Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
I think it's now illegal for any bike over either 50 or 125cc to be two
stroke??? Two stroke outboards are illegal... except for commercial use.
Go figure.
Larry Botheras
Essex UK
W650 Wrench
2007 Moto Guzzi Norge
1977 KH400
1978 CD175
1994 Ural Solo
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Behalf Of James Franklin
Sent: 01 July 2007 16:34
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN
Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa
250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
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Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's
are
OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I
can't
ride
the KTM's for instance.
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*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS
STRIKES
AGAIN
I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding
position),
well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are
mostly
high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:
That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
singles,
tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They
are
very
low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.
Other off-road sports are:
Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials,
have no
lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really
well but
are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect
seat
heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross
bikes
with
road front wheels on.
Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are
more
softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have
lighting
sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally stunning
commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard
indeed
to
find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your
Harley...and
30
bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha
465
with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph.
A lot
of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are
Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In
other
words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still
had
to
be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often
just
muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro
bikes
are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But
being
macho
men we used 'em anyway!
Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have
less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You
used to
find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports
are
found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew
what
they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki
Sherpa and
so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the XR250
Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to
have
superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy
rough
ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or
enduro
bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into
the
weeds.
They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly
good
suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
Very high credibility too......
Jon
From: Laura
Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend. Laura, here's some trials riding:
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You could of course just bung the phone guy $100
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I think I'd have to pull the original phone line out, and
fish thru the phone and cable lines at the same time.
This appears to be schedule 5 plastic conduit, very thin
wall, and I'll bet has no elbows or sweeps in the run, merely bent to fit the
run. That's ok, no obstructions with threaded fittings to hang up
on.
?
Dennis
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There's almost certainly a pull-through
sitting in the conduit...perhaps they wouldn't notice as long as you
didn't break the phone
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That was great, James...Some stunning pictures there....
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I think I'd have to pull the original phone line out, and fish
thru the phone and cable lines at the same time.
This appears to be schedule 5 plastic conduit, very thin wall,
and I'll bet has no elbows or sweeps in the run, merely bent to fit the run.
That's ok, no obstructions with threaded fittings to hang up on.
?
Dennis
?
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There's almost certainly a pull-through
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Thanks Dennis. My ditch digging days are over,
thanks to my back problems. Not to mention I'm retired and absolutely refuse to
do anything that even remotely resembles work. Have to stay true to my
convictions!
?
However, I've lately?started a yoga class that
seems to be helping. The instructor(ess) had her back broken years ago, in 3
places, in a car accident and started?following this certain
program.?You'd never know?she had problems looking at her now. She
looks about 20 years younger than her age and?runs circles around the jocks
down at the gym.??
I have high hopes as the regular doctors say they
can't do anything for my muscle spasms. I'm thinking they come from some place
inside that "medicine" doesn't affect. Opening the energy paths (or whatever she
calls it) is causing unusual effects.
Stay tuned.
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Um, Gene would probably do better as my co-observer, I don't
want to do his back any harm, I'd like to go riding with him again
sometime.
?
Dennis
?
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Hey, I know a guy in
Oregon that'd probably love to volunteer to help, ol' DitchFitch we calls
'im....
Helpful Jake
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Yeah, now to find a strapping young man to dig the
ditch...
?
?
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I think the cable option is definitely the
best route....There are a lot of extra clever features as well, like
movies on demand and so on...
?
Jon
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?
There's almost certainly a pull-through sitting
in the conduit...perhaps they wouldn't notice as long as you didn't break the
phone line!
Whatever method is used, we can't destroy the water, phone,
and power lines that are buried in the same area.
?
One thing I've been wondering, if I can run the cable thru
the same buried line that the phone uses now. I don't know how the phone
company would sit with that, the conduit and line is their property and
responsibility.
?
Dennis
?
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Dennis...You finally have an excuse to hire
a Bobcat!
Yeah, now to find a strapping young man to dig the
ditch...
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Re: Couple of newbie questions.
--- In W650riders@..., "pete7953" <peter.sluman@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, just got my W650 a few weeks ago and a couple of
issues have arisen. probably been dealt with before but who knows.
Handlebar Shake: when throttling back from 50+ or so mph, the
handlebars give a wobble/shake at between 45-50mph, ok if you've got
both hand on the handlebars, but if for some reason you don't, there is a noticeable shimmy until the speed drops to 40-45mph. Mine did exactly that until I had the steering bearings properly tightened. No more shimmy.
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Re: Couple of newbie questions.
un-balanced wheels won't start and maintain a side-to-side oscillation. It's chassis geometry derived. Over-tightening the head races will stop it, but bugger your races up in very short order.
Jon
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Ruari
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Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Couple of newbie questions.
Jon, that sounds exactly like my shimmy. It is only noticeable when
you take your hands off the bars and goes away when you put them back
on. If however you continue with the 'no hands' style of riding, it
gets a lot worse. I've just had an avon roadrider put on the back
wheel and have now arranged for the matching front to be fitted next,
so we'll see how we get on with 2 new tyres. I know there is usually
no need to ride no hands, but there are times when you have to use
just one and I would like to have the confidence that the bike won't
throw a wobbly.
Thanks,
Pete
--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:
The shimmy is common to many bikes and is cured by a small amount
of
friction. The best place to find it is in the front tyre contact patch...The
stock front wears badly and the contact patch almost shrinks to nothing. A
decent single compound ( i.e. not a stock Accolade) tyre transforms the bike
and pretty much sorts the shimmy. I used an Avon Venom .
You should only notice the shimmy if you take your hands off and just a
light touch restores equilibrium.
If it still persists enough to annoy, buy a steering damper...That shimmy is
what they are built for!
Jon
Hello everyone, just got my W650 a few weeks ago and a couple of issues
have arisen. probably been dealt with before but who knows.
Handlebar Shake: when throttling back from 50+ or so mph, the
handlebars give a wobble/shake at between 45-50mph, ok if you've
got
both hand on the handlebars, but if for some reason you don't,
there is
a noticeable shimmy until the speed drops to 40-45mph. Thought it
mught
have been down to a worn (very) rear tyre, but a new one has made
no
difference.
Momentary cough: sometimes, the engine gives a 'cough'. It alwaqys
recovers instantly and then won't happen again for the rest of
the ride.
Any suggestions for these issues, or are they all like it?
Thanks
Pete
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Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
?
Hmm...Those weren't based on the XR
though...they're water-cooled for starters...Not available in the UK and not
many grey imports brought in because they weren't as good as an XR at fast
stuff and weren't as good as a Serow at nadgery trails . Quite heavy
too...
Laura: The best of all those 250's was the Honda
NX 250 from '88,'89 and very cool with it's mini fairing. Here's a pic of my
NX 650, they looked alike.?Used they're reasonably priced.
Daniel
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood
breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be
I be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting.
I do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I
go through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one
tomorrow, I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat
one. Are they easy to get hold of?
Laura
On 01/07/07, James
Franklin <jimw650@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Laura, Honda CRs are two
strokes and they are high performance racable..the
XRs and the XLs are
4 strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the
Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights
at 30 inches or less
unladen.
James Franklin
2411
Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994
(cell)
>From: Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com
>
>Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>To:
W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>Subject:
Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>AGAIN
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59
+0100
>
>OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like
the idea. Are they
>cheap could I have them as second
bike?
>KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to
have his food
>reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we
think).
>Laura
>
>
>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net>
wrote:
>>
>>??Yes, they ARE high, some higher
than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
>>OK. I find I can manage
those??well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
>>ride
>>the KTM's for
instance.
>>
>>----- Original Message
-----
>>*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com>
>>*To:*
W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>>*Sent:*
Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: [W650riders]
:WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>>AGAIN
>>
>>I've sort of been interested in
them as they look comfy (riding position),
>>well the ones I saw
but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
>>high
>>aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really
helpful.
>>
>>Laura
>>
>>
>>On
30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net
>>net+>>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is modern
trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
>>singles,
>> >
>> > tuned for instant
wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They
are
>>very
>> > low
>> > geared and have
absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
>> >
approximately
>> > where the seat would have been.
>>
>
>> > Other off-road sports are:
>>
>
>> > Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and
like trials, have no
>> > lights and are not road legal. MX
bikes actually handle really well but
>> > are
>>
> stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect
seat
>> > heights
>> > in excess of 960mm. Proper
Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes
>>with
>> >
road front wheels on.
>> >
>> > Enduro...Where the
bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
>> >
softly
>> > tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use,
and have lighting
>> > sets.
>> > These bikes are
usually road legal in the UK and make literally
>>stunning
>> > commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try
very hard indeed
>>to
>> > find a better bike than a
late model Honda XR250 for general urban
>> >
duties.
>> > They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under
half your Harley...and
>>30
>> > bhp
>>
> in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha
465
>> > with
>> > 42 bhp would shut down any
musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A lot
>> >
of
>> > Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes
are Roads...i.e.
>> > 'Rights of way open to all traffic'
which were not tarmac. In other
>> > words,
>> >
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still
had
>>to
>> > be
>> > fully road legal
and obey national speed limits. They are often just
>> > muddy
>> > tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on
Enduro bikes
>> > are
>> > not designed for such
tricky and challenging narrow paths....But being
>> >
macho
>> > men we used 'em anyway!
>>
>
>> > Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust.
They have less
>> > suspension travel, less power and are
often more civilised. You used to
>> > find
>> >
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports
are
>> > found.
>> > They were popular amongst
older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
>> >
they
>> > were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the
Kawasaki Sherpa and
>> > so
>> > on, but older
bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
>>XR250
>> >
>> > Honda is so good and usable it'll cross
into both camps.
>> >
>> > All off-road bikes are
brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
>> > incredibly
light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
>>
> superb
>> > handling stability because they are built to
win races on bumpy rough
>> > ground
>> > and as a
consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
>>
> bike
>> > with road oriented tyres on usually blows
'proper' road bikes into the
>> > weeds.
>>
>
>> > They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats
and amazingly good
>> > suspension make for a real armchair
riding position.
>> >
>> > Very high credibility
too......
>> >
>> > Jon
>>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
> From: Laura
>> > >>Trials? Is that motocross?
exciting. I like the idea of riding
>> > >>in the woods,
think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>> >
>>the grass at the rally next weekend.
>> >
>
>> > > Laura, here's some trials riding:
>>
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>> > >
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and power lines that are buried in the same area.
?
One thing I've been wondering, if I can run the cable thru the
same buried line that the phone uses now. I don't know how the phone company
would sit with that, the conduit and line is their property and
responsibility.
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Re: NWC: Satellite Internet Access Question
Um, Gene would probably do better as my co-observer, I don't
want to do his back any harm, I'd like to go riding with him again
sometime.
?
Dennis
?
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Hey, I know a guy in Oregon that'd probably love
to volunteer to help, ol' DitchFitch we calls 'im....
?
Helpful Jake
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Yeah, now to find a strapping young man to dig the
ditch...
?
?
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I think the cable option is definitely the
best route....There are a lot of extra clever features as well, like
movies on demand and so on...
?
Jon
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Take care, Donovan.
?
Ruari
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Subject: [W650riders] Vulcan 900
?The w is gone . We shared 58,000 kms . Most were 2 up . I
am really gonna miss that bike .
?I wasn,t a big contributer to the
list but I did read most of the posts and learned a lot. I wish to thank all
the posters and moderators for there efforts .
? PS I promise not to
ask any W650 rider the question . What year is your Triumph ? ?
? I
also ask John not to dis the Vulcan or Mr.Spock.
?Thx Donovan Wilson
?????? Brantford?
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Re: Couple of newbie questions.
And balance the wheels?
Ruari
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----- Original Message ----- From: "pete7953" <peter.sluman@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [W650riders] Re: Couple of newbie questions. Jon, that sounds exactly like my shimmy. It is only noticeable when
you take your hands off the bars and goes away when you put them back
on. If however you continue with the 'no hands' style of riding, it
gets a lot worse. I've just had an avon roadrider put on the back
wheel and have now arranged for the matching front to be fitted next,
so we'll see how we get on with 2 new tyres. I know there is usually
no need to ride no hands, but there are times when you have to use
just one and I would like to have the confidence that the bike won't
throw a wobbly.
Thanks,
Pete
--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:
The shimmy is common to many bikes and is cured by a small amount
of
friction. The best place to find it is in the front tyre contact patch...The
stock front wears badly and the contact patch almost shrinks to nothing. A
decent single compound ( i.e. not a stock Accolade) tyre transforms the bike
and pretty much sorts the shimmy. I used an Avon Venom .
You should only notice the shimmy if you take your hands off and just a
light touch restores equilibrium.
If it still persists enough to annoy, buy a steering damper...That shimmy is
what they are built for!
Jon
Hello everyone, just got my W650 a few weeks ago and a couple of issues
have arisen. probably been dealt with before but who knows.
Handlebar Shake: when throttling back from 50+ or so mph, the
handlebars give a wobble/shake at between 45-50mph, ok if you've
got
both hand on the handlebars, but if for some reason you don't,
there is
a noticeable shimmy until the speed drops to 40-45mph. Thought it
mught
have been down to a worn (very) rear tyre, but a new one has made
no
difference.
Momentary cough: sometimes, the engine gives a 'cough'. It alwaqys
recovers instantly and then won't happen again for the rest of
the ride.
Any suggestions for these issues, or are they all like it?
Thanks
Pete
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Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Laura: The best of all those 250's was the Honda NX
250 from '88,'89 and very cool with it's mini fairing. Here's a pic of my NX
650, they looked alike.?Used they're reasonably priced. Daniel
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Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be I
be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting. I
do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I go
through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one tomorrow,
I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat one. Are
they easy to get hold of?
Laura
On 01/07/07, James
Franklin <jimw650@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Laura, Honda CRs are two
strokes and they are high performance racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4
strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the
Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at
30 inches or less
unladen.
James Franklin
2411 Pine
Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994
(cell)
>From: Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com
>
>Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>To:
W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>Subject:
Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>AGAIN
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59
+0100
>
>OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like
the idea. Are they
>cheap could I have them as second
bike?
>KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have
his food
>reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we
think).
>Laura
>
>
>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net>
wrote:
>>
>>??Yes, they ARE high, some higher
than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
>>OK. I find I can manage
those??well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
>>ride
>>the KTM's for
instance.
>>
>>----- Original Message
-----
>>*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@googlemail.com>
>>*To:*
W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>>*Sent:*
Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS
goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>>AGAIN
>>
>>I've sort of been interested in
them as they look comfy (riding position),
>>well the ones I saw
but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
>>high
>>aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really
helpful.
>>
>>Laura
>>
>>
>>On
30/06/07, Jonhaddock@onetel.net < jonhaddock@onetel.net
>>net+>>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is modern
trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
>>singles,
>> >
>> > tuned for instant
wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They
are
>>very
>> > low
>> > geared and have
absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
>> >
approximately
>> > where the seat would have been.
>>
>
>> > Other off-road sports are:
>>
>
>> > Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like
trials, have no
>> > lights and are not road legal. MX bikes
actually handle really well but
>> > are
>> >
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect
seat
>> > heights
>> > in excess of 960mm. Proper
Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes
>>with
>> >
road front wheels on.
>> >
>> > Enduro...Where the
bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
>> >
softly
>> > tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use,
and have lighting
>> > sets.
>> > These bikes are
usually road legal in the UK and make literally
>>stunning
>> > commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very
hard indeed
>>to
>> > find a better bike than a late
model Honda XR250 for general urban
>> > duties.
>>
> They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and
>>30
>> > bhp
>> > in a bike that light
makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465
>> >
with
>> > 42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up
to 60 mph. A lot
>> > of
>> > Enduro bikes were
bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
>> >
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In
other
>> > words,
>> > forgotten about or not used.
Because they were roads, bikes still had
>>to
>> >
be
>> > fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They
are often just
>> > muddy
>> > tracks across moors
and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes
>> >
are
>> > not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow
paths....But being
>> > macho
>> > men we used 'em
anyway!
>> >
>> > Trail. These bikes are less
extreme and less robust. They have less
>> > suspension travel,
less power and are often more civilised. You used to
>> >
find
>> > some in every makers range but today in the UK, only
grey imports are
>> > found.
>> > They were popular
amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
>> >
they
>> > were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the
Kawasaki Sherpa and
>> > so
>> > on, but older bikes
like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
>>XR250
>>
>
>> > Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both
camps.
>> >
>> > All off-road bikes are brilliant
fun, combining punchy motors with
>> > incredibly light weight.
Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
>> >
superb
>> > handling stability because they are built to win
races on bumpy rough
>> > ground
>> > and as a
consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
>>
> bike
>> > with road oriented tyres on usually blows
'proper' road bikes into the
>> > weeds.
>>
>
>> > They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and
amazingly good
>> > suspension make for a real armchair riding
position.
>> >
>> > Very high credibility
too......
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>>
>
>> >
>> >
>> > > From:
Laura
>> > >>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like
the idea of riding
>> > >>in the woods, think it's called
greenlaning. Liked riding on
>> > >>the grass at the
rally next weekend.
>> > >
>> > > Laura,
here's some trials riding:
>> > >
>> > >
>>
> >
>> > >
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Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
There are loads on the Continent...if you can dal with left hand drive...Even the venerable old XT 500's are still kicking around for sensible money...Now there's a great road bike...apart from the shit 6v lights and drum brake front end...
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I don't know what your market is like there, so I do not know how available
the XT where you are. Check the papers, and we have Bike Trader/Auto Trader
which run ads for used bikes.
I didn't see many used ones (XT/Serrow) in Hawaii, people buy them and keep
them evidently. They cost around $5000 new (I was surprised), the DR and
the Sherpa were cheaper.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:22:07 +0100
Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be I
be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting.
I
do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I go
through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one tomorrow,
I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat one. Are
they easy to get hold of?
Laura
On 01/07/07, James Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote:
Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's
are
OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
ride
the KTM's for instance.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS
STRIKES
AGAIN
I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding
position),
well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:
That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
singles,
tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are
very
low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.
Other off-road sports are:
Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have
no
lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well
but
are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat
heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes with
road front wheels on.
Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally stunning
commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard
indeed
to
find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your
Harley...and
30
bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha
465
with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A
lot
of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are
Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still
had
to
be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just
muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro
bikes
are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But
being
macho
men we used 'em anyway!
Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used
to
find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports
are
found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew
what
they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa
and
so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the XR250
Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to
have
superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy
rough
ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into
the
weeds.
They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
Very high credibility too......
Jon
From: Laura
Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend. Laura, here's some trials riding:
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Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
?
Serows are around ?1000 to ?2000. All are used,
some more heavily than others. Honda XR's have been around since the early
'80's but ironically the early drum braked models are gaining value because
they are 'classics'. From around '1990 on they were disc brake at the front.
From year 2000 or so certain ones were electric start. A mate used to ride one
'on the road' and he reckoned it would cruise at 70-80 mph, and get around 80
mpg at less hectic speeds. They are also stunningly reliable and really well
made. Seat heights are not that low, at 930 mm...but they sag at least 100mm
when correctly adjusted for your weight which makes it easy to get?feet
down. Because they weigh under 95 kilos it doesn't matter if you lean them a
bit at stops!
?
Leccy start XR250's are around ?2000 for a clean
gently used one.
?
The Serows and Sherpas were designed as utility
farmers bikes, specifically for sheep herding and so on. That's why you don't
find 'em in the UK...our farms are too small! They often have fixed racks for
carrying bales or other farmy stuff. They make superb trail bikes but are
pretty gutless for road work unless you are spending most time in
cities!
?
Their gentle power delivery makes them great
bikes for chuffing up sheep tracks on Exmoor where tearing along is out of the
question...In some ways they are like trials bikes with comfy seats
?
Jon
Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250)
what would be I be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for
town/commuting. I do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable.
But you know I go through phases so please don't take it that I will go and
buy one tomorrow, I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't
even sat one. Are they easy to get hold of?
Laura
On 01/07/07, James
Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote:
Laura,
Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance racable..the
XRs
and the XLs are 4 strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225
(Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes
with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.
James
Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida
32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
>From: Laura
<laurauk.rider@...
>
>Reply-To: W650riders@...
>To:
W650riders@...
>Subject:
Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>AGAIN
>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59
+0100
>
>OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like
the idea. Are they
>cheap could I have them as second
bike?
>KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have
his food
>reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we
think).
>Laura
>
>
>On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... < jonhaddock@...>
wrote:
>>
>>??Yes, they ARE high, some higher
than others, but the Honda XR 250's are
>>OK. I find I can manage
those??well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
>>ride
>>the KTM's for
instance.
>>
>>----- Original Message
-----
>>*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
>>*To:*
W650riders@...
>>*Sent:*
Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS
goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
>>AGAIN
>>
>>I've sort of been interested in
them as they look comfy (riding position),
>>well the ones I saw
but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
>>high
>>aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really
helpful.
>>
>>Laura
>>
>>
>>On
30/06/07, Jonhaddock@...
< jonhaddock@...
>>>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That is modern
trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
>>singles,
>> >
>> > tuned for instant
wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They
are
>>very
>> > low
>> > geared and have
absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
>> >
approximately
>> > where the seat would have been.
>>
>
>> > Other off-road sports are:
>>
>
>> > Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like
trials, have no
>> > lights and are not road legal. MX bikes
actually handle really well but
>> > are
>> >
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect
seat
>> > heights
>> > in excess of 960mm. Proper
Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes
>>with
>> >
road front wheels on.
>> >
>> > Enduro...Where the
bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
>> >
softly
>> > tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use,
and have lighting
>> > sets.
>> > These bikes are
usually road legal in the UK and make literally
>>stunning
>> > commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very
hard indeed
>>to
>> > find a better bike than a late
model Honda XR250 for general urban
>> > duties.
>>
> They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your Harley...and
>>30
>> > bhp
>> > in a bike that light
makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha 465
>> >
with
>> > 42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up
to 60 mph. A lot
>> > of
>> > Enduro bikes were
bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are Roads...i.e.
>> >
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In
other
>> > words,
>> > forgotten about or not used.
Because they were roads, bikes still had
>>to
>> >
be
>> > fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They
are often just
>> > muddy
>> > tracks across moors
and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro bikes
>> >
are
>> > not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow
paths....But being
>> > macho
>> > men we used 'em
anyway!
>> >
>> > Trail. These bikes are less
extreme and less robust. They have less
>> > suspension travel,
less power and are often more civilised. You used to
>> >
find
>> > some in every makers range but today in the UK, only
grey imports are
>> > found.
>> > They were popular
amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew what
>> >
they
>> > were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the
Kawasaki Sherpa and
>> > so
>> > on, but older bikes
like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the
>>XR250
>>
>
>> > Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both
camps.
>> >
>> > All off-road bikes are brilliant
fun, combining punchy motors with
>> > incredibly light weight.
Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to have
>> >
superb
>> > handling stability because they are built to win
races on bumpy rough
>> > ground
>> > and as a
consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
>>
> bike
>> > with road oriented tyres on usually blows
'proper' road bikes into the
>> > weeds.
>>
>
>> > They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and
amazingly good
>> > suspension make for a real armchair riding
position.
>> >
>> > Very high credibility
too......
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>>
>
>> >
>> >
>> > > From:
Laura
>> > >>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like
the idea of riding
>> > >>in the woods, think it's called
greenlaning. Liked riding on
>> > >>the grass at the
rally next weekend.
>> > >
>> > > Laura,
here's some trials riding:
>> > >
>> > >
>>
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Re: Spam:, Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
I think you gain points for a 'dab'...
Jon
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You gain points in some sports for putting your face down, you lose points
in TRIALs for putting your feet down.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211
808-225-0994 (cell)
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Subject: Re: Spam:, Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:17:54 +0100
Ha ha....That's what we call 'a dab'. Every time you put your face down
you gain points!
What lovely sounding thumpers.
I can see myself disqualified in the first 20 feet for putting my face
down.
gene in OR
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I had this sort of thing in mind:-)
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From: Laura
>Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>the grass at the rally next weekend.
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I don't know what your market is like there, so I do not know how available the XT where you are. Check the papers, and we have Bike Trader/Auto Trader which run ads for used bikes. I didn't see many used ones (XT/Serrow) in Hawaii, people buy them and keep them evidently. They cost around $5000 new (I was surprised), the DR and the Sherpa were cheaper. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:22:07 +0100
Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be I
be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting. I
do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I go
through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one tomorrow,
I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat one. Are
they easy to get hold of?
Laura
On 01/07/07, James Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote:
Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.
The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa 250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.
James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
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Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100
OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food
reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's
are
OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I can't
ride
the KTM's for instance.
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*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS
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I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding
position),
well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.
Laura
On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... <jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:
That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke
singles,
tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are
very
low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.
Other off-road sports are:
Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have
no
lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well
but
are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect seat
heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes with
road front wheels on.
Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more
softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally stunning
commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard
indeed
to
find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your
Harley...and
30
bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha
465
with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A
lot
of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are
Roads...i.e.
'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still
had
to
be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often just
muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro
bikes
are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But
being
macho
men we used 'em anyway!
Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You used
to
find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports
are
found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew
what
they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa
and
so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the XR250
Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.
All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to
have
superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy
rough
ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or enduro
bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into
the
weeds.
They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly good
suspension make for a real armchair riding position.
Very high credibility too......
Jon
From: Laura
Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
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