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I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there. The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.? They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and may not even be useable. That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend themselves to building a Dalton thread dial. Here's the parts page:? The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial. P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work, although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??    You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the shaft slightly from vertical. I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them available, that's definitely the way to go.?? But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch, even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut. Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit better.? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days, which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other parts that can be modified to fit Daltons. Just food for thought...
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This is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the
thread dial looks very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials
use a straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate
shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the gear
tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree included
angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of the thread
dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not important at
all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter pins to make the
teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear face.? Remember your Lot 5
lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3
and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock gear that was made of brass and was very
thin. ?So on these three early models the width of the gear is not important at
all.
?
In the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that
the angle of the gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and
as such would be mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would
really like to see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.?
For sure the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not historically
correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads on your
Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron would be the
question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small adapter plate could
be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting bolt is important the
distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not nearly as important
and could have some variance and still work.?
?
Remember that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is
only a few degrees and as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its
horizontal to the lead screw and still work just fine.? What is more important
is the shape of the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as
the Dalton and my dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw
and the tooth shape takes care of the angle.
?
Including a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to
big a file.? Also a picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones
we made.
?
On last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process
of machining the body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of
pictures showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to
scribe the witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.?
All very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill
machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can send
them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test and see if I
can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it
out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.? They
also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and may
not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could
probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to
etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
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Lot 6 and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
?
Dalton used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the
mounting bolt on? all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the
gear.? Lot 6 and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to
use a 40 tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the only
difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous post. The
Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut in the gear
blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture files (over
17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6 thread dial.?
Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was different.? At the
time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials there were only a couple of
Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one with an original thread dial.?
We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some Dalton 9 lathes now but to my
knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread dial for that size lathe.? I
do know that there is a slight modification to the body as the smaller gear
diameter moves the body closer to the lead screw and as such it has to be modified
to clear the lead screw.? Other than the gear and the modification to the body it’s
the same thread dial.? I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a
third but I do not have a thread dial.?
?
I may decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in
Pennsylvania back in 08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to
NY.? Ha on that trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good
friends.? One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the
Dalton group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.? The
second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over the
North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me including
one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter. ?The long bed Dalton 9 is not complete
and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to the scrapper
before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really have no idea
of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the head stock
though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was handled after
I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36 inch Dalton 9 but
other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice Dalton 9 tail stock
head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch lathe.? Again it’s not
all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of the drawers are missing.?
Would be a good project for someone to finish it.? Most of it has been glass
bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black powder coat.? So anyone interested
it any of these parts let me know.
?
Well enough for now.? Dennis
?
?
This is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is
the thread dial looks very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany
thread dials use a straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear
and face plate shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than
the shape of the gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was
use a 60 degree included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.?
In the case of the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth
profile is not important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only
small diameter pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of
the gear face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged
by the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a
clock gear that was made of brass and was very thin. ?So on these three
early models the width of the gear is not important at all.
?
In the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that
the angle of the gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and
as such would be mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I
would really like to see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton
apron.? For sure the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face
also.? Not historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want
to cut threads on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the
mounting to the apron would be the question.? I think if the mounting is
way off then a small adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the
height of the mounting bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to
the lead screw is not nearly as important and could have some variance and
still work.?
?
Remember that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is
only a few degrees and as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its
horizontal to the lead screw and still work just fine.? What is more
important is the shape of the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did
also as the Dalton and my dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead
screw and the tooth shape takes care of the angle.
?
Including a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to
big a file.? Also a picture of an original thread dial with gear and the
ones we made.
?
On last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process
of machining the body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a
number of pictures showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP
mill to scribe the witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so
accurately.? All very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or
a mill drill machine.? If you would like to include these in the file
section I can send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need
to do a test and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it
out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could
probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to
etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
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Dennis,
Please just put them here, in this thread and I'll move them over to the new folder. I'd sure like to see you move your email over to a gmail account or so such, since then it would be removed from Frontier, which appears to have lots of issues. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll help?you through the process. Heck, I'll even come over there and do it at your home or shop, just?say the word.??
Dan
Lot 6 and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
?
Dalton used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the
mounting bolt on? all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the
gear.? Lot 6 and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to
use a 40 tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the only
difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous post. The
Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut in the gear
blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture files (over
17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6 thread dial.?
Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was different.? At the
time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials there were only a couple of
Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one with an original thread dial.?
We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some Dalton 9 lathes now but to my
knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread dial for that size lathe.? I
do know that there is a slight modification to the body as the smaller gear
diameter moves the body closer to the lead screw and as such it has to be modified
to clear the lead screw.? Other than the gear and the modification to the body it’s
the same thread dial.? I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a
third but I do not have a thread dial.?
?
I may decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in
Pennsylvania back in 08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to
NY.? Ha on that trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good
friends.? One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the
Dalton group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.? The
second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over the
North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me including
one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter.? The long bed Dalton 9 is not complete
and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to the scrapper
before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really have no idea
of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the head stock
though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was handled after
I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36 inch Dalton 9 but
other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice Dalton 9 tail stock
head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch lathe.? Again it’s not
all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of the drawers are missing.?
Would be a good project for someone to finish it.? Most of it has been glass
bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black powder coat.? So anyone interested
it any of these parts let me know.
?
Well enough for now.? Dennis
?
?
This is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is
the thread dial looks very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany
thread dials use a straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear
and face plate shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than
the shape of the gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was
use a 60 degree included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.?
In the case of the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth
profile is not important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only
small diameter pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of
the gear face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged
by the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a
clock gear that was made of brass and was very thin.? So on these three
early models the width of the gear is not important at all.
?
In the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that
the angle of the gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and
as such would be mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I
would really like to see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton
apron.? For sure the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face
also.? Not historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want
to cut threads on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the
mounting to the apron would be the question.? I think if the mounting is
way off then a small adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the
height of the mounting bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to
the lead screw is not nearly as important and could have some variance and
still work.?
?
Remember that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is
only a few degrees and as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its
horizontal to the lead screw and still work just fine.? What is more
important is the shape of the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did
also as the Dalton and my dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead
screw and the tooth shape takes care of the angle.
?
Including a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to
big a file.? Also a picture of an original thread dial with gear and the
ones we made.
?
On last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process
of machining the body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a
number of pictures showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP
mill to scribe the witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so
accurately.? All very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or
a mill drill machine.? If you would like to include these in the file
section I can send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need
to do a test and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it
out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could
probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to
etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
-- Dan & Jeanne Linscheid
Salem, OR
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Thanks Dan I may just do that but I would have to bring my lap
top up from Florence first.? I keep to computers one here in Mc and one in Florence.?
Moving back and forth really screws Frontier up as soon as I change computers
they keep asking for my pass word.? Dan I have a son in-law that can help me
also but lately we been dealing with my wife as she has been living in Albany
with my Daughter and her husband.? Tomorrow she is being moved to a care
facility in Corvallis as the family just can’t take care of her any longer she
needs full time care now. ??So I take it you did not get the email I sent you a
couple of hours ago Dan.? For the life of me I don’t know why this site works
so well for me and nothing ells does. Dennis
?
?
Dennis,
Please just put them here, in this thread and I'll move them
over to the new folder. I'd sure like to see you move your email over to a
gmail account or so such, since then it would be removed from Frontier, which
appears to have lots of issues. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll
help?you through the process. Heck, I'll even come over there and do it at
your home or shop, just?say the word.??
?
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On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:41 AM Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:
Lot 6
and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
?
Dalton
used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the mounting bolt on?
all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the gear.? Lot 6
and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to use a 40
tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the
only difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous
post. The Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut
in the gear blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture
files (over 17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6
thread dial.? Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was
different.? At the time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials
there were only a couple of Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one
with an original thread dial.? We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some
Dalton 9 lathes now but to my knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread
dial for that size lathe.? I do know that there is a slight modification
to the body as the smaller gear diameter moves the body closer to the lead
screw and as such it has to be modified to clear the lead screw.? Other
than the gear and the modification to the body it’s the same thread dial.?
I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a third but I do not have a
thread dial.?
?
I may
decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in Pennsylvania back in
08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to NY.? Ha on that
trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good friends.?
One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the Dalton
group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.?
The second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over
the North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me
including one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter.? The long bed Dalton 9
is not complete and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to
the scrapper before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really
have no idea of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the
head stock though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was
handled after I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36
inch Dalton 9 but other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice
Dalton 9 tail stock head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch
lathe.? Again it’s not all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of
the drawers are missing? Would be a good project for someone to finish
it.? Most of it has been glass bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black
powder coat.? So anyone interested it any of these parts let me know.
?
Well
enough for now.? Dennis
?
?
This
is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks
very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a
straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate
shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the
gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree
included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of
the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not
important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter
pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear
face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by
the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock
gear that was made of brass and was very thin.? So on these three early
models the width of the gear is not important at all.
?
In
the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the
gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be
mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to
see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure
the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not
historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads
on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron
would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small
adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting
bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not
nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.?
?
Remember
that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and
as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead
screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of
the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my
dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape
takes care of the angle.
?
Including
a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a
picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made.
?
On
last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the
body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures
showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the
witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All
very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill
machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can
send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test
and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I
don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could probably
build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the
dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
--
|
For you guys that have never seen a Dalton 9 that has a 36 inch
bed here is a picture.? This lathe is still in the shipping crate as I have
never taken the time to uncrate it but? may soon.? This is the only 36 inch one
we know of and also the only one with a lever operated collet closer and also
has a taper attachment and a full set of change gears.? Kind of crusty but have
worked with a lot worse. ??I do have a correct 36 inch cast iron cabinet this
could go on but I am missing the chip tray.? The only thing missing on the
lathe is the upper gear guard over the end of the spindle? but I do have one on
another lathe for a replacement. These were the eBay pictures I saved as I have
not actually looked at the lathe yetL? Dennis
?
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Thread dial
?
Thanks Dan I may just do that but I would have to bring my lap
top up from Florence first.? I keep to computers one here in Mc and one in
Florence.? Moving back and forth really screws Frontier up as soon as I
change computers they keep asking for my pass word.? Dan I have a son
in-law that can help me also but lately we been dealing with my wife as she has
been living in Albany with my Daughter and her husband.? Tomorrow she is
being moved to a care facility in Corvallis as the family just can’t take care
of her any longer she needs full time care now. ??So I take it you
did not get the email I sent you a couple of hours ago Dan.? For the life
of me I don’t know why this site works so well for me and nothing ells does.
Dennis
?
?
Dennis,
Please just put them here, in this thread and I'll move them
over to the new folder. I'd sure like to see you move your email over to a
gmail account or so such, since then it would be removed from Frontier, which
appears to have lots of issues. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll
help?you through the process. Heck, I'll even come over there and do it at
your home or shop, just?say the word.??
?
Lot 6
and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
?
Dalton
used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the mounting bolt on?
all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the gear.? Lot 6
and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to use a 40
tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the
only difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous
post. The Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut
in the gear blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture
files (over 17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6
thread dial.? Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was
different.? At the time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials
there were only a couple of Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one
with an original thread dial.? We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some
Dalton 9 lathes now but to my knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread
dial for that size lathe.? I do know that there is a slight modification
to the body as the smaller gear diameter moves the body closer to the lead
screw and as such it has to be modified to clear the lead screw.? Other
than the gear and the modification to the body it’s the same thread dial.?
I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a third but I do not have a
thread dial.?
?
I may
decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in Pennsylvania back in
08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to NY.? Ha on that
trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good friends.?
One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the Dalton
group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.?
The second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over
the North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me
including one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter.? The long bed Dalton 9
is not complete and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to
the scrapper before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really
have no idea of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the
head stock though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was
handled after I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36
inch Dalton 9 but other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice
Dalton 9 tail stock head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch
lathe.? Again it’s not all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of
the drawers are missing? Would be a good project for someone to finish
it.? Most of it has been glass bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black
powder coat.? So anyone interested it any of these parts let me know.
?
Well
enough for now.? Dennis
?
?
This
is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks
very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a
straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate
shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the
gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree
included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of
the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not
important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter
pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear
face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by
the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock
gear that was made of brass and was very thin.? So on these three early
models the width of the gear is not important at all.
?
In
the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the gear
shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be
mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to
see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure
the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not
historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads
on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron
would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small
adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting
bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not
nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.?
?
Remember
that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and
as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead
screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of
the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my
dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape
takes care of the angle.
?
Including
a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a
picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made.
?
On
last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the
body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures
showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the
witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All
very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill
machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can
send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test
and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I
don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could
probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to
etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
--
|
I got that email, Dennis, but the attachments were missing. I'm certainly willing to come over and set you up with gmail or whatever you?prefer, just to help you get past the pain and suffering Frontier is giving you. Let me know when you get your laptop up here, and I'll be happy to meet you at your place in Mac.
Dan
Thanks Dan I may just do that but I would have to bring my lap
top up from Florence first.? I keep to computers one here in Mc and one in Florence.?
Moving back and forth really screws Frontier up as soon as I change computers
they keep asking for my pass word.? Dan I have a son in-law that can help me
also but lately we been dealing with my wife as she has been living in Albany
with my Daughter and her husband.? Tomorrow she is being moved to a care
facility in Corvallis as the family just can’t take care of her any longer she
needs full time care now. ??So I take it you did not get the email I sent you a
couple of hours ago Dan.? For the life of me I don’t know why this site works
so well for me and nothing ells does. Dennis
?
?
Dennis,
Please just put them here, in this thread and I'll move them
over to the new folder. I'd sure like to see you move your email over to a
gmail account or so such, since then it would be removed from Frontier, which
appears to have lots of issues. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll
help?you through the process. Heck, I'll even come over there and do it at
your home or shop, just?say the word.??
?
Lot 6
and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
?
Dalton
used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the mounting bolt on?
all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the gear.? Lot 6
and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to use a 40
tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the
only difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous
post. The Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut
in the gear blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture
files (over 17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6
thread dial.? Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was
different.? At the time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials
there were only a couple of Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one
with an original thread dial.? We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some
Dalton 9 lathes now but to my knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread
dial for that size lathe.? I do know that there is a slight modification
to the body as the smaller gear diameter moves the body closer to the lead
screw and as such it has to be modified to clear the lead screw.? Other
than the gear and the modification to the body it’s the same thread dial.?
I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a third but I do not have a
thread dial.?
?
I may
decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in Pennsylvania back in
08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to NY.? Ha on that
trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good friends.?
One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the Dalton
group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.?
The second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over
the North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me
including one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter.? The long bed Dalton 9
is not complete and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to
the scrapper before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really
have no idea of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the
head stock though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was
handled after I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36
inch Dalton 9 but other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice
Dalton 9 tail stock head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch
lathe.? Again it’s not all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of
the drawers are missing? Would be a good project for someone to finish
it.? Most of it has been glass bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black
powder coat.? So anyone interested it any of these parts let me know.
?
Well
enough for now.? Dennis
?
?
This
is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks
very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a
straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate
shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the
gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree
included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of
the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not
important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter
pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear
face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by
the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock
gear that was made of brass and was very thin.? So on these three early
models the width of the gear is not important at all.
?
In
the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the
gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be
mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to
see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure
the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not
historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads
on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron
would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small
adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting
bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not
nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.?
?
Remember
that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and
as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead
screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of
the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my
dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape
takes care of the angle.
?
Including
a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a
picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made.
?
On
last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the
body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures
showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the
witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All
very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill
machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can
send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test
and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I
don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could probably
build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to etch the
dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
--
-- Dan & Jeanne Linscheid
Salem, OR
|
Hi Dan?
?
Dan I only sent a line of text just to see if the email got
through.? Now that I know I can I will send pictures.? Funny I can get through
to you but not Glen.HMMMMMM
?
?
I got that email, Dennis, but the attachments were missing
I'm certainly willing to come over and set you up with gmail or whatever
you?prefer, just to help you get past the pain and suffering Frontier is
giving you.
Let me know when you get your laptop up here, and I'll be
happy to meet you at your place in Mac.
?
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On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:42 AM Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:
Thanks
Dan I may just do that but I would have to bring my lap top up from Florence
first.? I keep to computers one here in Mc and one in Florence.?
Moving back and forth really screws Frontier up as soon as I change computers
they keep asking for my pass word.? Dan I have a son in-law that can help
me also but lately we been dealing with my wife as she has been living in
Albany with my Daughter and her husband.? Tomorrow she is being moved to a
care facility in Corvallis as the family just can’t take care of her any longer
she needs full time care now. ??So I take it you did not get the
email I sent you a couple of hours ago Dan.? For the life of me I don’t
know why this site works so well for me and nothing ells does. Dennis
?
?
Dennis,
Please
just put them here, in this thread and I'll move them over to the new folder.
I'd sure like to see you move your email over to a gmail account or so such,
since then it would be removed from Frontier, which appears to have lots of
issues. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll help?you through the
process. Heck, I'll even come over there and do it at your home or shop,
just?say the word.??
?
Lot 6
and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
?
Dalton
used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the mounting bolt on?
all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the gear.? Lot 6
and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to use a 40
tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the
only difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous
post. The Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut
in the gear blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture
files (over 17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6
thread dial.? Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was
different.? At the time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials
there were only a couple of Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one
with an original thread dial.? We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some
Dalton 9 lathes now but to my knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread
dial for that size lathe.? I do know that there is a slight modification
to the body as the smaller gear diameter moves the body closer to the lead
screw and as such it has to be modified to clear the lead screw.? Other
than the gear and the modification to the body it’s the same thread dial.?
I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a third but I do not have a
thread dial.?
?
I may
decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in Pennsylvania back in
08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to NY.? Ha on that
trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good friends.?
One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the Dalton
group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.?
The second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over
the North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me
including one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter.? The long bed Dalton 9
is not complete and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to
the scrapper before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really
have no idea of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the
head stock though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was
handled after I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36
inch Dalton 9 but other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice
Dalton 9 tail stock head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch
lathe.? Again it’s not all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of
the drawers are missing? Would be a good project for someone to finish
it.? Most of it has been glass bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black
powder coat.? So anyone interested it any of these parts let me know.
?
Well
enough for now.? Dennis
?
?
This
is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks very
close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a
straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate
shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the
gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree
included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of
the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not
important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter
pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear
face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by
the width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock
gear that was made of brass and was very thin.? So on these three early
models the width of the gear is not important at all.
?
In
the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the
gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be
mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to
see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure
the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not
historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads
on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron
would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small
adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting
bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not
nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.?
?
Remember
that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and
as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead
screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of
the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my
dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape
takes care of the angle.
?
Including
a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a
picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made.
?
On
last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the
body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures
showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the
witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All
very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill
machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can
send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test
and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
?
Dennis
?
?
I
don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work, although
probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from Dennis.?
Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could
probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to
etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears their
parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days, which
these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other parts that
can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
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I tried to start a? new thread but my damn computer will not
allow me to access the Dalton web site.? So back to high jacking a thread.?
Sorry guys
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So let’s see if I can start a new thread.? This lathe
is one of only two we know of.? The first one is a bit different and was
in Florida and I tried to purchase it two different times but the sellers would
not ship it.? This Dalton 10 showed up a few years ago.? It has no
lot number and no serial number????? .? This
lathe is a more conventional designed lathe compared to other Daltons and
actually? has more feature that compare with the Dalton combination
machine or the Lot 1 machine. First off it has 7/8 – 8 lead screw and only a
lead screw no power feed rod like a Dalton 9 or lot 6. ?The lead screw has
a keyway to power the worm gear for power longitudinal feed. ?
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Looking at the pictures you will notice that the front of
the apron has had Dalton and NY ground off the face. This usually means that
the lathe was sold as surplus or a prototype and all indications of who made it
or where it came from were removed from the lathe .?? Also this
lathes unlike the Dalton 9 does not have power cross feed and I find that a bit
strange.? The apron back side looks just like a Lot 6 only much
larger.? The tail stock looks like a Dalton 9 with a thicker base
casting.? One thing I find really strange is the way the compound is
attached to the cross slide.? It sites on a spud sticking up from the
cross slide and has some sort of clamping arrangement to secure it.? The
only other Dalton made this way was the Lot 2 6 inch lathe made for a short
time in 1913.? We know this lathe was made much later than that as it has
the same kind of end door hinge that the Dalton TL pattern makers lathe has and
that hinge was patent in 1922.? This is the only lathe other than the TL
to have used that door hinge. Also the spindle bearing caps are secured with
four cap screws not two like all other Daltons and this is like the combination
machine head stock. The lathe has the same spindle nose as the Lot 6 and Dalton
9 in that its 1 7/8 -8
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So here is my analogy on this model Dalton.? This one
and the one in Florida have no serial numbers or any other identification on
them that can be read or was removed.? I think this was one of a couple of
prototypes that Dalton was preparing to market when the stock market crash
happened ending the company.? As the company end was near I think they
were doing everything to earn cash trying to save the company.? Mitch Nash
owns this lathe and he uses it often and said it works well though a bit
worn.? You have to wonder are there more of them out there
somewhere.? Also if so being this big of lathe it would have seen duty
during WW II and that usually spelled the end of a lathe as they were just
plain worn out working production as ever piece of equipment in existence was
being used at that time.
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So that’s my take on this most interesting Dalton
lathe.? Hope you guys enjoy a bit of old Dalton history even if it’s more
of a mystery than history.
Dennis
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Hi Dan?
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Dan I only sent a line of text just to see if the email got
through.? Now that I know I can I will send pictures.? Funny I can
get through to you but not Glen.HMMMMMM
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I got that email, Dennis, but the attachments were missing
I'm certainly willing to come over and set you up with gmail or whatever
you?prefer, just to help you get past the pain and suffering Frontier is
giving you.
Let me know when you get your laptop up here, and I'll be
happy to meet you at your place in Mac.
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Thanks
Dan I may just do that but I would have to bring my lap top up from Florence
first.? I keep to computers one here in Mc and one in Florence.?
Moving back and forth really screws Frontier up as soon as I change computers
they keep asking for my pass word.? Dan I have a son in-law that can help
me also but lately we been dealing with my wife as she has been living in
Albany with my Daughter and her husband.? Tomorrow she is being moved to a
care facility in Corvallis as the family just can’t take care of her any longer
she needs full time care now. ??So I take it you did not get the
email I sent you a couple of hours ago Dan.? For the life of me I don’t
know why this site works so well for me and nothing ells does. Dennis
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Dennis,
Please
just put them here, in this thread and I'll move them over to the new folder.
I'd sure like to see you move your email over to a gmail account or so such,
since then it would be removed from Frontier, which appears to have lots of
issues. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll help?you through the
process. Heck, I'll even come over there and do it at your home or shop,
just?say the word.??
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Lot 6
and Dalton 9 thread dials.?
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Dalton
used the same dial body shaft with face as well as the mounting bolt on?
all models of Dalton lathes.? What was different was the gear.? Lot 6
and Dalton 9 lathes have a 10 pitch lead screw and as such need to use a 40
tooth bear.? The body diameter of the gear is smaller than for the 12
pitch lead screw equipped lathes.? The tooth profile is the same and the
only difference is the flat on top of the gear tooth you see in the previous
post. The Lot 6 and Dalton 9 the flat is a bit narrower so that makes the cut
in the gear blank a bit deeper.? I need to do some looking in my picture
files (over 17,000) and see if I have pictures of Jim Bonners original Lot 6
thread dial.? Jim sent it up to me at one time so I could see what was
different.? At the time Ratshooter and me decided to make thread dials
there were only a couple of Lot 6 lathes known of and Jims was the only one
with an original thread dial.? We count a lot more Lot 6 machines and some
Dalton 9 lathes now but to my knowledge Jims Lot 6 has the only original thread
dial for that size lathe.? I do know that there is a slight modification
to the body as the smaller gear diameter moves the body closer to the lead
screw and as such it has to be modified to clear the lead screw.? Other
than the gear and the modification to the body it’s the same thread dial.?
I have two Dalton 9 lathes and a few parts left to a third but I do not have a
thread dial.?
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I may
decide to part out the 54 inch long Dalton 9 that I got in Pennsylvania back in
08 when the wife and me made a road trip all the way to NY.? Ha on that
trip I delivered two restored South Bend 9 inch lathes do good friends.?
One in Cincinnati that went to Andy Sargent the man that started the Dalton
group on the internet.? Andy’s lathe was the second Dalton I found after
the first one I have was given to me in 1998 and I found Andy’s in 2000.?
The second lathe went to Dave Kirk also a Dalton owner who traveled all over
the North East picking up lathes I got off eBay and crated and ship them to me
including one go KartJ? So did Andy for that matter.? The long bed Dalton 9
is not complete and is just the basic lathe no accessories. Seems they went to
the scrapper before a young man saved the lathe from a similar fate. I really
have no idea of its condition but know there are no damaged gear teeth in the
head stock though the back gear guards got damaged by the way the lathe was
handled after I purchased it.? I need the upper end gear guard for my 36
inch Dalton 9 but other than that it’s all there.? I also have a very nice
Dalton 9 tail stock head stock as well as a cast iron cabinet for a 48 inch
lathe.? Again it’s not all there as one cabinet door is missing and two of
the drawers are missing? Would be a good project for someone to finish
it.? Most of it has been glass bead blasted and is in 60% semi gloss black
powder coat.? So anyone interested it any of these parts let me know.
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Well
enough for now.? Dennis
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This
is most interesting.? What I find so interesting is the thread dial looks
very close to the Dalton one in design.?? Meany thread dials use a
straight cut gear and angle the body or the vertical gear and face plate
shaft.? I don’t think my gear is any different other than the shape of the
gear tooth itself.? What Dalton did and I did also was use a 60 degree
included angle cutter much like a woodruff keyway cutter.? In the case of
the thread dial gear that engages the lead screw a gear tooth profile is not
important at all.? I have seen one a guy made by using only small diameter
pins to make the teeth.? What is important is the width of the gear
face.? Remember your Lot 5 lathes have a keyway that must be bridged by the
width of the tooth.? Lot 2 3 and 4 I have seen were a guy used a clock
gear that was made of brass and was very thin.? So on these three early
models the width of the gear is not important at all.
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In
the case of this Grizzly thread dial I am going to guess that the angle of the
gear shaft is such that the body takes care of the angle and as such would be
mounted on a horizontal pin attached to the apron.? I would really like to
see one of these to see if it can be used on the Dalton apron.? For sure
the gear can and the vertical shaft and dial? face also.? Not
historically correct but if it functions correctly and you want to cut threads
on your Dalton this would work.? As stated only the mounting to the apron
would be the question.? I think if the mounting is way off then a small
adapter plate could be made up.? Remember only the height of the mounting
bolt is important the distance from the mounting bolt to the lead screw is not
nearly as important and could have some variance and still work.?
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Remember
that the angle of the thread lead on the lead screw is only a few degrees and
as such a straight tooth gear can be mounted were its horizontal to the lead
screw and still work just fine.? What is more important is the shape of
the gear tooth and that is what Dalton did and I did also as the Dalton and my
dial are mounted with the gear horizontal to the lead screw and the tooth shape
takes care of the angle.
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Including
a short video if it will go as its 3MB and maybe to big a file.? Also a
picture of an original thread dial with gear and the ones we made.
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On
last thing Dan I have a bunch of pictures showing the process of machining the
body blank after it came off the CNC lathe.? Also a number of pictures
showing how Ratshooter made the really trick setup in his BP mill to scribe the
witness lines as we as how he held the number punch so accurately.? All
very simple setups and could be done in a drill press or a mill drill
machine.? If you would like to include these in the file section I can
send them to you-----if my email would work Grrrrrrr? Need to do a test
and see if I can get an email to you Dan as I can’t to Glen.
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Dennis
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I
don't? know if this info is useful, but I'll put it out there.
The Grizzly 602 lathe has a 12tpi lead screw if my research is accurate.?
They also offer a thread dial.? To be clear, this is not a direct fit and
may not even be useable.
That said, while you can buy the whole assembly for $116, you can also buy the
individual parts for less and I think many of them have the potential to lend
themselves to building a Dalton thread dial.
Here's the parts page:?
The pic labelled "Apron" has a rough drawing of the thread dial.
P0602027 is the gear.? It's a 48 tooth.? ?I ordered one just for
giggles since it was cheap.? It looks like it would kinda sorta work,
although probably not worth the effort as long as you can get gears from
Dennis.? Sorry my pics are awful.??
  
You can see on the second picture, it doesn't align perfectly perpendicular to
my lead screw, but it seems to mesh reasonably well if you were to angle the
shaft slightly from vertical.
I'm sure Dennis' gears are a way better match and as long as he makes them
available, that's definitely the way to go.??
But the reason for posting is, if you were building a thread dial from scratch,
even with Dennis' gear, some of the other bits Grizzly offers might be
useful.? I doubt the housing they sell will work without significant
modification.? But it still may be easier than building something from
scratch.? Likewise the shaft may work, the dial itself, the little arrow
might be useful to have.? Might be some cheap shortcuts there that are an
alternative to building the whole thing from scratch.? For me, I could
probably build the mechanism, (other than the gear), but I don't have a way to
etch the dial easily, so that dial would be a nice shortcut.
Also possible there may be other parts from other lathes that may fit
better? I don't know a lot about Grizzly's product lines but it appears
their parts are generally reasonably priced and the gear came in a couple days,
which these days is pretty remarkable.? They may be a source of other
parts that can be modified to fit Daltons.
Just food for thought...
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Dan Linscheid
