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As a newcomer to DNA matching, all I have to do is work out why I am here and how do I have a BigY match with a Mooney and a Moynihan (and a McCarthy). Sadly, my surname of Smith doesn’t lend itself to tracing ancestors too well. My kit number is B260169 and I have been placed in R-FTE72338. I’ll need to be guided by this group’s expertise. Thanks for any advice. Regards, - Greg Smith
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Comes from the middle east
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R1b-cts4466 branched from fgc11134 branched from rdf13 also known as rs521......Google it all over the middle east.....I'm new to this so possible wrong but that's what I could get when I googled it ....also have a look at my face book page post 'the oldest god'. Facebook name is John G O Donovan.
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I’m surprised that the FTDNA group page hasn’t commented yet on Lara M. Cassidy’s 2018 Thesis ‘ A Genomic Compendium of an Island ’. It was embargoed until this year, briefly released by Trinity College Dublin for less than a day before it was embargoed again until 2023. Unless I’m missing something it appears to blow a hole in CTS4466 origin theories? She identifies two separate remains as FGC11134 [she identifies them R1b1a1a2a1a2c1a3 ] - One in County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland carbon dated to 2349-2135 BCE - One in County Sligo, West of the Republic of Ireland carbon dated to 2015-1758 BCE Even though I have less than abundant faith in the date accuracy of carbon dating the further back one goes it surely suggest that: - CTS4466’s ancestors were in Ireland a lot longer ago than the FTDNA group had previously thought – 300 BCE-ish - It looks like a possible spread from North to West? If carbon dating was off by a few hundred years, then you only have to add a couple of hundred years to the estimated, once esteemed and now poo-pooed, date of the Milesian invasion being 1700 BCE [4 Masters date, although I’ve seen people say 1900-1500 BCE] rather than the currently popular 500-300 BCE range. Which would also give a reason for a “Munster” royal Y-DNA signature appearing in the north half of the island. Whoever Eremon and Eber signify presumably they would have had the same or very similar Y- DNA? Either way she concludes that “ (t)he predominance of L21 in Irish populations seen throughout time, or more specifically a sublineage of the haplogroup defined by the mutation DF13, strongly suggests male line continuity on the island over the past four millennia. Britain does not show such an obvious continuous trend ”
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Comes from the middle east
R1b-cts4466 branched from fgc11134 branched from rdf13 also known as rs521......Google it all over the middle east.....I'm new to this so possible wrong but that's what I could get when I googled it ....also have a look at my face book page post 'the oldest god'.
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First Pass of hs1 R-FGC11134 YDNA Tree Complete
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https://ydna-warehouse.org/tree?subclade=R1b-FGC11134 The tree structure now reflects the results of the joint genotyping run. The biggest changes are under the L270 Sullivans. The old structure has been discarded for the more strongly scoring one in this pass. Several new intermediate branches were found with the CP086569.2: prefix on the name, since as they are of course unnamed and I don't plan to do so. Over the next few weeks I'll be verifying the private branches that you can't see. Once that process is complete, I'll try restoring the age calculations. I expect everything to become perceptibly older but don't have a feel for how much yet. Once that's complete the "light blue" taxa nodes will be worked to see if additional branches can be identified. I've de-identified everyone use the warehouse's Taxon ID's. If you manage your own kit, you can go edit the Sample's information and change over to a FTDNA/YSEQ/etc kit# instead. If I manage it, it's probably time to transfer it to you should you want to see the FTDNA kit. :) CAVEAT: Do not run out to YSEQ and "Wish a SNP" on these. Consider these highly experimental until I have a few months to get through the entire YDNA tree to see if there are areas that should never be include. Thanks to everyone who provided the raw data to make this all possible in the first place! If you missed this round, I'll probably be doing the next round in early summer. James Kane
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-- When Will you Include SNP Testers without Big-Y?
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Hi James— Great work you are doing, but some of us don't need to pay for Big-Y since we leapfrogged directly to SNP panels. That is my case, I have a Y-Seq test that takes me down to A6507, possibly revising to A6506 as testing progresses. Either way it traces to Castletown Beara, so I'm firmly CTS4166 and would like to show as that so others can find me. Do you have any plans to move beyond STR to SNP. Isn't that the more precise method in any case, since STR seem to bounce around quite a bit in subclades? Also, what about Autosomal, which has yielded many great results for me on Ancestry, with 4 separate populations of cousins from 4 grandparents. In any case, happy new year from Santa Fe, NM. Please include my MSN address copied here in any response, as the email I use daily unlike Gmail. Regards, Mark E. Dunham (Bio-Sullivan) Organizer & Volunteer 505-795-0199
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Seeking A159 Subclade Members from Beara Peninsula
Hola All-- I neglected to fill out a profile on this site until just now, but am seeking A159--- A6506/7/8 cousins from Beara Peninsula. Sullivan and Fenton are the family names from circa 1850 and the Potato Famine migrations. You can read more at my profile, which is now filled out. Hope to hear back from some close Y cousins!
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R1b-CTS4466+ BAM Tracker Updated
R1b-CTS4466+ BAM Tracker I've added a 'Tree-Premilinary-Pass' tab to this sheet and will be making some updates over the next couple days, but if you're interested in an "uncooked" version of the Joint Genotyping results you can find them there. There are about 100 non-FGC11134 men in here that are acting as an outgroup and preventing some oddities in Big Y from clustering away from the normal WGS results. If Column A does not start with R1b and Column F doesn't have a name, it's potentially a new branch unique to hs1's coordinates. The sheet will be updated with the FTDNA kit#s and regrouped by their subclade probably this weekend unless I see a need to go back and rerun the tree inference again. Anything that the A0-T man, HG02984, is derived for will be tossed in the end. Otherwise, it looks like the age of some subclades is going to get pushed back with more equivalent SNPs. Any questions or concerns, feel free to reach out. James
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Last Call - Window Closes Dec 30th @ 12:59PM CST Re: Request for BAM Files for Realignment and Joint Genotyping
Please refer to the linked workbook. R1b-CTS4466+ BAM Tracker I have updated the tracker to consolidate some information on the FTDNA tab and added a "hs1 Complete?" column, which indicates that all Y DNA reads from any test have been merged into a single CRAM file, maximizing covered regions for joint genotyping. This file will be used to call the entire group in a single pass for every SNP found in any sample. The joint calling process is scheduled to begin on New Year's Eve morning. Thank you, James
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New R1b-CTS4466 View & Features at YDNA Warehouse
Merry Post-Christmas, I'm excited to announce a new view and features for the CTS4466 test data collected at YDNA-Warehouse with the launch of the Study system. For project members: Enhanced Data Visibility: Easily see which kits are in the warehouse and which test files have been uploaded. Access STR Chart data for Big Y Panels 6 and 7, currently unavailable from FTDNA. Download this data as a CSV file if desired. Utilize the internal mail system to contact close SNP matches tested outside of FTDNA. (Note: This feature requires the original warehouse submitter to have re-registered.) Customized Data Display: Control which data fields are displayed in the chart on the Studies tab: "Show Test Kits": Display your kit numbers at various labs (default: off). "Details": Show additional information about your most distant known paternal ancestor. "Show MDKA Origin": Display or hide the country of origin. "Show MDKA Birth Year": Display or hide the birth year. Note: Publicly turning on these options will make them visible to everyone on the Internet. The same experience as with FTDNA's projects. For project admins: Enhanced Project Management: Access the "Actions" drop-down menu: View SNPs: Generate a "Shared SNP" report for the participant. Move to Subgroup: Move participants to a different subgroup (note: everyone starts at their terminal SNP). Remove Member: Remove a member from the study. Contact Member: Use the internal mail system to contact them. View CRAM (disabled currently): View data in BAM submissions after realignment (coming soon). Investigator Settings: Update displayed fields on the Studies list. Update Membership Criteria: Access the Rules Engine to define study visibility. Add additional investigators to the Study (system admin only). Important Note: Participation in this site is entirely voluntary. If you're satisfied with FTDNA's Projects, please continue using their platform. This is an alternative that aims to address some of their perceived shortcomings. Thank you to all participants and those who have shared their data for this project. Sincerely, James Kane
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Free BAM? Hi James, I do not see my kit 539013 Frank Cashman on the excel file you provided. I have granted you advanced access. I'm not sure whether or not I'm due a free BAM. Let me know how I can help? Thanks, Barb Francis On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 8:20 AM James Kane via groups.io <jkane@...> wrote: I have created a Google Sheet to track this effort. You can check the status of a Big Y kit in the R1b-CTS4466+ Project, if you are due a free BAM from FTDNA, and if I have a copy analyzed already. The "Archive Prefix" column indicates I have retrieved a fresh BAM copy since 2024-11-26. The "BAM(s) Analyzed" are the tests I already have/had processed for this effort. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lSZjHby-vS5Qf4PGpWyd3xEmqPLw41W9Vg8utzHi7gY/edit?usp=sharing As always let me know if there are questions or concerns. Thanks, James
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Deadline Approaching - Dec 30, 2024 Re: Request for BAM Files for Realignment and Joint Genotyping
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There are ten days remaining on the collection round. Other than the last two received, everyone is I have is updated in the tracker sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lSZjHby-vS5Qf4PGpWyd3xEmqPLw41W9Vg8utzHi7gY/edit?usp=sharing If you miss the bus, it will be summer 2025 before there is another opportunity at the soonest. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. James Kane
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R1b-CTS4466+ BAM Tracker Re: Request for BAM Files for Realignment and Joint Genotyping
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I have created a Google Sheet to track this effort. You can check the status of a Big Y kit in the R1b-CTS4466+ Project, if you are due a free BAM from FTDNA, and if I have a copy analyzed already. The "Archive Prefix" column indicates I have retrieved a fresh BAM copy since 2024-11-26. The "BAM(s) Analyzed" are the tests I already have/had processed for this effort. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lSZjHby-vS5Qf4PGpWyd3xEmqPLw41W9Vg8utzHi7gY/edit?usp=sharing As always let me know if there are questions or concerns. Thanks, James
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Hello folks, I am preparing a new set of joint call files for the R1b-CTS4466 subclade and its parent R1b-FGC11134 subclade. To achieve this, I need to collect BAM files from individuals who have taken the Big Y test. If you have granted me Advanced access via GAP (Group Access Program), you already have a BAM file available for use. However, if you have not done so and have purchased your Big Y BAM test results, please take the following steps: **NOTE** Do not construe this as a request to make a purchase for something you don't already own. The BAMs are a nice to have for your own data portability not a necessity. Option 1: Update Project Preferences Update your FTDNA account preferences to allow me, James Kane, Advanced access to your kit's profile. See this FTDNA knowledge article for how: https://help.familytreedna.com/hc/en-us/articles/4401855065743-Setting-Project-Preferences#group-project-administrator-access-0-0 Option 2: Create an Account on YDNA-Warehouse.org Alternatively, you can create an account on YDNA-Warehouse.org and add the Big Y test results. Several explanation videos are available here: https://ydna-warehouse.org/submit.php What Happens to Your Data? Once I have received your BAM file, it will be realigned using BWA MEM and used to generate new SNP and INDEL calls. The data will also contribute to an update of the maximum likelihood tree with branch age estimates published with a Creative Commons license. If you have any questions or concerns about participating in this study, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you for your consideration! James Kane EDITED FOR CLARIFICATION
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FtDNA Project
Hi James, Thank you for this massive project you are doing! I manage Kit 977130. Advanced perms were given to you. I also did not have the option to download the BAM file, but I did upload the VCF Big Y on ydna warehouse. Hope this helps!
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Account access and BAM files
James, I manage three files at FTDNA, Philip Millar: Kit No. B654981 , James Millar: Kit No. SI14537 and Jonathan Millar: Kit No. SI15654, access to those accounts have been set to 'Advanced', also, James and I are at the DNA Warehouse - I haven't got round to uploading Jono's file yet - do you have access to our info or do I need to do something else to help you? James, we're all A212s, I don't know if that is within the parameters of your current endeavor, if our info is, I hope it helps you. James, if I need to do anything else, for you to access our files, then just let me know. Slan go foill Phil
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Success stories
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Hello cousins! Does anyone in the group have success stories to share, whether in the y line or aDNA? It might inspire some upgrades that could help the group :). For me, and I am American for context, my father's family always identified as Irish Catholic but with a surname that seemed at odds (Adams). Indepedent of DNA testing, via research and family lore, I found cousins in Armagh who said we were Quakers who converted to Catholicism in the late 18th century. Via DNA, I found a Scottish origin between the 1100s and 1200s, centered around Renfrewshire. Via this group's research, I suspect an early medieval Irish Gaelic origin, possibly from the Cianachta. On other lines, I sorted between two 18th century Campbell lines in colonial Virginia, found an ancestral "Indian princess" US line and found my wife's unexpected Jamaican African roots. Anyone else have useful revelations to share?
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Y500 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name
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I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name. I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request. Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name? Regards, David J. Ring, Jr. Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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Hi folks, I’ve rewritten most of the tree viewer for YDNA Warehouse to make it load faster and include more information. It can actually render FTDNA’s full tree from A to the leaves in 5 seconds without the kits on my test machine… unfortunately they don’t allow for reuse of their information for non-private use though. In the extract of R-A804 below, you can see the sample donor box has been reworked to separate the MDKA’s surname and year of birth when provided. The type of test with the most coverage available is noted in the upper right hand corner. If the sample has a blue background instead of gold, it’s a VCF/BED submission instead of BAM file. It’s the samples with the gold backgrounds that are the basis of the TMRCA calculations. Red background samples are Ancient DNA but not all of those have been marked correctly yet. Finally, the indigo background samples are for folks from 23&Me, AncestryDNA, etc... The circled box which is referred to as the Taxa ID will become customizable in the near future. You will be able to select your FTDNA/FGC/YSEQ/etc kit for this purpose. I’m also considering allowing it to be used for other indicators like holders of verified royal titles. That would be a more manual process for verification purposes however. The long standing “bug” when you hit enter after typing in the Search by Branch or SNP has been addressed and works to reload the tree based one the search instead of needing to use the Tab key. Phylogenetic Tree ydna-warehouse.org As always if you would like to be included in this tree, your raw data needs to be uploaded. Should you need assistance reach out. Thanks, James Kane
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Y700 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name
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I knew from family notes that my male ancestors were Ryan. I was told it was originally O'Ryan and anglicized to Ryan and from there to Ring. I always loved Munster cheese. So now I know why. I have not found any explanations of the results pages of the Y700 results, so I'm poking around and looking without any guide. Regards, DR Regards, David
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