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Re: WiThrottle "Not Set" Issues CONTINUED- "Stump the Band" FOLLOW-UP
Dear Gents,
ALSO. Explain why I get the same issues on the club layout with a
totally different server?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock
On 7/26/18 7:15 AM, Classic Auto
Portraits wrote:
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OK Spuds and Fellahs,
Here's the ultimate WiThrottle "Stump the Band" question:
After multiple attempts at installing WiThrottle with the same
repeated dissapointing results as shown below. I eliminated every
other possible element that might be inteferring, for as clean a
"test" as possible. SAME RESULT.
WTF????????
SYSTEM: Digitrax DCS240 Advanced Command Station, LNWI WiFi Server
SEQUENCE:
? Quit JRMI
? Shut down MacBook Pro (the system with JMRI on it)
? Delete WiThrottle App from iPad
? Download new "clean" WiThrottle App to iPad (iPad running IOS
10.3.3 "up to date")
? Set WiFi on iPad: Dtx1-LnServer_0BFF-7
? Launch WiThrotttle
? Confirm iPad is communicating with Digitrax LNWI WiFi Server by
turning "Track Power" On and Off and On again- Locomotives on
track, #7614 and #6035 respond with start-up sounds, turn off,
then start-up sounds again.
? Enter 7614 in "New Entry" window- press "Set" button. Immediate
"Loco 7614(L) in Use Would you like to acquire this address?"
prompt. Press "Yes" button, keyboard slides up momentarily, then
down. Not Set in
address window. Repeated pressing of "Yes" button, same result. Not Set.
? Enter 6035 in "New Entry" window- press "Set" button. Immediate
"Loco 6035(L) in Use Would you like to acquire this address?"
prompt. Press "Yes" button, keyboard slides up momentarily, then
down. Not Set in
address window. Repeated pressing of "Yes" button, same result. Not Set.
? 7614(L) and 6035(L) appeared "Recents" column. Click on each
"Recents" address. Number populates "New Entry" window. Press Set
button. Same result. Not Set.
Odd readout? See first screen to left.
Current Server: Unknown
on: None Selected
SSID: Dtx1-LnServer¨C0BFF-7
Looks like WiThrottle "sees" the LNWI WiFi Server
Dtx1-LnServer¨C0BFF-7, so why the "Current Server: Unknown on: None Selected
listings?"
OK Obi-Wans what now? ;>)
Regards,
Luke-Robert
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WiThrottle "Not Set" Issues CONTINUED- "Stump the Band"
OK Spuds and Fellahs,
Here's the ultimate WiThrottle "Stump the Band" question:
After multiple attempts at installing WiThrottle with the same
repeated dissapointing results as shown below. I eliminated every
other possible element that might be inteferring, for as clean a
"test" as possible. SAME RESULT.
WTF????????
SYSTEM: Digitrax DCS240 Advanced Command Station, LNWI WiFi Server
SEQUENCE:
? Quit JRMI
? Shut down MacBook Pro (the system with JMRI on it)
? Delete WiThrottle App from iPad
? Download new "clean" WiThrottle App to iPad (iPad running IOS
10.3.3 "up to date")
? Set WiFi on iPad: Dtx1-LnServer_0BFF-7
? Launch WiThrotttle
? Confirm iPad is communicating with Digitrax LNWI WiFi Server by
turning "Track Power" On and Off and On again- Locomotives on track,
#7614 and #6035 respond with start-up sounds, turn off, then
start-up sounds again.
? Enter 7614 in "New Entry" window- press "Set" button. Immediate
"Loco 7614(L) in Use Would you like to acquire this address?"
prompt. Press "Yes" button, keyboard slides up momentarily, then
down. Not Set in address window.
Repeated pressing of "Yes" button, same result. Not Set.
? Enter 6035 in "New Entry" window- press "Set" button. Immediate
"Loco 6035(L) in Use Would you like to acquire this address?"
prompt. Press "Yes" button, keyboard slides up momentarily, then
down. Not Set in address window.
Repeated pressing of "Yes" button, same result. Not Set.
? 7614(L) and 6035(L) appeared "Recents" column. Click on each
"Recents" address. Number populates "New Entry" window. Press Set
button. Same result. Not Set.
Odd readout? See first screen to left.
Current Server: Unknown
on: None Selected
SSID: Dtx1-LnServer¨C0BFF-7
Looks like WiThrottle "sees" the LNWI WiFi Server
Dtx1-LnServer¨C0BFF-7, so why the "Current Server: Unknown on: None Selected listings?"
OK Obi-Wans what now? ;>)
Regards,
Luke-Robert
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Re: Operations With Staging Yard
Here's the help link to how staging tracks work:
Dan
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Re: 2 way working on single track - signals
Hi Peter
In tools->Sections>Tools->"Set Direction Sensors In Logic"
If that fails:
tools->tables->Signals->SignalMastLogic", find the signal ->edit->sensor tab,
and select the sensors you want "Apply"
Or via the LayoutPanel: Alternate Click on the mast to bring up the
menu->"signal mast logic : {mastname}"-> find the destination mast in the
list->edit -> select the sensors tab, add the sensors you want and "Apply"
Steve G
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From: "Peter Riggall via Groups.Io" <petermmrs@...>
Date: July 26, 2018 at 7:54 AM
My end-to-end layout includes a mainline single track designated for two way
working.
It is described in a JMRI Layout Panel that includes Blocks that have
occupancy sensor feedback.? Signalling uses Signal Masts to a definition that
I have created for Australian Victorian methods and I have also defined
Sections (using auto generate) for each signal pair and set up Transits to
route from West to East.?
I would expect the signals in the opposite direction to remain RED, however,
as a train traverses and vacates the Block that the opposite Signal protects,
the signal changes from Red to Caution.
The Sections documentation of JMRI indicates that the internal direction
Sensors "may be used in signal logic to force signals for travel in the
direction opposite to the allocated direction to RED", but I cannot find
anywhere how to achieve this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in anticipation.
Peter
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
The web page that Marcus Ammann put together (with assistance from me) explains both how to make a loopback connector and also how use JMRI to test the looped-back connection. It was written specifically to diagnose problems with NCE Power Pro, USB to Serial cables and JMRI. <>
No terminal program needed for this loopback test.
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On 26 Jul 2018, at 8:32 PM, jimalbanowski < jimalbanowski@...> wrote: If all looks good and we still have a problem I would look at a loop back connector and a terminal program... which so far I haven't found for the Pi... sigh... I'll keep looking.... The idea is to be sure that even though the USB is detected we're actually getting data out and in...
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2 way working on single track - signals
My end-to-end layout includes a mainline single track designated for two way working.
It is described in a JMRI Layout Panel that includes Blocks that have occupancy sensor feedback.? Signalling uses Signal Masts to a definition that I have created for Australian Victorian methods and I have also defined Sections (using auto generate) for each signal pair and set up Transits to route from West to East.?
I would expect the signals in the opposite direction to remain RED, however, as a train traverses and vacates the Block that the opposite Signal protects, the signal changes from Red to Caution.
The Sections documentation of JMRI indicates that the internal direction Sensors "may be used in signal logic to force signals for travel in the direction opposite to the allocated direction to RED", but I cannot find anywhere how to achieve this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in anticipation.
Peter
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
If all looks good and we still have a problem I would look at a loop back connector
and a terminal program... which so far I haven't found for the Pi... sigh... I'll keep looking.... Putty? Free SSH & Telnet client.
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
Okay, found two terminal emulators that work on the Pi with Stretch... PuTTY and Cutecom Standard install... sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get install putty or sudo apt-get install cutecom Found my loop back DB9 (2-3,4-6,7-8) Set the port settings in each program for ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1 and can see data. If that works then there no problem with the USB dongle. We have some other problem either with JMRI end or C/MRI end. Jim Albanowski
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
Raspberry pi Console run sudo lsusb
It will show the USB device types connected not the port name but it's the first step to be sure the Raspbian is seeing the device.
Then I would go in JMRI and open the prefs and look at the connections list for the ttyUSBn's With two USB adapters you should have a ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1.
If all looks good and we still have a problem I would look at a loop back connector and a terminal program... which so far I haven't found for the Pi... sigh... I'll keep looking.... The idea is to be sure that even though the USB is detected we're actually getting data out and in...
Jim Albanowski
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
Also: The most useful further information you can give us is the JMRI System Console log. It can be seen by either: - Going to the Help->System Console menu item, using the Copy to Clipboard button and pasting into a message to the group. - Going to the Help->Locations menu item, clicking on "Open Log Files Location" and uploading the "session.log" file found therein to a folder (with your name) in the "Problems being worked on" folder.
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flakey means when i first hooked it up, it worked fine and i made trains move with a jmri throttle. for comfort, i rebooted the pi and then it did not work. not the normal "missing serial port, here is the prefs window to play with", but a red message on the main panelpro window saying the connection was not on.
of course it was time to quit for the night, so i'll play more in a couple days.
the command station is nce ph-pro, and it is about 20 feet away. homemade cable from nce to adapter from cat5 cable with soldered on 9 pin connectors.
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
Several possibilities:
1) The port name changed across the reboot. To check this, enter the following command exactly (with spaces and punctuation but excluding the outmost quotes) and press Enter. "while : ;do clear;ls -lt /dev|head;i=$((i+1));echo $i;sleep 1;done" The command will sit looping and displaying 10 entries. Unplug/replug the adaptor and watch what port name appears/disappears.
2) You manually changed permissions for the port. This does not persist across a reboot. You need to ensure you are a member of the correct group. I'll have to let a Pi expert comment on that.
3) Since you have a Power Pro, there can be a hardware-related connection flakiness issue. For details and fix, take a look at: <>
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On 26 Jul 2018, at 6:29 AM, cmitcham@... wrote: flakey means when i first hooked it up, it worked fine and i made trains move with a jmri throttle. for comfort, i rebooted the pi and then it did not work. not the normal "missing serial port, here is the prefs window to play with", but a red message on the main panelpro window saying the connection was not on.
of course it was time to quit for the night, so i'll play more in a couple days.
the command station is nce ph-pro, and it is about 20 feet away. homemade cable from nce to adapter from cat5 cable with soldered on 9 pin connectors.
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Re: Newbie Alastair's Decoder Pro programming problem (must be an easy fix I hope)
Thanks for those photos. They answer several of our questions.
The most useful further information you can give us is the JMRI System Console log. It can be seen by either: - Going to the Help->System Console menu item, using the Copy to Clipboard button and pasting into a message to the group. - Going to the Help->Locations menu item, clicking on "Open Log Files Location" and uploading the "session.log" file found therein to a folder (with your name) in the "Problems being worked on" folder.
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On 26 Jul 2018, at 12:41 AM, Alastair < Raider844@...> wrote: And then press ¡°Program¡± nothing happens.
Nothing happens whether I am in ¡°Programming Track¡±, Programming on Main¡± or ¡°Edit Only¡±.
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So I can add locos but after I save them to the roster I cannot program them any further.
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Please can someone help me sort this ?
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Re: WiThrottle and JMRI Questions
Dear Spuds,
I deleted the one slot entry. It was not a road number, but an
EOS..? slot. Sorry, I should've taken a screen shot.
Still having the same issues with the WIThrottle not allowing me to
address certain loco numbers:
Once I've programmed an address, in this case 6035, when I try to
enter the address a second time I get the prompt: "Loco 6035(L)
In-Use Would you like to acquire this address?" When I click the YES
button nothing happens, even with repeated pressing. When I click
the NO button the window disappears, but the cycle repeats and
remains NOT SET. This seems totally random. For example I just tried
entering "03," which has not been a problem. Now I get the same
prompt.
I can acquire, control and release all numbers with the JMRI
throttle.
I can acquire, control and release all numbers with the Digitrax 402
throttle.
This has really got me stumped.
Attached below as a JPEG are screenshots of all the JMRI screens in
my current configuration. Perhaps this will give us a clue?
Regards,
Robert Diepenbrock
On 7/25/18 1:53 AM, Spuds McCat wrote:
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You should always dispatch a loco, stealing is
bad. :)
Is your phone connected to the same wifi Jmri
is, and as such using withrottle, or on the lnwi's private
wifi, and as such talking to it?
I suggest opening up (under loconet) the slot
monitor, and clearing the slots with the misbehaving engine
numbers.
Dear Spuds,
Thanks for your reply.
I Upgraded to JMRI 4.12 which solved the iso-track
programming issue.
Still having the WiThrottle issue. I have a query into JMRI
tech Support.
The WiThrottle will not allow me to change addresses. Once
I've programmed an address, in this case 6035, when I try to
enter the address a second time I get the prompt: "Loco
6035(L) In-Use Would you like to acquire this address?" When
I click the YES button nothing happens, even with repeated
pressing. When I click the NO button the window disappears,
but the cycle repeats and remains NOT SET. I tried to delete
the Roster addresses, It's like the WiThrottle gets
"stuck."I also get the prompt "Unable to load JMRI WebServer
page."
This issue is across three different devices, one iPad and 2
iPhone, get the same prompt and the same non-function.
This issue only occurs with certain 4 digit numbers. Below
is a comparison "Chart."
Loco Address??? Digitrax Throttle??? JMRI Throttle
(computer)??? WiThrottle
6005??? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK
6035??? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? NO
6051 ?? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK
7614??? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? NO
3??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK
See images below:
An additional issue is I can't get JMRI ProgramPro Throttle
(on my computer) to run locomotives.
The Digitrax throttle runs everything fine.?
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Any ideas?
THANKS in advance for the help.
Robert Diepenbrock
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4.10 has some loconet slot 'issues',
upgrade to 4.12 which came out last week.?
How is the computer/Jmri connected to
the 240?
The LW?I is independant from JMRI, a
phone connected to it wont show in JMRI
Dear
JMRI Users,
I just joined the group and this is my first post. To
all you WiThrottle-JMRI-Mac "gurus,"
I recently converted my N Scale layout from DC to DCC.
I installed a Digitrax DSC240 Advance Command Station
with Digitrax LNWI Loconet Wifi Interface.
I downloaded JMRI Panel Pro and Decoder Pro 4.10
Software and installed it on my MacBook Pro running
OSX 10.10.2 Yosemite
I purchased, downloaded and installed WiThrottle on my
iPad.
The Digitrax DSC240 Advance Command Station is
connected to an isolated programming track per the
manual. The WiThrottle is connected via the Digitrax
LNWI Loconet Wifi Interface.
I'm having two issues:
1. I cannot program any locomotives on the
isolated programming track.
The JMRI Decoder Pro software is giving me
the prompt: "Programmer error. Programmer busy (302)"
(See JPEG image below)
The WiThrottle JMRI webpage states:
302 ¡ª programmer busyThe command station has reported
that it's busy doing something else, and can't do any
programming right now.This usually means that some
other part of the DCC system is doing a programming
operation, e.g. a hand-held throttle.Some DCC systems
can't do ops-mode programming (programming on the
main) while also using the service mode programming
track, in which case they'll return this error
message.
I'm not doing any programming anywhere else on the
layout.______________________
2. The WiThrottle will not allow me to change
addresses.After entering address the address is
displayed in "Recents." Once I've programmed an
address, in this case 6035, when I try to enter the
address a second time I get the prompt: "Loco 6035(L)
In-Use Would you like to acquire this address?" When I
click the YES button nothing happens, even with
repeated pressing. When I click the NO button the
window disappears, but the cycle repeats and remains
NOT SET. I tried to delete the Roster addresses, It's
like the WiThrottle gets "stuck."I also get the prompt
"Unable to load JMRI WebServer page." It appears that
the WiThrottle is not "seeing" the the server" (my
MacBook Pro).See JPEG graphic below.
The PanelPro appears to "see" the WiThrottle in the
"Advertising WiThrottle" window, but no device is
showing the the Device Name window. The DecoderPro
doesn't "see" the WiThrottle in the "Advertising
WiThrottle" window, and no device is showing the the
Device Name window. See JPEG graphics in photo section
under WiThrottle and JMRI Questions.
I suspect these issues may be connected and may have
to do with the drivers.
PLEASE ADVISE,Regards,Robert Diepenbrock
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
flakey means when i first hooked it up, it worked fine and i made trains move with a jmri throttle. for comfort, i rebooted the pi and then it did not work. not the normal "missing serial port, here is the prefs window to play with", but a red message on the main panelpro window saying the connection was not on.
of course it was time to quit for the night, so i'll play more in a couple days.
the command station is nce ph-pro, and it is about 20 feet away. homemade cable from nce to adapter from cat5 cable with soldered on 9 pin connectors.
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Re: Operations With Staging Yard
Phil,
If you have a train on each track in staging, you need to either add another "virtual" empty track in staging for the train to return to. Or change the build mode to "Aggressive" and select the option to "Make the departure track available after train is built".? This tells the program to reuse a staging track even if the train hasn't departed.? Here's the link to the help:
http://jmri.sourceforge.net/help/en/package/jmri/jmrit/operations/Operations.shtml#SettingsOptions
Dan
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Operations with Staging yard
Here is how I solved it where the length of the track is limited and so the switcher could not put cars back on the track until I added another track the same length. ? This is a separate location (Red Bluff-1) from the industries (Red Bluff industries) ? ? Switcher Route looks like this: ? ? ? At another location where my interchange track was longer than needed for setouts and pickups, this was not needed. ?However, in Red Bluff I wanted the program to limit how many cars were set out on the interchange track after crews complained about too much work in that location. ? Hope this helps, ? Gary Ray
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Hi Phil,
I'm just finishing up programming my newly expanded layout and have run into that problem. The cause was the staging track is not freed until the current train is terminated. I had the train return to a ghost track of the same length. For example - staging and staging-1. Hope this helps.
Gary Ray (learning - not an expert)
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Phil Miller Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:03 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [jmriusers] Operations With Staging Yard I am transitioning from car card/waybill car forwarding to JMRI generated switchlist. The standard gauge portion of my layout is a switching layout in which trains enter from staging heading to a single destination, drop their cars, pick up cars from either a west bound or east bound departure track, and return to the staging track from which they came. There are four trains currently in staging. The car roster has been built and locations generated and entered on the roster. I have been trying to build the trains in staging with no luck. The build report gives the reason for failure as ¡°Note that the program requires an empty staging track for each train! All staging tracks are occupied, reserved, or cannot service the train.¡± For each staging track I have specified the train designation for that track, car type serviced by the track, and verified that the car roster current locations match with the car type served. Thank you for your assistance. Phil
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Thanks Dave for sending the panel back to me, i managed to run it in "offline" mode but as soon as i changed the dispatcher settings to My layout i got the same problem.
Looking at the connection bit, i noticed it was connecting to "My Layout" with "Signal Heads", as soon as i changed this to "signal masts" the problems went away.
I have now managed to dispatch a train round half of the layout so that is great progress!
Thanks for your help.
Tim
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I am transitioning from car card/waybill car forwarding to JMRI generated switchlist. The standard gauge portion of my layout is a switching layout in which trains enter from staging heading to a single destination, drop their cars, pick up cars from either a west bound or east bound departure track, and return to the staging track from which they came. There are four trains currently in staging. The car roster has been built and locations generated and entered on the roster. I have been trying to build the trains in staging with no luck. The build report gives the reason for failure as ¡°Note that the program requires an empty staging track for each train! All staging tracks are occupied, reserved, or cannot service the train.¡± For each staging track I have specified the train designation for that track, car type serviced by the track, and verified that the car roster current locations match with the car type served. Thank you for your assistance.
Phil
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Hi Dave,? Just to follow up, i have tried to follow the same, delete everything let JMRI auto allocate signal paths / sections & also doing it manually, etc etc but it seems to get stuck on the same bits
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0006(UM 1:1), 1 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0007(UM 5), 2 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0008(UM 1:3), 2 anchor point signal heads missing [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0005(UM 1:2), 1 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ERROR - Unexpected error in getDirectionForBlocks when working with LevelCrossing in Section IY:AUTO:0006 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0006(UM 1:1), 1 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
Would it be possible to upload the panel you created so i can do a compare contrast?
Interestingly when i was working on it last night the top right section was showing as assigned to a block, it was only when i re-opened the file today did it show as un-assigned.
Many thanks
Tim
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