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Re: Mis-information on A Forgotten Odyssey site
Custance.family
开云体育The account below certainly agrees with what my
uncles have told me (they were in Stolpin, near Lwow).?The incorrect
information should be deleted from the web site.
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Thank you for this description of the events in
Stryj. It is not only factual but colours the picture so that we can imagine
what it was like there in 1939 etc.
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Dianne
Hitchin, Herts
England
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Re: Photos
Custance.family
开云体育Julek
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It's great to hear that you have received my
photos. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of your work putting them on
the net etc. It would be a great bonus if someone from our site recognised
someone in the photos, but whatever happens I hope they all enjoy viewing
them.
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I am in England..........I confirm my whole address
is:
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24 Grange Close
Hitchin
Hertfordshire SG4 9HD
England
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Regards.
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Dianne Custance (Mrs)
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Related?
Custance.family
开云体育Hello Bela
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I'm wondering if we could be related through the
Fedorowicz family, my mother was Stefania Fedorowicz before she
married.
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On 22 July I wrote to you with details as
follows:
Welcome to the group. I wonder if we are distantly
related.
My mother's maiden name is Stefania Fedorowicz. She
and her family were deported from their home in Stolpin near Lwow in 1940. Her
father's name was Jan?and his parents, Michal and Anna, also lived in that
area. We don't know much about the family before the war, but perhaps your
family?is connected to ours in some way. Do you think this a possibility?
If you are interested you can read our family story on the group's personal
testimonies page.
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Regards.
Dianne
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Re: Related?
Custance.family
开云体育Hi Bela
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Look forward to hearing more from you regarding
whether or not we're related. I told mum about you but none of your names mean
anything to her. But she did have an uncle called Staszek who fought with the
Polish army in Italy and, after the war, he went to somewhere in South America
she thinks. But then you did say your husband's family left Poland a long time
before the war, 1902, didn't you?
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As far as the home page is concerned you just click
on whatever you want to view. For example on the left hand side you can click on
files, then when that page comes up if you click on personal testimonies you
will find the Fedorowicz family story. Also at the bottom of the page you can go
into The Forgotten Odyssey pages and find loads more information. Let me know if
you have any problems.
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Dianne
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Re: Surname suffix
Custance.family
开云体育Hi Ricardo
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You should try reading Straws in the Wind by Eugene
Krajewski. At the beginning of his story he talks about names ending in?ski
and wicz, which indicated noble ancestry. Very interesting and the whole book is
a must read for all of us. Very easy to read and a very good portrayal of
Eugene's family's experiences.
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Dianne
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Re: Another Lwow Site
Custance.family
开云体育Hi Paul
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Are these all pictures of Lwow? They are
fascinating! Thanks. If they are all of Lwow, I'm going to copy a few to add to
my family history that I have now completed.
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Dianne
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Re: FW: TENGERU Africa Polish photo album
Custance.family
开云体育Just a reminder that I have around 50 photos of
Tengeru, many of my family, but lots include other people who were there. It
would be interesting to know more about the photos for sale............re:
content. Mine of course are free for the group and I must make it a priority to
try and get them onto the site. I have borrowed a scanner but at present cannot
get it to work. Again showing my ignorance of computerised
components!
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Dianne
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Re: Photos
Custance.family
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Re: Photos
Custance.family
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Re: Photos
Custance.family
开云体育Hi Julek
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I have just looked at the 2 of ?mum's family
photos you've posted on the site. I am honoured to see?them at the front of
the Tengeru photos and feel it is a good idea to keep them there if everyone
agrees as they are a part of that era. Just one little thing ........the young
man on the right next to my babcia is Zbigniew, my uncle, who wrote our family
story as seen in the personal testimonies.
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I look forward to seeing the rest of the photos on
site and leave it up to your experience Julek to do what you feel you can with
them.............
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Dianne
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Re: Photos
Custance.family
开云体育Thank you Julek
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All your hard work is truly appreciated. Tell me
how do you manage to fit it all in. Sometimes I really struggle keeping up with
my daily life!!!!!!!!!! I have to try hard to not let my family suffer from my
new found mania for travelling into my family's past. I managed to open the
other CD you sent to me so I expect and hope the new one will be easy to
use.
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Thanks again.
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Dianne
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Re: Tergeru Photos
Custance.family
开云体育Hi everyone,
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Julek has asked for people to get in touch if
anyone is identified in my family's photos in Tengeru........I would also love
to hear from anyone who recognises anyone........there are friends of my mum and
my uncle that mum cannot put names to................we'd obviously love to
rectify this and hear what happened to some of their lost friends from
Africa.
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Dianne
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Re: Polscy Chlopcy
Linder Carole Ladbrooke
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You're poems are great and should be published, BEWARE, first, learn all about 'COPYWRITE' Then, a few idea's - Polish newspapers [some printed in London, UK, get sent everywhere] - eg; The Polish Daily Publishers Ltd, 63 Jeddo Road, LONDON W12 9ED England Tel; 020-8740-1991 Fax; 029-8746-1661 email; dziennik@... I can ask my friend, who used to work for this one, names of others, if you want, but there's probably ones near you. I know San Francisco/Texas + lot's more USA have them, also in CANADA. Can't some of our members, all over the world, give addresses of local printed newspaspers too? Linder -----Original Message-----
From: Anne Kaczanowski [mailto:annekaczanowski@...] Sent: 06 November 2004 09:34 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Polscy Chlopcy For new members.... Here is a poem I wrote last year for Rememberence Day. After all my education from the Kresy site, I finally understood our families plight, and had my father lived... these were words I would have liked to have finally told him. Perhaps for new members just starting, this will be helpful. This is also listed in the Kresy-Siberia site under Files and has the Polish Eagle emblem for those who wish to print with the emblem. hania Polscy Chlopcy Lest We Forget was boldly printed on the card To honour those who died for their countries while standing guard. They were men and boys, young and old, weak and strong, And each one was to be remembered with patriotic song. As long as I can remember, Nov. 11th was your special day. You shined up your war medals and donned your beret. As veterans paid tribute with wreaths of poppies upon the square, You proudly saluted the heavens to all the soldiers there. With old trembling hands you held your card and thought to years gone by. And every time the trumpets roared, I saw the tears that filled your eyes. What were you thinking that brought you such pain? Were you remembering Polscy Chlopcy that died in vain? Or were you thinking of your own sorrow and how this all began Because of greed and hatred, best expressed by man. Were your tears for your little village and all that was once yours? Or were your tears for the broken dreams snatched away by war. Germany was creating havoc and Poland knew there might be trouble in sight But she was assured there would be help, if she needed to fight. Great America and England promised if needed theyd rise to the plate But instead sat silent while Polands defeat became your fate. Were your tears for the broken promises made man to man? Or for how meaningless had become the shake of ones hand? Germans abounded from the west and the army was ready for almighty war But as they were pushed back, from the east came something more. On Sept 17, 1939, the Rusks like hungry vultures awaiting their prey Swarmed all around you with bayonets and for being Polish, youd pay. They occupied quickly and took Lwow, Wilno and Luck What did a young peasant boy know of promises the Nazis had made to the Rusks? In the cold of winter, they knocked on Kresyland doors ripping people from their sleep And yelled you have an hour to pack, dont waste the time to weep! Old people and children were herded like cattle into the snow And guns blasted loudly at those who said I wont go! Sleds and wagons carried you to the nearest railway stations Thus beginning for Kresowiacy, heartless and cruel deportations. Crammed into frozen boxcars with little food and hardly room to lay They prayed Swiety Boze i Matko Boska, please show us the way! After shuffling you into prison, black raven trucks and a windowless train They said Comrades dont cry, save your tears for future pain! We will send you Polscy Chlopcy to Archangel and Siberia If hunger doesnt kill you, therell be scurvy, typhoid and diptheria Oh God they were right when they said that God created heaven and the devil created Archangel. Temperatures so cold, you couldnt bear your skin, And if you dared spit, it froze in the wind. Newspapers and rags gently wrapped around your feet But be damned if youd let your spirit be beat. With backbreaking labour you crushed rocks for their roads Swinging axes and shovels load after load. For a grueling days work they fed you 700 grams of bread Anything less and youda soon been dead. At night, with barely enough clothing to warm your bones You fell fast asleep only to dream of more stones. And whoda thought in this land of Godforsaken ice Millions of bedbugs and those bastardly lice. On barges and boats they shuffled you around Then rumours of freedom started to abound. Dirty ol Stalin had found himself in a fix, As his good buddy Hitler pulled out a few more tricks. Stalin said Polscy Chlopcy, try to understand, This wasnt about you, I just wanted your land. Well toast to freedom, and with a new Polish Army well work side by side. Forget about all those men who died! So with release cards and empty stomachs he set you free You headed south where the army was supposed to be. Sikorski and Anders waited for the Polish Army to regroup As thousands of you half starved and sick arrived for bread and soup. Were your tears for all the women and children you passed on the road Each one beyond their years, showing scars of their merciless load? Did you cry for the corpses they callously threw into the wind? Or ask if this was punishment for man who had sinned? The Brits gave you uniforms and a white Polish eagle to wear on your shoulder General Anders restored your faith and put things in order. Stalin held back your bread and insisted that Polscy Chlopcy be sent to the front. Anders refused because he knew on Stalin he could no longer count. Anders moved his army to Persia in order for Polscy Chlopcy to survive. The Caspian Sea carried you to Pahlevi, some barely alive. With wounded souls and bodies frail Thousands were left behind and missed the last sail. Were you thinking of this when you choked back the tears? Knowing how much they continued to suffer for many more years. You became a proud soldier in Polish 2nd Corps And fought in Monte Cassino with much determined force. Pulled from rags in Russia, Polscy Chlopcy passed the test They became a great army and certainly one of the best. Polish blood soaked the soil from your countrymen that laid dead Amongst the shattered poppies that were already red. Polscy Chlopcy stood proud and still As they placed their countrys flag upon the captured hill. The white eagle soared with victorious delight For all the exiled soldiers who had won their fight. The world celebrated with victory parades and promised fences to mend But Polscy Chlopcy were not invited to attend. Great America and England let Stalin take your land So what exactly you had fought for, was hard to understand. To appease the Communists you were again deported and pushed aside With spirits crushed and broken hearts, valiant soldiers cried. Instead of paying you tribute they made you search for home in a new place While they demobilized your army just to save face. Did you weep for your family for whom you would never again see? Or the loss of their freedoms, while you were in a new land and free? Were your tears for Polscy Chlopcy as they were being called D.P.s Or for the suggestions that you change your Polish name and drop the ski ? You remained proud to your heritage and kept your name. This was all you had left and it bore you no shame. On Remembrance Day, you stood alone as you remembered those who died Because there were no Polscy Chlopsy to share your memories, at your side. There was no one here that had shared your footsteps from the past. And many of the young never cared to ask. They had never been to war, and they didnt understand What it really meant to lose ones land. Today I stand alone, holding your polished medals at your grave, And I thank you with all my heart for being so brave. I thank you for the Polish heritage that you passed on to me And for raising me in a country, where I am blessed to be free. For Polscy Chlopcy, I will scatter red poppies in the wind, just for you And I will do my best to my heritage be true. And when the trumpets roar, I too, will salute the skies For now I finally understand the tears in your eyes. Written in memory of my father Kazimierz Kaczanowski Hania Kaczanowska 2003 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: medal ribbons
Linder Carole Ladbrooke
开云体育Dear
John,
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Linder
here, don't know if you managed to sort new 'medal' ribbons
yet?
If
not, 2 idea's
'http://www.home.golden..net/~medals/others.html#
'http://www.home.golden.net/~medals/IIrp.html#
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or
write to Mrs M Goddard at Polish Army Records [address on AFO]. She knows who
bought up the surplus of ?Polish medals [uncollected]. They're not made any
more. He was Dr K ?'something' in London. Looking for other stuff for
you
Linder
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Welcom
Wladyslaw Czapski
I greet.
My history 1939-1947 is on page: www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm After Polish and Anglsh. I invite to cooperation. ---------------ooo-(.)(.)-ooo---------------------------- INFO SERVICE POLAND (1981) Mr. W.S. CZAPSKI POLAND 50-983 WROCLAW 14 P.O.BOX 1954 TEL/FAX/BBS:+48 (71) 3383838 mobile:+48 (601) 511109 e-mail: biorytm@... Uzupenieniem oprawy uroczystoci moe ju by przeniesienie wizi emocjonalnej rodowiska (urodziny, lub, ...) rozsianego po wiecie NATYCHMIAST!! w postaci: tekstu, gosu, foto, video - elektronicznie. Wystarczy wskaza adresy poczty elektronicznej. ZAPRASZAMY. ----------------------------------------------------------:)))))) |
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Cindi Gibson (Konieczek + Syczewski)
You might also try the Sikorski institute, they possibly might have some
info on this
Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum, 20 Princes Gate, London SW7 1PT, Tel; (00 48) (0)207 589 9249 Paul Cindi
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Cindi
My apologies, something went wrong with the last post
Cindi try this address as well Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum, 20 Princes Gate, London SW7 1PT, Tel; (00 48) (0)207 589 9249 Paul
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Re: Cindi
Pozdrowienia/Greetings to everybody and congratulations
to Stefan for setting up this valuable group! Hello Cindi, You mention the town/village of Strzelce. A hasty search found several such names in present-day Poland but none of them were under Soviet occupation in 1939-40 during the deportations. However Tadeusz Piotrowski in "Poland's Holocaust" mentions the village of Strzelce in the context of Ukrainian villages attacked by Poles in 1943 (p 383). This village lies in eastern Poland in Hrubieszow County halfway between Lublin and Lwow, and seems to have been close to the Nazi-Soviet Demarcation Line. I am sure books on the subject will yield further info on Strzelce. Cindi you mentioned Africa, Pakistan, Iran and Iraq. In a nutshell the route taken by my mother (and many Poles) following the "amnesty" was to leave the camps/farms/mines and travel south through Asiatic USSR to join the Polish Army, and then as Polish soldiers or lucky civilian set off from the port of Krasnovodsk across the Caspian Sea to Pahlevi, Persia (Iran) and the jurisdiction of the British. Those in the Polish Army went on to train in the Middle East (my father's route)including Iraq, and further to fight in Italy. Some orphans and civilians went to India (Karacahi was then in India) while others found refuge in British East Africa, Mexico, New Zealand. Many emigrated to the USA, Canada, South Africa, Britain etc. Some were repatriated to Poland. The majority perished in the USSR. "Stolen Childhood - A Saga of Polish War Children" by Lucjan Krolikowski is a book which I highly recommmend on this subject. It should be available in English-speaking libraries. The recently-published "Exiled to Siberia - A Polish Child's WWII Journey" by Klaus Hergt is available in bookstores and on the internet. The same for "Without Vodka: Wartime Adventures in Russia" by Aleksander Topolski. These three books are highly-readable and personal accounts. There are other books available in Polish. Good Luck, Chris Gladun, Toronto |
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Steve Roy
I think it's a good move to goto an automated group.
Like Stefan mentioned being a YahooGroup there are sponsors adverts on each message. Presently I am working with Stefan on a website associated with the group. I also hope to be able to offer (soon) a mailing list for the group with the usual subscribe and unsubscribe features. This could also be associated with the website domainname/website. Once the dust settles from getting the website underway I'll have more time to look at the mailing list - if needed. Cheers Steve |
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