Did I miss Something specs say "cellular blocked" but I also find a
hole in the 700Mhz-900Mhz at 918.4875Mhz-943.5125Mhz is this a normal
hole or is something missing?

BK,
N7AZN

My radio has the same "hole"...

Mike
K6MJU

... 918.4875Mhz-943.5125Mhz is this a normal hole...

Isn't that where cellular images are?

Clint Bradford

Ah, so for the techno savy out there, lets take a break from putting down
this radio and lets come up with a strategy for plugging the hole! What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies. Certainly, you
can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop you from
listening. The fathers' of the constitution may not of had this (radio) in
mind but I think it is ok.

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This link may be of interest - old, but a start. Anyone know the
current law?



Bob G4HFQ

What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies.? Certainly, you
can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop you from
listening.??
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 PM
>To: FT-60@...
>Subject: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
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ECPA (Electronics Communications Privacy Act) and some legislation that followed a few years later makes it illegal to monitor cell phone conversations.

73



Eddie Muro- Amateur Radio Station K2EPM
Long Island, New York
LIMARC Vice-President www.limarc.org






----Original Message Follows----
From: ke2qr@...
Reply-To: FT-60@...
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:16 -0500

Ah, so for the techno savy out there, lets take a break from putting down
this radio and lets come up with a strategy for plugging the hole! What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies. Certainly, you
can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop you from
listening. The fathers' of the constitution may not of had this (radio) in
mind but I think it is ok.

73 de KE2QR
Fred Jacobowitz
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ECPA (Electronics Communications Privacy Act) and some legislation that
followed a few years later makes it illegal to monitor cell phone
conversations.

73



Eddie Muro- Amateur Radio Station K2EPM
Long Island, New York
LIMARC Vice-President www.limarc.org






----Original Message Follows----
From: ke2qr@...
Reply-To: FT-60@...
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:16 -0500

Ah, so for the techno savy out there, lets take a break from putting down
this radio and lets come up with a strategy for plugging the hole!? What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies.? Certainly, you
can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop you from
listening.? The fathers' of the constitution may not of had this (radio) in
mind but I think it is ok.

73 de KE2QR
Fred Jacobowitz
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? >-----Original Message-----
>From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 PM
>To: FT-60@...
>Subject: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
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>Isn't that where cellular images are?
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Larry,

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Good point about the phones being digital ? so you have to wonder why they are cellular (frequency) blocked!? That?s legislation for you.

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73 de KE2QR

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From: Larry B [mailto:larryfire26@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:03 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz

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Hello All,

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Just an FYI,

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Most ALL cell phone systems today are digital in nature so monitoring with a conventional radio will not work so I would not even be concerned about this any longer.

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Most if not all Cell phones manufactured today are digital in nature!

It is good though that the FT-60 works in this band as I am sure there are other services which will end up there at some point in time.

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Ed Muro wrote:

ECPA (Electronics Communications Privacy Act) and some legislation that
followed a few years later makes it illegal to monitor cell phone
conversations.

73



Eddie Muro- Amateur Radio Station K2EPM
Long Island, New York
LIMARC Vice-President www.limarc.org






----Original Message Follows----
From: ke2qr@...
Reply-To: FT-60@...
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:16 -0500

Ah, so for the techno savy out there, lets take a break from putting down
this radio and lets come up with a strategy for plugging the hole!? What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies.? Certainly, you
can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop you from
listening.? The fathers' of the constitution may not of had this (radio) in
mind but I think it is ok.

73 de KE2QR
Fred Jacobowitz
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? >-----Original Message-----
>From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 PM
>To: FT-60@...
>Subject: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
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>>>... 918.4875Mhz-943.5125Mhz is this a normal hole...
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>Isn't that where cellular images are?
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>Clint Bradford
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Remember that there are still a lot of analog cell towers in use, and even more cell phones that still have analog capabilities. Therefore you are still able to hear those people that are using the analog side (especially in less populated areas) and/or in areas where there's so many people using the towers that some peoples phone switch (roam) to the analog side so that the call can still be made.

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At 08:00 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:

But I wonder what would have happen when I was 6 years old and my dad
said, “Fred, how would you like to build a crystal radio”?, and ….. So I
guess if I don’t that with my kids I better be very careful. I mean, if I
wind the wrong number of turns on that toilet paper form, they may be
visiting me upstate. It certainly sounds like something is wrong with
that scenario.

The activity (listening to cellular conversations) prohibited by
the statute is a "crime of specific intent". That is, you must intend to
tune and listen to the conversation; not just accidently find it as a
result of your dabbling in electronic projects. Now, if you discover the
transmission and keep the device to listen to future calls ... or build one
whenever you feel like listening, that is a violation of the law.


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Patrick,

It has always been my understanding that it is illegal to reveal what you monitor to a third party.? But are you telling me, that if I was an experimenter, and I built a homebrew radio that received cellular transmissions it is illegal!?? I believe you, because I just read a portion of the Electronics Communications Privacy Act.

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But I wonder what would have happen when I was 6 years old and my dad said, ?Fred, how would you like to build a crystal radio??, and ?..? So I guess if I don?t that with my kids I better be very careful.? I mean, if I wind the wrong number of turns on that toilet paper form, they may be visiting me upstate.? It certainly sounds like something is wrong with that scenario.

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Is it any wonder why this hobby is dying?

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73 de KE2QR

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From: PATRICK MASON [mailto:fcr222@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:00 AM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz

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FRED,

The legal issues are very real. It is in violation of the Federal wireless privacy act to intercept (receive) any cellular transmissions analog or digital signals, period. It is also against the law to manufacturer equipment that is "easily modified" to do this as well.

Another FCC rule says it is illegal to reveal what you monitor on your radios to a third party.

Pat Mason

Chief Communications

What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies.? Certainly, you
can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop you from
listening.??
73 de KE2QR
Fred Jacobowitz
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 PM
>To: FT-60@...
>Subject: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz
>
>
>
>
>>>... 918.4875Mhz-943.5125Mhz is this a normal hole...
>
>Isn't that where cellular images are?
>
>Clint Bradford
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The link reference is dated 1995.

I would note that the LA county law prohibing receivers from 1600 to
2500 kHz overlaps with the new FCC extention of the AM broadcast band
to from 1600 to 1700 kHz (though possission of a factory equipped or
equivalent aftermarket AM radio in a late model automobile isn't
likely to get you into trouble I wouldn't think. Also odd is the
limitation on 150-160 MHz, as this includes the 156.050 to to 161.925
MHz VHF marine radio band -- though I suppose the possision of an FCC
marine VHF license would cover you is you had a marine radio in your
position, much as an amateur or GMRS or other FCC license would.

In general it appears they are trying to limit scanning of law
enforcement frequencies.

As for ME it appears they are not restricting 200-500m transmitters
per se, just ones causing interference, so an unlicensed Part 15
transmitter should be legal if it didn't interfere with MF marine or
AM broadcast stations.

You could also get a very old television the kind with the old dials
on them, and tune it to the upper UHF band. You are likely to hear
cellular conversations on a piece of equipment that is fcc approved.




--- In FT-60@..., PATRICK MASON <fcr222@y...> wrote:

FRED,
The cellular companies years ago convinced the FCC and the Federal

Government to make the privacy act law. Unfortunatley you are
correct. If you build your "homebrew" and it can receive cellular, or
any other transmissions protected by the Act. Yup we would be in
violation. That is why it took many years for the digital scanners to
become REALITY.

Uniden had to prove the digital scanners did not violate the

privacy act.

Pat

ke2qr@a... wrote:

Patrick,

It has always been my understanding that it is illegal to reveal

what you monitor to a third party. But are you telling me, that if I
was an experimenter, and I built a homebrew radio that received
cellular transmissions it is illegal!? I believe you, because I just
read a portion of the Electronics Communications Privacy Act.

But I wonder what would have happen when I was 6 years old and my

dad said, "Fred, how would you like to build a crystal radio"?, and
….. So I guess if I don't that with my kids I better be very
careful. I mean, if I wind the wrong number of turns on that toilet
paper form, they may be visiting me upstate. It certainly sounds
like something is wrong with that scenario.

Is it any wonder why this hobby is dying?



73 de KE2QR



Fred Jacobowitz

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From: PATRICK MASON [mailto:fcr222@y...]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:00 AM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: RE: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz




FRED,


The legal issues are very real. It is in violation of the Federal

wireless privacy act to intercept (receive) any cellular
transmissions analog or digital signals, period. It is also against
the law to manufacturer equipment that is "easily modified" to do
this as well.

Another FCC rule says it is illegal to reveal what you monitor on

your radios to a third party.

Pat Mason


Chief Communications


What are
the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies.

Certainly, you

can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop

you from

listening.
73 de KE2QR
Fred Jacobowitz
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz

... 918.4875Mhz-943.5125Mhz is this a normal hole...

Isn't that where cellular images are?

Clint Bradford










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I don't care about Cell Phones, but I would like to monitor the
output of my 900 MHz repeater (927.1375).

73, Dick, W1KSZ

--- In FT-60@..., ke2qr@a... wrote:

Ah, so for the techno savy out there, lets take a break from

putting down

this radio and lets come up with a strategy for plugging the hole!

What are

the legal issues concerning monitoring the cell frequencies.

Certainly, you

can't disclose to third parties, but I don't think anybody can stop

you from

listening. The fathers' of the constitution may not of had this

(radio) in

mind but I think it is ok.

73 de KE2QR
Fred Jacobowitz
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>-----Original Message-----

From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 PM
To: FT-60@...
Subject: [FT-60] Re: Hole in 900Mhz

... 918.4875Mhz-943.5125Mhz is this a normal hole...

Isn't that where cellular images are?

Clint Bradford










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