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Re: False "Online" with DecoderPro
After about 10 seconds that should change to red and say offline. It takes
that long for the system probe to timeout. If it stays online, check if the
screen says simulator or not. Also check in preferences for the connection
of simulator and in Defaults in case it has Internal selected.
-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
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Dave,
You new file un-zips up as a "__MACOSX" file with no open-able files inside
Ray Eiser
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Dave,
Allow me to expand your knowledge a little more with "non-foklore" based on experience.?
Picture this, You are in the middle of an op session with 15 friends. You are using a Digitrax system and have several OEM QSI version 6 decoder-equipped locos. As will happen, some operator runs an open switch, causes a short, and the session comes to a halt (Pre-PM42 days) . The offender "pulls" back the loco from the short area, The Digitrax system "reboots". (which feeds a heavy spike of PURE DC current onto the track because Digitrax older systems have a HUGE resonance frequency imbalance until they settle down.?
Suddenly, ALL of the Version 6 locos take off at MACH 5 because the default settings include restoring the analog "conversion" to activate. Locos with strings of 20 hoppers with LIVE loads of coal, stones or ore literally FLY toward curves or through coal loading facilities or toward the sharpest curves not designed for high speed trains. (do NOT ask how I know this) . Cleanup will take DAYS as now there is coal, stones, and red ore everywhere that has been dumped by those trains. You also find locos in the turntable pit or smashed through the rear walls of the roundhouse because, it IS only plastic or wood. Some have even attempted to leap across the gap where you are using a gate or bridge to access the layout while someone needed to open it during this debacle.
NOW you are talking about an exciting session where mere mortals have attempted to literally catch trains hell bent on self destruction. You BETCHA that I upgraded EVERY one of those suckers ASAP.
Side note, Digitrax will sternly deny this problem as? they fixed it in later Boosters like the Zephyr but refused to upgrade older systems for FREE like their competitors .
Have a good one, Nick Kulp
"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"- Nick Kulp
Michael and Nick, My comments in that JMRI support page were based on V7 QSI decoders (QSI documentation and owning a number).
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> Trying to make the old chips work is like shoveling sand from the bottom of a hole. The original chip is unstable and a short circuit will usually reset them back to default CVs, which means that you will need to attempt to re-program them almost every time a short happens on the layout.
That probably explains the "folklore" I've heard about QSI decoders. The only problems I've encountered have been accidental resets due to motor magnetic fields from a passing loco and the almost-universal fail-closed reed switch (solved with sidecutters). Dave in Australia
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Hi, you can Google QS Industries and get their E-mail address. They are located in Beaverton, OR and ask your questions, they are glad to help.
Al Babinsky
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Tony, On 2 Dec 2019, at 8:11 AM, forfoum@... wrote:
You will have to go thru 'Programs and Features' or 'Apps and Fearures ' depending on win10 version to remove JMRI. Using this method will also show (and allow you to remove) multiple JMRI installations due to having installed JMRI both "For This User Only" and "For All Users". This kind of duplicate installation will create problems if the two installed versions are different. A JMRI installation "For This User Only" will not put any files in C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI directory (or C:\Program Files\JMRI). They are buried in a normally-invisible location under your user account. Dave in Australia
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Michael, On 2 Dec 2019, at 4:11 PM, Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
I just started DecoderPro on one of my computer terminals which is NOT connected to my layout (which, in any case, is turned off) and was surprised to see the following at the bottom of the page:
"Service Mode Programmer NCE Is Online Operations Mode Programmer NCE Is Online"
Normally, when the NCE Controller is not turned on I get a message about not being connected. Your NCE connection is probably set to Simulator. Dave in Australia
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Michael and Nick, On 2 Dec 2019, at 4:22 PM, Nick via Groups.Io <cornwall9@...> wrote:
I've looked at most of the responses and, as a BETA Tester for QSI, I noticed you mentioned the decoder was a Version 6, which relates to the ORIGINAL QSI decoders, NOT one that has been upgraded, am I correct ?
In THAT instance, you have a problem. That particular version had the BASIC features of a normal decoder but NOT the advanced features like BEMF and speed tables . This is thanks to Mike's Train House and their frivolous law suit (that he LOST) stating he "invented" the DCC features . QSI and other sound decoder manufacturers had to cripple those features until the suit was settled, which took YEARS . Thanks MTH.
If you really want to have those features, you MUST upgrade to the Version 7 chip, (available from QSI or Litchfield Station . (I am sure there are others but I do not know all of them.) When I BETA tested the QSI programmer and the upgrade chips, those features were added as part of the upgrade. The upgrade chips run about $30.00 - $35.00 , are easy to install, and can be ordered with the type of loco you purchased or reprogrammed with any file you want using the QSI programmer and software from QSI. My comments in that JMRI support page were based on V7 QSI decoders (QSI documentation and owning a number).
Trying to make the old chips work is like shoveling sand from the bottom of a hole. The original chip is unstable and a short circuit will usually reset them back to default CVs, which means that you will need to attempt to re-program them almost every time a short happens on the layout.
That probably explains the "folklore" I've heard about QSI decoders. The only problems I've encountered have been accidental resets due to motor magnetic fields from a passing loco and the almost-universal fail-closed reed switch (solved with sidecutters). Dave in Australia
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Mike,
I've looked at most of the responses and, as a BETA Tester for QSI, I noticed you mentioned the decoder was a Version 6, which relates to the ORIGINAL QSI decoders, NOT one that has been upgraded, am I correct ?
In THAT instance, you have a problem. That particular version had the BASIC features of a normal decoder but NOT the advanced features like BEMF and speed tables . This is thanks to Mike's Train House and their frivolous law suit (that he LOST) stating he "invented" the DCC features . QSI and other sound decoder manufacturers had to cripple those features until the suit was settled, which took YEARS . Thanks MTH.
If you really want to have those features, you MUST upgrade to the Version 7 chip, (available from QSI or Litchfield Station . (I am sure there are others but I do not know all of them.)? When I BETA tested the QSI programmer and the upgrade chips, those features were added as part of the upgrade. The upgrade chips run about $30.00 - $35.00 , are easy to install, and can be ordered with the type of loco you purchased or reprogrammed with any file you want using the QSI programmer and software from QSI.
Trying to make the old chips work is like shoveling sand from the bottom of a hole. The original chip is unstable and a short circuit will usually reset them back to default CVs, which means that you will need to attempt to re-program them almost every time a short happens on the layout.?
There are some that say it is possible but after doing this for almost 18 years, I can provide documentation about it if necessary . In any case, my strong suggestion is to purchase an upgrade chip , toss the old one into the circular file, and have a much better decoder for less than most silent decoders.
Contact me off-list if you want the info.
Respectfully, Nick Kulp
"I'm not a failure. I started at the bottom and I found it easily attainable. Life is too short to set unattainable goals"- Nick Kulp
On Sunday, December 1, 2019, 09:06:37 PM EST, Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
I am trying to decrease the max speed on a loco with a? QSI, ver. 6. As discussed in the Comprehensive Programmer, I have set the Vstart to Zero and the Max Volts to One. On the Speed Table page "Use QSI Table or User table in CVs 67 through 94" is selected. The Quantum Speed Table is set to "User Defined Speed Table." Forward and Reverse Trim are both set to "128." No mater how low I drop the curve the locos maximum speed does NOT decrease.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Michael Boyle
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I just started DecoderPro on one of my computer terminals which is NOT connected to my layout (which, in any case, is turned off) and was surprised to see the following at the bottom of the page:
"Service Mode Programmer NCE Is Online ? ?? Operations Mode Programmer NCE Is Online"
Normally, when the NCE Controller is not turned on I get a message about not being connected.
What is going on?
Thanks,
Michael Boyle
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Marc,
Yes, I "Write Changes..." each time.
Dave,
I set Vstart to Zero. I could not set Vhigh to Zero so I set it to One. If I'm interpreting the "Gotchas" comment this should have minimized the effect on the Speed Table. But even with the Step 1 of the Speed Table at 1 and Step 28 at 10 (a low, linear line) the loco goes like a wild stallion.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Michael
PS: Always looking for your latest post. - MB
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Michael, On 2 Dec 2019, at 12:58 PM, Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
I am trying to decrease the max speed on a loco with a QSI, ver. 6. As discussed in the Comprehensive Programmer, I have set the Vstart to Zero and the Max Volts to One. On the Speed Table page "Use QSI Table or User table in CVs 67 through 94" is selected. The Quantum Speed Table is set to "User Defined Speed Table." Forward and Reverse Trim are both set to "128." No mater how low I drop the curve the locos maximum speed does NOT decrease.
What am I doing wrong? I think you'll find your QSI-specific answer here: <> Dave in Australia
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Jeff,
The warning will no longer appear as of the 4.17.7 test release.
Dave Sand
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From: Jeff_Rowe <jhrowe@...>
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Warning - Connectivities for "Block Bonton TT Spur 1" in panels Bonton and Bondale are not compatable
Date: Friday, November 29, 2019 2:59 PM
Hi Dave,
is this problem with turntable stub tracks going to be fixed? ? I also have a TT with 25 stub tracks on two different panels showing this connectivity problem using JMRI 4.16. ?Not sure your suggestion in post #162822 is appealing.
Thanks,
Jeff Rowe
O Scale Trainmaster, Golden State Model Railroad Museum,
Pt. Richmond CA
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Do you all know that Bachrus shut down last year?
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May sound dumb? but, once done,? you are doing a " Write Changes on Sheet " or " Write full Sheet "? so it all gets written to the decoder? I assume ?
Marc
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Michael,
IN JMRI the two items you mention are are covered over two panes.
The first has V start and V max with the option above to use these
instead of the speed table - select this option. V start is
normally set at about 32 this gives a reasonable start. Use V max
for the top speed.
Do not use the speed table option until you are totally OK with
these settings.
Gerry
On 2/12/2019 12:58 pm, Michael Boyle
wrote:
I am trying to decrease the max speed on a loco with a? QSI, ver.
6. As discussed in the Comprehensive Programmer, I have set the
Vstart to Zero and the Max Volts to One. On the Speed Table page
"Use QSI Table or User table in CVs 67 through 94" is selected.
The Quantum Speed Table is set to "User Defined Speed Table."
Forward and Reverse Trim are both set to "128." No mater how low I
drop the curve the locos maximum speed does NOT decrease.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Michael Boyle
--
Gerry Hopkins MMR #177 FNMRA
Great Northern Downunder
NMRA Australasian Region
Contest & AP Chairman
Web Administrator
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Unfortunately, the fellow operating Bachrus has retired I believe and shut the business down a couple of years ago. Other than a resale, I doubt there are any new ones available.? I believe the software to interface with JMRI? was done by someone in England involved with the SPROG units.
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I am trying to decrease the max speed on a loco with a? QSI, ver. 6. As discussed in the Comprehensive Programmer, I have set the Vstart to Zero and the Max Volts to One. On the Speed Table page "Use QSI Table or User table in CVs 67 through 94" is selected. The Quantum Speed Table is set to "User Defined Speed Table." Forward and Reverse Trim are both set to "128." No mater how low I drop the curve the locos maximum speed does NOT decrease.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Michael Boyle
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What is "Hysteresis"? Does this have anything to do with setting the TCS decoder momentum, brakes, etc to 0?
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I am looking to buy a 50 series reader and JMRI interface for the Bachrus Systems.?
If someone wants to sell or knows of where to buy please let me know
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On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:15 PM, forfoum@... wrote: Not sure which " Marc " this was directed at to but I will try and provide M2C worth.
The distance between sensors you must provided in scale feet (or scale cm) ?
You can have 2 instances of Speedometer running with different sensors, but only a single saved as DEFAULT.. There are no provisions for multple Speedometer configurations. A new Speedometer "default"? will simply overwrite the existing.
That is how I read it
Marc
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I've heard the same and you can see it sometimes on videos that prototype locos start slightly differently even the same type. So long as your locos don't fight each other with slipping wheels it is ok. Mine even though well matched, will push or pull each other as they start moving, but they don't spin wheels unless the train is too heavy or grade too steep, much as the prototype.
Mike Ruby
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