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I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.?
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.?
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Regards,?
David J. Ring, Jr.? Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.?
Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines.
If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname.
What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.?
?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018)
Lucas McCaw
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. < n1ea@...> wrote: I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.?
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.?
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Regards,?
David J. Ring, Jr.? Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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David,
You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances
it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium
and many other surnames have been derived since then.?
The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring.
Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
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FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.?
Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines.
If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname.
What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.?
?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018)
Lucas McCaw
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. < n1ea@...> wrote:
I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.?
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.?
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Regards,?
David J. Ring, Jr.?
Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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Hi guys,
I have replied directly to David because Ring (at least in East Cork) is supposedly associated with the Uí Liatháin and presumably A151+. But I haven't found any yet ?.
David has a terminal SNP shared with another gentleman with a different surname and FTDNA suggests this SNP occurred around 1600 CE. What their surname was before is a matter for speculation but it is with noting that Munster was a cockpit during the Desmond Rebellions in the 16th century where the English adopted a scorched earth policy and deliberately targetted civilians. Plenty of reasons for isolated individuals to associate with larger groups and perhaps adopt their surname?
John.
David,
You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances
it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium
and many other surnames have been derived since then.?
The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring.
Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.?
Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines.
If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname.
What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.?
?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018)
Lucas McCaw
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. < n1ea@...> wrote:
I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.?
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.?
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Regards,?
David J. Ring, Jr.?
Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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John,
My great great grandfather was Michael Augustus Ring Sr. who was born
on 29 September 1808 in Mallow, County Cork, Ireland, immigrated to
the USA and died in South Boston on 26 February 1876. From some
records, I gather his father was named "David" and his mother was
named "Mary" but it's there that my trail goes dead.
If you have the contact information with the other gentlemen with the
same terminal SNP, perhaps you could contact him, and we might be able
to provide each other with useful information.
Regards,
David
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:00?AM john brazil <johnkbrazil@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
I have replied directly to David because Ring (at least in East Cork) is supposedly associated with the Uí Liatháin and presumably A151+. But I haven't found any yet ?.
David has a terminal SNP shared with another gentleman with a different surname and FTDNA suggests this SNP occurred around 1600 CE. What their surname was before is a matter for speculation but it is with noting that Munster was a cockpit during the Desmond Rebellions in the 16th century where the English adopted a scorched earth policy and deliberately targetted civilians. Plenty of reasons for isolated individuals to associate with larger groups and perhaps adopt their surname?
John.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 2:58?PM Nigel McCarthy <ndmccarthy10@...> wrote:
David,
You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium and many other surnames have been derived since then.
The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring.
Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Lucas McCaw <lucasmccaw@...>
Sent: 03 April 2024 14:45
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] Y500 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.
Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines.
If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname.
What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.
(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018)
Lucas McCaw
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote:
I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Regards,
David J. Ring, Jr.
Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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David,
I'll forward your email address to your SNP match and ask him to contact you.?
All the best,?
John.?
On Wed 3 Apr 2024, 17:27 D.J.J. Ring, Jr., < n1ea@...> wrote: John,
My great great grandfather was Michael Augustus Ring Sr. who was born
on 29 September 1808 in Mallow, County Cork, Ireland, immigrated to
the USA and died in South Boston on 26 February 1876. From some
records, I gather his father was named "David" and his mother was
named "Mary" but it's there that my trail goes dead.
If you have the contact information with the other gentlemen with the
same terminal SNP, perhaps you could contact him, and we might be able
to provide each other with useful information.
Regards,
David
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:00?AM john brazil <johnkbrazil@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
I have replied directly to David because Ring (at least in East Cork) is supposedly associated with the Uí Liatháin and presumably A151+. But I haven't found any yet ?.
David has a terminal SNP shared with another gentleman with a different surname and FTDNA suggests this SNP occurred around 1600 CE. What their surname was before is a matter for speculation but it is with noting that Munster was a cockpit during the Desmond Rebellions in the 16th century where the English adopted a scorched earth policy and deliberately targetted civilians. Plenty of reasons for isolated individuals to associate with larger groups and perhaps adopt their surname?
John.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 2:58?PM Nigel McCarthy <ndmccarthy10@...> wrote:
David,
You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium and many other surnames have been derived since then.
The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring.
Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Lucas McCaw <lucasmccaw@...>
Sent: 03 April 2024 14:45
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] Y500 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.
Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines.
If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname.
What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.
(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018)
Lucas McCaw
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote:
I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Regards,
David J. Ring, Jr.
Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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Hello, David. ? Carrying on from Nigel’s points, the Wren he refers to is actually an STR match with you at 111 markers.? He has only tested the CTS4466 SNP Pack (eight years ago) and is currently assigned to A726, upstream from you.? If he updated his SNP testing to the Big Y, it’s quite possible you two would match.? According to Patrick Woulfe - - Wren and Ring do indeed originate from O'Rinn. ? I recommend you browse through all the different links from your Dashboard to become familiar with them.? You can click on a match name and get a pop-up box with additional details about the person, including their email address. I caution that if you click the little Time Predictor icon ( ) to the right of a person’s name in the Y-DNA matches link, you will see that both Wren and your SNP match are predicted to have a common ancestor with you around 1450-1500 AD, which is long before you could ever find a paper trail of relationship in Ireland. However, it does confirm the affiliation of surnames from O'Rinn, which I always find fascinating.? ? I see you have already joined the Munster Irish project before I could suggest you do so…I’ve placed you in the ‘Uí Liatháin - A - CTS4466’ group there. ? I might take this opportunity to remind any of you on the Forum that if you have Munster origins, you may be eligible to join that project as well - .? ? Elizabeth ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Nigel McCarthy
Sent: 03 April 2024 14:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] Y500 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name? You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium and many other surnames have been derived since then.? The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring. Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.? Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines. If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname. What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.? ?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018) ? On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote: I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.? I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.? Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name? Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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same here no one with my last name in any of my Y700 results
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David,
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover report at FT DNA).
Another way to create surname level branching is to use traditional genealogy to identify males who should be related to you as per documentation. Have them do a Y37 test to confirm they match then upgrade to Big Y.
Continuing this process as well as recruiting other Y37-111 matches can help to create a very detailed genetic tree composed of surname era branches/haplogroups. It generally doesn't happen if you just wait for others to do the work on their own.
Lucas McCaw?
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same here no one with my last name in any of my Y700 results
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Elizabeth?
I am the individual who shares a terminal SNP with David Ring and also a member of the Munster Irish. In an email September 2022, Niglel identifies my DNA?as Eochanacht Raithlinn, then Cenel nAedha. I see you have placed David as Ui Liathain. I am confused as to how this is possible.
On Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 2:46 PM, Elizabeth <elizabeth@...> wrote: Hello, David. ? Carrying on from Nigel’s points, the Wren he refers to is actually an STR match with you at 111 markers.? He has only tested the CTS4466 SNP Pack (eight years ago) and is currently assigned to A726, upstream from you.? If he updated his SNP testing to the Big Y, it’s quite possible you two would match.? According to Patrick Woulfe - - Wren and Ring do indeed originate from O'Rinn. ? I recommend you browse through all the different links from your Dashboard to become familiar with them.? You can click on a match name and get a pop-up box with additional details about the person, including their email address. I caution that if you click the little Time Predictor icon ( ) to the right of a person’s name in the Y-DNA matches link, you will see that both Wren and your SNP match are predicted to have a common ancestor with you around 1450-1500 AD, which is long before you could ever find a paper trail of relationship in Ireland. However, it does confirm the affiliation of surnames from O'Rinn, which I always find fascinating.? ? I see you have already joined the Munster Irish project before I could suggest you do so…I’ve placed you in the ‘Uí Liatháin - A - CTS4466’ group there. ? I might take this opportunity to remind any of you on the Forum that if you have Munster origins, you may be eligible to join that project as well - .? ? Elizabeth ? ? ? You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium and many other surnames have been derived since then.? The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring. Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.? Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines. If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname. What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.? ?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018) ? On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote: I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.? I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.? Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name? Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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Hello, John. ? Thanks for joining the discussion. ? I see you joined the Munster Irish just last week!? I can’t speak for Nigel, but my records indicate Ready/Reidy/O Riada is a Dalcassian name, numerous in Clare and Kerry - (among other sources).? ??Unless different sources indicate otherwise, I am compelled to place you in the ‘Dál gCais - A - CTS4466’ group in the project.? Though it is known the chiefly Dál gCais line is L226, there are a considerable number of families found in CTS4466 as well. ? In either case, that does not bring you closer to the Uí Liatháin designation for David. ?As I pointed out, your common ancestor with David is around 1450-1500 AD, which would have post-dated the fluorescence of any of the tribes.? How your ancestors/surnames shifted and intertwined beyond those tribal groupings is difficult to say.? For what it’s worth, the Ryan/ ? Maoilriaghain surname Nigel indicated is on a brother branch with you and David and is not associated with any of the tribes mentioned here… ? These are the puzzlements that make this pursuit so interesting. ? Elizabeth ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jready8102@... via groups.io
Sent: 04 April 2024 20:07
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] Y500 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name? Elizabeth? I am the individual who shares a terminal SNP with David Ring and also a member of the Munster Irish. In an email September 2022, Niglel identifies my DNA?as Eochanacht Raithlinn, then Cenel nAedha. I see you have placed David as Ui Liathain. I am confused as to how this is possible. John C Ready Jr ? On Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 2:46 PM, Elizabeth <elizabeth@...> wrote: Hello, David. ? Carrying on from Nigel’s points, the Wren he refers to is actually an STR match with you at 111 markers.? He has only tested the CTS4466 SNP Pack (eight years ago) and is currently assigned to A726, upstream from you.? If he updated his SNP testing to the Big Y, it’s quite possible you two would match.? According to Patrick Woulfe - - Wren and Ring do indeed originate from O'Rinn. ? I recommend you browse through all the different links from your Dashboard to become familiar with them.? You can click on a match name and get a pop-up box with additional details about the person, including their email address. I caution that if you click the little Time Predictor icon ( ) to the right of a person’s name in the Y-DNA matches link, you will see that both Wren and your SNP match are predicted to have a common ancestor with you around 1450-1500 AD, which is long before you could ever find a paper trail of relationship in Ireland. However, it does confirm the affiliation of surnames from O'Rinn, which I always find fascinating.? ? I see you have already joined the Munster Irish project before I could suggest you do so…I’ve placed you in the ‘Uí Liatháin - A - CTS4466’ group there. ? I might take this opportunity to remind any of you on the Forum that if you have Munster origins, you may be eligible to join that project as well - .? ? Elizabeth ? ? ? You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium and many other surnames have been derived since then.? The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring. Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.? Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines. If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname. What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.? ?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018) ? On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote: I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.? I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.? Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name? Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
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Lucas,
I feel like I am in a room where others are making sense of what I cannot.
I don't understand:
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your
surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from
the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover
report at FT DNA).
Mark Anthony Ring
FAMILY FINDER
MTFULL SEQUENCE
BIG Y-700
Y-DNA111
Markers Tested
1 to 700
Genetic Distance
6 steps
Link on Family Tree
Big Y STR Differences
18 of 685
Y Haplogroup
R-FT270724
Paternal Country of Origin
Ireland
Paternal Earliest Known Ancestor
John Joseph Ring 1829
Thanks,
David
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 11:46?AM Lucas McCaw <lucasmccaw@...> wrote:
David,
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover report at FT DNA).
Another way to create surname level branching is to use traditional genealogy to identify males who should be related to you as per documentation. Have them do a Y37 test to confirm they match then upgrade to Big Y.
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David, ? Mark Anthony Ring is from a different branch of Ring. The common ancestor was a man with R-FGC29280 as his terminal SNP sometime maybe just after 650CE. There are a lot of men here more closely related to you than him. ? Paul O’Donnell ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Sent: Friday, 5 April 2024 3:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] Y500 With Zero People with Father's or Mother's Maiden Last Name? Lucas,
I feel like I am in a room where others are making sense of what I cannot.
I don't understand:
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your
surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from
the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover
report at FT DNA).
Mark Anthony Ring
FAMILY FINDER
MTFULL SEQUENCE
BIG Y-700
Y-DNA111
Markers Tested
1 to 700
Genetic Distance
6 steps
Link on Family Tree
Big Y STR Differences
18 of 685
Y Haplogroup
R-FT270724
Paternal Country of Origin
Ireland
Paternal Earliest Known Ancestor
John Joseph Ring 1829
Thanks,
David
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 11:46?AM Lucas McCaw <lucasmccaw@...> wrote:
David,
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover report at FT DNA).
Another way to create surname level branching is to use traditional genealogy to identify males who should be related to you as per documentation. Have them do a Y37 test to confirm they match then upgrade to Big Y.
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This isn’t at all uncommon to find. ?As far as I can tell, every single K(e)ane who is R-CTS4466 is also a different SNP branch.
Irish history is turbulent!
James
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On Apr 5, 2024, at 4:29?AM, Paul O'Donnell via groups.io <absentplodder@...> wrote:
David, ? Mark Anthony Ring is from a different branch of Ring. The common ancestor was a man with R-FGC29280 as his terminal SNP sometime maybe just after 650CE. There are a lot of men here more closely related to you than him. ? Paul O’Donnell ? ? Lucas, I feel like I am in a room where others are making sense of what I cannot. I don't understand: That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover report at FT DNA). Mark Anthony Ring FAMILY FINDER MTFULL SEQUENCE BIG Y-700 Y-DNA111 Markers Tested 1 to 700 Genetic Distance 6 steps Link on Family Tree Big Y STR Differences 18 of 685 Y Haplogroup R-FT270724 Paternal Country of Origin Ireland Paternal Earliest Known Ancestor John Joseph Ring 1829 Thanks, David On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 11:46?AM Lucas McCaw < lucasmccaw@...> wrote:
David,
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover report at FT DNA).
Another way to create surname level branching is to use traditional genealogy to identify males who should be related to you as per documentation. Have them do a Y37 test to confirm they match then upgrade to Big Y.
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Hi James,
I must say you have done excellent work on the warehouse, speed and options are much improved. ?congratulations?
Surnames are our biggest conundrum ever since they came to being, like forever. ?They are impossible without written documentation.
Best Regards,
Ron
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This isn’t at all uncommon to find. ?As far as I can tell, every single K(e)ane who is R-CTS4466 is also a different SNP branch.
Irish history is turbulent!
James
On Apr 5, 2024, at 4:29?AM, Paul O'Donnell via groups.io <absentplodder@...> wrote:
David,
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Mark Anthony Ring is from a different branch of Ring.
The common ancestor was a man with R-FGC29280 as his terminal SNP sometime maybe just after 650CE.
There are a lot of men here more closely related to you than him.
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Paul O’Donnell
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Lucas,
I feel like I am in a room where others are making sense of what I cannot.
I don't understand:
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your
surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from
the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover
report at FT DNA).
Mark Anthony Ring
FAMILY FINDER
MTFULL SEQUENCE
BIG Y-700
Y-DNA111
Markers Tested
1 to 700
Genetic Distance
6 steps
Link on Family Tree
Big Y STR Differences
18 of 685
Y Haplogroup
R-FT270724
Paternal Country of Origin
Ireland
Paternal Earliest Known Ancestor
John Joseph Ring 1829
Thanks,
David
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 11:46?AM Lucas McCaw < lucasmccaw@...> wrote:
David,
That's standard if you haven't recruited any Y DNA matches with your surname to go Big Y testing. It just means that your branch is from the pre-surname period (whuv you can confirm by using the Discover report at FT DNA).
Another way to create surname level branching is to use traditional genealogy to identify males who should be related to you as per documentation. Have them do a Y37 test to confirm they match then upgrade to Big Y.
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D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Ron McRaney