Dear Listers,

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This will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania. Background information first:

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My search is for further information about Johann Georg (or Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There is another Klingmann couple on the ship, and I don’t know which of the men with Georg in his name is mine.

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“Kathrina” was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in 1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George, age 25 or 27 (or possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724.

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Hans Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on the passenger list. No child under three is listed. Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled. The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children.

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Alexander went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his letters exist. He gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the family lived “in the interior of the state [Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in locating the birthplace of Alexander.

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A North Carolina professional genealogist went to Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s parents or brother.

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The family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places are what I especially need.

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Some family historians assert that Alexander married Maria Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden, the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any documentation of this marriage has been found, and she must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina.

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Alexander had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania.

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If anyone can point me in the right direction for finding anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful.

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Thanks for any help!

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Lila Niemann Garner

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