Lee
If you already have a router in your home system that has an empty
port, that will really get you up much faster.? That way you can?
use the new DHCP functions in the unit.? You should be able to find
the ip address in the hand control under menu>mount>network.,
of just try and see it that works.
Tom Hilton
On 2/22/2011 10:04 AM, lroehrdanz wrote:
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Ok. If anything crops up that I can't attribute to user
confusion, I'll post a question here.
Next step: snag a cross over cable and play with the
ethernet side of it. Then make suitable sacrifices for
clear skies and maybe even get to use it! Then the one
piece worm blocks and on and on...
Thanks again!
Lee
--- In Gemini-II@...,
"tom@..." wrote:
>
> Lee I really don 't know
>
> Good day
> Tom Hilton
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: lroehrdanz
> To: Gemini-II@...
> Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 02:01:09 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [Gemini-II] Re: New G11/Gemini II
>
> Tom,
> That did it - thanks! Anything I should watch out for
with it being a
> modified 32 bit driver?
>
> Cheers!
> Lee
>
> --- In Gemini-II@...,
"tom@" wrote:
> >
> > Lee
> > That's because it is not a 64 bit version. I
have uploaded the 64 bit
> > version.
> > Give that a try. Please note that is is a
modified 32 bit version that
> > was created by one of the beta testers.
> > Tom Hilton
> >
> > On 2/21/2011 6:44 PM, lroehrdanz wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today!
Can't wait to get it outside
> > > and play with it! I am having a little
trouble getting the USB
> > > connection to work and I'm hoping someone
can help. When I plug in the
> > > cable, it installs as an unknown, "Other"
device. When I try to update
> > > the driver and point it to the Gemini
II.inf file I downloaded from
> > > here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver
and to make sure it's
> > > compatible. I'm running Windows 7
Professional, 64 bit. What am I
> > > doing wrong?
> > >
> > > Any help is greatly appreciated!
> > > Lee
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Ok. If anything crops up that I can't attribute to user confusion, I'll post a question here.
Next step: snag a cross over cable and play with the ethernet side of it. Then make suitable sacrifices for clear skies and maybe even get to use it! Then the one piece worm blocks and on and on...
Thanks again!
Lee
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Good day
Tom Hilton
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-----Original message-----
From: lroehrdanz <res09wpc@...>
To: Gemini-II@...
Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 02:01:09 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Gemini-II] Re: New G11/Gemini II
Tom,
That did it - thanks! Anything I should watch out for with it being a
modified 32 bit driver?
Cheers!
Lee
--- In Gemini-II@..., "tom@" <tom@> wrote:
Lee
That's because it is not a 64 bit version. I have uploaded the 64 bit
version.
Give that a try. Please note that is is a modified 32 bit version that
was created by one of the beta testers.
Tom Hilton
On 2/21/2011 6:44 PM, lroehrdanz wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today! Can't wait to get it outside
and play with it! I am having a little trouble getting the USB
connection to work and I'm hoping someone can help. When I plug in the
cable, it installs as an unknown, "Other" device. When I try to update
the driver and point it to the Gemini II.inf file I downloaded from
here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver and to make sure it's
compatible. I'm running Windows 7 Professional, 64 bit. What am I
doing wrong?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Lee
|
Hi Rainer
I just set you an invite to join the
You may accept it or apply at the above link.
If the ASCOM Gemini.net driver has the Altitude limit setting ? eg. Can I tell the mount to stop at a certain altitude and do a Go Home slew, I am not aware of it.
Tom Hilton
|
Hi Paul,
Thanks. I just decided that I am going to give ASCOM a try again.
Which is the correct version for Gemini I and where can I download it ?
Now that I solved a major issue with oval stars and I dog et round stars now it is time to go into a new adventure :-)
Off Topic question.
" Does the ASCOM driver have an Altitude limit setting ? eg. Can I tell the mount to stop at a certain altitude and do a Go Home slew ? I am not talking about the known East and West Limit settings for RA. "
regards Rainer
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Hi Rainer,
Maybe it's because a lot of people use ASCOM? :-) The ASCOM driver remembers the target coordinates after the flip, so a Sync or Add'l Align will work just fine on the other side.
People who use GCC, probably simply execute another 'goto' to the same object after the meridian flip. It's easy and takes very little time.
If you really feel this is a major issue, maybe you should contact Daniel? This is something he would have to change in GCC. Gemini already provides a command to flip to the object coordinates (:MM).
Regards,
-Paul
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Hallo everybody, Finally, after the advices of Russell Jancinc from Losmandy I could solve the problem on the Gemini 2 Main Board which was bad flashed for a partner and it caused a serious problem of comunication with the unit. Russell adviced me to do a telnet connection with the main board using a? DB9-RJ12 cable that I built for this. I have used the HyperTerminal included with Windows to connect with the Gemini, previosly I had done a new Micro SD card with including the lastest NewGem.bin file and folders as is exposed on the files section of the group and following the instructions and help from Tom Hilton. I have also put the lastes HC firmware bin file on the HC Firmware folder on this Micro SD as Tom adviced me. To can start the connection with the Gemini by
Hyperterminal is necessary to have the classic hand controller of Losmany, fortune, I had one!, if not it is possible to do an RJ12 adapter. After stablished connection I could reprogram the unit using the NewGem.bin and a PROG command on hyperterminal. After this I power off the unit, plugged the Gemini II Hand Control and power on... yes, it works! and the lastest HC Firmware is updating on the HC.. now all is ready to work. This new board and HC looks very very good.. I have to thank to all the people who has helped me and supported me with this matter, I have learned a lot, the problems usually are a good oprtunity to learn, it?s not too funny but you can learn a lot.... Special thanks to Tom Hilton and Russell Jancinc... Ok, I hope I can offer a little help to anyone !! I have now some questions about some tips on the Gemini II, but I will ask in another post. Thank you very much! Miguel Angel Pérez Hernández
Alpha Cygni S.L.
c/ San Agustín, 23
38410 - Los Realejos
S.C. de Tenerife
Islas Canarias - Espa?a
Tlf/fax: 0034 922 34 30 38
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they probably just modified the INF file so Win 7 64bit will
recognize it.
since it's a client side driver (i.e. it's not driving hardware)
it shouldn't have a problem.
?
I did a similar thing for a Atmel usb driver some time back and
never had a problem
FWIW:? Win7 64bit has a 32bit thunking layer to allow 32bit
apps to work just like previous versions of windows.
if it drove the action hardware I might worry but not in this
case.
?
Doug
?
From:
Gemini-II@... [mailto:Gemini-II@...] On Behalf Of lroehrdanz
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 9:01 PM
To: Gemini-II@...
Subject: [Gemini-II] Re: New G11/Gemini II
?
?
Tom,
That did it - thanks! Anything I should watch out for with it being a modified
32 bit driver?
Cheers!
Lee
--- In Gemini-II@...,
"tom@..." wrote:
>
> Lee
> That's because it is not a 64 bit version. I have uploaded the 64 bit
> version.
> Give that a try. Please note that is is a modified 32 bit version that
> was created by one of the beta testers.
> Tom Hilton
>
> On 2/21/2011 6:44 PM, lroehrdanz wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today! Can't wait to get it outside
> > and play with it! I am having a little trouble getting the USB
> > connection to work and I'm hoping someone can help. When I plug in
the
> > cable, it installs as an unknown, "Other" device. When I
try to update
> > the driver and point it to the Gemini II.inf file I downloaded from
> > here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver and to make sure it's
> > compatible. I'm running Windows 7 Professional, 64 bit. What am I
> > doing wrong?
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated!
> > Lee
> >
> >
>
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Lee I really don 't know
Good day
Tom Hilton
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message----- From: lroehrdanz <res09wpc@...>
To: Gemini-II@...
Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 02:01:09 GMT+00:00
Subject: [Gemini-II] Re: New G11/Gemini II
?
Tom,
That did it - thanks! Anything I should watch out for with it being a modified 32 bit driver?
Cheers!
Lee
--- In Gemini-II@..., "tom@..." <tom@...> wrote:
>
> Lee
> That's because it is not a 64 bit version. I have uploaded the 64 bit
> version.
> Give that a try. Please note that is is a modified 32 bit version that
> was created by one of the beta testers.
> Tom Hilton
>
> On 2/21/2011 6:44 PM, lroehrdanz wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today! Can't wait to get it outside
> > and play with it! I am having a little trouble getting the USB
> > connection to work and I'm hoping someone can help. When I plug in the
> > cable, it installs as an unknown, "Other" device. When I try to update
> > the driver and point it to the Gemini II.inf file I downloaded from
> > here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver and to make sure it's
> > compatible. I'm running Windows 7 Professional, 64 bit. What am I
> > doing wrong?
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated!
> > Lee
> >
> >
>
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Tom,
That did it - thanks! Anything I should watch out for with it being a modified 32 bit driver?
Cheers!
Lee
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--- In Gemini-II@..., "tom@..." <tom@...> wrote:
Lee
That's because it is not a 64 bit version. I have uploaded the 64 bit
version.
Give that a try. Please note that is is a modified 32 bit version that
was created by one of the beta testers.
Tom Hilton
On 2/21/2011 6:44 PM, lroehrdanz wrote:
Hi all,
Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today! Can't wait to get it outside
and play with it! I am having a little trouble getting the USB
connection to work and I'm hoping someone can help. When I plug in the
cable, it installs as an unknown, "Other" device. When I try to update
the driver and point it to the Gemini II.inf file I downloaded from
here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver and to make sure it's
compatible. I'm running Windows 7 Professional, 64 bit. What am I
doing wrong?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Lee
|
Lee
That's because it is not a 64 bit version.? I have uploaded the 64
bit version.
Give that a try.? Please note that is is a modified 32 bit version
that was created by one of the beta testers.
Tom Hilton
On 2/21/2011 6:44 PM, lroehrdanz wrote:
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Show quoted text
?
Hi all,
Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today! Can't wait to get
it outside and play with it! I am having a little trouble
getting the USB connection to work and I'm hoping someone
can help. When I plug in the cable, it installs as an
unknown, "Other" device. When I try to update the driver
and point it to the Gemini II.inf file I downloaded from
here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver and to make
sure it's compatible. I'm running Windows 7 Professional,
64 bit. What am I doing wrong?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Lee
|
Hi all,
Well, I got my brand new G11-G2 today! Can't wait to get it outside and play with it! I am having a little trouble getting the USB connection to work and I'm hoping someone can help. When I plug in the cable, it installs as an unknown, "Other" device. When I try to update the driver and point it to the Gemini II.inf file I downloaded from here, it tells me it's not a Windows driver and to make sure it's compatible. I'm running Windows 7 Professional, 64 bit. What am I doing wrong?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Lee
|
Hi Rainer
here is a link to the what the catalog web page of the Gemini 2
looks like with M2 selected as a target.
Notice the enforce flip check box above the GoTo Object box.? The
pdf is not really a true representation of the page as the
Catalogues listing is on the right and the
Objects selection is on the left.? They are side by side on the
actual web page.
Tom
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Hi,
Well looks like because everybody assumes things, the
World is what it is :-)
It is interesting to read about the fact that nobody ??
had this issue, so I have to ask myself how do they all
compute the meridian flip error ??
regards Rainer
--- In Gemini-II@...,
"bakersfieldbiker" wrote:
>
> Hi Rainer,
> Sorry, I just assumed with your observatory and
splendid setup, that you were automated. :^)
> I can not really say that I have had the issue you
described with the G-11 when I had it.
> Floyd
>
|
Hi Rainer,
Maybe it's because a lot of people use ASCOM? :-) The ASCOM driver remembers the target coordinates after the flip, so a Sync or Add'l Align will work just fine on the other side.
People who use GCC, probably simply execute another 'goto' to the same object after the meridian flip. It's easy and takes very little time.
If you really feel this is a major issue, maybe you should contact Daniel? This is something he would have to change in GCC. Gemini already provides a command to flip to the object coordinates (:MM).
Regards,
-Paul
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--- In Gemini-II@..., "Rainer" <rsbfoto@...> wrote:
Hi,
Well looks like because everybody assumes things, the World is what it is :-)
It is interesting to read about the fact that nobody ?? had this issue, so I have to ask myself how do they all compute the meridian flip error ??
regards Rainer
--- In Gemini-II@..., "bakersfieldbiker" <fblue@> wrote:
Hi Rainer,
Sorry, I just assumed with your observatory and splendid setup, that you were automated. :^)
I can not really say that I have had the issue you described with the G-11 when I had it.
Floyd
|
Hola Rainer,
Thank You. Finally I think we are getting to the root of the
problem ...
" or order Gemini2 with the web interface and the graphical HC both
offering the flip option ;-)"
guess you are to often in UK ( I like your Black humour )
Sorry, I've never been, I've been too busy so far, most of the time
implementing new features.
Just because of that I can not spend I do not know how many
Thousand US dollars :-)
Maybe I can offer you my well used G2 for only $5kUSD ?? 8-)
? Knowing what is going on helps to avoid those little inbetween
steps.
I always thought that Gemini knew to which object it was doing the
Meridian Flip.
It does, if the flip is done for an object, not separately. Gemini is
at your command.
Will try to get hold of Daniel. He seems to be very busy ...
I've already told him about your wishes.
? Where can I learn more about your comment ...
" ... with the web interface ... "
It is the first time I read this. I guess this option allows me to
connect to the Gemini II via an Ethernet cable ...
Simply here. There's not only the web server. Beside Ethernet (and
ASCOM working over it), you've also have the USB connection to get rid
of the Serial2USB converters.
And, there's much more ;-)
搁别苍é
|
Hi,
Well looks like because everybody assumes things, the World is what it is :-)
It is interesting to read about the fact that nobody ?? had this issue, so I have to ask myself how do they all compute the meridian flip error ??
regards Rainer
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--- In Gemini-II@..., "bakersfieldbiker" <fblue@...> wrote:
Hi Rainer,
Sorry, I just assumed with your observatory and splendid setup, that you were automated. :^)
I can not really say that I have had the issue you described with the G-11 when I had it.
Floyd
|
Hi 搁别苍é,
Thank You. Finally I think we are getting to the root of the problem ...
" or order Gemini2 with the web interface and the graphical HC both offering the flip option ;-)
"
I guess you are to often in UK ( I like your Black humour )
Just because of that I can not spend I do not know how many Thousand US dollars :-)
Knowing what is going on helps to avoid those little inbetween steps.
I always thought that Gemini knew to which object it was doing the Meridian Flip.
Will try to get hold of Daniel. He seems to be very busy ...
? Where can I learn more about your comment ...
" ... with the web interface ... "
It is the first time I read this. I guess this option allows me to connect to the Gemini II via an Ethernet cable ...
regards Rainer
|
Hallo Rainer,
Well I have the same error even when I am just doing it in GCC.
1. GoTo Aldebaran
2. Center it via the GCC handpad
3. Do an Additional Align
OK
4. Invoke a Meridian Flip
G11 slews to Aldebaran as wanted
No. It does not slew to Aldebaran, it flips to the current coordinates.
For Gemini, this is just a RA/DEC position that replaces the previously
selected object Aldebaran.
Gemini can do a GoTo Aldebaran with the flip option, by sending :MM#
instead of :MS# instead. You will have to ask Daniel if he includes
this as an option into GCC.
5. Centering with the GCC Handpad
6. Do an Additional Align
and PENG the ERROR comes up
No problem
Steps 5 and 6 don't help, see above.
7. Make a GoTo to Aldebaran again
8. Center with the GCC Handpad
9. Do an Additional Align
10. Everything OK and new values appear in the Hardware window
? So ? what is the next step ...
As you prefer... ask Daniel if he adds a checkbox for the flip to the
Catalogs screen, change your procedure as described above, or order
Gemini2 with the web interface and the graphical HC both offering the
flip option ;-)
搁别苍é
regards Rainer
--- In Gemini-II@...,
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>
> Thanks for your reply Rainer and Tom. I'll read the User Manual to
> understand. I'm afraid to talk in generalities rather than one
specific
> procedure.
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>
> De: Gemini-II@...
[mailto:Gemini-II@...]
En nombre
> de tomhilton1
> Enviado el: domingo, 20 de febrero de 2011 4:45
> Para: Gemini-II@...
> Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip
>
>
>
>
>
> Felipe
> Since it is intended that the Gemini 2 will have all the features
of the
> Gemini 1, I would expect it to also have the meridian flip
command. The
> Gemini 1 already has a meridian Flip command. It is under the
Quick menu.
>
> Tom Hilton
>
> --- In Gemini-II@...
,
> "Rainer" wrote:
> >
> > Hola Felipe,
> >
> > Well what I am talking about is a complete different think as
what you are
> asking.
> >
> > You want to have an automatic meridian flip which could be
invoked at a
> certain altitude angle which I guess is not very dificult but you
still have
> the uncertainty if the object is in the center of your camera or
not and
> that can only be solved with a so called Plate solve using the
existing
> software packages.
> >
> > I am talking about the fact that Gemini I does not know to
which object it
> did GoTO after invoking the meridian. At least not using GCC
> >
> > saludos Rainer
> >
> > --- In Gemini-II@...
,
> "felipe largo" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian
flip" because I
> did a
> > > question in the forum and have not had any response .
> > >
> > > I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if
the topic is not
> > > resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..
> > >
> > > MESSAGE 132 in the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
> > > Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
> > > I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian
flip. "
> > > Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the
operation and the
> Not
> > > Lose position of the object?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards ..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Felipe Largo
> > > <>
(quasarobservatory)
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > De: Gemini-II@...
> [mailto:Gemini-II@...
] En
> nombre
> > > de Rainer
> > > Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
> > > Para: Gemini-II@...
> > > Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking
that everybody
> has
> > > or uses the same as we do :-)
> > >
> > > I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.
> > >
> > > I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I
Yahoo group and
> it
> > > fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was
doing some
> additional
> > > alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind
again.
> > >
> > > Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied
with some important
> > > stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks
like I am always a few
> > > steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)
> > >
> > > Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)
> > >
> > > regards Rainer
> > >
> > > --- In Gemini-II@...
> ,
> > > "tom@" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rainer
> > > > PS
> > > > you might want to tell them up front that you do
not use any ASCOM
> based
> > > > program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will
not get replies such
> > > > as Floyd's because they will have this information
up front.
> > > >
> > > > Good day
> > > > Tom Hilton
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Hi Rainer,
Sorry, I just assumed with your observatory and splendid setup, that you were automated. :^)
I can not really say that I have had the issue you described with the G-11 when I had it.
Floyd
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Hi Floyd,
OK, I understand, but please understand that not everybody has CCD Auto Pilot for making a plate solve, not everybody has as well as The Sky Pro 6 and not everybody works with ASCOM, ? OK ? :-) Thanks :-)
For me that is a forgotten thing or something else that Gemini does not remember to which object it slewed when one wants to make an immediate ccentering of the object and an additional align without having to do a new GoTo to the object in question ...
regards Rainer
--- In Gemini-II@..., "bakersfieldbiker" <fblue@> wrote:
I just let CCDAutoPilot Plate solve after the flip, using Pinpoint and The Sky 6 Pro, it then is right on targer. But, I never really have any issue after a flip finding a star or object.
Floyd
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Hallo 搁别苍é,
Well I have the same error even when I am just doing it in GCC.
1. GoTo Aldebaran
2. Center it via the GCC handpad
3. Do an Additional Align
OK
4. Invoke a Meridian Flip
G11 slews to Aldebaran as wanted
5. Centering with the GCC Handpad
6. Do an Additional Align
and PENG the ERROR comes up
No problem
7. Make a GoTo to Aldebaran again
8. Center with the GCC Handpad
9. Do an Additional Align
10. Everything OK and new values appear in the Hardware window
? So ? what is the next step ...
regards Rainer
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understand. I'm afraid to talk in generalities rather than one specific
procedure.
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De: Gemini-II@... [mailto:Gemini-II@...] En nombre
de tomhilton1
Enviado el: domingo, 20 de febrero de 2011 4:45
Para: Gemini-II@...
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip
Felipe
Since it is intended that the Gemini 2 will have all the features of the
Gemini 1, I would expect it to also have the meridian flip command. The
Gemini 1 already has a meridian Flip command. It is under the Quick menu.
Tom Hilton
--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rainer" <rsbfoto@> wrote:
Hola Felipe,
Well what I am talking about is a complete different think as what you are
asking.
You want to have an automatic meridian flip which could be invoked at a
certain altitude angle which I guess is not very dificult but you still have
the uncertainty if the object is in the center of your camera or not and
that can only be solved with a so called Plate solve using the existing
software packages.
I am talking about the fact that Gemini I does not know to which object it
did GoTO after invoking the meridian. At least not using GCC
saludos Rainer
--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"felipe largo" <frlargo@> wrote:
Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian flip" because I
did a
question in the forum and have not had any response .
I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if the topic is not
resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..
MESSAGE 132 in the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian flip. "
Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the operation and the
Not
Lose position of the object?
Regards ..
Felipe Largo
<> (quasarobservatory)
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[mailto:Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ] En
nombre
de Rainer
Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
Para: Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com>
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip
Hi,
Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that everybody
has
or uses the same as we do :-)
I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.
I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group and
it
fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some
additional
alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.
Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some important
stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always a few
steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)
Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)
regards Rainer
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<mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"tom@" <tom@> wrote:
Hi Rainer
PS
you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM
based
program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.
Good day
Tom Hilton
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Thanks for your reply Rainer and Tom.? I'll read the User Manual to understand. I'm afraid to talk in generalities rather than one specific
procedure.
Escuchar
Leer fonéticamente
?
Diccionario -
?
Regards
?
De: Gemini-II@... [mailto:Gemini-II@...] En nombre de tomhilton1
Enviado el: domingo, 20 de febrero
de 2011 4:45
Para: Gemini-II@...
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian
Flip
?
?
Felipe
Since it is intended that the Gemini 2 will have all the features of the Gemini
1, I would expect it to also have the meridian flip command. The Gemini 1
already has a meridian Flip command. It is under the Quick menu.
Tom Hilton
--- In Gemini-II@...,
"Rainer" wrote:
>
> Hola Felipe,
>
> Well what I am talking about is a complete different think as what you are
asking.
>
> You want to have an automatic meridian flip which could be invoked at a
certain altitude angle which I guess is not very dificult but you still have
the uncertainty if the object is in the center of your camera or not and that
can only be solved with a so called Plate solve using the existing software
packages.
>
> I am talking about the fact that Gemini I does not know to which object it
did GoTO after invoking the meridian. At least not using GCC
>
> saludos Rainer
>
> --- In Gemini-II@...,
"felipe largo" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian
flip" because I did a
> > question in the forum and have not had any response .
> >
> > I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if the topic is
not
> > resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..
> >
> > MESSAGE 132 in
the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
> > Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
> > I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian flip.
"
> > Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the operation and the
Not
> > Lose position of the object?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards ..
> >
> >
> >
> > Felipe Largo
> > <>
(quasarobservatory)
> >
> > _____
> >
> > De: Gemini-II@...
[mailto:Gemini-II@...]
En nombre
> > de Rainer
> > Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
> > Para: Gemini-II@...
> > Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that
everybody has
> > or uses the same as we do :-)
> >
> > I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.
> >
> > I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group
and it
> > fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some
additional
> > alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.
> >
> > Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some
important
> > stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always
a few
> > steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)
> >
> > Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)
> >
> > regards Rainer
> >
> > --- In Gemini-II@...
,
> > "tom@" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rainer
> > > PS
> > > you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any
ASCOM based
> > > program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies
such
> > > as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.
> > >
> > > Good day
> > > Tom Hilton
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
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Hallo 搁别苍é,
Thanks for your answer and French no :-)
Well from your answer I guess I know now from where my problem comes and will have to investigate further ...
I guess Daniel does not read this Yahoo group ??
I have made the experience that slewing from 2 different parts eg. if I elaborate an alignment model from GCC or I elaborate it from my preferred planetarium programm, I have found out that I have discrepancies in pointing accuacy and so I elaborate my alignment model from Sky Map Pro which I then use for making the GoTo's for my imaging sessions but when I want to add the Meridian Flip error with an additional align and therefore I use the Meridian Flip from GCC and now I think from there comes the problem.
I make all GoTo OBjects commands from Sky Map Pro and use the additional align command of GCC (NOT Handcontrol emulation in GCC).
After having the first alignment model then I do a GoTo and object using Sky Map Pro, do a centering and additional in GCC, then on the same object I command a Meridian Flip from GCC ...
... and then the problem arises when I center the object with GCC (NOT Handcontrol emulation in GCC) and want to make an additional on the flipped object ...
I think now that if I make a GoTo and object within GCC, center, do a Meridian Flip and center and aditional align it could be I do not have the error ...
Will try it tonight to see what happens.
So what I wanted to say is that maybe Sky Map uses other sort of command as GCC does and so the confusion arises :-)
Again thanks for explaining the commands which made me come to this conclusion
That is what ahppens when one uses 2 possibilities to do a GoTo to an object thinking that they both interact in the same manner with the Gemini.
I have GCC connected directly to the Gemini via serial cable into the RS 232 port and my Planetarium program interacts via a Thomas Hilton adapter into the Handcontroller port (female DB 15 port)
Grüsse Rainer
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--- In Gemini-II@..., Rene Goerlich <Rene@...> wrote:
Hi Rainer,
Well then I must be stupid ... Next time I will do a screen shot of
the error GCC is giving me ...
? Have you made after centering the object an " Additional Align "
command ?
Of course the mount goes to the object chosen for the meridian Flip
but when I do not repeat a GoTo to the object by chosing it again and
then centering and then doing an additional align the roor comes up ...
? Clear now ?
I think my english is not understood ...
For sure you are not stupid and I know that you could ask these
questions perfectly in German and Spanish and surely in French too
within a second.
I think the problem is that you have to differentiate between the kinds
of meridian flips possible. Gemini supports two GoTo Move commands: :MS#
(the usual one from the LX200 command set) and the additional :MM#
command. If a MS is received, the GoTo is done and a flip is avoided, if
possible. With a :MM, a flip is done whenever possible to get to the
target.
Gemini monitors the flips and uses two different set of data for
modelling the pointing. The FR and FD parameters are calculated only
ofter doing at least one flip and aligning at the object there. Of
course this also shows that a meridian flip is an integral part of GoTo
and modelling and that the object is remembered.
You did not elaborate how you commanded the flip. If you used the HC
emulation QuickMenu or if GCC sent the :Mf# command (please ask Daniel
for details or check GCC's communication log) the difference to the
flips described above is that this is a new, completely separate
operation. Gemini can't be sure that you want to slew to the latest
object selected, you may have been moving to another object since the
last GoTo was done. This kind of meridian flip is therefore based on
the _current coordinates_. These are used instead of the last object,
modelled and the GoTo is done there.
So you can use a kind of GoTo that commands the flip already at GoTo
time, this saves the necessity for an additional flip and keeps the
object active. With Gemini2, you can check a box for each target
individually if you wish a flip, on the HC or at the Objects web page.
搁别苍é
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Paul Kanevsky
Floyd