I've been able to separate the two Klingmann families arriving on Ship Samuel in 1732. Is any Klingmann family found in Berks? Happy to correspond about Klingmann's (Clingman).
Thanks for any help!!
Lila Garne
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Edwards, Chalmer, McMeeking (Mcmeekin) and Park families of New Luce
I am looking for information on the above families.? I have quite a bit of inflammation on the McMeekin (New Luce) and Chalmers (Linwood and Paisley)? Families.?? I have found these two families in the records of Scotland.
I have some on the Park family from New Luce.
My problem is the Edwards family.?? John Edwards (b:1827 in Scotland - 1874) married Margaret Chalmers (1826- 1873 ) in New Jersey US about 1855.? The Margaret arrived in the New York on Sep 20, 1853 with several of her siblings.??
There is an unknown John Edwards who arrived in New York on Aug 29, 1853 and is listed as a blacksmith.? While John Edwards who married Margaret Chalmers and moved to Chicago is listed as a black smith in the 1860 and subsequent US Census for Chicago, the occupation is the only link between the two.?? I have Undocumented information that John was from Paisley.
There is a monograph on the Chalmers family in the book "Biographical and genealogical history of the city of Newark and Essex County, New Jersey" and is the only link I have between the family in New Jersey and Chicago.
Would like any information on any of the above families, especially that which connected John Edwards to a location in Scotland.? ?
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KRIEBEL - SCHULTZ Family Photograph
I've recovered an old photograph album from the late 1800's
including faculty and students from Oberlin College which includes a photograph
of Oscar KRIEBEL. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1880's or
1890's with Oscar likely in his 20's or 30’s at the time it was taken. Most of
the photographs, like this one was taken by the Pfeifer Studio from Columbus,
OH who probably came to take all the photographs at the Oberlin campus. Based
on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding
Oscar and his family:
?
Oscar Schultz KRIEBEL was b. 10 Sept 1863 in Hereford, PA to
parents Andrew Schultz KRIEBEL (1835-1876) and Christiana SCHULTZ (1840-1906). Oscar
had two siblings including Allen Schultz KRIEBEL (1861-1950) and Mary Alice
KRIEBEL (b. 1865). Oscar married Corinne “Connie” M. MILLER (1865-1944) on 30
Jun 1891 in Erie Co., OH and they had three children including Frieda K.; Mary
Miller; and Louisa Ellison KRIEBEL, all born between 1892 and 1894.? Oscar was the principal of Perkiomen School
and a pastor of the Palm Schwenkfelder Church.?
Oscar died 16 or 17 Feb 1932 in Philadelphia, PA and is buried in the
Palm Schwenkfelder Church Cemetery in Palm, PA.
?
I would like to get the photograph to a family member and
would appreciate you reaching out to me if you are member of this family or
know someone who might be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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STAUFFER - BECHTEL Family Photograph
I have an old studio photograph of Olivia STAUFFER which was
taken at the Saylor's Studio in Reading, PA in the 1890's.? Olivia appears to be in her teens at the time
it was taken and is also identified as "Cousin".? Based on limited research I was able to
gather the following information regarding Olivia and her family:
?
Olivia STAUFFER was b. 7 Apr 1879 in Pennsylvania to parents
Edwin Hunsberger STAUFFER (1851-1925) and Levina or Lovina or Lavinia Cleaver
BECHTEL (1855-1912) who were married in Pennsylvania in 1878.? Olivia had two siblings, a brother William Bechtel
STAUFFER (1879-1954) and another brother James STAUFFER (b. 1898).? Olivia married Maurice GRAF (1873-1949) on 9
Jun 1899 in Reading, PA and they had 6 children including Frederick; Mary
Elizabeth; Edwin Stauffer; Anna Frances; Charles S.; and Paul William GRAF, all
born between 1899 and 1911.? Olivia died
23 Jan 1940 and she is buried in the Union Cemetery in Bechtelsville, PA.
?
I would like to get this photograph back to family and
appreciate you contacting me if you are a member of this family or know someone
who might be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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I have in my possession and old photograph of Sarah C. KEEN
which was taken at the Patton & Dietrich's Studio in Reading, PA sometime
in the 1870's or 1880's.? Sarah appears
to be in her 30's at the time the photograph was taken.? Based on limited research I was able to
gather the following information regarding Sarah and her family:
?
Sarah C. KEEN was b. 24 Jun 1838 in Reading, PA to parents
William KEEN or KEEHN (1814-1893) and Esther SETLEY or SETTLY (1816-1893) who
were married 19 Jun 1836.? Sarah had three
siblings including Sophia or Sofia KEEN WHITMAN (1836-1921) and Margaret KEEN
EARL (1840-1913) and Samuel KEEN (1844-1917).?
Sarah died 13 Aug 1909 in Reading, PA and she is buried in Aulenbach’s
Cemetery in Mount Penn, PA.
?
I am hoping to get the photograph to her family and would appreciate
you contacting me if you are a member of this family or know someone who might
be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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HERRING Family Photographs
I have in my possession two HERRING Family photographs which
I'm hoping to get back to family. The first is a photograph of Edna &
Carrie HERRING taken at the W. A. Dietrich Studio in Kutztown, PA when they
were just 13 months old, sometime in the 1890's.
The second photograph is one of Edgar HERRING which was
taken at the J. S. Fritz Studio in Reading, PA in the 1880's or 1890's with
Edgar likely less than one year old at the time. Based on limited research I
was able to gather the following information regarding this family:
?
Edna Louisa HERRING and her twin sister Carrie Laura HERRING
were b. 29 Mar 1898 in Greenwich Township, Berks Co., PA to parents Jesse “Jessie”
Adam Lincoln HERRING (1870-1938) and Sarah Margaret SLONECKER (1870-1954).? They had two siblings, brothers Edgar William
HERRING (1892-1972) and John Paul HERRING (1895-1897).? Edna married Harvey Alvin MERKEL (1895-1975) on
22 Dec 1916 in Berks Co., PA and they had two children, Mildred E. MERKEL
BAILEY (1917-2010) and Ernest Herring MERKEL (1919-2012).? Edna died Sept 1983 in Kutztown, PA and is
buried in the New Bethel Zion Church Cemetery in Grimville, PA.
?
Carrie married Earl William George SUNDAY (1900-1992) on 5 May
1923 in Berks Co., PA and she died 19 May 1992 in Lehigh or Berks Co., PA and
is buried in the New Bethel Zion Church Cemetery in Grimville, PA.
?
Edgar William HERRING was b. 4 Apr 1892 in Greenwich
Township, Berks Co., PA and married Sallie E. METZGER (1885-1944) in 1912 and
they had two children, Paul Metzger HERRING (1917-1998) and Marion Elizabeth
HERRING (1924-1927). After Sallie died Edgar married Marie KRESSLER (1904-1999)
on 26 Dec 1946 in Easton, PA. Edgar died 15 Jan 1972 in Ruskin, FL and is
buried in the Zion Union Cemetery in Maxatawny, PA.
?
I am hoping to return the photographs to family and would
appreciate you contacting me if you are a member of this family or know someone
who might be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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Re: Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania
Darren,
Thank you so much for your help! I think Burgert's Vol 1 is in the Harlingen, Texas Library--I read the volumes that are in the McAllen Library but found nothing, and sort of gave up on it, but can go to Harlingen next week. Will want to document what she says.
As far as Arthur K.'s book, I will have to try for that on inter-library loan but it may not circulate due to being a reference.
You've given me a starting point. I will have to hire a genealogist to on-site research in property records unless they are digitized through the LDS--I'm almost 85 and no longer able to travel for research, which I miss!! Before I knew what you just told me,
I wouldn't have known what county to look at. Family members have been looking for Alexander far longer than I (almost 40 years), but until his birth was indexed by the LDS, no one found him.?
While the family was Lutheran in Germany, part of their reason for emigrating may have been to escape the power of the church, as many did.?
Again, I really appreciate what you've found for me.
Lila?
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Annette Burgert's Eighteenth Century Emigrants Vol 1: The Northern Kraichgau, pp.208-209 lists both Georg Klingmann and Hans Jeorg Klingemann who were listed aboard the
Samuel in 1732.? Her original research is about the former Georg (she suggests that "Thoredea" was?Georg's wife Anna Dorothea, and that they went first to Lancaster co., then York co.).
For Hans Jeorg she cites Arthur K. Klingaman's The Klingaman Family History and Genealogy (1973), which suggests that Georg and Hans Jeorg were related, mentions the latter's wife Katharina and son Pieter, and further claims they "lived for a time
near New Hanover [Montgomery co.] and then moved to Allemangel [Berks co.]."? No years are mentioned, but the cited source may have more info, if you can find it (there don't seem to be many library copies, although there's reportedly one not far from me).
Allemangel Lutheran Church birth records started in 1740, but neither of John Humphrey's Berks County books (1710-1780, 1781-1800) list any variation of Klingemann at that church.? There are records from the 1780s-1790s at Trinity Lutheran in Reading,
including children of a Peter Klingemann, but unlikely to be your Pieter (perhaps a son?).? The earlier book includes records of a few Ehrenhardt births (1760s-1770s), but they're from Rev. Daniel Schumacher's records, so don't indicate where in Berks co.
You might check land and probate records in both Montgomery and Berks counties as well, if you haven't already.
-Darren Price
Dear Listers,
?
This will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania. Background information first:
?
My search is for further information about Johann Georg (or Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There is another Klingmann couple
on the ship, and I don’t know which of the men with Georg in his name is mine.
?
“Kathrina” was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in 1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George, age 25 or 27 (or
possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724.
?
Hans Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on the passenger list. No child
under three is listed. Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled. The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children.
?
Alexander went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his letters exist. He
gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the family lived “in the interior of the state [Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in locating
the birthplace of Alexander.
?
A North Carolina professional genealogist went to Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s parents or brother.
?
The family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places are what I especially
need.
?
Some family historians assert that Alexander married Maria Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden, the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any documentation of this marriage
has been found, and she must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina.
?
Alexander had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania.
?
If anyone can point me in the right direction for finding anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful.
?
Thanks for any help!
?
Lila Niemann Garner
?
?
?
?
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Re: Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania
Annette Burgert's Eighteenth Century Emigrants Vol 1: The Northern Kraichgau, pp.208-209 lists both Georg Klingmann and Hans Jeorg Klingemann who were listed aboard the Samuel in 1732.? Her original research is about the former Georg (she suggests that "Thoredea" was?Georg's wife Anna Dorothea, and that they went first to Lancaster co., then York co.).
For Hans Jeorg she cites Arthur K. Klingaman's The Klingaman Family History and Genealogy (1973), which suggests that Georg and Hans Jeorg were related, mentions the latter's wife Katharina and son Pieter, and further claims they "lived for a time near New Hanover [Montgomery co.] and then moved to Allemangel [Berks co.]."? No years are mentioned, but the cited source may have more info, if you can find it (there don't seem to be many library copies, although there's reportedly one not far from me).
Allemangel Lutheran Church birth records started in 1740, but neither of John Humphrey's Berks County books (1710-1780, 1781-1800) list any variation of Klingemann at that church.? There are records from the 1780s-1790s at Trinity Lutheran in Reading, including children of a Peter Klingemann, but unlikely to be your Pieter (perhaps a son?).? The earlier book includes records of a few Ehrenhardt births (1760s-1770s), but they're from Rev. Daniel Schumacher's records, so don't indicate where in Berks co.
You might check land and probate records in both Montgomery and Berks counties as well, if you haven't already.
-Darren Price
Dear Listers,
?
This will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania. Background information first:
?
My search is for further information about Johann Georg (or Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There is another Klingmann
couple on the ship, and I don’t know which of the men with Georg in his name is mine.
?
“Kathrina” was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in 1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George, age 25 or 27
(or possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724.
?
Hans Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on the passenger list. No child
under three is listed. Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled. The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children.
?
Alexander went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his letters exist.
He gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the family lived “in the interior of the state [Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in
locating the birthplace of Alexander.
?
A North Carolina professional genealogist went to Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s parents or brother.
?
The family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places are what I especially
need.
?
Some family historians assert that Alexander married Maria Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden, the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any documentation of this marriage
has been found, and she must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina.
?
Alexander had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania.
?
If anyone can point me in the right direction for finding anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful.
?
Thanks for any help!
?
Lila Niemann Garner
?
?
?
?
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Re: Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania
Thank you for your suggestions. I have used familysearch. Someone has given Peter (correct birthdate) to the George/Yorick and Thoradea that were on the Samuel. But I have Peter's birth in Germany to the same parents as Alexander. One George or Johann Georg
has a wife Kathrina Barbara, but my lady was Anna Catharina. C and K interchange okay, but Barbara just won't work.
I had forgotten about county History books and will try that. Long ago I found a wonderful, problem-solving entry in one of those.
Thanks again,
Lila
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Two comments.?? Have you tried to find your "Georgs" in the German listings on Family Search.? Some times you are lucky and can find the whole family.? Other times you can be very lucky and find an entry in a
church book that says the person came to America.? The good thing,
Family Search
is free, and you can do the research on you computer while watching your favorite TV program.
Other times...............?
The second thought, is look at the county History books.?? Many counties in the US, wrote their histories, in the last quarter of the 19th century.?
Many of these histories area online so it is a couple of minutes in a search engine to find if there is a history of the area where you family lived in the US.?
(Be creative in your search strings.)? Many can be downloaded to your computer as PDF files, so you can read them at your leisure. ? I was lucky, in that one history provided the only link I could find between the family in Scotland, in New Jersey,
and Illinois.
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge,
being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education
shall forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787
On 8/6/2022 4:04 PM, Lila Garner wrote:
Dear Listers,
?
This will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania. Background information first:
?
My search is for further information about Johann Georg (or Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There is another Klingmann couple
on the ship, and I don’t know which of the men with Georg in his name is mine.
?
“Kathrina” was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in 1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George, age 25 or 27 (or
possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724.
?
Hans Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on the passenger list. No child
under three is listed. Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled. The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children.
?
Alexander went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his letters exist. He
gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the family lived “in the interior of the state [Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in locating
the birthplace of Alexander.
?
A North Carolina professional genealogist went to Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s parents or brother.
?
The family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places are what I especially
need.
?
Some family historians assert that Alexander married Maria Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden, the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any documentation of this marriage
has been found, and she must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina.
?
Alexander had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania.
?
If anyone can point me in the right direction for finding anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful.
?
Thanks for any help!
?
Lila Niemann Garner
?
?
?
?
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Re: Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania
Two comments.?? Have you
tried to find your "Georgs" in the German listings on Family
Search.? Some times you are lucky and can find the whole family.?
Other times you can be very lucky and find an entry in a church
book that says the person came to America.? The good thing, Family Search is free, and you can do the
research on you computer while watching your favorite TV program.
Other times...............?
The second thought, is look at the county History books.?? Many
counties in the US, wrote their histories, in the last quarter of
the 19th century.? Many of these
histories area online so it is a couple of minutes in a search
engine to find if there is a history of the area where you
family lived in the US.? (Be creative in your search strings.)?
Many can be downloaded to your computer as PDF files, so you can
read them at your leisure. ? I was lucky, in that one history
provided the only link I could find between the family in
Scotland, in New Jersey, and Illinois.
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being
necessary to good
government and the happiness of mankind,
schools and the means of education shall forever be
encouraged"
approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41
member helped write the Constitution which was approved
September 17, 1787
On 8/6/2022 4:04 PM, Lila Garner wrote:
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Dear
Listers,
?
This
will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this
list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania.
Background information first:
?
My
search is for further information about Johann Georg (or
Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who
arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There
is another Klingmann couple on the ship, and I don’t know
which of the men with Georg in his name is mine.
?
“Kathrina”
was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in
1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I
didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George,
age 25 or 27 (or possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and
which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina
were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724.
?
Hans
Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was
really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son
Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on
the passenger list. No child under three is listed.
Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled.
The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children.
?
Alexander
went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is
well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas
Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his
letters exist. He gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s
wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the
family lived “in the interior of the state
[Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly
after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in
locating the birthplace of Alexander.
?
A
North Carolina professional genealogist went to
Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at
the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s
parents or brother.
?
The
family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed
in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents
must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places
are what I especially need.
?
Some
family historians assert that Alexander married Maria
Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden,
the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any
documentation of this marriage has been found, and she
must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the
mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot
be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina.
?
Alexander
had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests
that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania.
?
If
anyone can point me in the right direction for finding
anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and
Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful.
?
Thanks
for any help!
?
Lila
Niemann Garner
?
?
?
?
|
Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania
Dear Listers,
?
This will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania. Background information first:
?
My search is for further information about Johann Georg (or Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There is another Klingmann
couple on the ship, and I don’t know which of the men with Georg in his name is mine.
?
“Kathrina” was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in 1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George, age 25 or 27
(or possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724.
?
Hans Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on the passenger list. No child
under three is listed. Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled. The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children.
?
Alexander went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his letters exist.
He gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the family lived “in the interior of the state [Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in
locating the birthplace of Alexander.
?
A North Carolina professional genealogist went to Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s parents or brother.
?
The family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places are what I especially
need.
?
Some family historians assert that Alexander married Maria Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden, the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any documentation of this marriage
has been found, and she must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina.
?
Alexander had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania.
?
If anyone can point me in the right direction for finding anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful.
?
Thanks for any help!
?
Lila Niemann Garner
?
?
?
?
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SMITH - WERNER - DREIBELBIS Family Photographs
I've recovered two old photographs belonging to the SMITH
and WERNER Families of Berks County, PA. The first photograph is identified as
the Birthplace of Mabel Susan SMITH WERNER near Dreibelbis Bridge, Berks Co.,
PA. It is also identified as the Francis SMITH Homestead and appears to be a
series of barns with cows in the fenced area in front.? The second photograph is also identified as
the Birthplace of Mabel Susan SMITH and Francis D. SMITH Homestead and is dated
6 Dec 1910. This photograph includes a young girl sitting atop what appears to
be a large doghouse or shed of some kind in front of what appears to be two
large homes. I believe that both Mabel and Francis are children of David
Zachariah SMITH and his wife Susan F. DREIBELBIS.? Based on limited research I was able to
gather the following information regarding this family:
?
Mabel Susan SMITH was b. 6 Dec 1910 in Greenwich Township or
Windsor Township, Berks Co., PA to parents David Zachariah SMITH (1875-1914)
and Susanna “Susan” F. DREIBELBIS (1873-1941) who were married in 1894.? Mabel was one of 5 children born to this
couple including Mary Elizabeth; Hettie Sarah; David Francis; Kate F.; and Mabel
Susan SMITH all born between 1895 and 1911.?
Mabel married twice, first to Benjamin HONEYFORD (b. 1890) on 10 July 1942
in Alexandria, VA and second to J. Stanley WERNER (1898-1962) and she died in
1998 and is buried in the Mount Zion Cemetery in North Coventry Township,
Chester Co., PA.
?
Francis David SMITH was b. 5 Mar 1900 in Pennsylvania to the
same parents and married Grace H. ADAM (1904-1990) and they had 5 children
including Dorothy May; Earl Leroy; Francis Lee; Robert Carl; and John David
SMITH, all born between 1923 and 1942.?
Francis died 9 Dec 1974.
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I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that these
wonderful old photographs can be returned to the care of family.? If you are a member of this family or know someone
who might be, please contact me.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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BROWN - ROEDER - MOYER - FRICK Family Photograph
I’ve recovered an old photograph identified as Gertie BROWN
ROEDER which appears to have been taken some time between 1907 and 1917.? Gertie appears to be in her 20’s at the time
the photograph was taken.? There is no studio
or location identified on the photograph, however, after limited research I was
able to find the following information regarding Gertie and her family:
?
Gertrude “Gertie” or “Gerdie” Moyer BROWN was b. May 1895 in
Pennsylvania to parents John George BROWN (1866-1918) and Alma Lillian MOYER
(1871-1924) who were married 2 Jan 1889 in Schuylkill Co., PA.? Gertie was one of 5 children born to this
couple including George C.; Mary Ellen; Gertie; Carrie Buelah; and Lucy C.
BROWN, all born between 1891 and 1899.?
Gertie married Joseph Daniel ROEDER (1891-1959) on 14 Jun 1913 in
Schuylkill Co., PA and they had a daughter Lillian Caroline ROEDER FRICK (1918-2017).? Gertie died 28 Aug 1975 in Allentown, PA and
is buried in the Schuylkill Memorial Park Cemetery in North Manheim Township,
Schuylkill Co., PA.? Gertie’s daughter died
in 2017 and her obituary listed her surviving grandson Glen L. AULENBACH of
Wakefield, RI.
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I am hoping to locate someone from this family so that the
photograph can be returned to the care of family.? If you are a member of this family or know someone
who might be, please contact me.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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Re: Roll Call? - FAUST - FISHER - SCHUMACHER - WEISS
That's OK Sharon - No need to apologize - It's really Spring here and time is getting spent more outside instead of inside !
My SCHUMACHER surname has morphed a few times over the past 200+ years leading up to SHUMACHER , SHUMAKER and SHOEMAKER
surname spellings showing up within the same individual family lines .And let's not forget about the Heinrichs who changed to Henrys and the Johannes who changed to Johns and the many who simply went by their middle names !
Stay Safe and Be Well,
Marianne
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Re: Roll Call? - FAUST - FISHER - SCHUMACHER - WEISS
Sorry for delay in reply.? I have a few Henry Schumachers in my tree, but none with the dates you list.
Sorry,
Sharon
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Sharon -
Lidia SCHUMACHER? b. 1796 in PA. d. 1840 Berks Co.? Lidia was my 1st Cousin 5x removed.
?Lidia nee SCHUMACHER FAUST was the daughter of Heinrich "Henry" SCHUMACHER b. 1773 in PA d. 1822 in Berks Co. and Frederica nee JUMBER or JUMPER b. March 1776 PA. d.Nov 1849 in Berks Co. Heinrich SCHUMACHER was my 4th Great Granduncle.
I agree that the FAUSTS seen in the Hain's Church records could very well be related to the Albany Township FAUSTS . All the Hans and Johannes make me dizzy too !
Marianne
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other variations of Smethers spelling is
Smither, Smathers, Smeathers, to Smothers when last generation went to Texas
Jacob Smethers is the
5th son William Smither & Maria Catherina
Jeakey of PA <my 5th?gr-grandad to his son
William Smeathers
mrd Mary Winters <my 4th?gr grandad.
William and Maria had 10 kids, 7 sons,
3 daus; we have?lots of cuzzies thru other sons known for sure.
Many cuzzies from Jacob's brother, William2
match us in?DNA so thats a great discovery we are on right DNA track!
Many of the men married German gals could not speak English so pronounced surname
as they thought it sounded
which made it difficult until DNA to research, DNA sure paid off for our 20 yrs of
researching this family.
The 7 sons eventually scattered in many directions.....Ohio, WA, Missouri, No Carolina,
Tennessee
eventually my own line went to Ky from TN then to Texas and stay put to this day.
I admin our Smothers Tribe DNA project 2002-2022 so now aware of other various Smothers
lines not related to us too......
Anyone who might know of this family or have any info to share, please do write me
Thanks kindly,
Nena
Smothers??
Nena Smothers NE WA~ Smothers Tribe DNA project Admin 2002-2022? ? smothersnena@...
4th?grt grandaughter William Smeathers 1766-1837
Dave Dowell project CO-Admin? ?infodoc@...? Smithey-Smither group
-- Nena Smothers Admin Smothers Tribe DNA project 2002-2020 smothersnena@...RESEARCHING >Smither>Smeathers>Smethers>Smathers>Smothers from PA>TN>NC>KY>TX ?
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Hi,
My roll call for Berks County is Gottschall, Bachert, Wenner (early), and Dornbach.
Gottschalls came in 1753 and Wenners in? 1734. Like to hear from any others with these names.
Syd Holt
sgholt@...
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Darrel Hockley
