identification and value
I have a dalton lathe that was grandfather's (tool and die maker) and fathers (machinist who made mini steam engines as hobby) and am trying to determine what type it is and approximate value. I will be selling it since do not use it and need the space in the wood shop. Would like it to go to a good home. Patent name plate i has two pat numbers last one is from 1914, there is no sn or other identifying number that I can see on way ends. and no other name plates other than Pat name plate on it. Its in great shape and runs great. I think it is a lot 5, from the searching I did but need some help. Lastly any input on what it would be worth? Located in upstate NY. Thanks for any feed back
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Back plate
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Does anyone have a source for a back plate for a Lot 4 A semi finished one would probably be preferred but the 1.25X 12 threaded hole is the key feature I need. I thought I had one lined up but it seams to have evaporated. TIA Greg
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Head stock spindle questions
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When I engage The change gear on the back it locks the spindle out is this supposed to happen? I did take out the retention pin on the side of the big spindle gear but it still is locked any help would be greatly appreciated thanks
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How to sell machinist tools - NE Ohio or thereabouts
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So my mom is getting up in years. Dad passed a couple of years ago - he did receiving inspection a lot of his life. My grandfather was a machinist and when he passed Dad inherited a lot of what he had in his shop. It also turns out Dad was more of a pack rat than anyone suspected. Mom's finally at the point where she's ready to get some of the tools out of the house. Of course, she doesn't know what any of it is. As much as I could probably just take everything if I wanted, I probably can't use a lot of it as a hobbyist and I'm sure Mom could use the extra cash. Mom's in NE Ohio and I'm 4 hours away in WV. Had planned on going up in the fall but life got in the way. Hopefully I can get up there soon. Plan was to just go through everything for her and label what things are, maybe do some sold listings searches on ebay to give her a ballpark of what they're worth, and then let her sell them. That's still the plan, but she's asked if I know of anyone who would just purchase it in a lump so she doesn't have to deal with it. I'm guessing it's impractical to ship a bunch of tools across country due to weight and need to package carefully, so it's probably going to have to be someone in NE Ohio who can go there. Are there companies/people who do this sort of thing? My first guess was an estate sale company, but I'm not sure that's going to be the best option. Any advice?
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Spindle bearings and alignment
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I'm a long time from needing to do this, but I'd like to start accumulating any parts/tools I would need. My tailstock-side (right) spindle bearings are pretty tight - no detectable movement just using my hand. But the change-gear-side (left) bearing has a lot of play. The left cap looks like it's been shimmed up, so perhaps removing the shim will help. I've read some old posts about shimming the bearing shells themselves and then scraping them to fit the spindle shaft again. However, how do we maintain alignment of the spindle parallel with the ways horizontally and vertically insuring the spindle is centered in the bearing? Seems gravity would have had a hand and the lower bearing shell is more worn than the upper, so that's probably where most of the wear is going to be. I haven't measured the play but it seems like if I extrapolated it to the far end of the bed (like if I had a long rod chucked up) the far end would have significant up and down movement like maybe 1/8 of an inch (just guessing). Or do we just get the spindle centered as best as possible in the headstock and then adjust the whole headstock to align with the bed? Am I overthinking this?
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Lot 4 backing plate wanted
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Hi all, I am looking for a chuck backing plate. I want to mount a 4" 4 jaw chuck on my lot 4 with a 1.25: x 12 TPI spindle. Thanks Greg
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What's the skinny on collets in the Dalton?
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I looking at setting up my Chinese mini lathe up for collets after I get the new spindle bearings in and I figure I should try to find a setup that will also work with the Dalton if possible. Went through a lot of old threads, but I'm still unclear about using collets in the Lot 5 Dalton spindle. Do the 3C collets fit the spindle as is, or is a MT adapter required? Would this be a 3MT to 3C adapter like the mini? Is a collet chuck a better option? Is 3C the way to go? I understand I'd need to obtain a drawbar too.
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Quick change tool posts
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Been looking into getting a qctp for my Chinese mini lathe and eventually for the Dalton. Been researching them and it appears the aluminum ones that are inexpensive are only really good for machining softer metals and plastics, but you really need a steel one for machining steel. Came across a guy on ebay who is making them named metalcharger. His price seems pretty competitive with the Chinese steel ones and he makes them with dual buttons. Thought maybe someone here would be interested. I don't know the guy and haven't purchased one yet, but it appears to be a nice quality item and a reasonable price - has good feedback on ebay. Don't know if his are compatible with the standard OX type inserts. Had thought about maybe making one myself, but by the time I got the tooling and materials I'd need at the prices today, it would probably cost me more that just buying one.
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Dial test indicators
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I'm needing a dial test indicator. The Starett "Last Word" seems to be the most common. Been reading up on them and some people seem to think the Starett's aren't all that great compared to the rest of their product line. I'm tending towards picking up an older one, but I've read that some of the new Chineseum ones are pretty good and the price new is less than a lot of the "vintage" ones. I'm not sure I'm ready to invest in something like a new Mitutoyo, although I'd love to have one. Curious on the thoughts and experiences of the group. Also what resolution is most usable for what we can do on the small Daltons?
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Threading dial
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All I ordered this when they were first offered to the group … I’ve come to realize that I’m never going to install it, and that someone else could get better use from the thing. I’ve no recollection what they went for … is $50 cash dollars American (including USPS to CONUS) a fair price? John Rosberg
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Hello everyone
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Happy to find this group. Got a lot 5 from my Dad prior to his passing. It's in sad shape but looks to be complete. I'm hoping to start the long process of getting it back into usable shape soon. It's dirty, a little rusty, and covered in a lot of paint. Also looks like it was either dropped or something fell onto it years ago. The lower side cover is cracked and repaired OK. The upper side cover is cracked and pretty badly repaired with missing bits. Also noticed a crack in the semi-circular band-shaped guard on top. I think it may have come from my old school's shop as my Dad worked for the maintenance dept a couple decades ago and I know they disbanded the shop about the same time due to supposed lack of interest. But other than poor aesthetics, it's looking like it's functionally OK. Really won't know until I dive into it. Going to be some time before I start on it. Still reading and learning. Looks like this one was set up to turn wood at some point.
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I just got a dalton 6 b-4 I think, are there any manuals, drawings, schematics, and that stuff? I am looking for a back plate, 3/4 jaw chuck and tail stock parts. Some things I can make, some things I can't; any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Ryan Waldt
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I just got a dalton 6 b-4 I think
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I just got a dalton 6 b-4 I think, are there any manuals, drawings, schematics, and that stuff? I am looking for a back plate, 3/4 jaw chuck and tail stock parts. Some things I can make, some things I can't; any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Ryan Waldt
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I just got a dalton 6 b-4 I think, are there any manuals, drawings, schematics, and that stuff? I am looking for a back plate, 3/4 jaw chuck and tail stock parts. Some things I can make, some things I can't; any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help, Ryan Waldt
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Thread dial
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I don't know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there. The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate. They also offer a thread dial. To be clear, this is not a direct fit and may not even be useable. That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend themselves to building a Dalton thread dial. Here's the parts page: https://www.grizzly.com/products/g0602/parts The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial. P0602027 is the gear. It's a 48 tooth. I ordered one just for giggles since it was cheap. It looks like it would kinda sorta work, although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from Dennis. Sorry my pics are awful. You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the shaft slightly from vertical. I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them available, that's definitely the way to go. But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch, even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be useful. I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant modification. But it still may be easier than building something from scratch. Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow might be useful to have. Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an alternative to building the whole thing from scratch. For me, I could probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut. Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit better. I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days, which these days is pretty remarkable. They may be a source of other parts that can be modified to fit Daltons. Just food for thought...
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Getting back to my Dalton
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Hello Group, It is time to get back to this Dalton. I sent a photo or two to Dennis in the past, but I cannot retrieve that correspondence. Please I identify the lot number for me. There are no numbers on the end of the bed. Also, are there any thread dials or at least gears remaining to make one. It is a 12 tpi lead screw. Many Thanks, John Molburg Valparaiso, IN
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Dalton 6" Type B-6 Metal Lathe Thread Threading Dial 3/4" x 10 TPI Lea – Farm Boy Sales
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https://farmboysales.com/products/dalton-6-type-b-6-metal-lathe-thread-threading-dial
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Added Folder /Threading Dial dwgs - Dennis Turk
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Motor question
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My lot 5 came with a late 60s/early 70s GE 1/2hp 1725 rpm motor. Think it's probably well suited functionally but I'd like something a little older in keeping with the style of this old girl. I have an older Delco motor. Plate's a bit illegible but it draws 5.8a@110vac so I'm guessing 1/4 or 1/3hp. Can't read the RPMs. It's probably from the 1930s or 40s so would fit the style of the lathe much better. I need to redo the whole drive system so I can get appropriate pulleys to gear the RPMs down to the level the Dalton requires (500-1000rpm IIRC) But, while I want to do a decent job bringing her back to life, I'm not interested in a pure showpiece. I want to eventually use this lathe (as a hobbyist, nothing production) so utility is more important than looks and I can keep my eyes open for an old motor that's more powerful than the Delco if that's the right direction to go. I have a Chinese mini lathe for smaller parts so I plan on the Dalton for the larger (for me) stuff that won't fit the mini. Is the Delco a good choice, or should I stick with the 1/2hp GE and keep my eyes open for something old with a little more HP?
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Dalton Lot 2 Lathe Issues
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I have a Lot 2 Dalton Lathe, I posted a photo of it and some details at the time Lot 2 No 23, anyway I have now sorted a few items out namely mounted the lathe on a metal table and fixing the motor below and to the rear with the Pulley above to feed the Lathe. I had the motor fixed, the solenoid had broken, its now sorted. Now I'm at the point of turning metal so I've produced a few practise pieces and have found issues more important than say sorting out any backlash in the Slides. 1) On turning work I'm finding when cutting that the work ends with a slight taper (thicker at the Lathe Chuck end), there's 0.5mm or a number of thou out over say 50mm or 2", I've checked its not the top slide being out and causing it by moving from back to front using the carriage and apron instead for the parallel movement of the cutting tool. 2) I have play on the Tailstock Barrel when I want to drill into my Work Piece, it ends up off centre. The Lathe is 108 years old so there's going to be play everywhere but I need to fix these if it's to become a successful working lathe. The Lathe Bed is Cast Iron so that should be straight, so is the error in the Headstock bearings, so that it's running slightly out of line. I'm not sure what or where the play is in the Tailstock Barrel.
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