I suspect that or the op may
just be too thin skinned for whatever reason.
He had available to come back
and took it just to complain. Goodbye is
fine, it would have been much better if he had asked why and
read the
answers.
As far as I could see, no one
sent anything to the disgruntled op, just
created a string on none FT817 stuff on here. Too bad, maybe?
Let us get back to FT817
relevant discussions.
73, Joe, K8JP/K5
On 3/21/2022 10:56 PM, Liz wrote:
Thanks for that.
I am concerned that the OP took offence, and maybe a lot more is
happening to them than we will ever know.
Liz
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 09:03:00 -0700 "Martyn Bell #admin" <martyn@...> wrote: Although this member has now left, I thought I'd put the actual logs
as to why this happened. The member or his email program actually
reported Groups.io as spam and was automatically removed, this is not
something any of the admins has done it's a feature of the group's.io
interface. It happens quite often and there was no need for him to
take offence, the error was at his end. If you report something as
spam when it's not it can cause issues for the whole groups.io
community so the system boots you out but you can easily rejoin. All
this is beyond admins control. Screenshot below. Martyn M0TEB #admin
Thanks for that. I am concerned that the OP took offence, and maybe a lot more is happening to them than we will ever know. Liz VK2XSE
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Is there a FT -991A group ? You will be very happy with the FT-991A. It is a great radio.
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Hello to all. Is there a FT -991A group ? Just got one recently and am very happy with it. Built-in tuner, using a Chameleon EMCONN II, with 60 ft wire.? Cheers, 73 Rich W1GBB Pocasset, Mass.? Cape Cod USA
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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I don't know how N1EVH went this long without having experienced being kicked off a list. I've been bounced off more than one Yahoo group and many times off the AMSAT listserv. Over the years I've had to resubscribe or change web browser. I think the first Yahoo group I joined was this 817group. The big topic was heated discussion about Power Poles (Anderson connectors) pro and con and what to do about finals zapping. But, to be clear about it, this group has been very, very helpful over the years. I've always appreciated the work of the moderators.
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I don't know how N1EVH went this long without having experienced being kicked off a list. I've been bounced off more than one Yahoo group and many times off the AMSAT listserv. Over the years I've had to resubscribe or change web browser. I think the first Yahoo group I joined was this 817group. The big topic was heated discussion about Power Poles (Anderson connectors) pro and con and what to do about finals zapping. But, to be clear about it, this group has been very, very helpful over the years. I've always appreciated the work of the moderators.
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I hope email clients to not send automatic replies. That would be a great way for spammers to verify their spam lists...
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Hi all ? My understanding is there was no human involvement in this process, so apologies to the user but it is out of our control.
Just for full transparency the only time that a spam message would prompt manual action from moderators would be for a first time subscriber. In that case the moderators get a notification of the first post, and make a judgement whether to accept or reject the user. It is very obvious if someone?is attempt to spam the group.
I am happy to accept email to my personal account from any group member who would like clarification of their membership status, or if they have any issues.
Have a nice day. Regards, Mark.
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 at 13:08, Paul Goelz < pgoelz@...> wrote: On 3/20/2022 7:07 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote:
> Presumably, the OP 'fat-fingered' his email client and mistakenly grouped in a email with several other emails and 'marked them as spam'.
>
> Ken, N2VIP
I am not sure but it may also be possible that some spam filters trigger
this behavior automatically, without the knowledge of the user.
In any event, it is annoying but essentially harmless since the action
is accompanied by a re-subscribe Email.
Paul
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Rochester Hills, MI? USA
pgoelz@...
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On 3/20/2022 7:07 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote: Presumably, the OP 'fat-fingered' his email client and mistakenly grouped in a groups.io email with several other emails and 'marked them as spam'.
Ken, N2VIP I am not sure but it may also be possible that some spam filters trigger this behavior automatically, without the knowledge of the user. In any event, it is annoying but essentially harmless since the action is accompanied by a re-subscribe Email. Paul -- Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA pgoelz@... www.pgoelz.com
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As a reminder, the reason the group moved was because Yahoo killed Yahoo Groups.
I'm in 12-18 groups.io groups, and I've never heard of this issue before. If it was as I described, an appropriate reaction to a member tagging an email as spam, then this isn't a problem - it's exactly what it should do.
If you send someone an email, and they tell you they consider your email spam, would you keep sending that member emails from that group, or would start challenging their opinion?
In this case he was told he was unsubscribed, and told how to reverse the action and resubscribe.
If this is wrong, how should groups.io react when a member tags their groups.io email as spam and tells groups.io as much?
The OP effectively said stop sending me emails (either through their actions or settings in their email client), then complained when he was unsubscribed... Ken, N2VIP
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On Mar 20, 2022, at 20:26, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io <N1KHB@...> wrote:
?I miss yahoo groups. I don't recall any such problems there.?
Joe n1khb
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:17 PM, Doug Jackson <doug@...> wrote: Yes,?
I see unsubscription notices for various?groups I am involved with multiple times a day - Your description is exactly what happened.
The OP may not have even 'fat fingered' anything - some email clients are very sensitive when it comes to their spam settings.
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
ph: 0414 986878
Check out my awesome clocks at Follow my amateur radio adventures at
----------------------------------------------------------- Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for your own use.?
Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the imminent Zombie?Apocalypse then the sender bears no?personal, legal, or moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its?usage unless the result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes?in which case the sender takes full credit?without any theoretical or actual?legal liability. :-)
Be nice to your parents.
Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a radio?station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you happy. ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G?
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 at 10:08, Ken N2VIP < ken@...> wrote: I'm not 100% clear on this, can someone verify this is roughly what transpired:
OP was a subscriber to the group
OP marked (perhaps inadvertently) a groups.ip email as spam
His mail client informed that an email sent was spam
Groups.io acted on the spam notice, unsubscribed the member, and sent a note exposing what happened and how to reverse the action (re-subscribe)
Frustrated he was unsubscribed "for no reason" he resubscribes, sends a goodbye message, then unsubscribed.
that is what appears to have happened, best as I can figure.
Presumably, the OP 'fat-fingered' his email client and mistakenly grouped in a email with several other emails and 'marked them as spam'.
Ken, N2VIP
> On Mar 20, 2022, at 16:04, Paul Goelz <pgoelz@...> wrote:
>
> ?On 3/20/2022 4:34 PM, Ron Wright via wrote:
>> Paul,
>> Are you sure the email about your address being removed was from yahoo or the group or was it a scammer.
>> Like the many emails telling my bank account has been frozen from bank I never heard of.
>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>
> Well, on the two lists I own and manage, when this happens the unsubscribe / re-subscribe Email is definitely legitimate and from .
>
> So far, no one on my lists has failed to re-subscribe and gotten lost. They usually re-subscribe within minutes.? The interesting thing is that as far as I can recall, this has never happened more than once to a given user.
>
> Paul
> WA9PUL
>
> --
> Paul Goelz
> Rochester Hills, MI? USA
> pgoelz@...
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I miss yahoo groups. I don't recall any such problems there.?
Joe n1khb
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:17 PM, Doug Jackson <doug@...> wrote: Yes,?
I see unsubscription notices for various?groups I am involved with multiple times a day - Your description is exactly what happened.
The OP may not have even 'fat fingered' anything - some email clients are very sensitive when it comes to their spam settings.
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
ph: 0414 986878
Check out my awesome clocks at Follow my amateur radio adventures at
----------------------------------------------------------- Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for your own use.?
Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the imminent Zombie?Apocalypse then the sender bears no?personal, legal, or moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its?usage unless the result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes?in which case the sender takes full credit?without any theoretical or actual?legal liability. :-)
Be nice to your parents.
Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a radio?station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you happy. ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G?
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 at 10:08, Ken N2VIP < ken@...> wrote: I'm not 100% clear on this, can someone verify this is roughly what transpired:
OP was a subscriber to the group
OP marked (perhaps inadvertently) a groups.ip email as spam
His mail client informed that an email sent was spam
Groups.io acted on the spam notice, unsubscribed the member, and sent a note exposing what happened and how to reverse the action (re-subscribe)
Frustrated he was unsubscribed "for no reason" he resubscribes, sends a goodbye message, then unsubscribed.
that is what appears to have happened, best as I can figure.
Presumably, the OP 'fat-fingered' his email client and mistakenly grouped in a email with several other emails and 'marked them as spam'.
Ken, N2VIP
> On Mar 20, 2022, at 16:04, Paul Goelz <pgoelz@...> wrote:
>
> ?On 3/20/2022 4:34 PM, Ron Wright via wrote:
>> Paul,
>> Are you sure the email about your address being removed was from yahoo or the group or was it a scammer.
>> Like the many emails telling my bank account has been frozen from bank I never heard of.
>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>
> Well, on the two lists I own and manage, when this happens the unsubscribe / re-subscribe Email is definitely legitimate and from .
>
> So far, no one on my lists has failed to re-subscribe and gotten lost. They usually re-subscribe within minutes.? The interesting thing is that as far as I can recall, this has never happened more than once to a given user.
>
> Paul
> WA9PUL
>
> --
> Paul Goelz
> Rochester Hills, MI? USA
> pgoelz@...
>
>
>
>
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Hi Ken,
That could certainly be the likely scenario.
As admin I can only see the logs of what happened and not what was done to trigger it.
Across all my groups I see this most days and I don't know exactly how it's done. It's happening to a close friend of mine on a regular basis and I've always put it down to clumsy fingers but I may be wrong.
It's never happened to me personally but I do have my own email server and minimal client, my ISP is also a business provider with zero restrictions or filtering so I don't tend to get these issues.
Here in the UK two of the main residential ISPs (BTinternet & Sky) seem to have the most problems when it comes to this sort of thing. Btinternet is notorious for filtering emails including by content and one of the worst for bouncing emails. Sky mark a lot of genuine as spam.
Regards
Martyn
M0TEB?
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Yes,?
I see unsubscription notices for various?groups I am involved with multiple times a day - Your description is exactly what happened.
The OP may not have even 'fat fingered' anything - some email clients are very sensitive when it comes to their spam settings.
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
ph: 0414 986878
Check out my awesome clocks at Follow my amateur radio adventures at
----------------------------------------------------------- Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for your own use.?
Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the imminent Zombie?Apocalypse then the sender bears no?personal, legal, or moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its?usage unless the result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes?in which case the sender takes full credit?without any theoretical or actual?legal liability. :-)
Be nice to your parents.
Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a radio?station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you happy. ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G?
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 at 10:08, Ken N2VIP < ken@...> wrote: I'm not 100% clear on this, can someone verify this is roughly what transpired:
OP was a subscriber to the group
OP marked (perhaps inadvertently) a groups.ip email as spam
His mail client informed that an email sent was spam
Groups.io acted on the spam notice, unsubscribed the member, and sent a note exposing what happened and how to reverse the action (re-subscribe)
Frustrated he was unsubscribed "for no reason" he resubscribes, sends a goodbye message, then unsubscribed.
that is what appears to have happened, best as I can figure.
Presumably, the OP 'fat-fingered' his email client and mistakenly grouped in a email with several other emails and 'marked them as spam'.
Ken, N2VIP
> On Mar 20, 2022, at 16:04, Paul Goelz <pgoelz@...> wrote:
>
> ?On 3/20/2022 4:34 PM, Ron Wright via wrote:
>> Paul,
>> Are you sure the email about your address being removed was from yahoo or the group or was it a scammer.
>> Like the many emails telling my bank account has been frozen from bank I never heard of.
>> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>
> Well, on the two lists I own and manage, when this happens the unsubscribe / re-subscribe Email is definitely legitimate and from .
>
> So far, no one on my lists has failed to re-subscribe and gotten lost. They usually re-subscribe within minutes.? The interesting thing is that as far as I can recall, this has never happened more than once to a given user.
>
> Paul
> WA9PUL
>
> --
> Paul Goelz
> Rochester Hills, MI? USA
> pgoelz@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm not 100% clear on this, can someone verify this is roughly what transpired:
OP was a subscriber to the group
OP marked (perhaps inadvertently) a groups.ip email as spam
His mail client informed groups.io that an email sent was spam
Groups.io acted on the spam notice, unsubscribed the member, and sent a note exposing what happened and how to reverse the action (re-subscribe)
Frustrated he was unsubscribed "for no reason" he resubscribes, sends a goodbye message, then unsubscribed.
that is what appears to have happened, best as I can figure.
Presumably, the OP 'fat-fingered' his email client and mistakenly grouped in a groups.io email with several other emails and 'marked them as spam'.
Ken, N2VIP
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On Mar 20, 2022, at 16:04, Paul Goelz <pgoelz@...> wrote:
?On 3/20/2022 4:34 PM, Ron Wright via groups.io wrote:
Paul,
Are you sure the email about your address being removed was from yahoo or the group or was it a scammer.
Like the many emails telling my bank account has been frozen from bank I never heard of.
73, ron, n9ee/r Well, on the two groups.io lists I own and manage, when this happens the unsubscribe / re-subscribe Email is definitely legitimate and from groups.io.
So far, no one on my lists has failed to re-subscribe and gotten lost. They usually re-subscribe within minutes. The interesting thing is that as far as I can recall, this has never happened more than once to a given user.
Paul
WA9PUL
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Paul Goelz
Rochester Hills, MI USA
pgoelz@...
www.pgoelz.com
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On 3/20/2022 4:34 PM, Ron Wright via groups.io wrote: Paul,
Are you sure the email about your address being removed was from yahoo or the group or was it a scammer.
Like the many emails telling my bank account has been frozen from bank I never heard of.
73, ron, n9ee/r Well, on the two groups.io lists I own and manage, when this happens the unsubscribe / re-subscribe Email is definitely legitimate and from groups.io. So far, no one on my lists has failed to re-subscribe and gotten lost. They usually re-subscribe within minutes. The interesting thing is that as far as I can recall, this has never happened more than once to a given user. Paul WA9PUL -- Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA pgoelz@... www.pgoelz.com
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Paul,
Are you sure the email about your address being removed was from yahoo or the group or was it a scammer.
Like the many emails telling my bank account has been frozen from bank I never heard of.
73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE/R Hernando Co ARES EC
BSEE Micro Computer Concepts Spring Hill, Florida
146.64 repeater, 1100 ft HAAT 352-835-5610
On Sunday, March 20, 2022, 02:07:02 PM EDT, Paul Goelz <pgoelz@...> wrote:
On 3/20/2022 12:50 PM, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io wrote: > Why would a spam notice even be sent though if everything had been going > fine up to that point? Working one day, then not the next suggests the > possibility of something having changed at Io in order to trigger the > spam notice on a recipients device. >? ?Not trying to start an argument, but assuming the recepient's device > is always at fault may not be such a strong point of view as stated. If > multiple people experience the same issue, then the common denominator > could still be with io. Just another line of thinking. > > Joe N1khb I am not the expert but it is my understanding that it is now desired practice to have spam filters and Email clients respond to the originating sender that a piece of Email is considered spam.? That then triggers the automatic unsubscribe.? The idea is that if you (for whatever reason) get on an undesired mail list, marking the traffic as spam will automatically stop the spam. At least that is how it is SUPPOSED to work.? But it assumes that all spammers adhere to this practice and remove you from their mail list if you mark a post as spam..... and of course they don't.? In the mean time, all the good guys DO adhere to this practice and unsubscribe you if you or your anti-spam software or anything else (like a spam filter at your ISP) marks a post as spam. Kinda like many other well intended rules.... a pain for the good guys and totally ineffectual against the bad guys. At least that is how I THINK it works. Paul WA9PUL -- Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI? USA pgoelz@...www.pgoelz.com
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On 3/20/2022 12:50 PM, Joseph Wonoski via groups.io wrote: Why would a spam notice even be sent though if everything had been going fine up to that point? Working one day, then not the next suggests the possibility of something having changed at Io in order to trigger the spam notice on a recipients device.
?Not trying to start an argument, but assuming the recepient's device is always at fault may not be such a strong point of view as stated. If multiple people experience the same issue, then the common denominator could still be with io. Just another line of thinking.
Joe N1khb I am not the expert but it is my understanding that it is now desired practice to have spam filters and Email clients respond to the originating sender that a piece of Email is considered spam. That then triggers the automatic unsubscribe. The idea is that if you (for whatever reason) get on an undesired mail list, marking the traffic as spam will automatically stop the spam. At least that is how it is SUPPOSED to work. But it assumes that all spammers adhere to this practice and remove you from their mail list if you mark a post as spam..... and of course they don't. In the mean time, all the good guys DO adhere to this practice and unsubscribe you if you or your anti-spam software or anything else (like a spam filter at your ISP) marks a post as spam. Kinda like many other well intended rules.... a pain for the good guys and totally ineffectual against the bad guys. At least that is how I THINK it works. Paul WA9PUL -- Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA pgoelz@... www.pgoelz.com
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Joe, list updates on spam sites get forwarded to your device because someone may have reported the site as spam or because it is similar to a link you have reported as spam in the past.? Norton, for instance, will update at the interval you choose, hourly, daily, weekly, etc.? A slight inconvenience for added protection
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For users of Yaesu FT817, I suggest to update to version 1.1.1 of CatRadio
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Why would a spam notice even be sent though if everything had been going fine up to that point? Working one day, then not the next suggests the possibility of something having changed at Io in order to trigger the spam notice on a recipients device. ? ?Not trying to start an argument, but assuming the recepient's device is always at fault may not be such a strong point of view as stated. If multiple people experience the same issue, then the common denominator could still be with io. Just another line of thinking.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:57 AM, Paul Goelz <pgoelz@...> wrote: On 3/20/2022 11:31 AM, n1evh via groups.io wrote: > I now receive an e-mail saying that my e-mail address > has been automatically removed... and I can click on > some link to resume my subscription. Well... I resumed > it... just so I could send this. > > So... since my e-mail address was automatically removed, > I'm saying... screw this... I'm out of here. > > Mike - N1EVH It isn't personal.? It is a "feature" of mailing lists like groups.io.... and I don't like it. The deal seems to be that if something (like you, your Email client, your spam filter or maybe even your ISP) marks a post as spam, that sends a notice to groups.io and groups.io tries to be helpful and unsubscribes you from the "offending" list.? That triggers the Email to you with re-subscribe instructions. This is all automated and there is nothing that I can see that listowners can do about it.? I own a couple lists and it happens from time to time.? I don't see it as a feature you can switch off. Again, it isn't personal and is (probably) not a reaction to anything you did.? I just live with it as a consequence of using groups.io, which is otherwise a good reliable and (generally) free service. Paul WA9PUL -- Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI? USA pgoelz@...www.pgoelz.com
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I don’t even get email. Once or twice a day ?I refresh the forum. Seems to be the cleanest way to enjoy groups io.?
-n7hex?
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Doug Jackson
Al WB9UVJ