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Just sending this to see if it is working OK. Elizabeth

How do I post a Big Y-700 file here? Evan Bush

Hey cousins! An idea I wanted to bounce off of you: the Gangani (which may be the same as the Concani) as an early tribal group of which a CTS4466+ man may have been part. http://sites.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire200.htm has a map showing the Gangani in North Munster and mentions that this group also had settlement in N. Wales. CTS4466 has an early branch in Wales (or perhaps origin) and the timing of 200 AD is not too far off (perhaps within a few centuries) from the A212, A541, and A663 split. The Eoganacht seem to have an earlier origin in North Munster and then spread south and west, so an origin in N. Munster is roughly compatible with historically known migrations. Has a regional pattern been ascertained for the Welsh CTS4466+? Additionally, there was a Concani group in Northern Spain. While I don't think that CTS4466 has a Spanish origin, this may have influenced early scribes (bards?) to posit that it was the same tribe or had a common origin with the Spanish group, possibly influencing Milesian legends.

Hello, Joe. You have successfully sent a message, so maybe it isn’t as difficult as you thought. If you go to the website - /g/R1b-CTS4466-Plus - you can look through all the links available. On the left column, there is choice for a ‘New Topic’. You can also send a note via the [email protected] email address of the group. I’m glad you’ve gotten it started. Happy New Year Everyone! Elizabeth

Hello, All. A few of you have expressed frustration with understanding how this new forum works. It really is much the same as the Yahoo one. To start a new topic, either go to the website - /g/R1b-CTS4466-Plus - and click the New Topic link for a new email or reply to an existing email and change the Subject to what you want to discuss. We'll all get used to it. Again - Happy New Year! Elizabeth

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Dustin, I uploaded an unfinished article on “Possible A541 haplogroup phylogenetic alignments with genealogies of descent from Oilioll Olum” to the McCarthy Wordpress website a couple of years ago. I hope to supersede it this Spring, rewriting and completing it! Towards the end of it there is a first millennium tree (Fig. 3) built largely from an ancient document known as Rawlinson B502, though it includes contributions from several other such documents. There is then a provisional overlay of the Irish Type II genetic tree to give a best fit. Don’t take any of this as gospel, and I will be making revisions when I update it, especially to the subclades of SNP A159. Even if these genealogies are to be believed (and the successful alignments suggest to me many should be) I strongly suspect there are several generations missing prior to Conall Corc, or the purported dates relating to the deaths pf Oilioll Olum and his son, and birth of his grandson (all in a semi-mythical age anyway) would imply unlikely longevity of succeeding generations. (There are of course other ifs and buts). A few extra generations would afford some better alignment still. As Fig 3 stands you can see why O’Moriarty (from Muircheartach) does not quite align. It seems this was quite a common name and as I suggested for the Sheehans, it could be that the scribes of the 9th – 11th centuries incorrectly allocated Muircheartach’s ancestry, although rightly among the progeny of Conall Corc. There are always several explanations why attempted alignments might not fit, but what I find remarkable is that so much does. Here for example you see on Fig. 3 a shared origin for O’Moriarty and O’Carroll (a surname which quite certainly has many sources), and you will see Carrolls quite close to Moriartys on the tree (and even closer if there are truly Moriartys who are BY2880+ but FGC17180-). And the O’Laoi (Lee, Leahy) fit perfectly with the current scheme. I’m sure we’ll never be able to say with certainty that “This is how it was” but review of the possibilities makes for an interesting pastime! Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy Administrator, McCarthy Surname Study Administrator, R Z16526 and Subclades Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mccarthy-surname-study/about/background https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-p314/about/background (for R Z16526 and Subclades Project) https://mccarthydna.wordpress.com (for material which cannot be accommodated on FTDNA-hosted sites)

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /McCarthy Group A and IT2 Phylogenetic Tree (2020-01-13).pdf Uploaded By: Nigel McCarthy <ndmccarthy10@...> Description: Sheet 12 and FGC29768 subclade on Sheet 9 brought up to date. Only major updating of remainder of Sheet 9 now outstanding. A wealth of Big Y information cannot be revealed as participants have not provided me with the requested authorisation to show 'guarded data' such as FTDNA Panels 6 and 7 STR mutations determined from data extracted from Big Y tests. No further updating of this tree is anticipated beyond January 2020. Cheers, The 开云体育 Team

Hello, Everyone. Just a heads-up...I finally managed to reorganize the Results spreadsheet to match Family Tree's order (phew!). It still needs proofing, and if anyone sees anything amiss, please let me know. Joe will help with updating the Background page next. I will load a chart of the whole tree soon, and then we need to update the Results page. Making progress! Elizabeth

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /McCarthy Group A and IT2 Phylogenetic Tree (2020-01-23).pdf Uploaded By: Nigel McCarthy <ndmccarthy10@...> Description: Sheet 9 brought up to date. This completes the sheet by sheet updating of the tree begun in September 2019. A wealth of Big Y information cannot be revealed as participants have not provided me with the requested authorisation to show 'guarded data' such as FTDNA Panels 6 and 7 STR mutations determined from data extracted from Big Y tests. One further 'cosmetic' update of the overall tree - not intended for the development of individual genealogies - will be made (subject to the identification of any obvious errata) before it is 'retired' and left on this site ONLY for posterity . Cheers, The 开云体育 Team

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /CTS4466 tree 26-1-20.xlsx Uploaded By: Elizabeth <elizabethod@...> Description: The CTS4466 haplotree, current on 26-1-20 Cheers, The 开云体育 Team

Hello, Everyone. Well, my email to the project has certainly produced results! Over twenty people have joined the forum since it was sent out. Welcome! You will have been notified that I’ve uploaded my tree. (You most recent joins may not have gotten it, but you can see it in the list of Messages on the forum itself.) I have already discovered a few issues, thanks to Nigel, so it will be reloaded at some point soon. I also forgot to add that the uncoloured SNPs either have no one at that level or are not represented in the project. Those I’ve found have been invited to join, but if any of you are in a neighbouring branch and know of someone who isn’t yet in the project, please do ask them to join if you contact them. Also, there are several SNPs in italics. These represent branches Nigel/James identified when comparing results from other testing companies with Family Tree’s data. Going forward, this may not be possible anymore, since I don’t have the skills to do this myself. If anyone else does, let me know!!! I’m not sure how long this tree will be current… We have over 20 Big Y results still outstanding, though some will be upgrades from Y-500 to Y-700 where the chance of finding a new branch is a bit smaller. And one more thing – the first email you send to the group is held for review, I gather to check for possible spam, since I couldn’t see a way to turn off that function. So if it takes a bit to get posted, not to worry. I OK direct posting after that. Thanks to all of you for joining us here. Remember that you are able to upload files/images you feel would be useful to the group. To a fruitful year! Elizabeth

Espen and readers of this group e-mail: I am resending the message I sent earlier today as a few words went walkabout at key places! You may have submitted your BAM file to the Y-DNA Warehouse for the use of James Kane and Alex Williamson. However I have also used these on occasion for look-up purposes, checking for possibilities not (clearly) identifiable through the VCF folder or other facilities FTDNA provides. Alex works with the .vcf files but I believe he also uses BAM files in the same way. Several key SNPs have been discovered this way. As I am bringing my analytical work for the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project to a close, but refocusing on the McCarthy Study, I will only benefit from access to these in future where a non-McCarthy shares a ‘terminal’ subclade with a McCarthy or in the preparation of texts I hope to update. However they will be useful to anyone analysing data for the R1b-CTS4466 Plus project. Administrators / Co-Administrators can only access your BAM file if either You e-mail them your account Password, or You e-mail them your Share BAM link (after first ‘Generating the BAM’ – see below*), or You give them Advanced (rather than Minimum or Limited) Access to your FTDNA account (c) has been my preferred way of operating in the past year or two. Here is how to do it: 1. Log into your FTDNA account with your kit number and Password.2. Navigate to Project Preferences following the path myProjects > MANAGE PROJECTS > Project Preferences.3. In the Group Project Administrator Access table click on the Edit (pencil) symbol in the Actions column for the relevant Project.4. In the next window scroll down to Access Level Settings table and click on the downward pointing arrow at the far right of the line for the (Co-) Administrator whose access level you want to change.5. Select the new level (‘Advanced’).6. Click on ACCEPT PROJECT PREFERENCES at the bottom of the screen.7. Click on Confirm in the window that pops up and you are done. * Click on the blue Download Raw Data tab after opening the Results file in the Big Y section of your FTDNA account. Then, if the BAM is not ready to download or share, click on the green Generate BAM which appears in the next screen. Come out of your account then go back into it a few minutes later and you should see two new green tabs, Download BAM and Share BAM. The very long link under the latter can be e-mailed to an analyst or entered on the Y-DNA Warehouse submission form. Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy Administrator, McCarthy Surname Project Administrator, R Z16526 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator, R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mccarthy-surname-study/about https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-p314/about https://mccarthydna.wordpress.com/ (for material which cannot be accommodated on the FTDNA websites) Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Ed, SNP P312 occurred about 4500-5000 years ago. CTS4466 occurred perhaps 2000-3700 years ago. At 37 markers you will match a great many who test positive for SNP CTS4466. SNPs FT43021 and A1133 are clearly O’Sullivan markers. You are an O’Sullivan. You are not a McCarthy. Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy Administrator, McCarthy Surname Project Administrator, R Z16526 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator, R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mccarthy-surname-study/about https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-p314/about https://mccarthydna.wordpress.com/ (for material which cannot be accommodated on the FTDNA websites) Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Ed, The O’Sullivans and MacCarthys lived in close proximity to one another both before and after their migration from the west Tipperary area into Co Kerry at the end of the 12th century A.D. There were plenty of opportunities for NPEs to occur (Non paternity-events). So we have O’Sullivans who are really paternally MacCarthys and, as the BY23396 subclade you cite below, McCarthys who are really paternally (O’)Sullivans. You Sir, are quite certainly an O’Sullivan so I don’t see why you need to consider being a McCarthy. Kind regards = Nigel McCarthy Administrator, McCarthy Surname Project Administrator, R Z16526 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator, R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mccarthy-surname-study/about https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-p314/about https://mccarthydna.wordpress.com/ (for material which cannot be accommodated on the FTDNA websites) Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /McCarthy Group A and IT2 Phylogenetic Tree (2020-02-24).pdf Uploaded By: Nigel McCarthy <ndmccarthy10@...> Description: This is the 'final' update of my version of our Irish Type II tree, subject to the correction of any significant errors which may come to light. Thank you to all who have contributed their data for analysis and the benefit of all in our Irish Type II community. Cheers, The 开云体育 Team

Hello, All. I'm delighted to let you know that James has just joined our new forum. He has just informed me privately of a new genetic testing company, Nebula Genomics , that FTDNA is partnering with to allow 30x WGS tests at NG to be imported into their database. The cost is $300 + $20 for the minimum subscription of one month of reports. You can find out more at https://nebula.org. They say you will have access to all your raw data and explain 'In partnership with FamilyTreeDNA, we give you access to the world’s largest Y-DNA and mtDNA databases, enable you to trace your paternal and maternal ancestry and connect with your relatives. ' I expect that if Family Tree is willing to work with them, they should be reputable enough to give them a try. James explained to me that a WGS test at NG is all of Family Tree's tests minus about 10 STRs that are too long. I couldn't find anything about NG on the FT website, so I don't know if there is a fee to transfer the data to FT of they will add the 111 STRs onto the Y-DNA Results spreadsheet. James, thanks for the heads up on this. If you have any more details to share, please let us know. They mention BAMs and VCFs, so I gather you will be able to access this info if folks load onto your Warehouse? Very glad to have you with us, and thanks for the info. Elizabeth

Hello, All. I am editing/condensing content of an email from the ISOGG list (which is private and the moderator is not fond of folks forwarding notes, so please don’t distribute widely…) about Nebula. For those of you who don’t know about Nebula, they were founded out of the laboratory of Prof. George Church, genomics pioneer at Harvard Medical School and they are committed to giving individuals full control and ownership of their genomic data. In addition to affordable whole-genome sequencing, we’re very excited about the partnership Nebula announced with FamilyTreeDNA, which we’re told will provide access to a set of FTDNA’s Y chromosome (Y-DNA) and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) feature suite for free based on your 30x WGS data. Here’s a link if you’re interested in learning more about Nebula’s 30x whole genome sequencing: https://nebula.org/?utm_source=ISOGG&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ISOGGpartneroffer Elizabeth

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /IT2 Phylogenetic Tree (2020-03-03).pdf Uploaded By: Nigel McCarthy <ndmccarthy10@...> Description: The 'Final' analysis update of 24 Feb 20 has been updated with some revisions to Sheet 1. Cheers, The 开云体育 Team