Yes Leszek,

See if you can get your hands on a copy for me.

Henryk

My brother's father-in-law served with the RAF during
WWII and wrote a memoir in Polish about his life.
Don't know if it's available for sale anywhere, but I
can check with my brother if anyone is interested.

Czesc,
Leszek
Calgary-In-The-Snow, Alberta

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I have never known where my parents were sent to in Russia and this
week low and behold I was looking at old pictures and found a little
one of my Mom ..flipped it over and on the back was written ...
Russia July 1942 ..town of KOLBISZOWA....can anyone tell me where
that is or was in Russia..I would love to be able to pin point it on
a map. Thanks

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Hallo Group,
I've just swallowed up For Your Freedom and Ours,
The Kosciuszko Squadron: Forgotten Heroes of World War
II (this is the title of the British edition, in US
it's Question of Honour).

My brother's father-in-law served with the RAF during
WWII and wrote a memoir in Polish about his life.
Don't know if it's available for sale anywhere, but I
can check with my brother if anyone is interested.

Czesc,
Leszek
Calgary-In-The-Snow, Alberta

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I have read Nie wroca bociany na Graniczna. Mr Wiernik does write well and with humour, he has written a few other books worth reading, they are on my kresy books pages

Paul

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Hallo Group, I've just swallowed up For Your Freedom and Ours,
The Kosciuszko Squadron: Forgotten Heroes of World War II (this is the title of the British edition, in US it's Question of Honour).Written by an American couple Lynne Olson aND Stanley Cloud, completely unconnected with Poland, hence the 'objective outsiders', it's a book which I think every Pole should buy to pass on to their children and grandchildren - as well as to pass around their sceptical Western friends!
The story of the heroic pilots, written with humour and sympathy,
seems to serve as a pretext to show the history of Poland this century - from the 1920 war, through German and Soviet invasions, the resistance, Polish contribution to war effort on different fronts, Battle of Britain, of course, Warsaw Rising, to the infamous Victory Parade. They have done excellent research, and there is an array of documents illustrating American and British politicians' shabby behaviour leading up to the Yalta decisions, hence less known.
It is a kind of book that, from a Polish point of view, could be subtitled: Polish history in the XXth cent. AS IT REALLY WAS...
Also, it is written with great verve and sensitivity - riveting. For those who can read Polish, I highly recommend a book published in the UK by Caldra House Ltd (1998): Nie wroca bociany na Graniczna - opowiesc kresowa. Written by a London based Romuald Wiernik, it's a story of a small town in Volynia - its carefree pre-war existence, then both occupations, and then the Ukrainian 'problems'. It's riveting and at times very funny, and shows the complexity of the tragedy of the Polish Kresy population better than anything I have read in a novel... You can get it through the POSK Bookshop in London.
Have a good read!
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Dear subscribers,

I have received a large number of requests to check on family names
in the list which has kindly been lent to me by Edward, an old
Polish gentleman who still lives in Tanganyika not far from the old
Tengeru camp.
I have faithfully replied to everybody - as well I should - having
made the offer myself.
However, I have slightly underestimated the number of interested
persons who have come forward.

I have meanwhile made frantic efforts in the South African town
where I live to see whether I could have the list scanned or
photocopied. It proved impossible; the size of the list is akward.
Scanning it bit by bit is no option because the paper is fragile.

I am going to Holland next week and I hope that I can have the list
scanned there onto a CD.

Please bear with me for a few weeks.

Kind regards,



Bert Bakker

Hallo Group,
I've just swallowed up For Your Freedom and Ours,
The Kosciuszko Squadron: Forgotten Heroes of World War II (this is the title of the British edition, in US it's Question of Honour).Written by an American couple Lynne Olson aND Stanley Cloud, completely unconnected with Poland, hence the 'objective outsiders', it's a book which I think every Pole should buy to pass on to their children and grandchildren - as well as to pass around their sceptical Western friends!
The story of the heroic pilots, written with humour and sympathy,
seems to serve as a pretext to show the history of Poland this century - from the 1920 war, through German and Soviet invasions, the resistance, Polish contribution to war effort on different fronts, Battle of Britain, of course, Warsaw Rising, to the infamous Victory Parade. They have done excellent research, and there is an array of documents illustrating American and British politicians' shabby behaviour leading up to the Yalta decisions, hence less known.
It is a kind of book that, from a Polish point of view, could be subtitled: Polish history in the XXth cent. AS IT REALLY WAS...
Also, it is written with great verve and sensitivity - riveting.

For those who can read Polish, I highly recommend a book published in the UK by Caldra House Ltd (1998): Nie wroca bociany na Graniczna - opowiesc kresowa. Written by a London based Romuald Wiernik, it's a story of a small town in Volynia - its carefree pre-war existence, then both occupations, and then the Ukrainian 'problems'. It's riveting and at times very funny, and shows the complexity of the tragedy of the Polish Kresy population better than anything I have read in a novel... You can get it through the POSK Bookshop in London.
Have a good read!
Jagna

Hi,

I noticed that many have had a few problems with MoD UK. I thought
that a few hints or tips may help when dealing with them.
The key issue that you will need to show MoD is that you are the
legal next of kin (NOK). If you are not then you need to have
written authority from the NOK. I know that it can be an issue if
you don't always have the details. However, my advise is to take the
standing that unless you know a closer relative that is alive then
you probably are the NOK.

You will have to sign an MoD Form 1000 Kinship form stating your
relationship and send in copies of proff of that relationship i.e.
marriage, birth, death certificates.

My letter enquiries were taking 10 days to turn round within UK.

Here are some details from thier web site:
(I have amended them slightly since the original is for all
applicants not only those wishing to access the Polish section)

Polish Records

Royal Navy and Army:

Army Personnel Centre
Polish Correspondence Section
Government Buildings
Bourne Avenue
Hayes
Middlesex
UB3 1RS

Email: defencerecords.hayes@...

Royal Air Force:
PMA(Sec)1b
Building 248A
RAF Innsworth
Gloucester
GL3 1EZ

(No web site or email address given)

Requests For Service Records

FAQs
Q. I am a former member of the Armed Forces. Can I obtain
information from my service record?
?????
A. Yes, please write to the relevant record office listed on the
service records page. You will need to provide some form of ID. This
can be a copy of a recent bill, driving license or passport. (See
above address)
?????
Q. I am the widow/widower or legal next of kin of an ex-serviceman.
Can I obtain information held on my spouses/parents/relatives
service record?
?????
A. Yes, however you will need to provide proof of death and kinship.
Please write to the relevant record office listed on the service
records page. (See above address)
?????
Q. I am not the widow/widower or legal next of kin of an ex-service
person. Can I obtain information about the ex-service person held on
service records?
?????
A. Only if you can obtain a letter of consent from either the person
the record belongs to or, if that person is deceased from the
widow/widower or legal next of kin. Once you have obtained the
letter of consent, please write to the relevant record office listed
on the service records page. (See above address)
?????
Q. What other information is required by the record offices to
access a service record?
?????
A. This varies slightly depending on whether the person was in the
Royal Navy, Army or Royal Air Force. Please refer to the information
held on the service records page.
?????
Q. Can I request a complete copy of my service record?
?????
A. Yes, please write to the relevant record office listed on the
service records page.
?????
Q. Will I have to pay?
?????
A. Only if your request is for genealogical/family tree reasons.
?????
Q. Why are requests for information held on service records made?
?????
A. The reasons for requests are varied. When you write to the
records offices, inform them of the reason why you are making the
request. This will assist them in supplying the correct information.
Some of the more common reasons for requests are:
Proof of service for joining military associations or
ex-services
organisations.
Proof of service to enable welfare assistance from ex-service
organisations.
Proof of occupancy of Married Quarters for local councils.
Researching family trees or history.
Information held on service medical records.
?????
Q. I need information about a veteran who was in the services in the
early 1920's or before. Where do I find it?
?????
A. Service records that reach a certain age, are archived at the
Public Records Office (PRO). Generally service records dating from
the early 1920's, or before, are held at the PRO however the date
varies according to which service the person was in. Please read the
information held on the Service Records page.

Hope this is of some use.

PS. Doea anyone have a similar rundown for the Sikorski Institute in
London UK?



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Dear Bert,

I would be happy to help make a database of the list - would you be able to photocopy the pages?? If 14 of us took a thousand names each and used a template so all the pages could be copied and pasted into one spreadsheed, it would be quicker than one person working alone - or if 28 would take 500 names, it could be even faster??? We could work in pairs so the typing of one person is checked by another to make it as accurate a list as possible.? It would be a smaller file to upload than a scan and possibly easier to read.

What does the team think?

Rosemarie
England

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Great News.

Its strange how our lives change with a simple email or even a short
phone call that one reads or makes. Today I was reading the messages
sent from the group, & came across a message from someone looking for
Golinski's.
The Golinski's being looked for were my father & uncle - the person
looking turned out to be my cousin, who I had no idea existed!

I would like to say a big "HELLO" to my cousin Anna Coates. It was
fantastic to talk to you, the family are all over the moon to hear
from you, & we look forward to speaking to you again soon.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Stefan
Wisniowski, Linda, and Tadeusz for all their help & advice.

Regards

Tony Golinski



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Hi Stefan,

I must apologise for giving the wrong address to the
group! Good job Bob was paying attention!

I understand that all Govt/MoD departments in UK have
a charter to answer the publics requests promptly and
communicate effectively. Moving base and not updating
websites etc does not sound to me as if they are on
top of this charter. I might just see if I can make
that point with them and see if they will update the
web site, place the MoD form 1000 on line for down
loading and accept email requests if only to give
yes/no answers. Or at least find out if it is in the
pipeline. It would save them time and money. The
objection might be that they want to register and
allocate a reference number first. However, that just
requires a flip in the process to change and makes
them more accessable to the general public.
It seems that they are moving from Nissan huts near
Millhill to an RAF base down the road at North Holt. I
suspect a few Poles have flow Spitfires and Hurricanes
out of that airfield in its time. Hopefully
communications can be improved on such a large base.
Need to find a friendly RAF Officer to see if he can
help out!

In your view do you think that the Sikorski Institute
could be coached round to being more 'user friendly'?
Or is it a lost cause? I am interested in a challenge
and if there was even a small chance of changing their
attitude would be willing to take it on. Of course it
would probably have to be in specific areas rather
than across the board. From your experience what is
the most requested information from the Institute.
Perhaps we could poll it on the board to find out?
Maybe even volunteer to set a website up for them?

Some things never change.... stores are for storing
sir or they would be called sign here and hand outs!
And now it seems archives are for archiving!

Be Interested to know your views on this.

Regards

Stephen

One point, MOD does not reply to e-mails - probably
their e-mail address is
obsolete.

As for SI, they are not currently in the information
access business like
MOD is. Perhaps in the future?

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Tony,?I have noticed that there is a Bert Bakker posting on this site.? Perhaps he is somebody you are looking for.? Hope you find what your looking for. ? Best wishes ? Vanessa Tomecki? ?

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Archives seem to be all over the place. I found my mothers birth certificate and finally obtained one fo her (she is now 78!) by going to the Gmina in Chelm which is the nearest town to the village where she was born which was Majdan Plawaniecki in 1925 whether archives dating back as far as that will be housed in similar fashion one never knows.



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Does anyone know if there is mention of the Sterna Family Maria, Wladyslawa and Danuta who were deported to Siberia and ended up in Kojo in Afrika are there any lits etc with entries for them?



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of possible interest to those with a historical bent:

Event: Horse Archery and Polish Winged Hussars Exhibition
Date: November 15-16, 2003
Time: 10-5 Saturday, 10-3 Sunday; the main equestrian demonstrations
are 1:30PM (Saturday) and 11 AM (Sunday)
Place: Timonian State Fairgrounds, Timonian MD
Cost: Exhibition only is Free. General admission is $5, kids under 14
free; includes the exhibition, visiting the Miniatures convention and
the `Virginia Renaissance Festival' entertainments
Contact: Rick Orli 348 N. Edison St. Arlington VA 22203 --
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(703) 575-6296(D)
Sponsors: Sienkiewicz Society, and Fall-In! Historical Miniatures
Convention
<mailto:som@...>



Brief Event Description:
Demonstration of horse archery and mounted `winged hussar' lancers of
the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth in the 17th C.

More:

Since the earliest days of horsemanship, those who would master the
grasslands of the world have first mastered the use of the bow and
lance. Up against effective guns and cannons in the 17th Century,
this ancient technology was still decisive in Eastern Europe and
Asia. In conjunction with the Fall-In! Miniatures game convention,
the Sienkiewicz Society - dedicated to celebration of the history and
culture of 17th C. Eastern Europe - is presenting a demonstration
of horse archery and mounted `winged hussar' lancers of the Polish
Lithuanian Commonwealth. We will also offer the adult public hands-
on matchlock musket, pike, saber, and cannon classes, and have
costume shows, games, music, and other activities for kids.

We are especially pleased that Lukas Novotny, head instructor for the
2003 International Horse Archery Festival, will be demonstrating his
skills for us in a special appearance.

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Also, on Nov. 1-2, 2003 at Fort Randolf in Point Plesant WVA, our
group is participating in the reenactment of the Siege of Torun in
1658. Cannons, hussars, and more! Most activities are planned in the
early afternoon (noon to 3PM).

Hello Ken,
In your introductory mail to the group, you said a lady in Poland was helping you find
information about your great-grandfather who had been deported to Siberia and
dispossessed. How did you find this lady? Was she someone you met in Poland
who has access to archives?
My great-great-grandfather too was deported after the 1863 uprising, and their land
near Lublin was seized. But I have not been able to figure out how to find out any
further information. Do you have any suggestions?

Barbara Davoust
Toulouse, France