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Re: Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania

Lila Garner All Messages By This Member #189 开云体育 Darren, Thank you so much for your help! I think Burgert's Vol 1 is in the Harlingen, Texas Library--I read the volumes that are in the McAllen Library but found nothing, and sort of gave up on it, but can go to Harlingen next week. Will want to document what she says. As far as Arthur K.'s book, I will have to try for that on inter-library loan but it may not circulate due to being a reference. You've given me a starting point. I will have to hire a genealogist to on-site research in property records unless they are digitized through the LDS--I'm almost 85 and no longer able to travel for research, which I miss!! Before I knew what you just told me, I wouldn't have known what county to look at. Family members have been looking for Alexander far longer than I (almost 40 years), but until his birth was indexed by the LDS, no one found him.? While the family was Lutheran in Germany, part of their reason for emigrating may have been to escape the power of the church, as many did.? Again, I really appreciate what you've found for me. Lila? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Darren Price <cleaverkin@...> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 19:02 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Klingmann/Clingman in Pennsylvania ? Annette Burgert's Eighteenth Century Emigrants Vol 1: The Northern Kraichgau, pp.208-209 lists both Georg Klingmann and Hans Jeorg Klingemann who were listed aboard the Samuel in 1732.? Her original research is about the former Georg (she suggests that "Thoredea" was?Georg's wife Anna Dorothea, and that they went first to Lancaster co., then York co.). For Hans Jeorg she cites Arthur K. Klingaman's The Klingaman Family History and Genealogy (1973), which suggests that Georg and Hans Jeorg were related, mentions the latter's wife Katharina and son Pieter, and further claims they "lived for a time near New Hanover [Montgomery co.] and then moved to Allemangel [Berks co.]."? No years are mentioned, but the cited source may have more info, if you can find it (there don't seem to be many library copies, although there's reportedly one not far from me). Allemangel Lutheran Church birth records started in 1740, but neither of John Humphrey's Berks County books (1710-1780, 1781-1800) list any variation of Klingemann at that church.? There are records from the 1780s-1790s at Trinity Lutheran in Reading, including children of a Peter Klingemann, but unlikely to be your Pieter (perhaps a son?).? The earlier book includes records of a few Ehrenhardt births (1760s-1770s), but they're from Rev. Daniel Schumacher's records, so don't indicate where in Berks co. You might check land and probate records in both Montgomery and Berks counties as well, if you haven't already. -Darren Price On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 1:04 PM Lila Garner <lilagarner@...> wrote: Dear Listers, ? This will be too long, and I apologize. I subscribed to this list because I don’t know where to start in Pennsylvania. Background information first: ? My search is for further information about Johann Georg (or Hans Georg) Klingmann and his wife “Kathrina” age 24, who arrived in Philadelphia on the ship Samuel in 1732. There is another Klingmann couple on the ship, and I don’t know which of the men with Georg in his name is mine. ? “Kathrina” was born Catharina Frey in Wieblingen-Heidelberg, Baden in 1700, so the age of the Kathrina on the ship is wrong. I didn’t find Georg’s birth, so I don’t know which George, age 25 or 27 (or possibly a wrong age), belongs to her and which Georg belongs to Thoredea. Hans Georg and Catharina were married in Wieblingen-Heidelberg in 1724. ? Hans Georg and Catharina’s son “Petter” (Peter) age 8, was really not quite 8--he was born 19 Apr 1725. Their son Alexander, born 23 May 1729 in Mannheim, Baden is not on the passenger list. No child under three is listed. Possibly he was not yet three when the list was compiled. The 1733 Samuel list does list younger children. ? Alexander went to North Carolina as a young adult and his life is well-documented there. His grandson, Gen. and Sen. Thomas Lanier Clingman, had absorbed family lore,and some of his letters exist. He gave the correct spelling of Alexander’s wife, Elisabeth Kaiser, stated that he believed that the family lived “in the interior of the state [Pennsylvania]”.?Thomas went to Germany, probably shortly after the Civil War, but reported being unsuccessful in locating the birthplace of Alexander. ? A North Carolina professional genealogist went to Pennsylvania on behalf of a client, but found nothing—at the time, he would not have known the names of Alexander’s parents or brother. ? The family was Lutheran. Both boys should have been confirmed in Pennsylvania. Peter probably married there. The parents must have died there. The parents’ death dates and places are what I especially need. ? Some family historians assert that Alexander married Maria Elisabeth Ehrenhardt, born in 1730 in Beidesheim, Baden, the daughter of Johannes Ehrenhardt. I don’t believe any documentation of this marriage has been found, and she must have died; Elisabeth Kaiser is almost certainly the mother of all of his children, but their marriage cannot be documented. Her parents lived in North Carolina. ? Alexander had Ehrenhardt neighbors in North Carolina which suggests that they came from the same general area in Pennsylvania. ? If anyone can point me in the right direction for finding anything about the lives and deaths of Alexander’s and Peter’s parents, I’ll be very grateful. ? Thanks for any help! ? Lila Niemann Garner ? ? ? ?

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