Yes, it&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s confirmed. I sent an email to him direct, and got an answer from his daughter. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Danny K5CG <k5cg@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 1:02 AM To: yaac-users Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Just heard WB4APR SK Very sad. We had may email interactions over the years. Brilliant guy. RIP Bob ________________________________ From: &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Ronny Julian&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; <k4rjjradio@...> To: &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;yaac-users&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; < [email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:26:09 PM Subject: [yaac-users] Just heard WB4APR SK Heard on my local group and several tweets. Sad [image.png]
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Very sad. We had may email interactions over the years. Brilliant guy.
RIP Bob
From: &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Ronny Julian&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; <k4rjjradio@...>
To: &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;yaac-users&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:26:09 PM
Subject: [yaac-users] Just heard WB4APR SK
Heard on my local group and several tweets.? Sad 
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Heard on my local group and several tweets.? Sad 
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I had to create a brand new install of YAAC today and when I tried to download pre-imported tiles for my map, I got a request to create an Earthdata account.? Is this something new, I had never seen it before?
I forgot to add that my YAAC runs on my raspberry pi 3 version 171
Thanks.
Joe VA3TV
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Thanks Andrew, I will get you that? file when I get to that machine. Sorry, I was hoping someone running Linux had seen this before. I won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t be in front of that PC until next week.
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Re: TNC-Pi9K6 - Anyone having success with this TNC?
Thank you for the hints. All of the mentioned is checked several times ? But seems like I have found the solution now. I had to set baudrate in YAAC to 19200. I tried with 1200 at first. So I guess 19200 is used between RPi and the TNC. I also enabled the TNC2 &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;KISS ON xxxxx&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; Setting, but I am not sure if it&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s needed. Will have to do some more tests. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: [email protected] < [email protected]> P? vegne av Andrew P. Sendt: tirsdag 8. februar 2022 00:47 Til: [email protected]Emne: Re: [yaac-users] TNC-Pi9K6 - Anyone having success with this TNC? First question is: What packet baud rate do you have configured? Normal APRS is at 1200 baud using Bell 202 modem tones. If your TNC-Pi9K6 isn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t set for that (such as being set for 9600 baud G3RUH modem signals), it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t understand anybody else&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s packets. Note the TNC-Pi9K6 documentation says that the device is configured for 9600 baud operation by default when it&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s newly setup. You have to change its parameters to use 1200 baud modem signals. Secondly, is the TNC-Pi9K6 configured to work over the serial port or the I2C connection? YAAC doesn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t support the I2C connection, so make sure it is set for serial and specify the correct serial port device to YAAC. Thirdly, have you enabled the Pi serial port, and disabled console logins on it? If the serial port is not enabled, the device won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t appear in the /dev directory. If the port is enabled for logins, it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t be available to YAAC because it will be tied up by the login daemon. Note that the serial port name varies, depending on whether you are using a Pi2, Pi3, or Pi4. Fourthly, did you set the JP1 jumper on the TNC-Pi9K6 to use the correct receive audio source (1200 baud or 9600 baud discriminator tap)? Hope this helps. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC (who just read the TNC-Pi9K6 manual) ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of stefanvp@... <stefanvp@...> Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 5:05 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] TNC-Pi9K6 - Anyone having success with this TNC? Hello, I have a PiGate, and the setup (TNC, Radio and cable) works well. Have made a new image now and installed YAAC. But I am not able to use the Pi9k6. I don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get any APRS messages when trying with the serial monitor. When using the pitnc_getparams I am able to read configuration from the TNC. Tried now with a USB/RS-232 adapter and an old Kantronics KAM, and everything works. Guess there must be a setting I have missed. Any hints?!
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Re: TNC-Pi9K6 - Anyone having success with this TNC?
First question is: What packet baud rate do you have configured? Normal APRS is at 1200 baud using Bell 202 modem tones. If your TNC-Pi9K6 isn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t set for that (such as being set for 9600 baud G3RUH modem signals), it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t understand anybody else&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s packets. Note the TNC-Pi9K6 documentation says that the device is configured for 9600 baud operation by default when it&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s newly setup. You have to change its parameters to use 1200 baud modem signals. Secondly, is the TNC-Pi9K6 configured to work over the serial port or the I2C connection? YAAC doesn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t support the I2C connection, so make sure it is set for serial and specify the correct serial port device to YAAC. Thirdly, have you enabled the Pi serial port, and disabled console logins on it? If the serial port is not enabled, the device won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t appear in the /dev directory. If the port is enabled for logins, it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t be available to YAAC because it will be tied up by the login daemon. Note that the serial port name varies, depending on whether you are using a Pi2, Pi3, or Pi4. Fourthly, did you set the JP1 jumper on the TNC-Pi9K6 to use the correct receive audio source (1200 baud or 9600 baud discriminator tap)? Hope this helps. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC (who just read the TNC-Pi9K6 manual) ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of stefanvp@... <stefanvp@...> Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 5:05 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] TNC-Pi9K6 - Anyone having success with this TNC? Hello, I have a PiGate, and the setup (TNC, Radio and cable) works well. Have made a new image now and installed YAAC. But I am not able to use the Pi9k6. I don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get any APRS messages when trying with the serial monitor. When using the pitnc_getparams I am able to read configuration from the TNC. Tried now with a USB/RS-232 adapter and an old Kantronics KAM, and everything works. Guess there must be a setting I have missed. Any hints?!
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TNC-Pi9K6 - Anyone having success with this TNC?
Hello,
I have a PiGate, and the setup (TNC, Radio and cable) works well. Have made a new image now and installed YAAC. But I am not able to use the Pi9k6. I don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get any APRS messages when trying with the serial monitor. When using the pitnc_getparams I am able to read configuration from the TNC.
Tried now with a USB/RS-232 adapter and an old Kantronics KAM, and everything works.
Guess there must be a setting I have missed.
Any hints?!
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That is strange. It sounds like you had a startup failure after it created the first window, but before it set up the menus. Can you privately send me the YAAC.out file from your YAAC logdir directory? Hopefully, there will be an error message in that file that reports where the failure is. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of k1hu@... <k1hu@...> Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 3:44 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] Lost top level menu When I upgraded my YAAC v163 to a newer version (on a Linux PC); I lost the top level menu...no File, no View, etc. The shortcut keys to those menu would not work either. As of this writing, I am not in front of the Linux PC so cannot give you specifics Linux version I am running and any other debug info. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll update info when I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m able. The newer versions of YAAC run fine on Windows 10 PC. When I search bugs or message; I can only get the help menu discussion. Has anyone seen the loss of the menu bar since v163?
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When I upgraded my YAAC v163 to a newer version (on a Linux PC); I lost the top level menu...no File, no View, etc. The shortcut keys to those menu would not work either. As of this writing, I am not in front of the Linux PC so cannot give you specifics Linux version I am running and any other debug info. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll update info when I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m able. The newer versions of YAAC run fine on Windows 10 PC. When I search bugs or message; I can only get the help menu discussion.
Has anyone seen the loss of the menu bar since v163?
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Re: next beta build/g/yaac-users/messages/171 of YAAC, created 2022-Feb-04
Don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t forget that if you reset the CMOS power the TNC may revert to needing to see a bunch of carriage returns in order to sense the serial speed.? At least, that&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s what my MFJ-1278 does.? You&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll need to go into PuTTY, do the speed sense thing, then lock it into the config.
For what it&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s worth, my TNC does come out of KISS mode when I exit YAAC.? Also does the same with APRSIS32.
Greg? KO6TH
Michael WA7SKG wrote:
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Must be a problem in my TNC, then. It still is not returning to KISS mode on YAAC shutdown.
I think my next step is to pull the TNC out and rig up a couple switches to allow me to cut power and CMOS battery to reset out of KISS mode. Of course, I am assuming that clears all memory and I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll have to do the whole configure thing again whenever I do it. Maybe I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll get lucky and after doing it once, everything will start working again.
Thanks,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/4/22 6:11 PM:
next beta build/g/yaac-users/messages/171 of YAAC (&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Yet Another APRS Client&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;), created 2022-Feb-04
downloadable from
??????????????? or
changes and updates include:
1. fix Serial_TNC port driver to wait long enough for the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
???? command to get to the TNC before closing the serial port, so that
???? the operating system doesn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t discard the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command bytes.
???? This fixes both core YAAC and the legacy RXTX plugin.
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Re: next beta build/g/yaac-users/messages/171 of YAAC, created 2022-Feb-04
Must be a problem in my TNC, then. It still is not returning to KISS mode on YAAC shutdown.
I think my next step is to pull the TNC out and rig up a couple switches to allow me to cut power and CMOS battery to reset out of KISS mode. Of course, I am assuming that clears all memory and I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll have to do the whole configure thing again whenever I do it. Maybe I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll get lucky and after doing it once, everything will start working again.
Thanks,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/4/22 6:11 PM:
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next beta build/g/yaac-users/messages/171 of YAAC (&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Yet Another APRS Client&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;), created 2022-Feb-04
downloadable from
or
changes and updates include:
1. fix Serial_TNC port driver to wait long enough for the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to get to the TNC before closing the serial port, so that
the operating system doesn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t discard the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command bytes.
This fixes both core YAAC and the legacy RXTX plugin.
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Re: Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Far from readable. All garbled special characters, with readable bits and pieces, like callsigns, locations, names, etc. That&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;s why I assumed it was still in KISS mode. Remember, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m from the old days, when we just had a TNC and a dumb terminal. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m fairly familiar with what &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;normal&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; packet traffic through a TNC looks like, despite my age and memory issues. I had hoped there was some way I could drop out of KISS from the PuTTY session. If there is, I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t found it yet.
To add to the confusion, I have a scanner feeding a sound card usually used for ISS SSTV, weather stuff, etc. I loaded up direwolf on that to monitor traffic and see if any of my stuff is going out. Mostly using axlisten (until I broke that, too). Traffic looked &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;normal&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; on that, while all garbled up from the TNC.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/4/22 5:59 PM:
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Ah, what does this traffic you see in the PUTTY session to the TNC look like? Complete readable TNC2-format frames, or garbled text (i.e., actual KISS-encapsulated AX.25 frames)?
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Well, most of that went over my head, sorry. Is the TCPIP/JNOS program
an app that I can run? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve never seen a JNOW prompt. Do I see that in
the TCPIP/JNOS program?
The way equipment is configured, it is not at all easy to get into the
TNC to do anything with jumpers. An added switch may ultimately be
necessary, though.
Of course if I could get WinLink Express to work with the TNC in KISS
mode, then it wouldn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t be an issue.
What I am actually doing here is, I have YAAC 24/7 running on a Linux
Mint computer. Occasionally, I have to use Winlink, so I have an A/B
switch box to switch the serial connection from the Linux computer to
the Windows computer to run WinLink Express. So, I close YAAC, flip the
switch, change frequency, launch WinLink Express, and do the Winlink
thing. When done, I close Winlink, flip the switch, back to the APRS
frequency, launch YAAC, and everything is back to normal.
At least, that is the plan. Not a lot of luck so far. I can connect to
the TNC with PuTTY and see traffic, but Winlink does not seem to
connect. I am assuming it is because the TNC is still in KISS mode.
The struggle continues.
Michael WA7SKG
Brian Webster via groups.io wrote on 2/4/22 2:47 PM:
In the mfj manual for a 1270/1274 manual it mentions that you can issue the command &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;parm ax0 255&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; from TCPIP/JNOS program to exit kiss mode from the JNOW prompt. I seem to recall another keyboard sequence to exit kiss back in the day but that may be for another brand. The manual also says you can remove jumper 5 for a bit then reinstall it. You might want to install an external switch for that jump point.
If you have the proper type of kiss port set up (in this case serial_TNC) you would use the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;TNC2 kiss&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; type and not kiss only! That should tell the TNC to exit kiss mode when closing the program.
Brian N2KGC
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael WA7SKG
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Any more thoughts on getting out of KISS mode?
Michael WA7SKG
Michael WA7SKG wrote on 2/3/22 4:47 PM:
TNC MFJ-1274 with updated TAPR firmware 1.1.8
Computer is a Dell with actual motherboard serial port (not USB adapter)
Linux Mint OS
I believe this used to work, but I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t fooled with it for a couple
years. Now, I need to switch between APRS and WinLink. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve been
struggling with pat, so I have an A/B switch to toggle between the Linux
computer running YAAC and the Windows computer running WinLink Express.
I can&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get WinLink to work with the KISS mode for some reason. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m
dealing with that separately. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m hoping that if I can get the TNC to
switch back out of KISS mode, then maybe WinLink will work.
In all likelihood, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll just end up putting in another radio and use
direwolf or something for Winlink.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 4:33 PM:
Hmmm.... What make and model of TNC are you using? And what make/model
of serial port to connect it to your computer? Also, what operating
system and version thereof are you using? Windows 11? Ubuntu Linux?
etc...
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael
WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
Okay, if I am looking at the right things...
Port Type Serial_TNC
Command string: KISS ON\r\wRESTART\r
I was closing YAAC with the X at the upper right corner. I tried with
File > Exit Program but it appears the TNC remains in KISS mode.
I double checked there were no extra YAAC windows open anywhere.
I just upgraded from 164 to 170 to be sure I didn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t miss anything, no
change.
Next idea?
Thanks for your time,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 3:37 PM:
If you shut down YAAC properly, and have the Serial_TNC port
configured with a non-blank (not the KISS-only TNC mode) command
string to switch the TNC to KISS mode, YAAC should send the KISS
command to exit KISS mode. If you did not let YAAC automatically put
the TNC into KISS mode, then it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t take it out.
Note that killing YAAC with the Linux &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;kill&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command or with Windows
Task Manager does not give YAAC a chance to send the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to the TNC. Also, YAAC has to be completely down (no
iconified windows still lurking on the desktop).
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
When I launch YAAC, it puts my TNC into KISS mode. If I want to do
something else with my TNC after closing YAAC, how do I get it out of
KISS mode? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m trying to run WinLink and it does not seem to work with
my TNC in KISS mode.
I seem to remember a discussion about this a long time ago, but don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t
remember how it works. I really don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t want to have to open the TNC and
pull the battery to get it out of KISS mode.
Thanks for any ideas.
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day.&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
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next beta build/g/yaac-users/messages/171 of YAAC, created 2022-Feb-04
next beta build/g/yaac-users/messages/171 of YAAC (&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Yet Another APRS Client&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;), created 2022-Feb-04
downloadable from
or
changes and updates include:
1. fix Serial_TNC port driver to wait long enough for the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to get to the TNC before closing the serial port, so that
the operating system doesn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t discard the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command bytes.
This fixes both core YAAC and the legacy RXTX plugin.
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Re: Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Ah, what does this traffic you see in the PUTTY session to the TNC look like? Complete readable TNC2-format frames, or garbled text (i.e., actual KISS-encapsulated AX.25 frames)? ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 8:57 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ??? Well, most of that went over my head, sorry. Is the TCPIP/JNOS program an app that I can run? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve never seen a JNOW prompt. Do I see that in the TCPIP/JNOS program? The way equipment is configured, it is not at all easy to get into the TNC to do anything with jumpers. An added switch may ultimately be necessary, though. Of course if I could get WinLink Express to work with the TNC in KISS mode, then it wouldn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t be an issue. What I am actually doing here is, I have YAAC 24/7 running on a Linux Mint computer. Occasionally, I have to use Winlink, so I have an A/B switch box to switch the serial connection from the Linux computer to the Windows computer to run WinLink Express. So, I close YAAC, flip the switch, change frequency, launch WinLink Express, and do the Winlink thing. When done, I close Winlink, flip the switch, back to the APRS frequency, launch YAAC, and everything is back to normal. At least, that is the plan. Not a lot of luck so far. I can connect to the TNC with PuTTY and see traffic, but Winlink does not seem to connect. I am assuming it is because the TNC is still in KISS mode. The struggle continues. Michael WA7SKG Brian Webster via groups.io wrote on 2/4/22 2:47 PM: In the mfj manual for a 1270/1274 manual it mentions that you can issue the command &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;parm ax0 255&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; from TCPIP/JNOS program to exit kiss mode from the JNOW prompt. I seem to recall another keyboard sequence to exit kiss back in the day but that may be for another brand. The manual also says you can remove jumper 5 for a bit then reinstall it. You might want to install an external switch for that jump point.
If you have the proper type of kiss port set up (in this case serial_TNC) you would use the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;TNC2 kiss&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; type and not kiss only! That should tell the TNC to exit kiss mode when closing the program.
Brian N2KGC
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael WA7SKG
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Any more thoughts on getting out of KISS mode?
Michael WA7SKG
Michael WA7SKG wrote on 2/3/22 4:47 PM:
TNC MFJ-1274 with updated TAPR firmware 1.1.8
Computer is a Dell with actual motherboard serial port (not USB adapter)
Linux Mint OS
I believe this used to work, but I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t fooled with it for a couple
years. Now, I need to switch between APRS and WinLink. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve been
struggling with pat, so I have an A/B switch to toggle between the Linux
computer running YAAC and the Windows computer running WinLink Express.
I can&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get WinLink to work with the KISS mode for some reason. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m
dealing with that separately. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m hoping that if I can get the TNC to
switch back out of KISS mode, then maybe WinLink will work.
In all likelihood, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll just end up putting in another radio and use
direwolf or something for Winlink.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 4:33 PM:
Hmmm.... What make and model of TNC are you using? And what make/model
of serial port to connect it to your computer? Also, what operating
system and version thereof are you using? Windows 11? Ubuntu Linux?
etc...
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael
WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
Okay, if I am looking at the right things...
Port Type Serial_TNC
Command string: KISS ON\r\wRESTART\r
I was closing YAAC with the X at the upper right corner. I tried with
File > Exit Program but it appears the TNC remains in KISS mode.
I double checked there were no extra YAAC windows open anywhere.
I just upgraded from 164 to 170 to be sure I didn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t miss anything, no
change.
Next idea?
Thanks for your time,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 3:37 PM:
If you shut down YAAC properly, and have the Serial_TNC port
configured with a non-blank (not the KISS-only TNC mode) command
string to switch the TNC to KISS mode, YAAC should send the KISS
command to exit KISS mode. If you did not let YAAC automatically put
the TNC into KISS mode, then it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t take it out.
Note that killing YAAC with the Linux &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;kill&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command or with Windows
Task Manager does not give YAAC a chance to send the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to the TNC. Also, YAAC has to be completely down (no
iconified windows still lurking on the desktop).
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
When I launch YAAC, it puts my TNC into KISS mode. If I want to do
something else with my TNC after closing YAAC, how do I get it out of
KISS mode? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m trying to run WinLink and it does not seem to work with
my TNC in KISS mode.
I seem to remember a discussion about this a long time ago, but don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t
remember how it works. I really don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t want to have to open the TNC and
pull the battery to get it out of KISS mode.
Thanks for any ideas.
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day.&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
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Re: Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Well, most of that went over my head, sorry. Is the TCPIP/JNOS program an app that I can run? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve never seen a JNOW prompt. Do I see that in the TCPIP/JNOS program?
The way equipment is configured, it is not at all easy to get into the TNC to do anything with jumpers. An added switch may ultimately be necessary, though.
Of course if I could get WinLink Express to work with the TNC in KISS mode, then it wouldn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t be an issue.
What I am actually doing here is, I have YAAC 24/7 running on a Linux Mint computer. Occasionally, I have to use Winlink, so I have an A/B switch box to switch the serial connection from the Linux computer to the Windows computer to run WinLink Express. So, I close YAAC, flip the switch, change frequency, launch WinLink Express, and do the Winlink thing. When done, I close Winlink, flip the switch, back to the APRS frequency, launch YAAC, and everything is back to normal.
At least, that is the plan. Not a lot of luck so far. I can connect to the TNC with PuTTY and see traffic, but Winlink does not seem to connect. I am assuming it is because the TNC is still in KISS mode.
The struggle continues.
Michael WA7SKG
Brian Webster via groups.io wrote on 2/4/22 2:47 PM:
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In the mfj manual for a 1270/1274 manual it mentions that you can issue the command &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;parm ax0 255&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; from TCPIP/JNOS program to exit kiss mode from the JNOW prompt. I seem to recall another keyboard sequence to exit kiss back in the day but that may be for another brand. The manual also says you can remove jumper 5 for a bit then reinstall it. You might want to install an external switch for that jump point.
If you have the proper type of kiss port set up (in this case serial_TNC) you would use the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;TNC2 kiss&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; type and not kiss only! That should tell the TNC to exit kiss mode when closing the program.
Brian N2KGC
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael WA7SKG
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Any more thoughts on getting out of KISS mode?
Michael WA7SKG
Michael WA7SKG wrote on 2/3/22 4:47 PM:
TNC MFJ-1274 with updated TAPR firmware 1.1.8
Computer is a Dell with actual motherboard serial port (not USB adapter)
Linux Mint OS
I believe this used to work, but I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t fooled with it for a couple
years. Now, I need to switch between APRS and WinLink. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve been
struggling with pat, so I have an A/B switch to toggle between the Linux
computer running YAAC and the Windows computer running WinLink Express.
I can&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get WinLink to work with the KISS mode for some reason. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m
dealing with that separately. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m hoping that if I can get the TNC to
switch back out of KISS mode, then maybe WinLink will work.
In all likelihood, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll just end up putting in another radio and use
direwolf or something for Winlink.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 4:33 PM:
Hmmm.... What make and model of TNC are you using? And what make/model
of serial port to connect it to your computer? Also, what operating
system and version thereof are you using? Windows 11? Ubuntu Linux?
etc...
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael
WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
Okay, if I am looking at the right things...
Port Type Serial_TNC
Command string: KISS ON\r\wRESTART\r
I was closing YAAC with the X at the upper right corner. I tried with
File > Exit Program but it appears the TNC remains in KISS mode.
I double checked there were no extra YAAC windows open anywhere.
I just upgraded from 164 to 170 to be sure I didn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t miss anything, no
change.
Next idea?
Thanks for your time,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 3:37 PM:
If you shut down YAAC properly, and have the Serial_TNC port
configured with a non-blank (not the KISS-only TNC mode) command
string to switch the TNC to KISS mode, YAAC should send the KISS
command to exit KISS mode. If you did not let YAAC automatically put
the TNC into KISS mode, then it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t take it out.
Note that killing YAAC with the Linux &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;kill&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command or with Windows
Task Manager does not give YAAC a chance to send the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to the TNC. Also, YAAC has to be completely down (no
iconified windows still lurking on the desktop).
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
When I launch YAAC, it puts my TNC into KISS mode. If I want to do
something else with my TNC after closing YAAC, how do I get it out of
KISS mode? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m trying to run WinLink and it does not seem to work with
my TNC in KISS mode.
I seem to remember a discussion about this a long time ago, but don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t
remember how it works. I really don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t want to have to open the TNC and
pull the battery to get it out of KISS mode.
Thanks for any ideas.
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day.&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
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Re: Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
In the mfj manual for a 1270/1274 manual it mentions that you can issue the command &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;parm ax0 255&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; from TCPIP/JNOS program to exit kiss mode from the JNOW prompt. I seem to recall another keyboard sequence to exit kiss back in the day but that may be for another brand. The manual also says you can remove jumper 5 for a bit then reinstall it. You might want to install an external switch for that jump point.
If you have the proper type of kiss port set up (in this case serial_TNC) you would use the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;TNC2 kiss&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; type and not kiss only! That should tell the TNC to exit kiss mode when closing the program.
Brian N2KGC
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael WA7SKG Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 1:47 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ??? Any more thoughts on getting out of KISS mode? Michael WA7SKG Michael WA7SKG wrote on 2/3/22 4:47 PM: TNC MFJ-1274 with updated TAPR firmware 1.1.8
Computer is a Dell with actual motherboard serial port (not USB adapter)
Linux Mint OS
I believe this used to work, but I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t fooled with it for a couple
years. Now, I need to switch between APRS and WinLink. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve been
struggling with pat, so I have an A/B switch to toggle between the Linux
computer running YAAC and the Windows computer running WinLink Express.
I can&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get WinLink to work with the KISS mode for some reason. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m
dealing with that separately. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m hoping that if I can get the TNC to
switch back out of KISS mode, then maybe WinLink will work.
In all likelihood, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll just end up putting in another radio and use
direwolf or something for Winlink.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 4:33 PM:
Hmmm.... What make and model of TNC are you using? And what make/model
of serial port to connect it to your computer? Also, what operating
system and version thereof are you using? Windows 11? Ubuntu Linux?
etc...
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael
WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
Okay, if I am looking at the right things...
Port Type Serial_TNC
Command string: KISS ON\r\wRESTART\r
I was closing YAAC with the X at the upper right corner. I tried with
File > Exit Program but it appears the TNC remains in KISS mode.
I double checked there were no extra YAAC windows open anywhere.
I just upgraded from 164 to 170 to be sure I didn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t miss anything, no
change.
Next idea?
Thanks for your time,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 3:37 PM:
If you shut down YAAC properly, and have the Serial_TNC port
configured with a non-blank (not the KISS-only TNC mode) command
string to switch the TNC to KISS mode, YAAC should send the KISS
command to exit KISS mode. If you did not let YAAC automatically put
the TNC into KISS mode, then it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t take it out.
Note that killing YAAC with the Linux &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;kill&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command or with Windows
Task Manager does not give YAAC a chance to send the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to the TNC. Also, YAAC has to be completely down (no
iconified windows still lurking on the desktop).
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
When I launch YAAC, it puts my TNC into KISS mode. If I want to do
something else with my TNC after closing YAAC, how do I get it out of
KISS mode? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m trying to run WinLink and it does not seem to work with
my TNC in KISS mode.
I seem to remember a discussion about this a long time ago, but don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t
remember how it works. I really don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t want to have to open the TNC and
pull the battery to get it out of KISS mode.
Thanks for any ideas.
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day.&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
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Re: Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Actually, no, not yet. With your configuration, YAAC should be sending a KISS protocol frame with the command code 0xFF as the first and only byte in the frame. By the KISS protocol specification, this should tell a TNC to come out of KISS mode. The question is, is the command frame getting fully sent before the serial port connection is closed? There may be a serial port buffer flushing issue, depending on how the JSSC library handles a serial port write immediately followed by a close. There certainly isn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t a mechanism presently in JSSC to force the application to wait until all the queued bytes are transmitted. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll try implementing a timed wait after the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command is sent before closing the serial port, to ensure there is enough time for the three bytes of the command to actually get &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;on the wire&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; and over to the TNC before the operating system closes the serial port (and possibly discards queued but unsent bytes). Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 1:46 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode ??? Any more thoughts on getting out of KISS mode? Michael WA7SKG Michael WA7SKG wrote on 2/3/22 4:47 PM: TNC MFJ-1274 with updated TAPR firmware 1.1.8
Computer is a Dell with actual motherboard serial port (not USB adapter)
Linux Mint OS
I believe this used to work, but I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t fooled with it for a couple
years. Now, I need to switch between APRS and WinLink. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve been
struggling with pat, so I have an A/B switch to toggle between the Linux
computer running YAAC and the Windows computer running WinLink Express.
I can&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get WinLink to work with the KISS mode for some reason. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m
dealing with that separately. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m hoping that if I can get the TNC to
switch back out of KISS mode, then maybe WinLink will work.
In all likelihood, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll just end up putting in another radio and use
direwolf or something for Winlink.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 4:33 PM:
Hmmm.... What make and model of TNC are you using? And what make/model
of serial port to connect it to your computer? Also, what operating
system and version thereof are you using? Windows 11? Ubuntu Linux?
etc...
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael
WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
Okay, if I am looking at the right things...
Port Type Serial_TNC
Command string: KISS ON\r\wRESTART\r
I was closing YAAC with the X at the upper right corner. I tried with
File > Exit Program but it appears the TNC remains in KISS mode.
I double checked there were no extra YAAC windows open anywhere.
I just upgraded from 164 to 170 to be sure I didn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t miss anything, no
change.
Next idea?
Thanks for your time,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 3:37 PM:
If you shut down YAAC properly, and have the Serial_TNC port
configured with a non-blank (not the KISS-only TNC mode) command
string to switch the TNC to KISS mode, YAAC should send the KISS
command to exit KISS mode. If you did not let YAAC automatically put
the TNC into KISS mode, then it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t take it out.
Note that killing YAAC with the Linux &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;kill&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command or with Windows
Task Manager does not give YAAC a chance to send the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
command to the TNC. Also, YAAC has to be completely down (no
iconified windows still lurking on the desktop).
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
When I launch YAAC, it puts my TNC into KISS mode. If I want to do
something else with my TNC after closing YAAC, how do I get it out of
KISS mode? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m trying to run WinLink and it does not seem to work with
my TNC in KISS mode.
I seem to remember a discussion about this a long time ago, but don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t
remember how it works. I really don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t want to have to open the TNC and
pull the battery to get it out of KISS mode.
Thanks for any ideas.
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day.&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
|
Re: Return TNC From KISS Mode ???
Any more thoughts on getting out of KISS mode?
Michael WA7SKG
Michael WA7SKG wrote on 2/3/22 4:47 PM:
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Show quoted text
TNC MFJ-1274 with updated TAPR firmware 1.1.8
Computer is a Dell with actual motherboard serial port (not USB adapter)
Linux Mint OS
I believe this used to work, but I haven&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t fooled with it for a couple years. Now, I need to switch between APRS and WinLink. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ve been struggling with pat, so I have an A/B switch to toggle between the Linux computer running YAAC and the Windows computer running WinLink Express. I can&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t get WinLink to work with the KISS mode for some reason. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m dealing with that separately. I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m hoping that if I can get the TNC to switch back out of KISS mode, then maybe WinLink will work.
In all likelihood, I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;ll just end up putting in another radio and use direwolf or something for Winlink.
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 4:33 PM:
Hmmm.... What make and model of TNC are you using? And what make/model of serial port to connect it to your computer? Also, what operating system and version thereof are you using? Windows 11? Ubuntu Linux? etc...
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
Okay, if I am looking at the right things...
Port Type Serial_TNC
Command string: KISS ON\r\wRESTART\r
I was closing YAAC with the X at the upper right corner. I tried with
File > Exit Program but it appears the TNC remains in KISS mode.
I double checked there were no extra YAAC windows open anywhere.
I just upgraded from 164 to 170 to be sure I didn&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t miss anything, no
change.
Next idea?
Thanks for your time,
Michael
Andrew P. wrote on 2/3/22 3:37 PM:
If you shut down YAAC properly, and have the Serial_TNC port configured with a non-blank (not the KISS-only TNC mode) command string to switch the TNC to KISS mode, YAAC should send the KISS command to exit KISS mode. If you did not let YAAC automatically put the TNC into KISS mode, then it won&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t take it out.
Note that killing YAAC with the Linux &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;kill&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command or with Windows Task Manager does not give YAAC a chance to send the &/g/yaac-users/messages/34;exit KISS&/g/yaac-users/messages/34; command to the TNC. Also, YAAC has to be completely down (no iconified windows still lurking on the desktop).
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] Return TNC From KISS Mode
When I launch YAAC, it puts my TNC into KISS mode. If I want to do
something else with my TNC after closing YAAC, how do I get it out of
KISS mode? I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m trying to run WinLink and it does not seem to work with
my TNC in KISS mode.
I seem to remember a discussion about this a long time ago, but don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t
remember how it works. I really don&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;t want to have to open the TNC and
pull the battery to get it out of KISS mode.
Thanks for any ideas.
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day.&/g/yaac-users/messages/34;
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Re: YAAC restarts on RPi if exited using window X
Whew! I&/g/yaac-users/messages/39;m glad to hear this. I was wondering how the users were getting themselves into this state, because I knew there was nothing coded into YAAC itself that would do this. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of km4ack <jason.oleham@...> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 7:28 AM I am running YAAC 1.0 beta 170 29-Jan-2022 on a Raspberry Pi. If I exit YAAC by clicking on the X in the upper right of the window, YAAC restarts, If I select File > Exit program, then it ends without restarting. This behavior also happened on v167. I upgraded to the latest version to be sure it was not fixed. YAAC does not restart if I close it by clicking on the X on Windows 10. -- -- Bill AA6BD Are you using Build a Pi? If so, there is an issue in my code that is causing YAAC to restart. This should be resolved in the next release of Build a Pi. 73, de KM4ACK
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Danny K5CG
Michael WA7SKG
Brian Webster