Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
I recommend putting your trees on FamilySearch.org and WikiTree.com. Both sites are free and are peer reviewed, so the quality of the data has the potential to be of better quality. It is often sadly not, though. Both sites are free. I dropped my Ancestry subscription and only have my autosomal DNA test there now. My family trees are now on FamilySearch and WikiTree and I keep Wikitree syched to FamilySearch, which is a manual process.
FamilySearch also has a huge number of images of original? (primary record) documents and is much easier to search than Ancestry, which I suspect licenses much of their content from FamilySearch. I advise against linking documents from Ancestry to FamilySearch profiles in Sources as most of the documents are freely available to everyone in the FamilySearch catalog. The Ancestry images are only available to those who pay for them and, I think, to members of the LDS. It is incredibly easy to link primary record images to profiles on FamilySearch.
I am sorry I wasted 20 years on Ancestry! Ancestry does have a good Hints utility for individuals but most of the records are on FamilySearch, except perhaps for military pension and service indexes. The only time that I miss Ancestry is when I want to look at the trees of some of my DNA matches.? That being said, the quality of trees on Ancestry is, in general, not very good.
Sorry to get off topic!
Kevin
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Hi Janine, How do I upload to gedmatch? I have MyHeritage, 23and me, Ancestry, mtfullsequence and I would love for them to be in the same place. I put it on Geni and none of it has done me much good because most people do not have full trees that one can search when there is a good match. ?
I have two Avis Daniels. One older that is head of household 1830 census where John Daniel is also listed as the head of another household. If I’m reading it right.? I also have A younger Avis as a daughter of William and Argent. I wondered if Argent and Avis were sisters or if Avis was a widow and ?mother to Argent ?but couldn’t find any link. We are missing something here.
William is always named as a older son which keeps me thinking his birth date is more likely to be closer to 1780 than 1800. It is also possible John’s birth date is closer to 1786. I’ll check the 1830 census again.
Thank you for the link to the pension application and letter from William Daniel. I have almost all of it from Calaway Daniel’s copy of the Felix Motlow papers that were passed down to me. I tried to print them out with no luck so I’ll read them tonight to see what I’m missing.?
I have a family tree on Ancestry and also on myHeritage. You a welcome to look over them at any time. I have been adding people as I find them through DNA. I have a lot of matches!
Beverly
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:18 PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote: Beverly,
I don't seem to have you as a DNA match on Ancestry. I do have numerous matches with other descendants of Job & Elizabeth, including some from Calaway's line. My account on Ancestry is under jzerger, & my mom's is under Vera Lewis. Have you thought about uploading your DNA raw data to Gedmatch? On Gedmatch we could compare & see if we have any small matching segments. We could also check our mutual matches. And, you could be added as a descendant of Job & Elizabeth on WikiTree.?
Are you certain that John (who married Avis) was born in 1789? If so, he would have been 16 will William Mack Daniel was born. It would have been possible for him to have been William's father...but it would have been more likely if he was older. On the 1830 census, Avis is listed as being 50-59, which means she was born sometime between 1771-1780. If John wasn't born until 1789, then she would have been quite a bit older than him. And did you say that John & Avis had daughters?
William Mack Daniel's first daughter with his wife, Eliza Ann Melton, was named Avis Caroline, so that could be a clue as to who William's mother was. The letter that I mentioned from Elizabeth's son, William, can be found here:?
There are actually 75 pages (372-447) devoted to Elizabeth's application for a Revolutionary War pension. This letter is just one of the supporting documents. It's a fascinating read.
After Elizabeth died, William Mack & Eliza Ann moved their family to Reynolds County, Missouri. They were there for the 1860 census. By 1870, they were in Sharp County, Arkansas, & then by 1880, they were in Hot Spring County, Arkansas, which is where they both eventually died. It seems that most of the family remained in Tennessee. Because of the physical separation, I am wondering if that could be why William Mack sort of seems "lost" to many in the family. He is often left out of family research. It took me a long time to find what little information I have about him.
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
I checked with the x10 help community and the process to get this site set up to use https is pretty straightforward. Https was apparently supported for most, if not all, of the time we have been using this site, but it was apparently broken by a server migration a few years ago. As I recall this had something to do with the failure of x10's back end servers which caused a pretty massive outage of their service. I think their backup servers failed?? This was fixed but https was broken for some sites. I won't get into the details! This is actually what I did for living for about 20 years so I will get it sorted out.
Kevin
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Dang, still catching up on reading this thread.... I sent a message explaining the warning message you are getting..... The site is safe to visit. The project has been using it since around 2010 (?) with no issues. I will check with our hosting provider and see what I need to do to get them to support the site using https. I am sure that they already support https, but there is something that I will need to do, procedurally, to do so. There is no dangerous or potentially harmful content on the site.
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Kevin
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Thanks, Kevin! I have been on the website several times before, so it just seemed odd that I was now receiving a warning message.
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Hi Janine,
The link to the Daniel Y? DNA Project is: ?
Visitors will get a warning about visiting the site because it does not use https which is a more secure version of http. There are no external links, advertising, bots, etc., on this site, so it is safe to visit this site. It is intentionally a very basic site.
I host the site on x10.com, a hosting service so the DanielDNA URL will resolve to but you do not need to remember that, just type into the URL field, or bookmark the site so you do not have to remember anything! I own the DanielDNA domain so it will not go away as long as I pay for it every year and I intend to support it for my lifetime and maybe a bit longer. I believe that it is paid up for the next five years. I have not decided if I will set up an account that will continue to support that URL so it will continue to be active after my death.... Whoever ends up supporting the site can decide what to do with the URL, long term. The advantage of this URL is that it will never change and can be pointed to any future site which hosts the Daniel Y? DNA Project.
Kevin
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Beverly,
I don't seem to have you as a DNA match on Ancestry. I do have numerous matches with other descendants of Job & Elizabeth, including some from Calaway's line. My account on Ancestry is under jzerger, & my mom's is under Vera Lewis. Have you thought about uploading your DNA raw data to Gedmatch? On Gedmatch we could compare & see if we have any small matching segments. We could also check our mutual matches. And, you could be added as a descendant of Job & Elizabeth on WikiTree.?
Are you certain that John (who married Avis) was born in 1789? If so, he would have been 16 will William Mack Daniel was born. It would have been possible for him to have been William's father...but it would have been more likely if he was older. On the 1830 census, Avis is listed as being 50-59, which means she was born sometime between 1771-1780. If John wasn't born until 1789, then she would have been quite a bit older than him. And did you say that John & Avis had daughters?
William Mack Daniel's first daughter with his wife, Eliza Ann Melton, was named Avis Caroline, so that could be a clue as to who William's mother was. The letter that I mentioned from Elizabeth's son, William, can be found here:?
There are actually 75 pages (372-447) devoted to Elizabeth's application for a Revolutionary War pension. This letter is just one of the supporting documents. It's a fascinating read.
After Elizabeth died, William Mack & Eliza Ann moved their family to Reynolds County, Missouri. They were there for the 1860 census. By 1870, they were in Sharp County, Arkansas, & then by 1880, they were in Hot Spring County, Arkansas, which is where they both eventually died. It seems that most of the family remained in Tennessee. Because of the physical separation, I am wondering if that could be why William Mack sort of seems "lost" to many in the family. He is often left out of family research. It took me a long time to find what little information I have about him.
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Thanks, Clay. I thought that was it, but I've been trying to go there since yesterday, & I keep getting this warning message:?
This site could be risky
Advanced Security blocked access to?
http://www.kevindaniel.x10.mx/index.htm
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:45?AM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
What is the current link for the Daniel DNA project, where the Y-DNA test results can be found?
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Hello Kevin this is Beverly Markland. I had correspondence with you on the Daniel DNA group. You can refresh the conversation by looking at that forum. I probably way over simplified but as I remember Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for your branch of the VA Daniel line. I do not have a male Daniel to contribute DNA to the Daniel DNA project. But all of the DNA kits listed with Joseph Job Daniel and Elizabeth Callaway from their descendants and just clarified by Janine Zerger are in my family tree as well.? Any new DNA information you might have on Joseph Job Daniel and Elizabeth Callaway Daniel would be greatly appreciated. There are still a few of us out here working on this.? Thank you, Beverly?
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 09:25 AM, BevD wrote:
According to Kevin Daniel our Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for the VA branch of the Daniel line.
Not sure if my comments are out of context for this thread, since I have not been following this conversation closely, but there are many unrelated Daniel families in Virginia (their Y DNA does not match each other). It might help those interested in this thread if the kit numbers of Y DNA tests for this line are included in the conversation, especially for future readers.
Kevin
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Kevin, this is the information that I have regarding the kit numbers for this line of Daniels:
Kit #4116 - descendant of John Buckley Daniel (son of John & Avis?)
Kit #13589 - Paul William Daniel, a descendant of William Mack Daniel (son of John & Avis?)
Kit #32867 - ??
Kit #133944 - descendant of Isaac Daniel
Kit #14965 - descendant of William Daniel > Lott Daniel
Kit #21205 - descendant of Ruben Daniel
Kit #293716 - ?? (kit info given to me by James Daniel)
This is from the "Participating Lines" page of the DNA project website: "Joseph (Jobe/Job) Daniel, b. abt 1745, soldier in the American Revolution, married Elizabeth Callaway 1778, d. abt 1814, buried south of Lynchburg Tenn. Known children are: Abner, John md. Avis (4116, 13589, 32867), Isaac md. Unknown Faircloth (133944), William md. Argent (14965), Anne md. William Arthur Sanders, Callaway md. Lucinda Cook (Their son Jasper Newton 'Jack' Daniel owned a distillery in Lynchburg TN), Reuben md. Susan Ann Watts (21205) and Nancy md. Jeremiah Dean. Descendants of these known children of Jobe Daniel have a DNA match with descendants of (188665) William Daniel, born est 1735, died 1804."
What is the current link for the Daniel DNA project, where the Y-DNA test results can be found?
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 09:25 AM, BevD wrote:
According to Kevin Daniel our Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for the VA branch of the Daniel line.
Not sure if my comments are out of context for this thread, since I have not been following this conversation closely, but there are many unrelated Daniel families in Virginia (their Y DNA does not match each other). It might help those interested in this thread if the kit numbers of Y DNA tests for this line are included in the conversation, especially for future readers. Kevin
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Hello Janine! I’m not sure where to begin. I also have dna tested on FamilyTreeDNA. I just found a thru line that connects us but I don’t know if we have a dna match. I should be under Beverly Markland or Beverly Markell. How are you listed? I have other dna tested as well. I contacted the Daniel DNA group and submitted dna kit ?information and my complete bio but I too am lacking a male Daniel to submit DNA. So I’m not sure he listed me or the bio I sent. According to Kevin Daniel our Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for the VA branch of the Daniel line. Our Joseph Job Daniel’s descendants match a William Daniel of Cedar Creek Hundred in Delaware who I have been researching. Have found some good info but still searching for our Joseph and William connection. I have information on William Mack Daniel and lean to believe he is a grandson of Joseph not the son. My info probably comes from you. I’m not sure where William Mack Daniel fits in yet. I believe the son of Joseph Job is William J Daniel and born between 1780 and 1795. Maybe even before Isaac about 1887. Family lore has the oldest child named Abner. I have never been convinced that this name is correct. Just not a family name and no connection to any known ancestor.? A First son would have been Much more likely to be named Abraham or Abram or… William. I would like to research this named son more. I have searched and found nothing.
I have the children of William and Argent as: Lott,1816? Elizabeth, 1818 Avis, 1822 Berry W, 1823 Celia Brewer, 1826 ( many connection to the Brewer family) Nancy Jane,1834 This information comes from the descendants of Berry W. and seems solid)
I do not have much on John and Avis. 1830 census and family history. Only daughters listed.
However, I do have most of the younger Joseph Job Daniel children completely mapped out through first hand info and correspondence with living descendants and I can’t find where William Mack Daniel fits in with any of them.? So, that only leaves John but then birth dates for William Mack are wrong for him being the father which leaves possibly Abner -Abraham, the oldest named son. Or a unknown ancestor. I suspect we have a brother to Joseph Job Daniel who is the link to the William of Cedar Creek Hundred. (I have a theory about this) That’s a lot. Where do you want to start? Your new cousin, Beverly
PS the first petition submitted by Elizabeth Callaway Daniel for pension was in 1843-44. I’m not sure what letter in 1853 you are referring to. Refresh my memory please.?
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 4:45 PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote: Hello, Beverly!
I have been researching the Joseph "Job" Daniel/Elizabeth Callaway branch for a few years now. I would love to join you in your research.
There is some confusion on Ancestry & elsewhere as to whether my 3rd great grandfather, William Mack Daniel (1805-1890), was the son or grandson of this couple. In Elizabeth Callaway's Revolutionary War pension application, there is a letter written in 1853 from Elizabeth's son, William Daniel, from Lawrenceburg, TN. The William that was married to Argent had already died by 1853, & William Mack Daniel was living in Lawrence County, TN, at this time. However, another theory is that William Mack Daniel (along with John Buckley Daniel, 1809-1860) was the son of Job & Elizabeth's son John (1789-), who was married to Avis.?
My mother & I have both tested with Ancestry. We are also on Gedmatch, FamilyTreeDNA & WikiTree. I look forward to hearing back from you!
Janine Zerger
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Re: Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
Hello, Beverly!
I have been researching the Joseph "Job" Daniel/Elizabeth Callaway branch for a few years now. I would love to join you in your research.
There is some confusion on Ancestry & elsewhere as to whether my 3rd great grandfather, William Mack Daniel (1805-1890), was the son or grandson of this couple. In Elizabeth Callaway's Revolutionary War pension application, there is a letter written in 1853 from Elizabeth's son, William Daniel, from Lawrenceburg, TN. The William that was married to Argent had already died by 1853, & William Mack Daniel was living in Lawrence County, TN, at this time. However, another theory is that William Mack Daniel (along with John Buckley Daniel, 1809-1860) was the son of Job & Elizabeth's son John (1789-), who was married to Avis.?
My mother & I have both tested with Ancestry. We are also on Gedmatch, FamilyTreeDNA & WikiTree. I look forward to hearing back from you!
Janine Zerger
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Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
My name is Beverly Markell Markland and I have a great deal of information about this branch of the Daniel family.
Joseph Daniel had 10 children with Elizabeth Callaway.
1)Abner about 1779 (little known and unsure of name)
2)Mary “Polly” 1784
3)Issac 1786-1860 md 1.Faircloth 2.Weatherford 3. ? ? ?Blackwood
4)William 1787-1849 md Argent Joel
5)John 1789 md Avis
6)Robert C. 1791-1870 md 1. Nancy Kimzey 2. Drucilla Anne Shofner
7)Anne Elizabeth 1793-1859 md William Saunders
8)Calaway 1800-1863 md 1. Lucinda Cook 2. Vanzant?
9. Ruben 1804-1863 md Susannah Watts
10Nancy 1809-1867 md Rev. Jerry Dean
Joseph aka Job served in the Revolutionary War and lived in New Bern, NC where most of his children were born. When treaties were signed with the Cherokee Indians Joseph and Elizabeth relocated to Franklin, Tennessee. Where he died in 1814. Many of the older children moved on but the younger group settled in Lynchburg and Mulberry Tennessee, Moore County. My gggrandfather was Calaway Daniel md Lucinda Cook and their son Wiley Butler Daniel, my ggrandfather, and his close siblings compiled family information in the 1920’s which passed down to me.
It is my hope that someone in this Daniel group would like to join me in the research the Ancestors and descendants of Joseph aka Job Daniel c1745-1814 and Elizabeth Callaway 1757-1853.
Especially interested in the DNA connection to William Daniel of Cedar Creek Hundred. Some Daniel descendants of Joseph aka Job have their DNA test listed on the Daniel DNA project however they are not all connected to one another. I recognize the names and can help with that.
I have three DNA test and several very complete trees that I am working on and would love to share information.
Beverly
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Re: Daniel DNA project: Looking for participants who descend from Joseph Daniel, Jr. m. Mary "Polly" Garland
Ken, You are part of my Daniel line (I am from the Allen Daniel line) and we are part of the DNA Project.? ??I spoke with you many years ago and thanks to the DNA project more has been discovered about our Marion County GA group. ? You can reach me at pgdaniel12@... ? Thanks, Patsy Daniel??? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of NormanRoots Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 4:33 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [Daniel] Daniel DNA project: Looking for participants who descend from Joseph Daniel, Jr. m. Mary "Polly" Garland ? Greetings. I'm a new member here. My grandmother's maiden name was Daniel. I'm appending here an email I sent to the DANIEL Y-DNA project administrator, in hopes of finding a participant related to "my" clan of Daniels. Thanks for any assistance.
========== date: Jan 13, 2023, 12:45 PM subject: Daniel Y-DNA project...is my clan represented, yet? Hi, my name is Ken Norman. My paternal grandmother, Jimmie "Jill" Daniel,? was born in 1916. She was the 7th of 8 children (all daughters) born to Robert Allen Daniel and Flemmie Annis Owen (see attached photos). I am interested to learn if "my" Daniels are represented in your study. The earliest known Daniel ancestor in my line is Joseph Daniel, Jr. (yes, his father is Joseph Daniel, Sr., but I know nothing but his name and his wife's name, Anne). Joseph, Jr. was born about 1784 in Halifax County, NC. I know nothing of his brothers or sisters (if any). About 1807, he married Mary "Polly" Garland (b. about 1783). They had 11 children: 1. Allen (1808-1860); 2. Henry Garland (1811-1894); 3. Lucinda (1812-1880); 4. Sarah (1813-1865); 5. Mary (1815-?); 6. William Asbury (1818-1885) [my ancestor]; 7. Julius (1820-1892); 8. Macy (1823-1863); 9. Frances Delilah (1824-1897); 10. Joseph G. (1827-?); and 11. Martha Collins (1834-1924). I possess an excellent reference book compiled by Freddy Wandell Page (my 1st cousin, once removed) titled "DANIELINE, 1784-1986" (c) 1987. It gives the descendant genealogy of Joseph Daniel, Jr. as far forward as Freddy could ascertain in the pre-internet era. It is quite comprehensive (500 pages). Based on this book, I have developed a list of 24 known male descendants of William Asbury Daniel (Joseph, Jr.'s son) who are likely to be alive, and, thus, potential candidates for inclusion in your study. However, I have not yet contacted any of them. Since my Daniel grandfather had no sons, I'm only distantly related to these 24, and I don't know any of them. I haven't even figured out their contact information. I have yet to research male Daniel descendants from any of Joseph, Jr.'s other four sons to find additional candidates for participation in your study, although, with the aid of Freddy's book, it shouldn't take too much effort. Anyway, I'm keenly interested to know if any of the information I provided on Joseph, Jr. overlaps with any of your current study participants. I searched your website, but I could not find any overlaps, even in later generations. It seems "my" clan of Daniels is completely unknown to you. How exciting it would be to document this large group? P.S. In the earlier picture, my grandmother ("Granny") is the one in front standing between her parents. In the later picture, Granny is 2nd from the left (they're in age order, youngest-to-oldest). The family is documented on Find A Grave:
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Daniel DNA project: Looking for participants who descend from Joseph Daniel, Jr. m. Mary "Polly" Garland
Greetings. I'm a new member here. My grandmother's maiden name was Daniel. I'm appending here an email I sent to the DANIEL Y-DNA project administrator, in hopes of finding a participant related to "my" clan of Daniels. Thanks for any assistance. ==========
from: Ken Norman <ken@...>
to: kevin@...
date: Jan 13, 2023, 12:45 PM
subject: Daniel Y-DNA project...is my clan represented, yet?
Hi, my name is Ken Norman. My paternal grandmother, Jimmie "Jill" Daniel,? was born in 1916. She was the 7th of 8 children (all daughters) born to Robert Allen Daniel and Flemmie Annis Owen (see attached photos). I am interested to learn if "my" Daniels are represented in your study.
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The earliest known Daniel ancestor in my line is Joseph Daniel, Jr. (yes, his father is Joseph Daniel, Sr., but I know nothing but his name and his wife's name, Anne). Joseph, Jr. was born about 1784 in Halifax County, NC. I know nothing of his brothers or sisters (if any). About 1807, he married Mary "Polly" Garland (b. about 1783). They had 11 children: 1. Allen (1808-1860); 2. Henry Garland (1811-1894); 3. Lucinda (1812-1880); 4. Sarah (1813-1865); 5. Mary (1815-?); 6. William Asbury (1818-1885) [my ancestor]; 7. Julius (1820-1892); 8. Macy (1823-1863); 9. Frances Delilah (1824-1897); 10. Joseph G. (1827-?); and 11. Martha Collins (1834-1924).
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I possess an excellent reference book compiled by Freddy Wandell Page (my 1st cousin, once removed) titled "DANIELINE, 1784-1986" (c) 1987. It gives the descendant genealogy of Joseph Daniel, Jr. as far forward as Freddy could ascertain in the pre-internet era. It is quite comprehensive (500 pages). Based on this book, I have developed a list of 24 known male descendants of William Asbury Daniel (Joseph, Jr.'s son) who are likely to be alive, and, thus, potential candidates for inclusion in your study. However, I have not yet contacted any of them. Since my Daniel grandfather had no sons, I'm only distantly related to these 24, and I don't know any of them. I haven't even figured out their contact information. I have yet to research male Daniel descendants from any of Joseph, Jr.'s other four sons to find additional candidates for participation in your study, although, with the aid of Freddy's book, it shouldn't take too much effort.
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Anyway, I'm keenly interested to know if any of the information I provided on Joseph, Jr. overlaps with any of your current study participants. I searched your website, but I could not find any overlaps, even in later generations. It seems "my" clan of Daniels is completely unknown to you. How exciting it would be to document this large group?
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Thanks,
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Ken Norman
ken@...
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P.S. In the earlier picture, my grandmother ("Granny") is the one in front standing between her parents. In the later picture, Granny is 2nd from the left (they're in age order, youngest-to-oldest). The family is documented on Find A Grave:
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Re: Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
?Here's what I have for Ambrose Daniel :?
? ?He married Sarah Edwards daughter of Joseph and Mary Ann : among Sarah Edwards brothers and sisters was Staunton , Jesse , John, remember those names.?
? ?Ambrose Daniel's children are all named in a will there in Halifax, of the girls Chloe married Wiley Crook , Sarah married Staunton Edwards ( son of the Staunton Edwards mentioned above) , Mary (not known if she ever married).?
? York county SC deed book G page 264 is Sarah Edwards Daniel receiving 200 acres as her dower, Willis Daniel is Paying Jesse Edwards $500 , witnesses were Staunton Edwards and Ambrose Daniel .?
?York County? deed book H page 273 they are selling said 200 acres " know all men by these presents that we Sarah Daniel widow of Ambrose Daniel late of North Carolina, Britton Daniel , Willis Daniel of the state of North Carolina, Wiley Crook and Chloe his wife , Staunton Edwards and his wife Sarah, Joseph Daniel , Ambrose Daniel , Sion Daniel and Mary Daniel of the state of South Carolina "?
? ? This puts Joseph Daniel in SC with several of his brothers and a sister as well as his mother. There was only one Joseph Daniel in the York/Chester SC area according to census records, that is the Joseph Daniel who married Jane Simmons and had children (Known ) Joseph John , William Simmons , Holloway W . This Joseph died in 1824 in the estate records for him, notables that bought from the estate were Jane Daniel his wife and Staunton Edwards.?
? ?two descendants of William Simmons Daniel have taken y-dna tests one a 37 marker test one Big-Y , the Big-Y haplogroup is R-FT206759 ( kit # 194947) the 37 marker test is # 24752.?
? There are 19 matches in our little group who have taken various levels of Y-dna tests they are :?
? ? ? # 37795? earliest known ancestor Isham Daniel of Chatham NC through his son Littleton and Littleton's son John
? ? ? # 972686 Isham Daniel through his son Jesse?
? ? ? ?There are two more kits that match through Littleton's son David one of them is #10075
? ?Isham Daniel is believed to be the son of John Daniel of Brunswick although primary records are lacking to prove it, we know John had a son Isham we just can't prove for sure the two Isham's are the same.?
? ? Kit # 968445 is a descendant of Joseph Daniel sr. b 1723 d 1794 of Brunswick, the paper trail is pretty solid for this one. Two other kits have a probable connection to Joseph Daniel sr. #182668 & # 491033, another case of not being able to make the connection by paper trail. The earliest known ancestors are Harrison Daniel b abt 1801 d ? in Indiana and Cole Spencer Daniel b 1807 d 1866 possible son of Hezekiah Daniel. Harrison and Hezekiah both being grandson's of Joseph Daniel sr.?
? # 974586 is a descendant of Reese Daniel of Dinwiddie/Prince George and has connections to the Gee family which makes him possibly related to the John Daniel sr and jr of Prince George county.
? ? Going back to Ambrose Daniel, the Daniel families that were in Halifax NC, the ones who lived on Burn Coat and Jacket swamps all appear to be part of Peter Daniel sr's family, the earliest deed record for Peter, that I have found, is for 1744 and he is buying land on Crab Louse branch in Brunswick, the deed says Peter Daniel of Prince George county, so we have the root of this group in Prince George. This was before Dinwiddie county was formed (1752) so I suspect the part of PG they were from became Dinwiddie. We find Randall Daniel in several records as being in Dinwiddie. Looks like he sold out around 1785 and went to Halifax NC. One interesting tid bit I found just recently was from the one order book still existing for Dinwiddie county, it mentions Randall and though not directly connected in these records, is Peyton Randall Daniel, Peyton's son Tillman R has a descendant that is also a y-dna match #76193, my suspicions are Peyton Randall Daniel is a son of Randall Daniel, with Randall being a son of Peter sr. .?
? Another match of interest is ( I do not have the kit number) a descendant of James Daniel (who married Elizabeth West) putting this James both in the vicinity of Peter's family but also a dna match to Ambrose and the other's with Brunswick connections. So no this James is not from the Middelsex group as some trees out there have him.?
? ?There's another James Daniel or it might be the same one, father of Frederick Daniel and most likely David Daniel all of the Halifax and Nash county area, Frederick has a descendant who is also a y-dna match # 838919 and if we have sorted David's line out correctly there is a match ( again I don't have that kit number ) through a Grandson Drewery Daniel b 1812 d 1869..?
? ? I know there needs to be more research on some of this and if anyone has information to either support of refute this I would love to see the info, there are a couple more lines out there one being my line # 199987 + 776172 and a line descending from Josiah Daniel of Rowan NC. # 968336.?
? ?I may not have all the matches perfectly lined up but the dna is beginning to paint a picture for us, if we could get the rest of these kits upgraded to Big -Y it might help some. ( we have 8 so far with one of them not completely processed ) haplogroups are R-FT 206759 ( 5 kits) and R-FT 367829 ( 2 kits)?
? ?Again if you have any other info I would be extremely interested in seeing it.??
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Re: Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
To set the record straight. a descendant of Peter Daniel Sr., of Crab Louse, Brunswick County, has been found and tested. He came back as a perfect match to John Daniel Sr., also of Crab Louse.
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Re: Daniel Families from Pitt, Greene, Edgecombe, and Wilson Counties in North Carolina
William,
I am curious to know...have you taken a Ydna test...assuming you are a direct line male of this Barbados Daniel line?? If so, you you mind sharing your haplogroup?? Ours is R-M269.? It would be a good idea to compare kits...see if, in fact, things line up.? It should be able to prove or disprove if we indeed have the correct Daniel.??
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On a side note, we were able to disprove a long held incorrect Daniel linkage that so many out there have on their trees... beyond a shadow of a doubt, thanks to Ydna testing.? Finding who we ARE linked to has been a bit more of a challenge.? But I try to reach out to those possessing trees with the wrong information on it...to let them know.? It is surprising how many just don't want to know.? I don't understand why.
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I am not the one who researched the Barbados connection and determined it not to be our line, but the man who did, did quite a bit of research, too...and he and my line share Ydna.? I would have to talk with him more to find out why he is so sure the Barbados Daniel is not ours.? I must say these stories about the Barbados Daniels are fascinating.
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Donna
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On 22 Dec 2022, at 07:56, donna erwin via groups.io <columbiarivergallery@...> wrote:
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This Daniel line is my line.? My first cousin took the Y-111 test and my uncle, his father took the Y-67.? The haplogroup is R-M269.? We have linked with 3 other Y-111 Daniel testers, but it was one of those that helped us determine which of the many Daniel lines we connect to.? We are still seaching for WHO the actual links are between our families...WHICH Daniel ancestor man in each...but we know it is this Daniel/Lanier line.? The Barbados connection though, according to the research of the gentleman that genetically ties our small group together, is a mistake.? Apparently there were two men of the same name, but the Barbados one does not connect to this line. What I've gathered is that Robert Lanier Daniel, 1718 Chowan, NC was the son of Thomas Daniel 1686-90 (or about 1683) Albemarle, Stanley, NC - 1749 Tyrell, NC (m. Elizabeth Lanier Daniel 1698 Surry, VA - 1752 Tyrell, NC).? Thomas was the son of Owen Daniel (or Daniell) 1663 Isle of Wight, VA to 1700 Chowan, NC (m. Elinor Thomas 1653 Tyrell, NC - abt 1700 NC).? Owen was the son of? (The First) Thomas Daniel 1631 St Clement Dane, Middlesex, England - abt May 1709 Isle of Wight, VA (m. Elizabeth Griffin 1635 Leyton, Essex, England or All Saints, Middlesex, England - 1712 Isle of Wight, VA.) Additional evidence that this is our line is that the Rayner family, which married into our known Daniel line and moved across state lines together down line, owned adjoining property in NC.
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