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Posting Guidelines - May 2020
Tom and I have reviewed member’s requests as related to broadening the forum topic scope. We’ve decided against allowing topics which are thoroughly discussed in other forums (tires, brakes, suspension). Please review the guidelines set forth below. Off topic messages will be removed from the group and, where possible, the author notified. Allowed: Performance & Maintenance of the Subaru Engine (JDM or USDM) and Drivetrain of Subied Vanagons. Components that are NECESSARY to run the engine and deliver it’s power to the ground. Off Topic: - CV joints, brakes, tires*, wheels - HVAC (heater, air conditioning) - Instrument cluster mods/upgrades** - Inverters, batteries, lighting - Any general Vanagon upgrades Not Allowed: Flames, disparaging comments Topic highjacking (starting a new topic by replying to an existing, unrelated topic) Posts without identification of year/model of engine and vehicle Using forum messages to contact another forum user (use direct email) Bad Form: Replying to messages without trimming the previous thread. Posting a previously posted topic (search the archives please) *Tire diameter discussion is acceptable **Subaru instrument cluster where required by model of Suby Engine Thanks, Brent (co-moderator)
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SubaruVanagon Parts/Servicing/Installers Database Now Available
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As per member requests I dhave added a database to allow members to enter the names, a short description, url link, and services offered checkbox. Find it here: /g/SubaruVanagon/table?id=41314 Feel free to reach out if you feel it's missing something. Enter new rows as you see fit! Best, Brent
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Warren’s Conversion - Wiring Harness
So I finally got the wiring harness through the firewall and I’m about to embark on connecting it to the main harness. I think once the engine is installed it will be easy enough to know what plugs where, but my immediate challenge is figuring out exactly how to connect the harness to the black box in the engine bay. I’m still trying to figure out what to remove and what to leave behind. My harness was done by AV Subaru Conversions so I know the alternator-to-starter-to-black box harness was to be removed and not used, so that’s been removed. The first thing I did was bundle the harness up out of the way while I figure it out. This is where I’m a bit confused. It can’t be all that bad since there aren’t really that many wires. There are two large round plugs and I think one goes to the tail lights, so the other round plug likely plugs into the round plug on the harness. I will follow the Smallcar installation guide and see how that works out. If you would be willing to share some of your knowledge or experience with this part of the conversion, please do chime in! -- Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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ECU vs block
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Hi there, Last fall we took possession of an 85 bus but it was late in the year and we barely drove it, or even got familiar with it. So now I’m poking around because I want to buy an oil filter, and: The ECU s/n indicates an ‘03 WRX, 2.5, but I’m seeing EJ20 on the block. Is this a usual arrangement? I know there are many variables; I’m just starting down the path of deciphering what I’ve got here. (Can an EJ20 be bored out to make it a 2.5? Might the ECU have been reflashed to suit an EJ20? Does it matter very little? &tc….) Tx, Jim
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Warren’s Conversion - Engine Bay
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With the stainless coolant pipes installed, new heater hoses installed, and fuel tank refreshed and installed, I am finally turning my attention to the engine bay. I began by cleaning it reasonably well, then proceeded to remove the intake snorkel on the passenger side. I expect I can use that snorkel in some form or another on the driver’s side when I get to air intake considerations. The snorkel is a bit difficult to get out. It is attached to a plastic cover on the bay side. There is a small rivet that needs to be drilled out. Then clips on top and bottom of where the snorkel attaches have to be pressed and wrangled out. Then, you have to go up top to the outside vent and get the top of the snorkel off the hose. It is attached with a strip of what appears to be electrical tape. But before you pull it out you have to get it off a set of hooks inside the vent. I just used a screwdriver and pushed the snorkel free. The snorkel is longer than I expected. The photo shows the parts laid out but you get the idea. Now I have some additional free space that was heretofore blocked off. I’ll clean it out, but not sure what, if anything, I will use the space for. Any ideas? (This is on the passenger side). -- Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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Looking for a motor
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I live in the PNW and I’m hunting for a motor to replace the 2002 SOHC in my Vanagon. Anyone have one that is a good runner that they’d like to sell?
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EJ251 SOHC Timing
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I went to do a timing belt change for the first time since conversion and got to setting TDC before removing the old belt. I noticed that the timing mark on the crank sprocket appears to be off by one tooth while the cams seem to be perfectly aligned. The van was running well. How is this possible?? Another observation I made was that the belt guide is not in place. This conversion was done by RMW so I was surprised to not see the guide. Donor car VIN lists MT so it should have been there, no? Thanks in advance for any insight.
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Warrens Conversion -Heater Hose Routing
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My heater hose arrived from GoWesty and ibm e got the outside(passenger side) hose connected at the front. My objective is to route that one hose (or both?) through the fuel tank tunnel, which will make fitting those RMW coolant pipes easier (I hope). I’ve done a test fitting (see photos). Please provide feedback on this idea if you don’t mind. p.s. the GoWesty hose is a bit larger (OD) than the original Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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I'm so glad this list exists!
I've received very helpful advice on many occasions! THANKS! Mike Hart
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EJ22 OBD-1: Strange Start Problem/Fuel Pressure Regulators
Thanks for all your helpful comments. I wish the 'connect the green test connectors together' had told me anything - I did this as a first step when I started this diagnosis - but there were no codes or non-normal behaviour. I suppose the transient supply voltage drop from that burned fuse/holder was not enough to trigger anything. The pointer to the Standard Products PR260 2.5 Bar (36 psi) fuel pressure regulator was very helpful - thanks Wayne! That's the first one I've seen that actually calls out the pressure spec. I was stupid enough to believe the claims on the ones I bought (to fit this non-turbo engine). Since injector flow rate goes as the square root of pressure, a 3.0 Bar FPR would give 10% extra fuel flow (vs. the 2.5 Bar spec). I would expect the ECU closed loop control to deal with this just fine at constant speed but might see some impact at acceleration (better acceleration, higher fuel use?; I don't really need/want either as this is a Frankenmotor). If I was wanting to find out more I could compare the two (but the FPR is hard to get to!). I could probably have stuck with the 3.0 Bar FPR just fine - the higher fuel pressure might increase the risk of fuel leaks a little. I put the old Subaru unit back in and it seems good. Now I have several new spare parts to store away under the seat! Thanks Again! Mike Hart Paso Robles, CA mjhart853@...
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EJ22 OBD-1: Fuel Pressure Regulators
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As an addendum to my EJ22 Strange Start Problem debug, I had an issue finding correct and quality parts; perhaps someone has comments on the following? I bought 2 new fuel pressure regulators (Herko and Beck Arnley brands) - I couldn't find any genuine Subaru units from any of the Subaru parts dealers. Both were supposedly correct for the 1994 Legacy EJ22 that my engine started life as NOT! Both turned out to be 3.0 Bar (43 psi) units and measured fuel pressure (at Idle) was markedly higher than the original. Research on this led me to see (in Haynes) that there are different specs for the non-turbo EJ22 (2.5 Bar = 36 psi) and turbo EJ22 (3.0 Bar = 43 psi) However all the online parts listings I can find claim their units work across both engines; obviously incorrect. I put the old Subaru original back in (it's marked as JECs A44-000R55) to recover the lower pressure ....Any ideas on where to get a 'correct' 2.5 Bar unit from? (Subaru parts dealers have a part # 22670AA050 but they list this for both non-turbo and turbo cars...). Also, how to be sure they really are 2.5 Bar units before installing and measuring them? Mike Hart Paso Robles, CA mjhart853@...
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EJ22 OBD-1: Strange Start Problem (Pt 4 - the finale)
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FINALLY - I think I have figured it out.... A long post but I thought some of you might wish to read... Background: 1987 Westfalia w/ 1994 OBD-1 EJ22/25 Frankenmotor w/ starting issue; - Normally the engine starts right up (just a few seconds of cranking) - A few times now it has taken a long time or wouldn't fire up at all - Still cranked perfectly normally (high torque starter running fast) - Also, occasionally, when I turned the key to the 'Run' position and didn't go straight to 'Start', the CEL flashed On and Off repeatedly plus I heard the fuel pump relay clicking in the back Latest update and final (I hope) diagnosis/fix: - Main fuse to the ECU was burned. - There is a 20A fuse in a dustproof fuse holder feeding the ECU; in my van this is next to the ECU under the seat (some folks seem to put the two relays in the black terminal box in the engine compartment?) - From outside all looked good; the top of the fuse also looked good (I checked this early on in my search) - HOWEVER, inside, the fuse body and contacts were melted/blackened (the fuse hadn't blown it was just making a bad connection; I suspect it had come loose at some point) - enough extra resistance to drop the supply to the ECU and that in turn caused the fuel pump relay to 'chatter' and drop out. No fuel pressure at START = No Engine Start. - Replacing the fuse holder and fuse with a 'MAXI' version (more metal contact area) gives me NORMAL Starting/Running once more - At LAST! How did I find this: I tried using a DVM and LED bulbs to probe power and signals around the ECU, relays, ignition switch etc. but I only really identified it using my oscilloscope; it was so transient and hard to find. One blind alley I took; (1). fuel pressure collapsing rapidly after the fuel pump turned off (I powered the fuel pump direct and tee-d in a fuel pressure gauge) - it's supposed to remain above 30 psi after 15 minutes: indicated to me a fuel leak/delivery issue. No hose leaks apparent - I changed the fuel pump & filter - NO impact - SO I thought this must be the fuel pressure regulator or leaky injectors; took them out, replaced them all. NO impact - Back to the fuel pump: 2nd replacement was good; now I got solid fuel pressure (although incorrect - see my following post) ==> Two bad fuel pumps!! All part of my luck! (2). Other things I changed (unnecessarily as it seems...)- new fuel pump and ignition relays - new ignition switch - swapped out the ECU - added a new major ground strap chassis to engine (previously heavy duty cables battery to engine). Main battery voltage ~12.2V (and the engine cranked just fine) FINALLY - a < $1 part seems to have failed (and I spent ~$600 on new parts and many hours to figure it out...) Thanks for suggestions as I worked through this; hopefully my van is good again Mike Hart Paso Robles, CA mjhart853@...
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Warren’s Conversion - Turning the Corner
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So I finally got the two new radiator hoses installed and I was able to use the original spring clamps instead of the supplied screw clamps, but one was a bit difficult to get on, even using the special clamp pliers I purchased for the job. The radiator mount is back in place and I hope I’m done with that. What’s important for me now is that I am actually installing parts instead of taking things off, so that’s turning a corner in my book. Although I still have a few things to remove in the engine area and need to install new boots on the shift lever at the transmission, I’m putting it back together, piece by piece, component by component. -- Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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Warren’s Conversion - Clutch and Pressure Plate, Fuel Tank Refresh, and Coolant Pipes
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Today I started to remove the fuel tank and those pesky expansion tanks. I got the fuel filler neck out after shedding a bit of blood due to a nice scrape. The grommet on top of the expansion tank was rotted off and actually down inside the tank. No wonder I was always smelling gas. So next is removing the fuel tank itself and the plastic coolant pipes that run front to back. I believe the stainless pipes I purchased from Van Cafe are made to work with their conversion kit. In the meantime, I installed the clutch and pressure plate on the Subaru engine, torqued the bolts evenly to 22 ft lbs and, although I did not see it recommended in the RMW literature, I used a bit of blue thread locker on them. -- Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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Warren’s Conversion - Transmission refresh
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I had some difficulty removing the drive flanges and seals but I finally got it done. I had to order two new circlips from Van Cafe as I destroyed one of mine taking it out. Then I installed the new seals, replaced the plastic backing thing, and finished that part up. I drained the gear oil and was it ever dirty! But there were very few metallic particles on the magnetic drain plug. I filled it with 3 liters of GL-4 conventional 80-90 gear oil but I’m still not sure that’s enough. Possibly I’ll need to add a bit more. I replaced the throwout bearing (release bearing) with a Sachs bearing, lubed the cross shaft bushings with dry lube and things there look pretty good. I also installed a new reverse light switch as mine was toast. Also I received my new high torque starter from Van Cafe. I have the adapter plate from Westy Ventures. So other than possibly adding a bit more gear oil, I’m good with the transmission. The cross shaft bushings looked good and they were snug. The main shaft had a bit of side to side wriggle but it was tight when I pulled on it. The mounting rubber was also in good condition. So I think I’m finished with this part of the conversion for now at least. -- Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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Alternator Rebuild - comments and pics
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It was a process for sure. I purchased a “commonly failed items” kit from Maniac Electric online. The parts all fit perfectly. Splitting the alternator was a bit of an unknown and I damaged the first one I broke open so here are the steps. Remove the 4 through bolts Put alternator on stable something, I used a vice and clamped the one ear of the mounting tab Tap the pulley side which I’ll call the front back and forth as it will twist without doing any damage to windings underneath Once it’s freed up a little you’ll notice 4 spots where you can fit a flat head screwdriver in to pry it up. You can pry here but be careful as you can damage the winding or the gasket if yours has one(I had one with and one without). I had two screwdrivers opposite one another with slight pressure and then tapped on the mounting tabs with a soft mallet and eventually it will start to move. With one I put it pulley down and smashed it into the workbench holding the tabs, this destroyed the threads for the pulley so don’t do that. What you’re actually doing in this step is dislodging the lower bearing from the back housing. You could possibly also use a pulley puller on the pulley and tug on that. But there is no need to removed the pulley to get it apart. That said, the kit comes with two bearings, one mounts under the pulley so eventually you’ll have to remove it and it’s easier when assembled so you kind of have to decide which way you’re going. Anyway to remove the pulley there are two opposite spots in the housing you can CAREFULLY insert screwdrivers or similar to “lock” it from spinning while you remove the pulley. I zapped it with the air gun and it came off pretty easily. Ok so you’ve got it apart, now what. Well I bought a cheapo 3” gear puller to remove the rear bearing and that one was noisy so about to fail, and I replaced it by smacking the new one back on with the old one, cleaned up the shaft and lubed it slightly to aid with install. If you’re going to replace the slip rings (where the brushes ride) you would de solder that piece and remove it before you smack on the new rear bearing. Mine were ok so I cleaned them up gently with 1500 grit wet sand paper. And re used. The front bearing has a bearing carrier that is installed from the front under the pulley. You could possibly remove it leaving the pulley on, I didn’t as my screws were shot and I replaced them with stainless Allen head ones for future repair. The bearing isn’t a super tight fit, hence the carrier I guess. I used blue loctite on the stainless screws as they look like they’d strip out pretty easy so you can’t tighten them too much. I also used liquid electrical tape which I know is kind of hokey but I used it on spots on the windings that I dinged and could possibly become a bare surface and also around both sides of the middle portion where the housing sandwiches it. So now to replace the regulator. This sucked. You have to desolder the old one, and mine was a mess with way too much solder. I used solder wick to clean it up after, one came off easy and one was a mess. See photos. I used a very small panel screwdriver to gently pry on it while I was heating it up with the soldering iron, this worked well. The new one comes with a pin to hold in the brushes. There is a hole the pin lines up with on the rear housing so you can’t tighten assemble the entire thing and then remove the pin to release the brushes. I yelled “release the hounds” at this point as a triumphant thing but then realized I mis aligned the front and had to do it all again. When re soldering the new regulator make sure you do it with the rear housing screwed on as this will ensure it’s aligned properly. You’ll see what I mean. That’s about it. Note the front housing has the two holes, the threaded one is on its own and the plain hole lines up with the rear non threaded hole. If you screw this up and can’t figure out why it won’t mount like I did, simply remove the 4 bolts holding it all together and gently tap it around to line up. While holding your breath and praying, at least that’s was me. Hop
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Alternator Rebuild - comments and pics
Sorry I tried to start a new thread and failed
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Warren’s Conversion - Difficulty Removing Wiring Harness
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Friends, I have had considerable difficult removing my wiring harness. I cut out a portion of my rear Westy seat box but still couldn’t get the connector through the hole, so I snipped it off and pulled the wiring into the engine bay. I posted the following on the samba so I thought I would post it here as well as I try to get some guidance on removing the harness. One kind samba member has responded so far and provided a photo (many thanks 4Gears4Tires!!). “Okay guys. I’m not sure how to pull the Vanagon wiring harness, i.e., what to take out and what to leave behind. I removed the ECU and pulled the main harness back into the engine bay and started to try to figure out what was what. There is apparently a main harness and an engine management harness. I should remove the engine management harness but I don’t know the difference. I asked for help from Jeff at AVSubaruconversions, who did my wiring harness, and indicated that I am a visual person and asked if he had any photos. He said “I don’t have any photos. To do a swap you need to be familiar with both platforms” and eventually told me “you need to know what you’re dealing with and looking at to do a swap. At this point you would have to research or pay somebody that knows how to do a swap if you don’t want to research.” The mechanicals are easy for me. The electrics are not. So I’m doing research as Jeff suggested and asking for help! What to take out and what to leave behind? When I received my harness Jeff included some notes and a screenshot of Smallcar’s diagram to connect to the black box. So I feel confident that when I get to that point I will be able to install the modified harness. But I need to get to that point. Any help, photos, diagrams, etc. will be appreciated. Thanks in advance!” -- Warren 89 Westy 88 Tintop 70 Westy
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EJ22 OBD-1: Strange Start Problem (Pt 3)
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I gathered some more information this afternoon; I'm learning this start sequence is a bit complex.... - Fuel Pressure test Gauge tee-d in after the filter Turning the key to 'Run' IF the CEL cycles (as I described before) then the fuel pump doesn't come on until the CEL becomes constant (this happens unpredictably, sometimes immediately, sometimes after a few s, sometimes it seems to just keep on cycling) - Once CEL is constant, then the fuel pump turns on for 2-3 s; pressure rises to ~32-34 psi (that seems about right?) - Then pump turns off and pressure decays back to < 10 psi pretty fast (in < 10 s) Going from 'Run' to 'Start' turns the fuel pump on again and the engine usually (but not always cleanly) fires up Fuel pressure remains at 32 - 43 psi when the engine is running (higher when revving the engine); that seems correct. The rapid decay of fuel pressure once the pump turns off seems wrong; I would have expected it to stay high for 30 - 60s at least (that's what I'm used to on my L-Jetronic TR7s). If this indicates a leak, then I would think the only possible causes could be the pressure regulator or injectors - anything else? Jason suggested the ignition switch may be at fault; that may be possible so I'll try that but I can't get any different result by any kind of pressure/wiggling of the key/switch Thanks for reading my long missives and for all your ideas! Fuel pressure regulator on order... Spare injectors dug out of my parts stash; they need rebuilding first... THANKS Mike Hart Paso Robles, CA (650) 387-8957 mjhart853@...
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EJ22 OBD-1: Strange Start Problems
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My 1987 Westfalia has a 1994 OBD-1 EJ22/25 Frankenmotor (50k+ on the conversion done by 523Rods) I have a strange starting issue; - Normally the engine starts right up (just a few seconds of cranking) - A few times now it either takes a long time or won't fire up at all - Still cranks perfectly normally (high torque starter running fast) - Also, occasionally (and it seems related), when I turn the key to the 'Run' position and don't go straight to 'Start', the CEL flashes On and Off repeatedly plus I hear relays clicking in the back - there are two relays (starter and Ignition) next to the ECU under the seat and one or both seem to be the ones doing this Ideas? Thanks, Mike Hart Paso Robles, CA (650) 387-8957 mjhart853@...
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