Hi Rainer,
Sorry, I just assumed with your observatory and splendid setup, that you were automated. :^)
I can not really say that I have had the issue you described with the G-11 when I had it.
Floyd

Hi Floyd,

OK, I understand, but please understand that not everybody has CCD Auto Pilot for making a plate solve, not everybody has as well as The Sky Pro 6 and not everybody works with ASCOM, ? OK ? :-) Thanks :-)

For me that is a forgotten thing or something else that Gemini does not remember to which object it slewed when one wants to make an immediate ccentering of the object and an additional align without having to do a new GoTo to the object in question ...

regards Rainer


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I just let CCDAutoPilot Plate solve after the flip, using Pinpoint and The Sky 6 Pro, it then is right on targer. But, I never really have any issue after a flip finding a star or object.
Floyd

Thanks for your reply Rainer and Tom. I'll read the User Manual to
understand. I'm afraid to talk in generalities rather than one specific
procedure.
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Enviado el: domingo, 20 de febrero de 2011 4:45
Para: Gemini-II@...
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip





Felipe
Since it is intended that the Gemini 2 will have all the features of the
Gemini 1, I would expect it to also have the meridian flip command. The
Gemini 1 already has a meridian Flip command. It is under the Quick menu.

Tom Hilton

--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rainer" <rsbfoto@> wrote:

Hola Felipe,

Well what I am talking about is a complete different think as what you are

asking.

You want to have an automatic meridian flip which could be invoked at a

certain altitude angle which I guess is not very dificult but you still have
the uncertainty if the object is in the center of your camera or not and
that can only be solved with a so called Plate solve using the existing
software packages.

I am talking about the fact that Gemini I does not know to which object it

did GoTO after invoking the meridian. At least not using GCC

saludos Rainer

--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"felipe largo" <frlargo@> wrote:

Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian flip" because I

did a

question in the forum and have not had any response .

I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if the topic is not
resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..

MESSAGE 132 in the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian flip. "
Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the operation and the

Not

Lose position of the object?





Regards ..



Felipe Largo
<> (quasarobservatory)

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nombre

de Rainer
Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
Para: Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com>
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip





Hi,

Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that everybody

has

or uses the same as we do :-)

I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.

I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group and

it

fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some

additional

alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.

Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some important
stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always a few
steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)

Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)

regards Rainer

--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"tom@" <tom@> wrote:

Hi Rainer
PS
you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM

based

program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.

Good day
Tom Hilton

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Hi Rainer,

Well then I must be stupid ... Next time I will do a screen shot of
the error GCC is giving me ...

? Have you made after centering the object an " Additional Align "
command ?

Of course the mount goes to the object chosen for the meridian Flip
but when I do not repeat a GoTo to the object by chosing it again and
then centering and then doing an additional align the roor comes up ...

? Clear now ?

I think my english is not understood ...

For sure you are not stupid and I know that you could ask these
questions perfectly in German and Spanish and surely in French too
within a second.

I think the problem is that you have to differentiate between the kinds
of meridian flips possible. Gemini supports two GoTo Move commands: :MS#
(the usual one from the LX200 command set) and the additional :MM#
command. If a MS is received, the GoTo is done and a flip is avoided, if
possible. With a :MM, a flip is done whenever possible to get to the
target.

Gemini monitors the flips and uses two different set of data for
modelling the pointing. The FR and FD parameters are calculated only
ofter doing at least one flip and aligning at the object there. Of
course this also shows that a meridian flip is an integral part of GoTo
and modelling and that the object is remembered.

You did not elaborate how you commanded the flip. If you used the HC
emulation QuickMenu or if GCC sent the :Mf# command (please ask Daniel
for details or check GCC's communication log) the difference to the
flips described above is that this is a new, completely separate
operation. Gemini can't be sure that you want to slew to the latest
object selected, you may have been moving to another object since the
last GoTo was done. This kind of meridian flip is therefore based on
the _current coordinates_. These are used instead of the last object,
modelled and the GoTo is done there.

So you can use a kind of GoTo that commands the flip already at GoTo
time, this saves the necessity for an additional flip and keeps the
object active. With Gemini2, you can check a box for each target
individually if you wish a flip, on the HC or at the Objects web page.

搁别苍é

I have forced a meridian flip several times on my Titan and whatever it was tracking is remembered and close to centered after the flip. i was doing M81 last night and was approaching the safety point did a meridian flip from the hand controller and it was back on it with a couple minor centering adjustments but in the CCD view.

I have done it with GCC and the couple times I have I dont recall any difficulty with remembering the target.

Dave

--- In Gemini-II@..., "Rainer" <rsbfoto@> wrote:

Hi Floyd,

OK, I understand, but please understand that not everybody has CCD Auto Pilot for making a plate solve, not everybody has as well as The Sky Pro 6 and not everybody works with ASCOM, ??? OK ? :-) Thanks :-)

For me that is a forgotten thing or something else that Gemini does not remember to which object it slewed when one wants to make an immediate ccentering of the object and an additional align without having to do a new GoTo to the object in question ...

regards Rainer


--- In Gemini-II@..., "bakersfieldbiker" <fblue@> wrote:

I just let CCDAutoPilot Plate solve after the flip, using Pinpoint and The Sky 6 Pro, it then is right on targer. But, I never really have any issue after a flip finding a star or object.
Floyd

--- In Gemini-II@..., Dave Sandage <dave@> wrote:

Hi Wojtek,
I have successfully connected a Gemini 2 to my wireless network using a
TrendNet access point in AP-client mode. In this mode it basically acts as
a media converter to go from WiFi to Ethernet. I connected an Ethernet
cable from Gemini 2 to the AP and the Gemini now appears on my wireless
network. There are other products (sometimes called WiFi Bridges) that do
the same thing. There is no additional functionality in the Gemini device -
it just talks out its Ethernet port. Theoretically any wireless adapter
that claims to allow wired ethernet devices to access WiFi should work.

Dave S.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:06 PM, wojciechklimkiewicz <kwojciec@>wrote:

I have Losmandy G11 with Gemini I and wireless network with DHCP protocol
and consider buying Gemnini II.
Interesting for me is wireless connection from home to the telecsope ouside
(cold weather imaging!).
From the quick manual of Gemini II it is not clear to me how to do it!: "1.
Connect the Gemini 2 unit to the existing network through a hub, switch,
router or wireless adapter."
Does it mean that any wireless adapter connected to the USB port will work?
Does this means that this service is build in the Gemini firmware?
Can anybody answer that?
Thanks,
Wojtek from PA

Thanks Dave,
Thanks Rene,

Finally, the wireless control is getting to the mainstream of astro-imaging.
I also have to solve my SBIG camera and RoboFocus wireless connections, but that probably is not the subject for this group.

Wojtek K.

Hi Floyd,

OK, I understand, but please understand that not everybody has CCD Auto Pilot for making a plate solve, not everybody has as well as The Sky Pro 6 and not everybody works with ASCOM, ??? OK ? :-) Thanks :-)

For me that is a forgotten thing or something else that Gemini does not remember to which object it slewed when one wants to make an immediate ccentering of the object and an additional align without having to do a new GoTo to the object in question ...

regards Rainer


--- In Gemini-II@..., "bakersfieldbiker" <fblue@> wrote:

I just let CCDAutoPilot Plate solve after the flip, using Pinpoint and The Sky 6 Pro, it then is right on targer. But, I never really have any issue after a flip finding a star or object.
Floyd

?

Felipe
Since it is intended that the Gemini 2 will have all the features of the Gemini 1, I would expect it to also have the meridian flip command. The Gemini 1 already has a meridian Flip command. It is under the Quick menu.

Tom Hilton

--- In Gemini-II@..., "Rainer" wrote:
>
> Hola Felipe,
>
> Well what I am talking about is a complete different think as what you are asking.
>
> You want to have an automatic meridian flip which could be invoked at a certain altitude angle which I guess is not very dificult but you still have the uncertainty if the object is in the center of your camera or not and that can only be solved with a so called Plate solve using the existing software packages.
>
> I am talking about the fact that Gemini I does not know to which object it did GoTO after invoking the meridian. At least not using GCC
>
> saludos Rainer
>
> --- In Gemini-II@..., "felipe largo" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian flip" because I did a
> > question in the forum and have not had any response .
> >
> > I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if the topic is not
> > resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..
> >
> > MESSAGE 132 in the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
> > Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
> > I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian flip. "
> > Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the operation and the Not
> > Lose position of the object?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards ..
> >
> >
> >
> > Felipe Largo
> > <> (quasarobservatory)
> >
> > _____
> >
> > De: Gemini-II@... [mailto:Gemini-II@...] En nombre
> > de Rainer
> > Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
> > Para: Gemini-II@...
> > Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that everybody has
> > or uses the same as we do :-)
> >
> > I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.
> >
> > I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group and it
> > fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some additional
> > alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.
> >
> > Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some important
> > stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always a few
> > steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)
> >
> > Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)
> >
> > regards Rainer
> >
> > --- In Gemini-II@... ,
> > "tom@" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rainer
> > > PS
> > > you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM based
> > > program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
> > > as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.
> > >
> > > Good day
> > > Tom Hilton
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
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>

Hola Felipe,

Well what I am talking about is a complete different think as what you are asking.

You want to have an automatic meridian flip which could be invoked at a certain altitude angle which I guess is not very dificult but you still have the uncertainty if the object is in the center of your camera or not and that can only be solved with a so called Plate solve using the existing software packages.

I am talking about the fact that Gemini I does not know to which object it did GoTO after invoking the meridian. At least not using GCC

saludos Rainer

--- In Gemini-II@..., "felipe largo" <frlargo@> wrote:

Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian flip" because I did a
question in the forum and have not had any response .

I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if the topic is not
resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..

MESSAGE 132 in the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian flip. "
Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the operation and the Not
Lose position of the object?





Regards ..



Felipe Largo
<> (quasarobservatory)

_____

De: Gemini-II@... [mailto:Gemini-II@...] En nombre
de Rainer
Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
Para: Gemini-II@...
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip





Hi,

Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that everybody has
or uses the same as we do :-)

I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.

I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group and it
fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some additional
alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.

Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some important
stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always a few
steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)

Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)

regards Rainer

--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"tom@" <tom@> wrote:

Hi Rainer
PS
you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM based
program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.

Good day
Tom Hilton

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Hi Rainer .. thank you for raising the issue "Meridian flip" because I did a
question in the forum and have not had any response .

I will think about it much to buy the new Gemini II if the topic is not
resolved or explained in the User Manual ... ..

MESSAGE 132 in the forum Gemini2 Feb 4, 2011
Gemini II has automated the operation Meridian Flip?
I'm user of Gemini, and Do Not know much about "Meridian flip. "
Does anyone Have A Written procedure to help in the operation and the Not
Lose position of the object?





Regards ..



Felipe Largo
<> (quasarobservatory)

_____

De: Gemini-II@... [mailto:Gemini-II@...] En nombre
de Rainer
Enviado el: sábado, 19 de febrero de 2011 23:24
Para: Gemini-II@...
Asunto: [Gemini-II] Re: Meridian Flip





Hi,

Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that everybody has
or uses the same as we do :-)

I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.

I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group and it
fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some additional
alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.

Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some important
stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always a few
steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)

Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)

regards Rainer

--- In Gemini-II@... <mailto:Gemini-II%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"tom@" <tom@> wrote:

Hi Rainer
PS
you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM based
program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.

Good day
Tom Hilton

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?

Hi,

Sure you are right. That is a mistake we all do thinking that everybody has or uses the same as we do :-)

I brought this up here so maybe it can be changed.

I brought this issue up a few years ago in the Gemini I Yahoo group and it fell onto unfruitfull soil :-) Now yesterday as I was doing some additional alignments as well as meridian flips it came to my mind again.

Nothing happened and maybe because 搁别苍é was occupied with some important stuff when >I posted that long time ago. It looks like I am always a few steps ahead so I will slow down ... :-)

Sorry to bring up what I experience ... :-)

regards Rainer

--- In Gemini-II@..., "tom@..." wrote:
>
> Hi Rainer
> PS
> you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM based
> program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
> as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.
>
> Good day
> Tom Hilton
>

Hi Rainer
PS
you might want to tell them up front that you do not use any ASCOM based
program or theSky6 or TheSkyX. That way you will not get replies such
as Floyd's because they will have this information up front.

Good day
Tom Hilton