 and kept creeping up when it got to 3000 it started blowing blue smoke and I shut her down.?
Got on the reader, there was a code for no VSS, odd, I just hooked that up. ?Reset, restart, started up 1200, went down to 750, drove for about 5 mins no prob then the idle was higher, bout 1800 again. ?Stopped, checked reader, no codes! ?Reset again and restarted, 1200 to 750 as usual. ?Drove home, about 5 minutes with no issues till my road. ?Idle was high but not that high, bout 1200. ?Pulled into driveway. ?Stopped and checked reader, had a 1143 code. ?Reset and restarted at 1200-750 as normal. ?Had to quit for the day. ?I read somewhere on here that this is kinda normal for startup with the VSS? ?That the ECU must learn? ?
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Hi group, I am new here. I live in Warsaw, Poland. I have a Westy 1987 with Syncro conversion done few years ago. I swap the VW 2.0 petrol engine from Golf 3 but now I have all parts ready (sourced in Germany) and a vendor car for Subaru 2.5 (ej25) conversion.?
What is a best solution for temp sensor connection to the original dash gauge? I have read on Samba that it is common practice to drill and install standard VW sender in the cooling manifold (I have a reversed one). Does it right solution based on your experience? Is there anything specific I should keep on the back of mind??
Cheers,?
Maciek
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Dr Mark
