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Re: SSB Filter Selection - Performance

 

--- In FT817@y..., "Gary Mitchelson" <n3jpu@e...> wrote:
I assume that with the opt SSB filter that it is used in the TX
chain also??
That is correct Gary. Its flat response makes it also nice for PSK31
operation.

72 de Barry - W4WB


Re: Voltage vs. Power out

Lionel K Curling
 

Hi
You would be better off using a 12v 7 or 8 Ah gel cell battery I use one with my FT817 and get about 4 days with 5 watts before the
battery voltage drops to 11 Volts.
73 Lionel VK3NM

krandino@... wrote:

Sorry if this is in the faq. I looked and didn't see it. Has anyone
checked voltage out versus power out? At what voltage does the power
start to drop off? The reason I ask is I am thinking of bundling a
group of 4 or 5 of the radio shack 9.6V 1600 maH battery packs
together in parallel to make a field battery pack. But my latest
experience with them makes me wonder if I would be better off with a
12V battery. The power out (based upon signal reports) seemed to drop
off rather quickly while using the battery packs.

Thanks in advance,
72,
Keith
N1XTK

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Re: Missing RX coverage on EU models

 

Hi!

Do not worry Johan, I think the european model will cover the
air band without any mods. At least the one I got few weeks ago
covers it.

73

Reino, oh3ih



--- In FT817@y..., "Johan Bodin" <sm6lkm.jbeab@s...> wrote:
Hi All

I ordered my '817 a few weeks ago and I am still waiting like a kid
on Xmas eve...
When I asked the swedish dealer about possible delivery date, the
answer was
"we don't know..."... Sweden's priority seems to be between zero
and
nil at Yaesu :~(

Anyway, I just realised that the european model of FT-817 does NOT
cover
108-136MHz!? Too bad... I was really looking forward to listen to
the air band...
(It's legal to listen to any band here in Sweden.)

Perhaps it's only a "solder ball" issue? Has anyone compared the
solder ball
configuration of US/European/Japanese versions?

I'm not interested in extended TX coverage, I just want the air
band
RX.


73
Johan SM6LKM


Re: SSB Filter Selection - Performance

Gary Mitchelson
 

I assume that with the opt SSB filter that it is used in the TX chain also??

-----Original Message-----
From: w4wb@... [mailto:w4wb@...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:43 PM
To: FT817@...
Subject: [FT817] Re: SSB Filter Selection - Performance



Sounds like you are the first one to really say the SSB filter is
worth anything. Maybe all of us ASSUMED since the specs were so close
that the reality would be ho-hum

You know, it seems so open inside the rig in that area ( from memory
)...do you think it would be possible to cram 2 in and somehow switch
them?

I imagine you may have one-of-each in your 2 FT-817s?

Thanks

Pres Waterman W2PW
Well, one will remain filterless for the time being and the other gets
filter swaps when needed.

Yes, the "gross" specs lead us all to think that the filters were very
much the same, but not so I think now. I will try to collect my data
and post it at one time in the near future.


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Re: CAT-Interface circuit plan wanted! - The circuit

 

Chris;
I built a simpler cable/converter that works well.
Go to and look at the
bottom of the schematic on page 2. I just built the serial interface
part that is involved with the DB9 connector at bottom right. I was
able to (tightly) get a bit of perfboard and the circuit inside the
DB9 housing. I only used one of the Key or PTT lines though. If you
want to build it I'll check on which one. Whichever it is uses a
seperate shielded line also out of the DB9 shell and terminates in a
1/8" audio plug.
I've used it a few times now with FTBasic to load/unload memories.
Good luck!

Tony, VE3TNW

--- In FT817@y..., Christian.Frankl@t... wrote:
Thank you!

Chris, DL6RDM

howard@h... schrieb:

--- In FT817@y..., Christian.Frankl@t... wrote:
Hello Ham Operators!
Did anyone yet built his own CAT Interface for the FT-817?
A circuit plan for this Interface would be appreciated!
Thank you for writing back!

Chris, DL6RDM


Re: Radio Shack switching 3 amp power supply

 

--- In FT817@y..., "Curtis, Tony" <acurtis@t...> wrote:
Regarding switching power supply noise...

I have been using a small Radio Shack 13.8 VDC 3A regulated
switching power
supply with my '817 with very limited hash problems, none where I
have
wanted to operate. It is catalog number 22-503 at $49.99.
Hi Tony,

This PS was perhaps the first one identified for use with the 817
back last year. The problem found with it was lack of quality
control. Some seem to work well while others (most) generate lots of
trash RF. True of even the same lot. I noted in the FAQ that one
would be well advised to take their 817 to RS and test the PS in the
store until an acceptable one is found.

Switching PS generate noise. No surprise, but how bad it is depends
upon the shielding of the PS. For example, the PS inside my FT-
1000MP is quiet. The IPS CUP36-12-1 works well for me unless I have
a long wire hooked directly to the rig or some other antenna very
proximate to the PS. Since there is a limit to the amount of
shielding that can be done within the size and weight of the CUP36,
there is a low-level RF emission from it. The fact that you hear it
under this situation means that your receiver is doing a good job. :-
) When I use shielded cables to my antenna (say > 10' away), I hear
nothing from the PS. The 817 is nicely shield and doesn't hear it
directly.

My larger 25 A PS for other rigs like the FT-847 are well shielded
and are unheard, but they are a LOT bigger than the CUP36 (that fit
into my shirt pocket with my cell phone to give you some idea of how
small it is). If you look in the Files sections under the
folder "Rig Photos," the first file is a image I made showing the 817
with the RS 22-503 and the CUP36.

72 de Barry - W4WB


Re: Radio Shack switching 3 amp power supply

 

--- In FT817@y..., cfwinter@s... wrote:
*No* noise problems here with the RS switching PS...been using it for
about six months. Even with it alongside my FT-817 with Rubber duck
antenna I have *no* noise whatsoever - even on 440! On the HF bands
I have a roof mounted g5RV/2 just above my shack. No noise problems
here either...Guess it must depend on the individual unit.

Fred KD7T

The trick is try to it with a front panel HF whip on 20 in the SSB or CW mode.
That tells ALL. Its like a woman with out her make-up!
Bill W9WCR


Re: SSB Filter Selection - Performance

 

Sounds like you are the first one to really say the SSB filter is
worth anything. Maybe all of us ASSUMED since the specs were so close
that the reality would be ho-hum

You know, it seems so open inside the rig in that area ( from memory
)...do you think it would be possible to cram 2 in and somehow switch
them?

I imagine you may have one-of-each in your 2 FT-817s?

Thanks

Pres Waterman W2PW
Well, one will remain filterless for the time being and the other gets
filter swaps when needed.

Yes, the "gross" specs lead us all to think that the filters were very
much the same, but not so I think now. I will try to collect my data
and post it at one time in the near future.

I also have been trying to figure a good way to have both filters
installed. The way to do it is to remove the ceramic filter and
replace it with the mechanical SSB filter (some impedance matching
likely required). The ceramic filter is small by comparison. If you
are willing to remove the speaker (I'm not), then there is adequate
space. I have my eye on the space for the TCXO. It will be a few
weeks before I have time to really consider making this mod. If I
can, then Menu #38 would be set to CW and the new SSB filter will be
active as was the ceramic filter. NAR will flip the CW filter in and
out. Best arrangement of all!

72 de Barry - W4WB


Re: SSB Filter Selection - Performance

 

--- In FT817@y..., "Don" <k7ugq@h...> wrote:
I am very interested in any data you have about the SSB filter. At
first
"blush" the SSB filter is a waste of money. However, I have heard
from
others that it is a good "refinement" for the FT-817.
OK Don, I will try to put something together soon and post it.

72 de Barry - W4WB


Re: CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation

Don
 

Short of removing the filter physically from the radio, you are correct.

----- Original Message -----
From: <WB4OOJ@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FT817] CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation


If you set fuction 38 to off I presume that will turn off the filter. Is
this
correct? I guess the only reason to do that would to verify the filter is
working...

Julio




<tt>
Unlike the CW filter, the SSB filter is always on once to set function
38.<BR>
The NAR has no effect on it.<BR>
----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: <jerrys@...><BR>
To: <FT817@...><BR>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:47 PM<BR>
Subject: [FT817] CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hello FT817 owners,<BR>
I bought my FT817 at Dayton and finally got it on the air yesterday<BR>
(6/2). Today I went to install the 500hz IRC CW filter which I also<BR>
bought at Dayton but it doesn't seem to be working. Yes, I changed<BR>
menu item 38 to CW. Both the CW and OFF positions sound the same.<BR>
When putting the filter menu into the SSB position it sounds
filtered<BR>
but it sounds like the CW is partially getting cut off. On SSB the<BR>
signals are unintelligible with the filter set to ON (SSB that is).<BR>
Again the SSB signals sounds the same with the filter in the CW and<BR>
OFF positions. So it sounds like the filter may be working but only<BR>
when menu item 38 is set to SSB, however, it doesn't sound like any<BR>
500 hz CW filter I have ever heard.<BR>
<BR>
I'll be calling IRC tomorrow and I am sure they will either have any<BR>
answer or will ship a new one because they have always given great<BR>
service and stood behind their products.<BR>
<BR>
I am just wondering if anyone else experienced this though ????????<BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
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n9aw@...<BR>
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Re: CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation

Don
 

Sorry that my post was misleading. I understand that the NAR switch does
NOT perform any function when it comes to using the SSB filter. However,
the prior post was a little confusing in that area. I often see others post
messages that say to be sure you enable the SSB filter via the NAR function.
This does not enable the SSB filter as it is always on once the function 38
is selected. However, NAR does enable the CW filter after the function 38
is selected.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard B Drake" <rich@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [FT817] Re: CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation


I'm surprised that so many people find this confusing. Just like any other
transceiver, you have the option to turn your narrow filter on or off (use
it or not as conditions dictate). Installing a filter does not turn it on,
it just makes it available. Use of the, "nar", mode is described on page
14
under, "Front Panel Controls and Switches".

----
73, Rich - W3ZJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Don [mailto:k7ugq@...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:07 AM
To: FT817@...
Subject: Re: [FT817] Re: CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation


I am curious, did switching the NAR allow you to insert the SSB filter?


----- Original Message -----
From: <jerrys@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:09 AM
Subject: [FT817] Re: CW Filter / IRC 500 hz installation


> THANK YOU THANK YOU BARRY. Too bad the install instructions on page
> 74 don't mention that. All is well now.
>
> Thanks again / 73
> Jerry N9AW
>
>
>
> --- In FT817@y..., w4wb@a... wrote:
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > Sounds like you may not have turned on the NAR. It is in the
> > Operating menu, Row 7, C Key. That should do the trick.
> >
> > 72 de Barry - W4WB
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FT817@y..., jerrys@e... wrote:
> > > Hello FT817 owners,
> > > I bought my FT817 at Dayton and finally got it on the air
> yesterday
> > > (6/2). Today I went to install the 500hz IRC CW filter which I
> > also
> > > bought at Dayton but it doesn't seem to be working. Yes, I
> > changed
> > > menu item 38 to CW. Both the CW and OFF positions sound the
> > same.
> > > When putting the filter menu into the SSB position it sounds
> > filtered
> > > but it sounds like the CW is partially getting cut off. On SSB
> the
> > > signals are unintelligible with the filter set to ON (SSB that
> > is).
> > > Again the SSB signals sounds the same with the filter in the CW
> and
> > > OFF positions. So it sounds like the filter may be working but
> > only
> > > when menu item 38 is set to SSB, however, it doesn't sound like
> any
> > > 500 hz CW filter I have ever heard.
> > >
> > > I'll be calling IRC tomorrow and I am sure they will either have
> > any
> > > answer or will ship a new one because they have always given
> great
> > > service and stood behind their products.
> > >
> > > I am just wondering if anyone else experienced this
> though ????????
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Jerry N9AW
> > > n9aw@a...
>
>
>
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Re: SSB Filter Selection - Performance

Don
 

I am very interested in any data you have about the SSB filter. At first
"blush" the SSB filter is a waste of money. However, I have heard from
others that it is a good "refinement" for the FT-817.

----- Original Message -----
From: <w4wb@...>
To: <FT817@...>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:23 AM
Subject: [FT817] SSB Filter Selection - Performance


--- In FT817@y..., "Don" <k7ugq@h...> wrote:
I am curious, did switching the NAR allow you to insert the SSB
filter?
Hi Don,

Jerry was installing the CW filter. NAR only works if the CW filter
is installed and CW is selected in Menu 38. (NAR also is used to
switch from wide to narrow FM deviation.)

If you install the SSB filter, the SSB filter is switched in and out
via Menu 38. NAR does nothing. I have both filters (but not in the
rig at the same time regrettably). The SSB filter is a 10-pole
Collins mechanical filter and is very nice. It is very flat over the
passband unlike the stock ceramic filter. Don't expect dramatic
changes like you observe with the CW filter. The SSB filter
effectively boosts the lows and highs (the stock filter rolls off the
highs and lows) and cuts off the very lows and highs that the stock
filter passes. To really appreciate the filter, I found that using
the SP-8 speaker makes a "big" difference. Although I have not had
time to get a audio review by the "178" group, initial reports are
that the audio is clearer, sounds some better, etc. Another result
of the flat passband it that the output is more constant in the PSK
mode as you move about the passband.

If there is interest, I can post more data about the SSB filter.
Perhaps you and I are the only two having this filter!

72 de Barry - W4WB







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817 info

 

Found lots of tech info here.
Best battery info I have run across



Frank

W9LVC


Re: Ethernet instead: WAS: USB (Univ Serial Bus) - No no no!

 

Blech? It's the same interface all the time, you just have to (I know
it's tough) set the interfaces the same on each end.

Or maybe we should require the manufacturers to support USB, Firewire,
IRDA, Bluetooth, ethernet, fast ethernet, gigabit ethernet, and
NetBIOS, Appletalk, NFS, Netware... Oh I forgot all the flavors of
token ring and all the rest of the network types and all the other
ways of coding the data packets and control packets. Wait a minute
HIPPI would be good, too. Really screams.

Not to sound like a Luddite, but no thanks, serial is everywhere, and
speed is not an issue here. I'd like my 5 year old Win98 laptop to be
able to control a rig, as well as my latest Unix server. With a
simple 3 wire cable and maybe a level converter.

USB, ether, etc. as additionally supported types, OK, I'll go for
that, but serial should be the base.

tom
wa2phw

--- In FT817@y..., "Gregory W. Ratcliff" <gratcliff@p...> wrote:
Serial ports! Blech. It's always the wrong type, wrong speed, wrong
format.

What are the alternatives?

USB is pretty neat and is being put everywhere
Firewire is faster and coming on motherboards
IRDA is growing by leaps and bounds and is rf quiet
Bluetooth is growing but noisy RF wise
Wireless Ethernet is $12.00 in hardware and pretty quiet
Hardwired Ethernet is $15.00 in hardware and quiet if precautions
are
followed.

Greg
nz8r






-----Original Message-----
From: wiese@j... [mailto:wiese@j...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:25 PM
To: FT817@y...
Subject: [FT817] Radios and USB (Univ Serial Bus) - No no no!






Folks...

Just had to add this as reading the comment (appended below) drove
me
outta lurk mode... No, no, no, no. Please, O Lord, no! No USB on
radios.


Re: USB, etc. for radios...

 

--- In FT817@y..., "Bill Wiese"<wiese@j...> wrote:
If I've gotta have a 'puter near my rig, it's gonna be a Palm or
WinCE box (Linuxized?)
with a lot of metal around it. No PCs. Or maybe the Agenda
Computing MIPS-based
Linux palmtop
( )
You know, the agenda palmtop 1) runs linux 2) has fairly respectable
processor specs and 3) has an audio in/out port.

Can you say Pedestrian Mobile PSK31?

--
Brian N0KZ


Re: Radio Shack switching 3 amp power supply

 

*No* noise problems here with the RS switching PS...been using it for
about six months. Even with it alongside my FT-817 with Rubber duck
antenna I have *no* noise whatsoever - even on 440! On the HF bands
I have a roof mounted g5RV/2 just above my shack. No noise problems
here either...Guess it must depend on the individual unit.

Fred KD7T


--- In FT817@y..., Nick Marsh <nmar@e...> wrote:


"Curtis, Tony" wrote:

Regarding switching power supply noise...

I have been using a small Radio Shack 13.8 VDC 3A regulated
switching
power
supply with my '817 with very limited hash problems, none where I
have
wanted to operate. It is catalog number 22-503 at $49.99.
Are you using an outside antenna? My RS supply like this is a real
noise
generator. I'd bet the output looks like a comb on an o-scope!
Can't use
it with 817 mounted antenna at all.

Nick
WB4SQI


USB, etc. for radios...

Bill Wiese
 

I think you're speaking from a very PC-centric view. Many of us don't wanna
use a PC - even a laptop - that drains more power heating the CPU than which
is radiated by the antenna - just something "sick & wrong" about that. I want
that battery life to be spent on op time putting out RF ;-)

If I've gotta have a 'puter near my rig, it's gonna be a Palm or WinCE box (Linuxized?)
with a lot of metal around it. No PCs. Or maybe the Agenda Computing MIPS-based
Linux palmtop
( )


For adding small, low-power smarts to a variety of things, microcontrollers
where everything is on one chip (or a couple) are the way to go. PICs & 8051s
on the low end, 8051XAs,
68HC12s, MSP430s for 16-bit midrange, and ARM7 Thumbs for 32 bit speed/power
efficiency. These all interface nicely via serial connections.

And if one can't get the bit rate, parity, etc. right I suspect that person
may have a hard time running a radio. I've never understood why it was so hard,
as it's never taken me (in the past 20 yrs playing with 'puters) more than a
minute or two to configure serial communications. [Except poss on PCs where
there used to be IRQ wars - but that's a PC architecture fault.]

I wouldn't let USB or Firewire Ether* anything near a radio trying to acquire
a weak signal, unless I needed a noise generator for test purposes ;-) Just
because it passes FCC Part B doesn't mean you want it raising the noise floor
while working DX.

In fact, if I really needed control of a radio and it had a USB port on it but
no serial port I wouldn't buy it (unless I could reverse-engineer it and and
one on).

And this is from someone who eats, breathes, sleeps computers and writes imaging
software for USB digital cameras...

73 Bill N6AOT
San Mateo, CA

Serial ports! Blech. It's always the wrong type, wrong
speed, wrong format.

What are the alternatives?

USB...Firewire... IRDA ... Bluetooth
Wireless Ethernet ... Hardwired Ethernet


Re: FT 817 and Palm III interface, found a ICOM program

Nick Marsh
 

Geoff Wicks wrote:

Hello All,

I'm Geoff Wicks, the author of the Palm/PCR1000 PCRPilot program.
Hi Geoff,

I used PCRPilot on my Icom PCR1000 until I sold the radio. I really
enjoyed using the Palm to change frequencies on the receiver.

I also have a Palm program to monitor my OptoReceiver (A GRE computer
controlled scanner). My only wish is that Opto had devised a method of
uploading frequencies to the receiver.

Which brings me to my point. If you do a program for the FT817, my
interest is memory management only, uploading different memory profiles
is the only reason I would connect the Palm to the 817.

I believe there is a lot of support for a Palm version of FTBasic but
just how complex does it need to be? Duplicating the radio front panel
and controls on the Palm doesn't make much sense to me.

Good luck on your endeavor...

73

Nick
WB4SQI