Hello, David.
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Carrying on from Nigel’s points, the Wren he refers to is actually an STR match with you at 111 markers.? He has only tested the CTS4466 SNP Pack (eight years ago) and is currently assigned to A726, upstream from you.? If he updated his SNP testing to the Big Y, it’s quite possible you two would match.? According to Patrick Woulfe - - Wren and Ring do
indeed originate from O'Rinn.
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I recommend you browse through all the different links from your Dashboard to become familiar with them.? You can click on a match name and get a pop-up box with additional details about the person, including their email address. I caution that if you click the little Time Predictor icon ( ) to the right of a person’s name in the Y-DNA matches link, you will see that both Wren and your SNP match are predicted to have a common ancestor with you around 1450-1500 AD, which is long before you could ever find a paper trail of relationship in Ireland. However, it does confirm the affiliation of surnames from O'Rinn, which I always find fascinating.?
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I see you have already joined the Munster Irish project before I could suggest you do so…I’ve placed you in the ‘Uí Liatháin - A - CTS4466’ group there.
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I might take this opportunity to remind any of you on the Forum that if you have Munster origins, you may be eligible to join that project as well - .?
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Elizabeth
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You are on a branch of the Irish Type II (R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project) tree inhabited by a Wren (excuse the pun) and some Ryans. It may be argued that Wren and Ring derive from the same Irish origin (Rinn). Ryan is a more common name, but found in these circumstances it can easily be imagined as corrupted from Rinn / Ring without the need to suppose an NPE. We also have the spelling Rynne in the same principal branch of the tree although his ancestry will probably have parted ways with yours in the late first millennium and many other surnames have been derived since then.?
The name is associated with East Cork, which was of course the home of its most famous owner, the Cork hurler Christy Ring.
Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy
FT DNA has very strict protocols for dealing with samples and have never heard of any errrs/mixups. It's got nothing to do this that.?
Realize that Y DNA results can go back well before surnames existed (generally beforecthe 1400s or so). It is very common to see other surnames, whether due to NPEs or pre-surname ancestral lines.
If you are the only male in your line in the last 600-700 years who has tested them you WILL be the only one with your surname.
What is your haplogroup designation? That will tell us what the age of your branch is.?
?(you say Y700 in your email but Y500 on the subject line... I'm assuming? you mean Y700 since Y500 was discontinued at the end of 2018)
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 7:25 a.m. D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote:
I have reached our by FTDNA by email asking them if perhaps some error was made with my Big Y 700 test because there is not one person in the results who is in my family?history, nor anyone with my father's last name, nor my mother's birth name.?
I've received no response except for an acknowledgement of my request.?
Is it unusual to have zero results with my last name?
Great Grandson of David A. Ring of Cork, Ireland.
D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
