Re: Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
Yes, at least two unrelated, maybe more.
On 6/22/2021 8:32 PM, Joe Daniel via
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It would appear that there were two groups of Daniel's in
Rowan and it is unclear at the moment whether they were
related. It seems to me that they may not have been.
On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 06:06:45 PM EDT, Jack Danel
<jack@...> wrote:
I have a Sion Daniel, b 1795 Halifax VA, son of
Ambrose who was son of Peter Sr. d 1788 Halifax.
Peter Sr. had sons James and Ambrose and there must
be Peter Jr.
This Peter Jr could be the one you have making the
will in 1791. This Sion b1795 is too young to be his
friend, so there must be another Sion in the
previous generation as well.
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Ref Peter Sr.'s wife Sarah Randall:
Children of Sarah
James Daniel b: 20 JUL 1728 in Halifax County,
Virginia, USA (Lt Rev War)
William Daniel b: 1732 in Halifax County
Peter Daniel b: 1734
Sarah Daniel b: 1736
Randall Daniel b: 1738
NOTE: NO AMBROSE!
Had Sarah died and Peter married Mary Ambrose and
then child Ambrose b 1738??
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Notes about Ambrose:
His will was proved in the May 1795 term of court.
Page 147 of "Heritage History of Chester County,
South Carolina", 1982, says that he moved from
Halifax Co., NC, to York Co., SC.
"Captain Bill", Book Three, 1990, by Robert J.
Stevens, says that he was of Halifax Co., VA. [these
two Halifax counties are just a few miles apart on
the VA-NC border]
A descendant of this Ambrose tested his dna to be
R-M269.
This categorically removes him from the Roger Daniel
IV lineage which is I2.
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Here are some other notes. They may be totally
irrelevant:
RECORD:
1. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County NC Abstracts
Deed Books E-1 Transcripts 2&3 (F-1, N-1, P-1,
Q-1,R-1)? 1764-1791 Vol II, 1981 Weynette Parks Haun
243 Argonne Drive Durham, NC 27704.
"P56 345-A TR-2:38: 25-Nov 1769 Woodson Daniel JoCo,
planter to James Daniel Same ? 100 NC, 300 A in JoCo
and Nuse (sic) riv beg at Woodson? Daniel cor. Pine
running down sd riv to Edward Moore cor to a Red Oak
under the riv. Bank so bounded between him the sd
Woodson Daniel & Edward Moore lines.? Wooson
(sic) Daniel? Wit: William Pallson, Hannah (H)
Daniel. From Page 59 Book F.
P172 970-TR-3:441 26 April 1770. James Daniel, JoCo
to Woodson Daniel, same ?100 proc.,? 300 Acre in
JoCo beg at the sd Woodson Daniels cor pine on Neuse
riv bank down sd riv as it meanders to a Red Oak on
the said riv bank which is now Richard Bank’s cor
tree and so bounded between him and the sd Woodson
Daniel & Richard Banks’ line.? Wit Thos.
Satterwhite, William Daniel.on Neuse Prvd. by
William Daniel."
2. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County Court
Minutes 1759-1766 First Edition, Copyright 1974
Weynette Parks Haun.
"July 1760 34 Ordered that James Daniels Mark be
recorded which is a crop & a slit in ye Right
Ear a Swallowfork in ye left and that his Brand be
Recorded which is ID.
July 1760 39-22 On the petition of Henry Hardin
praying a Lysence to keep an Ordinary at his now
Dwelling House & offers Lodowick Tanner, Esq.
& James Daniel Securitys who haveing Enterd into
Bonds according to ye Law & same is granted.
Mar 1762 100-53 + the person? makeing such payments
that he shall have it Returned for proc. at the same
Rate if he applys before Lady Day next after? your
receiving it....
8. You are to obtain a sight of all such Recepts as
has been given to each of his Lordships tenantss
since Lady Day 1744 and take a minute of the person
who paid and of the person who Received the same and
the Date of every such Recept according to the
Sheame (?) also sent you hearwith....
9. For your triouble in performing the Sd Duty of
Deputy Collector within the District in my power
Substitution to you, you are to Deduct after the
Rate of 5% on such sums as you shall from time to
time Receive or Secure in manner hearinbefore
mencined for his Lordships use....
10. Before Lady Day Evry year during your
Continuence in the sd Office you are to Render me a
fair Copy of the Rentroals which you shall have
Compleeted of lands within the sd. District and
alsoe an account upon Oath of all such monies as you
shall have Received and pay the same over to me for
his Lordships use after Deducting your Comitions
afroe mencined.
11 You are to show your power of substitution and
these instructions to such of his Lordships Tenants
as are Disierous of Seeing them and Likewise to
acquaint them that they may have the perusial of his
Lordships Power of Attorney and Instructions to me
upon applying to me. Signed-Sealed and Delivered in
presents of Willie Jones, Joseph Chatwin, James
Daniel (Signed) Robert Jones, Junr (Seal).
Oct 1762 Court minutes? 127 On motion ordered that
John Bromfield, Ried, Burton & Thomas Terrell
being duly sworn or any two of them be appointed to
make a division of the Estate of John Gouge Deceased
in the hands of James Daniel between John Gouge
& Woodson Daniel in the right of his wife who
with the last mentioned John Gouge are orphans of
John Gouge deceased and make return of said Division
to next Court.
Oct 1762
128-67 The Acct of James Daniel guardian of John
Gouge Orphan of John Gouge deceased was produced by
the said James Daniel & Offered the Court for
their consideration the said Acct is approved of and
ordered that the Clerk record the same.
Jan 1763 142-74 A Return of the Division of the
Estate of John Gouge Dec'd is made by two of the
persons appointed to make the said Division.?
Ordered that the sd Division be recorded it being
made agreeable to the Order of the last Court.
James Daniel, Esqr. Guardian to John Gouge Exhibited
his accot of Disb. Since last settlement on oath
whereby it appears that he hath regularly paid and
advanced them sum of ?12 12 shillings and 10 Pence
half penny proclamation money.? Ordered said accot.
Be filed.? Ordered that the said James Daniel hire
out the Negroes the property of the said John Gouge
for the most money that may be had, and that he
accot for such hire agreeable to law.
July 1763 157 Ordered that the Constables summon the
[Ink-blurred) of their respective Districts to give
in their Lists of Taxables for the year 1763 to the
following Magistrates, Viz.. Richd. Bradford to
James Daniel, Esq. [7 others listed].
1763 no month 166-86 James Daniel guardian of John
Gouge Exhibeted into Cot. an Accting of sd. Gouge's
Estate of 13..15..1 which was allow'd also one
shillg & 8 pence Clks. fees."
3. Weynette Parks Haun, Orange County NC Court
Minutes 1752-1761 Book I, Weynette Parks Haun 1991.
"Aug 1760 Ordered that James Daniel be appointed
Guardian to John Gouge, orphan child of John Gouge,
Deceased, he having given Thomas King and Thomas
Hariss Security's in the sum of two hundred pounds
Proclamation.Money for his faithful discharge of his
said office.
Feb 1761 Andrew HAMPTON vs. James DANIEL: Petition.
On Petition of Andrew HAMPTON against James DANIEL
for 4 pounds twelve shillings and one Penny
Proclamation Money said to be due upon Account."
4. Transcribed and Reproduced by Weynette Parks
Haun, Johnston County Court Minutes 1767-1777,
Weynette Parks Haun 1975.
"
Nov 1769 97-76? The ----Deeds are prvd by the
following Persons and ordered to be recorded:?
Woodson Daniel to James Daniel by William Patterson.
Nov 1768 73-166 Ordered that a Subpena Issue to Wm.
Luton, Jas. Daniel and William Daniel to appear at
the next Court to prove a Deed of Conveyance from
Woodson Daniel to Chs. Copland.
July 1767 22 Upon Motion of James Daniel to turn the
road that proceeds through his plantation is ordered
to lay over till next ct."
5. Wynette Parks Haun, Wake County, NC Land Entries
1746-1846 (Wynette Parks Haun 1980).
" May 16 1778 George Brogdon enters four hundred
acres on vacant land in Wake County on N side of
Neuse River and on the Ledge of Rocks Creek joining
McCullochs line and Frances Wests line including the
improvement where James Daniel lived. [Why past
tense here?]
228 2 Nov 1778 Thomas DAVIS enters Four hundred and
twenty acres of Land in Wake County bounded by the
County Line & McCULLOCK'S Great Survey Line on
the Beaver Dam thence to the agreement Branch
between James DANIEL, Senr & said DAVIS
420:50/:11.
Caveated by Benjn. Clark Warrant Issued agreeable to
Entry. Warrt Issd. #105 March 2d 1778.? Major
Pollard Enterd Five Hundred acres of Vacant Land in
Wake County beginning? on the Ledge of Rocks running
up a small Branch called Dividing between William
Colberts and the Improvement from the head of the
Branch to the top of a Ridge near an old Path thence
running Northeast to the big branch that Divides
James Daniel and the Improvement thence down the
Branch to W/IOTS Line thence along said line to the
Ledge of Rock Creek and down said Creek to the
Beginning. 500: 50/: 12.16.
684 Nov 2d 1778, Thomas Davis enters Four Hundred
& Twenty acres of Land in Wake County bounded by
the county line & McCulloch's Great Survy line
on the Beaver Dam thence to the agreement Branch
between James Daniel Senr. & said Davis."
6. Frances Holloway Wynne, Abstract of Record of
Wills, Inventories, Settlements of Estates 1771-1802
Wake Co., NC, Frances Holloway Wynne 1987.
"
Deed Book F P63 Micajah FERRELL of Wake County to
Humph. DAVIS of same, June 7, 1784 for 200 pds.
Specie a tract of 150 acres on the north Bank of
Neuse River at the mouth of Cedar Creek adjoining
Phillip BURFORD and James DANIEL. Wit: Richard
BANKS, William DAVIS."
7. Weynette Parks Haun, Wake Court Minutes 1771-1776
Book A-1, Copyright 1978 Weynette Parks Haun 243
Argonne Drive, Durham, NC.
"
Wake County Court Minutes Book I 71-75 Sep 1774
James Daniel applied to have leave to keep a public
house in this County which was Granted; offered for
security Mr Alexander Munn and Mr. James Jones who
were approved by the court.? Ordered that License
issue."
8. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County NC Abstracts
Deed Books E-1 Transcripts 2&3 (F-1, N-1, P-1,
Q-1,R-1)? 1764-1791 Vol II, 1981 Weynette Parks Haun
243 Argonne Drive Durham, NC 27704.
"#19 E-1:21: 29 Aug 1764. John MADRY, Terrel Co. to
John COLEMAN JoCo, ?100 Proc. 320 A in JoCo. on SS
Neuse Riv. beg at a cor. Red Oak on the bank of
Neuse Riv., running thence S29 W 336 p to a stake:
S5W23p to a stake, N29E336p to an ash on sd riv. at
the mouth of a Springbo: up sd riv as it meaners
(sic) to the beg...houses, gardens & C...Wit:
James DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL."
9. Weynette Parks Haun, Wake County North Carolina
Court Minutes 1801-1803, 1985 Weynette Parks Haun.
"55-203 May 1801 A deed from James DANIEL to Lewis
BLEDSOE was acknowledged and ordered to be recorded.
166-52 Feb 1802 Constables named for 1802 Daniels
District...James DANIEL.
167-53 Feb 1802 Constables securities James DANIEL,
Dempsey BLAKE & David DANIEL.
??????????????????????????? David DANIEL, William
SHIP & Dempsey BLAKE.
26-147 Nov Term 1802 Ordered that James DANIEL.
Conl. be allowed the sum of One pound four shillings
for attending on the grand jury three days at this
term and that the county trustee pay the same.
263-149 Nov Term 1802 The Last Will & Testament
of John ROGERS, decd. was duly proven in open court
by the oath? of James DANIEL a subscribing witness
therto and Ordered to be recorded."
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6/22/2021 5:20 PM, Sheryl Neal Slaughter wrote:
I am interested in information on the earliest
Daniels in Rowan County, NC.
I found a Peter Daniel who made a will in 1791 naming
his wife Winneford and son Paul. Other children are
mentioned but not by name. He also names his friend,
Sion Daniel.
A Winny Daniel appears in the 1800 census--probably
Peter's widow.
I am particularly interested in a Peter Daniel who
married Sally Lofton in Rowan County in 1803. Some
researchers are attributing this as a second marriage
for Peter Daniel, son of Charles Daniel and Sarah
Tate. The son of Charles married Jane Mayfield in 1788
in Warren County, NC. Jane's father, Abraham Mayfield,
named her in his will in 1809 so she was still living.
I do not believe the Peter who married Jane Mayfield
and the Peter who married Sally Lofton are the same
man, but wanted to attach Sally to the correct Peter.?
Any help appreciated,
Sheryl
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Re: Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
I assume that the Peter Daniel in question is the ancestor (supposed) of the Brunswick and Dinwiddie County, VA Daniels who moved to Halifax and then to other North Carolina Counties? It seems like there may be some confusion between the Brunswick and Middlesex Peter Daniels? I thought Woodson was in the Middlesex line, or were there Woodsons in both families? I have not looked at either line for some time.
The potential high level haplogroup of the line of Ambrose Daniel is not proved, as there was an NPE in the line of the descendant that was tested. As far as I am aware, no proved descendant of the line of Peter Daniel has taken a Y DNA test, but I could be wrong about that as not everyone in the Daniel DNA Project has listed their claimed ancestor. If anyone is aware of a proved descendant of Peter Daniel of Brunswick who has taken a Y DNA test, that would useful information to post to this forum... Otherwise, we would have to conclude that the potential high level haplogroup of that line is not known.
The Y DNA of the line of Roger Daniel has not been proved. To prove the Y DNA of a paternal line, living direct male descendants of two sons of an ancestor, Roger Daniel in this case, would have to first be proved using primary records and then their Y DNA would need to match. So far, no primary record evidence has been presented which proves a descendant of one son of Roger Daniel, so it not even possible to speculate as to what haplogroup his direct male descendants had/have. Since there could be the potential for breaks in the line of Y DNA of one son, descendants of two sons of an ancestor proved using primary records must be tested and match to prove the Y DNA of an ancestor with reasonable confidence.
If primary record evidence has been compiled to prove the identity of a descendant of at least one son of Roger Daniel, this forum would be a good place to document it or to provide a link to a source that does. Primary record evidence which proves the identity of descendants of two sons would be ideal.
The above being said, the high level haplogroups of Peter Daniel and Roger Daniel are not known unless two proved descendants from each line have taken a Y DNA test. Has that happened?
Best,
Kevin
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Re: Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
It would appear that there were two groups of Daniel's in Rowan and it is unclear at the moment whether they were related. It seems to me that they may not have been.
On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 06:06:45 PM EDT, Jack Danel <jack@...> wrote:
I have a Sion Daniel, b 1795 Halifax VA, son of Ambrose who was
son of Peter Sr. d 1788 Halifax. Peter Sr. had sons James and
Ambrose and there must be Peter Jr.
This Peter Jr could be the one you have making the will in 1791.
This Sion b1795 is too young to be his friend, so there must be
another Sion in the previous generation as well.
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Ref Peter Sr.'s wife Sarah Randall:
Children of Sarah
James Daniel b: 20 JUL 1728 in Halifax County, Virginia, USA (Lt
Rev War)
William Daniel b: 1732 in Halifax County
Peter Daniel b: 1734
Sarah Daniel b: 1736
Randall Daniel b: 1738
NOTE: NO AMBROSE!
Had Sarah died and Peter married Mary Ambrose and then child
Ambrose b 1738??
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Notes about Ambrose:
His will was proved in the May 1795 term of court. Page 147 of
"Heritage History of Chester County, South Carolina", 1982, says
that he moved from Halifax Co., NC, to York Co., SC.
"Captain Bill", Book Three, 1990, by Robert J. Stevens, says that
he was of Halifax Co., VA. [these two Halifax counties are just a
few miles apart on the VA-NC border]
A descendant of this Ambrose tested his dna to be R-M269.
This categorically removes him from the Roger Daniel IV lineage
which is I2.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are some other notes. They may be totally irrelevant:
RECORD:
1. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County NC Abstracts Deed Books
E-1 Transcripts 2&3 (F-1, N-1, P-1, Q-1,R-1)? 1764-1791 Vol
II, 1981 Weynette Parks Haun 243 Argonne Drive Durham, NC 27704.
"P56 345-A TR-2:38: 25-Nov 1769 Woodson Daniel JoCo, planter to
James Daniel Same ? 100 NC, 300 A in JoCo and Nuse (sic) riv beg
at Woodson? Daniel cor. Pine running down sd riv to Edward Moore
cor to a Red Oak under the riv. Bank so bounded between him the sd
Woodson Daniel & Edward Moore lines.? Wooson (sic) Daniel?
Wit: William Pallson, Hannah (H) Daniel. From Page 59 Book F.
P172 970-TR-3:441 26 April 1770. James Daniel, JoCo to Woodson
Daniel, same ?100 proc.,? 300 Acre in JoCo beg at the sd Woodson
Daniels cor pine on Neuse riv bank down sd riv as it meanders to a
Red Oak on the said riv bank which is now Richard Bank’s cor tree
and so bounded between him and the sd Woodson Daniel & Richard
Banks’ line.? Wit Thos. Satterwhite, William Daniel.on Neuse Prvd.
by William Daniel."
2. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County Court Minutes 1759-1766
First Edition, Copyright 1974 Weynette Parks Haun.
"July 1760 34 Ordered that James Daniels Mark be recorded which is
a crop & a slit in ye Right Ear a Swallowfork in ye left and
that his Brand be Recorded which is ID.
July 1760 39-22 On the petition of Henry Hardin praying a Lysence
to keep an Ordinary at his now Dwelling House & offers
Lodowick Tanner, Esq. & James Daniel Securitys who haveing
Enterd into Bonds according to ye Law & same is granted.
Mar 1762 100-53 + the person? makeing such payments that he shall
have it Returned for proc. at the same Rate if he applys before
Lady Day next after? your receiving it....
8. You are to obtain a sight of all such Recepts as has been given
to each of his Lordships tenantss since Lady Day 1744 and take a
minute of the person who paid and of the person who Received the
same and the Date of every such Recept according to the Sheame (?)
also sent you hearwith....
9. For your triouble in performing the Sd Duty of Deputy Collector
within the District in my power Substitution to you, you are to
Deduct after the Rate of 5% on such sums as you shall from time to
time Receive or Secure in manner hearinbefore mencined for his
Lordships use....
10. Before Lady Day Evry year during your Continuence in the sd
Office you are to Render me a fair Copy of the Rentroals which you
shall have Compleeted of lands within the sd. District and alsoe
an account upon Oath of all such monies as you shall have Received
and pay the same over to me for his Lordships use after Deducting
your Comitions afroe mencined.
11 You are to show your power of substitution and these
instructions to such of his Lordships Tenants as are Disierous of
Seeing them and Likewise to acquaint them that they may have the
perusial of his Lordships Power of Attorney and Instructions to me
upon applying to me. Signed-Sealed and Delivered in presents of
Willie Jones, Joseph Chatwin, James Daniel (Signed) Robert Jones,
Junr (Seal).
Oct 1762 Court minutes? 127 On motion ordered that John Bromfield,
Ried, Burton & Thomas Terrell being duly sworn or any two of
them be appointed to make a division of the Estate of John Gouge
Deceased in the hands of James Daniel between John Gouge &
Woodson Daniel in the right of his wife who with the last
mentioned John Gouge are orphans of John Gouge deceased and make
return of said Division to next Court.
Oct 1762
128-67 The Acct of James Daniel guardian of John Gouge Orphan of
John Gouge deceased was produced by the said James Daniel &
Offered the Court for their consideration the said Acct is
approved of and ordered that the Clerk record the same.
Jan 1763 142-74 A Return of the Division of the Estate of John
Gouge Dec'd is made by two of the persons appointed to make the
said Division.? Ordered that the sd Division be recorded it being
made agreeable to the Order of the last Court.
James Daniel, Esqr. Guardian to John Gouge Exhibited his accot of
Disb. Since last settlement on oath whereby it appears that he
hath regularly paid and advanced them sum of ?12 12 shillings and
10 Pence half penny proclamation money.? Ordered said accot. Be
filed.? Ordered that the said James Daniel hire out the Negroes
the property of the said John Gouge for the most money that may be
had, and that he accot for such hire agreeable to law.
July 1763 157 Ordered that the Constables summon the [Ink-blurred)
of their respective Districts to give in their Lists of Taxables
for the year 1763 to the following Magistrates, Viz.. Richd.
Bradford to James Daniel, Esq. [7 others listed].
1763 no month 166-86 James Daniel guardian of John Gouge Exhibeted
into Cot. an Accting of sd. Gouge's Estate of 13..15..1 which was
allow'd also one shillg & 8 pence Clks. fees."
3. Weynette Parks Haun, Orange County NC Court Minutes 1752-1761
Book I, Weynette Parks Haun 1991.
"Aug 1760 Ordered that James Daniel be appointed Guardian to John
Gouge, orphan child of John Gouge, Deceased, he having given
Thomas King and Thomas Hariss Security's in the sum of two hundred
pounds Proclamation.Money for his faithful discharge of his said
office.
Feb 1761 Andrew HAMPTON vs. James DANIEL: Petition. On Petition of
Andrew HAMPTON against James DANIEL for 4 pounds twelve shillings
and one Penny Proclamation Money said to be due upon Account."
4. Transcribed and Reproduced by Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston
County Court Minutes 1767-1777, Weynette Parks Haun 1975.
"
Nov 1769 97-76? The ----Deeds are prvd by the following Persons
and ordered to be recorded:? Woodson Daniel to James Daniel by
William Patterson.
Nov 1768 73-166 Ordered that a Subpena Issue to Wm. Luton, Jas.
Daniel and William Daniel to appear at the next Court to prove a
Deed of Conveyance from Woodson Daniel to Chs. Copland.
July 1767 22 Upon Motion of James Daniel to turn the road that
proceeds through his plantation is ordered to lay over till next
ct."
5. Wynette Parks Haun, Wake County, NC Land Entries 1746-1846
(Wynette Parks Haun 1980).
" May 16 1778 George Brogdon enters four hundred acres on vacant
land in Wake County on N side of Neuse River and on the Ledge of
Rocks Creek joining McCullochs line and Frances Wests line
including the improvement where James Daniel lived. [Why past
tense here?]
228 2 Nov 1778 Thomas DAVIS enters Four hundred and twenty acres
of Land in Wake County bounded by the County Line &
McCULLOCK'S Great Survey Line on the Beaver Dam thence to the
agreement Branch between James DANIEL, Senr & said DAVIS
420:50/:11.
Caveated by Benjn. Clark Warrant Issued agreeable to Entry. Warrt
Issd. #105 March 2d 1778.? Major Pollard Enterd Five Hundred acres
of Vacant Land in Wake County beginning? on the Ledge of Rocks
running up a small Branch called Dividing between William Colberts
and the Improvement from the head of the Branch to the top of a
Ridge near an old Path thence running Northeast to the big branch
that Divides James Daniel and the Improvement thence down the
Branch to W/IOTS Line thence along said line to the Ledge of Rock
Creek and down said Creek to the Beginning. 500: 50/: 12.16.
684 Nov 2d 1778, Thomas Davis enters Four Hundred & Twenty
acres of Land in Wake County bounded by the county line &
McCulloch's Great Survy line on the Beaver Dam thence to the
agreement Branch between James Daniel Senr. & said Davis."
6. Frances Holloway Wynne, Abstract of Record of Wills,
Inventories, Settlements of Estates 1771-1802 Wake Co., NC,
Frances Holloway Wynne 1987.
"
Deed Book F P63 Micajah FERRELL of Wake County to Humph. DAVIS of
same, June 7, 1784 for 200 pds. Specie a tract of 150 acres on the
north Bank of Neuse River at the mouth of Cedar Creek adjoining
Phillip BURFORD and James DANIEL. Wit: Richard BANKS, William
DAVIS."
7. Weynette Parks Haun, Wake Court Minutes 1771-1776 Book A-1,
Copyright 1978 Weynette Parks Haun 243 Argonne Drive, Durham, NC.
"
Wake County Court Minutes Book I 71-75 Sep 1774 James Daniel
applied to have leave to keep a public house in this County which
was Granted; offered for security Mr Alexander Munn and Mr. James
Jones who were approved by the court.? Ordered that License
issue."
8. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County NC Abstracts Deed Books
E-1 Transcripts 2&3 (F-1, N-1, P-1, Q-1,R-1)? 1764-1791 Vol
II, 1981 Weynette Parks Haun 243 Argonne Drive Durham, NC 27704.
"#19 E-1:21: 29 Aug 1764. John MADRY, Terrel Co. to John COLEMAN
JoCo, ?100 Proc. 320 A in JoCo. on SS Neuse Riv. beg at a cor. Red
Oak on the bank of Neuse Riv., running thence S29 W 336 p to a
stake: S5W23p to a stake, N29E336p to an ash on sd riv. at the
mouth of a Springbo: up sd riv as it meaners (sic) to the
beg...houses, gardens & C...Wit: James DANIEL, Elizabeth
DANIEL."
9. Weynette Parks Haun, Wake County North Carolina Court Minutes
1801-1803, 1985 Weynette Parks Haun.
"55-203 May 1801 A deed from James DANIEL to Lewis BLEDSOE was
acknowledged and ordered to be recorded.
166-52 Feb 1802 Constables named for 1802 Daniels District...James
DANIEL.
167-53 Feb 1802 Constables securities James DANIEL, Dempsey BLAKE
& David DANIEL.
??????????????????????????? David DANIEL, William SHIP &
Dempsey BLAKE.
26-147 Nov Term 1802 Ordered that James DANIEL. Conl. be allowed
the sum of One pound four shillings for attending on the grand
jury three days at this term and that the county trustee pay the
same.
263-149 Nov Term 1802 The Last Will & Testament of John
ROGERS, decd. was duly proven in open court by the oath? of James
DANIEL a subscribing witness therto and Ordered to be recorded."
On 6/22/2021 5:20 PM, Sheryl Neal
Slaughter wrote:
I am interested in information on the earliest Daniels in Rowan
County, NC.
I found a Peter Daniel who made a will in 1791 naming his wife
Winneford and son Paul. Other children are mentioned but not by
name. He also names his friend, Sion Daniel.
A Winny Daniel appears in the 1800 census--probably Peter's widow.
I am particularly interested in a Peter Daniel who married Sally
Lofton in Rowan County in 1803. Some researchers are attributing
this as a second marriage for Peter Daniel, son of Charles Daniel
and Sarah Tate. The son of Charles married Jane Mayfield in 1788
in Warren County, NC. Jane's father, Abraham Mayfield, named her
in his will in 1809 so she was still living. I do not believe the
Peter who married Jane Mayfield and the Peter who married Sally
Lofton are the same man, but wanted to attach Sally to the correct
Peter.?
Any help appreciated,
Sheryl
|
Re: Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
I have a Sion Daniel, b 1795 Halifax VA, son of Ambrose who was
son of Peter Sr. d 1788 Halifax. Peter Sr. had sons James and
Ambrose and there must be Peter Jr.
This Peter Jr could be the one you have making the will in 1791.
This Sion b1795 is too young to be his friend, so there must be
another Sion in the previous generation as well.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Ref Peter Sr.'s wife Sarah Randall:
Children of Sarah
James Daniel b: 20 JUL 1728 in Halifax County, Virginia, USA (Lt
Rev War)
William Daniel b: 1732 in Halifax County
Peter Daniel b: 1734
Sarah Daniel b: 1736
Randall Daniel b: 1738
NOTE: NO AMBROSE!
Had Sarah died and Peter married Mary Ambrose and then child
Ambrose b 1738??
------------------------------------------------------------------
Notes about Ambrose:
His will was proved in the May 1795 term of court. Page 147 of
"Heritage History of Chester County, South Carolina", 1982, says
that he moved from Halifax Co., NC, to York Co., SC.
"Captain Bill", Book Three, 1990, by Robert J. Stevens, says that
he was of Halifax Co., VA. [these two Halifax counties are just a
few miles apart on the VA-NC border]
A descendant of this Ambrose tested his dna to be R-M269.
This categorically removes him from the Roger Daniel IV lineage
which is I2.
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Here are some other notes. They may be totally irrelevant:
RECORD:
1. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County NC Abstracts Deed Books
E-1 Transcripts 2&3 (F-1, N-1, P-1, Q-1,R-1)? 1764-1791 Vol
II, 1981 Weynette Parks Haun 243 Argonne Drive Durham, NC 27704.
"P56 345-A TR-2:38: 25-Nov 1769 Woodson Daniel JoCo, planter to
James Daniel Same ? 100 NC, 300 A in JoCo and Nuse (sic) riv beg
at Woodson? Daniel cor. Pine running down sd riv to Edward Moore
cor to a Red Oak under the riv. Bank so bounded between him the sd
Woodson Daniel & Edward Moore lines.? Wooson (sic) Daniel?
Wit: William Pallson, Hannah (H) Daniel. From Page 59 Book F.
P172 970-TR-3:441 26 April 1770. James Daniel, JoCo to Woodson
Daniel, same ?100 proc.,? 300 Acre in JoCo beg at the sd Woodson
Daniels cor pine on Neuse riv bank down sd riv as it meanders to a
Red Oak on the said riv bank which is now Richard Bank’s cor tree
and so bounded between him and the sd Woodson Daniel & Richard
Banks’ line.? Wit Thos. Satterwhite, William Daniel.on Neuse Prvd.
by William Daniel."
2. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County Court Minutes 1759-1766
First Edition, Copyright 1974 Weynette Parks Haun.
"July 1760 34 Ordered that James Daniels Mark be recorded which is
a crop & a slit in ye Right Ear a Swallowfork in ye left and
that his Brand be Recorded which is ID.
July 1760 39-22 On the petition of Henry Hardin praying a Lysence
to keep an Ordinary at his now Dwelling House & offers
Lodowick Tanner, Esq. & James Daniel Securitys who haveing
Enterd into Bonds according to ye Law & same is granted.
Mar 1762 100-53 + the person? makeing such payments that he shall
have it Returned for proc. at the same Rate if he applys before
Lady Day next after? your receiving it....
8. You are to obtain a sight of all such Recepts as has been given
to each of his Lordships tenantss since Lady Day 1744 and take a
minute of the person who paid and of the person who Received the
same and the Date of every such Recept according to the Sheame (?)
also sent you hearwith....
9. For your triouble in performing the Sd Duty of Deputy Collector
within the District in my power Substitution to you, you are to
Deduct after the Rate of 5% on such sums as you shall from time to
time Receive or Secure in manner hearinbefore mencined for his
Lordships use....
10. Before Lady Day Evry year during your Continuence in the sd
Office you are to Render me a fair Copy of the Rentroals which you
shall have Compleeted of lands within the sd. District and alsoe
an account upon Oath of all such monies as you shall have Received
and pay the same over to me for his Lordships use after Deducting
your Comitions afroe mencined.
11 You are to show your power of substitution and these
instructions to such of his Lordships Tenants as are Disierous of
Seeing them and Likewise to acquaint them that they may have the
perusial of his Lordships Power of Attorney and Instructions to me
upon applying to me. Signed-Sealed and Delivered in presents of
Willie Jones, Joseph Chatwin, James Daniel (Signed) Robert Jones,
Junr (Seal).
Oct 1762 Court minutes? 127 On motion ordered that John Bromfield,
Ried, Burton & Thomas Terrell being duly sworn or any two of
them be appointed to make a division of the Estate of John Gouge
Deceased in the hands of James Daniel between John Gouge &
Woodson Daniel in the right of his wife who with the last
mentioned John Gouge are orphans of John Gouge deceased and make
return of said Division to next Court.
Oct 1762
128-67 The Acct of James Daniel guardian of John Gouge Orphan of
John Gouge deceased was produced by the said James Daniel &
Offered the Court for their consideration the said Acct is
approved of and ordered that the Clerk record the same.
Jan 1763 142-74 A Return of the Division of the Estate of John
Gouge Dec'd is made by two of the persons appointed to make the
said Division.? Ordered that the sd Division be recorded it being
made agreeable to the Order of the last Court.
James Daniel, Esqr. Guardian to John Gouge Exhibited his accot of
Disb. Since last settlement on oath whereby it appears that he
hath regularly paid and advanced them sum of ?12 12 shillings and
10 Pence half penny proclamation money.? Ordered said accot. Be
filed.? Ordered that the said James Daniel hire out the Negroes
the property of the said John Gouge for the most money that may be
had, and that he accot for such hire agreeable to law.
July 1763 157 Ordered that the Constables summon the [Ink-blurred)
of their respective Districts to give in their Lists of Taxables
for the year 1763 to the following Magistrates, Viz.. Richd.
Bradford to James Daniel, Esq. [7 others listed].
1763 no month 166-86 James Daniel guardian of John Gouge Exhibeted
into Cot. an Accting of sd. Gouge's Estate of 13..15..1 which was
allow'd also one shillg & 8 pence Clks. fees."
3. Weynette Parks Haun, Orange County NC Court Minutes 1752-1761
Book I, Weynette Parks Haun 1991.
"Aug 1760 Ordered that James Daniel be appointed Guardian to John
Gouge, orphan child of John Gouge, Deceased, he having given
Thomas King and Thomas Hariss Security's in the sum of two hundred
pounds Proclamation.Money for his faithful discharge of his said
office.
Feb 1761 Andrew HAMPTON vs. James DANIEL: Petition. On Petition of
Andrew HAMPTON against James DANIEL for 4 pounds twelve shillings
and one Penny Proclamation Money said to be due upon Account."
4. Transcribed and Reproduced by Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston
County Court Minutes 1767-1777, Weynette Parks Haun 1975.
"
Nov 1769 97-76? The ----Deeds are prvd by the following Persons
and ordered to be recorded:? Woodson Daniel to James Daniel by
William Patterson.
Nov 1768 73-166 Ordered that a Subpena Issue to Wm. Luton, Jas.
Daniel and William Daniel to appear at the next Court to prove a
Deed of Conveyance from Woodson Daniel to Chs. Copland.
July 1767 22 Upon Motion of James Daniel to turn the road that
proceeds through his plantation is ordered to lay over till next
ct."
5. Wynette Parks Haun, Wake County, NC Land Entries 1746-1846
(Wynette Parks Haun 1980).
" May 16 1778 George Brogdon enters four hundred acres on vacant
land in Wake County on N side of Neuse River and on the Ledge of
Rocks Creek joining McCullochs line and Frances Wests line
including the improvement where James Daniel lived. [Why past
tense here?]
228 2 Nov 1778 Thomas DAVIS enters Four hundred and twenty acres
of Land in Wake County bounded by the County Line &
McCULLOCK'S Great Survey Line on the Beaver Dam thence to the
agreement Branch between James DANIEL, Senr & said DAVIS
420:50/:11.
Caveated by Benjn. Clark Warrant Issued agreeable to Entry. Warrt
Issd. #105 March 2d 1778.? Major Pollard Enterd Five Hundred acres
of Vacant Land in Wake County beginning? on the Ledge of Rocks
running up a small Branch called Dividing between William Colberts
and the Improvement from the head of the Branch to the top of a
Ridge near an old Path thence running Northeast to the big branch
that Divides James Daniel and the Improvement thence down the
Branch to W/IOTS Line thence along said line to the Ledge of Rock
Creek and down said Creek to the Beginning. 500: 50/: 12.16.
684 Nov 2d 1778, Thomas Davis enters Four Hundred & Twenty
acres of Land in Wake County bounded by the county line &
McCulloch's Great Survy line on the Beaver Dam thence to the
agreement Branch between James Daniel Senr. & said Davis."
6. Frances Holloway Wynne, Abstract of Record of Wills,
Inventories, Settlements of Estates 1771-1802 Wake Co., NC,
Frances Holloway Wynne 1987.
"
Deed Book F P63 Micajah FERRELL of Wake County to Humph. DAVIS of
same, June 7, 1784 for 200 pds. Specie a tract of 150 acres on the
north Bank of Neuse River at the mouth of Cedar Creek adjoining
Phillip BURFORD and James DANIEL. Wit: Richard BANKS, William
DAVIS."
7. Weynette Parks Haun, Wake Court Minutes 1771-1776 Book A-1,
Copyright 1978 Weynette Parks Haun 243 Argonne Drive, Durham, NC.
"
Wake County Court Minutes Book I 71-75 Sep 1774 James Daniel
applied to have leave to keep a public house in this County which
was Granted; offered for security Mr Alexander Munn and Mr. James
Jones who were approved by the court.? Ordered that License
issue."
8. Weynette Parks Haun, Johnston County NC Abstracts Deed Books
E-1 Transcripts 2&3 (F-1, N-1, P-1, Q-1,R-1)? 1764-1791 Vol
II, 1981 Weynette Parks Haun 243 Argonne Drive Durham, NC 27704.
"#19 E-1:21: 29 Aug 1764. John MADRY, Terrel Co. to John COLEMAN
JoCo, ?100 Proc. 320 A in JoCo. on SS Neuse Riv. beg at a cor. Red
Oak on the bank of Neuse Riv., running thence S29 W 336 p to a
stake: S5W23p to a stake, N29E336p to an ash on sd riv. at the
mouth of a Springbo: up sd riv as it meaners (sic) to the
beg...houses, gardens & C...Wit: James DANIEL, Elizabeth
DANIEL."
9. Weynette Parks Haun, Wake County North Carolina Court Minutes
1801-1803, 1985 Weynette Parks Haun.
"55-203 May 1801 A deed from James DANIEL to Lewis BLEDSOE was
acknowledged and ordered to be recorded.
166-52 Feb 1802 Constables named for 1802 Daniels District...James
DANIEL.
167-53 Feb 1802 Constables securities James DANIEL, Dempsey BLAKE
& David DANIEL.
??????????????????????????? David DANIEL, William SHIP &
Dempsey BLAKE.
26-147 Nov Term 1802 Ordered that James DANIEL. Conl. be allowed
the sum of One pound four shillings for attending on the grand
jury three days at this term and that the county trustee pay the
same.
263-149 Nov Term 1802 The Last Will & Testament of John
ROGERS, decd. was duly proven in open court by the oath? of James
DANIEL a subscribing witness therto and Ordered to be recorded."
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I am interested in information on the earliest Daniels in Rowan
County, NC.
I found a Peter Daniel who made a will in 1791 naming his wife
Winneford and son Paul. Other children are mentioned but not by
name. He also names his friend, Sion Daniel.
A Winny Daniel appears in the 1800 census--probably Peter's widow.
I am particularly interested in a Peter Daniel who married Sally
Lofton in Rowan County in 1803. Some researchers are attributing
this as a second marriage for Peter Daniel, son of Charles Daniel
and Sarah Tate. The son of Charles married Jane Mayfield in 1788
in Warren County, NC. Jane's father, Abraham Mayfield, named her
in his will in 1809 so she was still living. I do not believe the
Peter who married Jane Mayfield and the Peter who married Sally
Lofton are the same man, but wanted to attach Sally to the correct
Peter.?
Any help appreciated,
Sheryl
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Daniel family of Rowan County, NC
I am interested in information on the earliest Daniels in Rowan County, NC.
I found a Peter Daniel who made a will in 1791 naming his wife Winneford and son Paul. Other children are mentioned but not by name. He also names his friend, Sion Daniel.
A Winny Daniel appears in the 1800 census--probably Peter's widow.
I am particularly interested in a Peter Daniel who married Sally Lofton in Rowan County in 1803. Some researchers are attributing this as a second marriage for Peter Daniel, son of Charles Daniel and Sarah Tate. The son of Charles married Jane Mayfield in 1788 in Warren County, NC. Jane's father, Abraham Mayfield, named her in his will in 1809 so she was still living. I do not believe the Peter who married Jane Mayfield and the Peter who married Sally Lofton are the same man, but wanted to attach Sally to the correct Peter.?
Any help appreciated,
Sheryl
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Re: John Daniel 1730 to after 1765 of Essex/Caroline/Cumberland/Goochland, Virginia
Thanks for the heads up! Looks like many Goochland records have been? unlocked since the last time I checked!
Kevin
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Re: John Daniel 1730 to after 1765 of Essex/Caroline/Cumberland/Goochland, Virginia
On 5/24/21 4:58 PM, Kevin Daniel via groups.io wrote: .....Again, Heinemann does not explain how he arrived at the
conclusion that the maiden name of Elizabeth was Lewis. It really bugs
me when people don't explain their reasoning! I wish CBH was still
alive so I could give him a piece of my mind. CBH was a close
collaborator of my father's first cousin, also a genealogist, but she
never came close to making correct assignments for our Daniels, but
that is another rant. Hah hah!! I think we've all got a long list of genealogists to whom we'd like to give a piece of our mind, people who wrote tantalizing stuff without giving any supporting evidence or even a basic reason for how they came to that conclusion. And then there's the ones who set the court houses, etc. on fire, grrrrr....! Anyway..... Goochland records are locked on FamilySearch, so if anyone
has transcriptions of Goochland records, knows about the Daniel
families who were living there in the 1750s-1780s, please keep me in mind! I was looking at Goochland records on familySearch recently and the Deed & Will records are viewable and downloadable with an account. A few are locked, FHC only?, mostly post 1839. But the Grantor & Grantee indices are available from home - Grantor Index - “Da...” surnames = begin image 101 Grantee Index - “Da...” surnames = begin image 105 And there's also the Weisiger Goochland abstract books, available from home too. Goochland County, Virginia, wills and deeds - abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III Covers v.1. 1728-1736 - v. 3. 1742-1749, with an every name index and searchable too. Have fun! C. Etter - researching the James & Priscilla Daniel family of Essex Co., VA.
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For your information Paul William DANIEL submitted his DNA kit 13589,? He is a descendant of your William Mack family and he was a personal friend of mine before he passed as well as Dickey Gene kit 14965 descendant of Lott DANIEL and? Glenn Andrew kit 21205 descendant of Ruben. I seem to have left Kevin off so please provide info tp him, thanks. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Janine Zerger LAST_NAMESent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:19 PM To: Jdan274@...Subject: William Mack Daniel ? I was speaking to you earlier on the Daniel message board. I then realized that you & I have communicated before, in December 2019, on Ancestry. I just reread your message from back then. At the time, you said you had yet to connect John to William Mack, but then later you referred to William as "John's bro." I don't think that I caught that the first time that I read it because of what you said next, which caught my eye--that William Mack was a co-owner of Meltons Mill. I have often wondered if William's wife, Eliza Ann Melton, was Phillip Melton's daughter. The DNA matches suggest that she could be, & the fact that she & William named their second son Phillip also suggests that. However, almost no one has her listed as his daughter, in fact I think I was the first one on Ancestry to link them together. Not to mention that a descendent of their daughter, Avis Caroline, said it was passed down that William & Eliza lived in far eastern Tennessee, near Iron Mountain, until after their second daughter, Lucinda Jane, was born. That piece of information sort of threw a monkey wrench in trying to tie Eliza to Phillip & William to Joseph Daniel's family. It has also been passed down that Eliza was at least partially Native American. I don't know anything about her mother, so that's a possibility...not to mention that my mother knew Eliza & William's granddaughter (my mother's grandmother), & my mother always thought her grandmother was a full-blooded native, partly because of how she looked & acted, but also because she mentioned being native to my mom & said that she had turned down land in Oklahoma because she wanted to stay in Missouri. As for Elizabeth Green, who was Phillip Melton's wife when he died, I don't believe that she was the mother of his children. They had only been married for about 10 years at the time of his death. The reason that I spelled Joseph's nickname as possibly "Joab" is because that is how it's spelled in a letter that Joseph & Elizabeth's son, William, wrote when trying to help Elizabeth get her widow's pension. I wasn't sure if this was William Mack or the older William, because supposedly the older William was already dead by the time the letter was written (1853). And, the son who wrote the letter lived in Lawrence County, TN. On the 1850 census, William Mack is the only William Daniel that I see in Lawrence County. What are you looking for as proof of ancestry for descendants of this line? As I mentioned when I replied to your message on the message board, I have my DNA test at Ancestry, GEDmatch & Family Tree DNA.? On WikiTree, I am listed as a descendent of William Mack. My GEDmatch number can be found there, also. By the way, I saw from your message on Ancestry that your middle initial is "M." Is James M. Daniel a family name that's been passed down? William & Eliza's first son's name was James M., & I believe that John also named one of his sons James M (James Madison).? ? ?
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John Daniel 1730 to after 1765 of Essex/Caroline/Cumberland/Goochland, Virginia
I am looking for any information about John Daniel 25 June 1730 - after 1767 of Cumberland and Goochland Counties, VA.
My ancestor, Thomas Daniel 1750-1825, was probably the son of John and Elizabeth Daniel of Essex/Caroline, Cumberland and Goochland Counties, VA. I say probably because during the Civil War most primary records in Caroline County and virtually all primary records in King & Queen County, Virginia were lost. The Daniel family lived in Caroline close to the King? & Queen (and Essex) line and there are several indications they were in all three counties.
The Daniel family of Caroline County, VA, which descends from William Daniel 1680-1765 of Essex and Caroline Counties, has been reconstructed by proving the Y DNA? of descendants of three sons of William Daniel 1680-1765. Details of how this was done are available at:
At any rate, Y DNA, residence patterns and naming patterns place my Thomas Daniel 1750-1825 as a descendant of William Daniel 1680-1765, and based on what can be proved and what is currently known of this family, he best fits as a son of John and Elizabeth Daniel. He named is first son John, second William and third Thomas.
John was in Cumberland County in 1763 when he bought land from William Daniel. William Daniel bought this land in 1755 and in that deed he is described as "William Daniel of Caroline County". John and William were probably sons of Thomas Daniel 1707-1738 and Mary Rowzee. The full birth dates of their four sons (James b. 1728, John b. 1730, William b. 1732 and Thomas b. 1734)? were given in guardianship records for these children associated with the estate of Thomas 1707-1738.
John Daniel's guardian was his uncle, William Daniel Jr. 1705-1783, who also had a son John 1725-1799, so it is often difficult distinguish these two John's in Caroline County, VA court records, until John, son of Thomas 1707-1738, moved to Cumberland County.
John and William Daniel 1732-1765 of Cumberland County, VA both sold their land in 1765 and left the county. John's wife Elizabeth and William's wife Patsy, released their dower rights (There were two unrelated William/Patsy Daniels in Cumberland at this time). In 1767, John Daniel traveled ("twice coming and returning 45 miles") back to Cumberland County to bear witness at a trial (William Watters vs William Davenport). John was compensated 320 lbs of tobaccos. The Cumberland County courthouse was at now in Powhatan County, VA in 1767.
Charles Brunk Heinemann, in Daniel Families of the Southern States, placed William and John in Goochland, seemingly after leaving, Cumberland, but does not state how he made that conclusion. He was also convinced, just short of making the assignment, that the maiden name of John's wife Elizabeth was Lewis. John Daniel 1725-1799, my John's first cousin, was closely associated with the Lewis and Meriwether families. Again, Heinemann does not explain how he arrived at the conclusion that the maiden name of Elizabeth was Lewis. It really bugs me when people don't explain their reasoning! I wish CBH was still alive so I could give him a piece of my mind. CBH was a close collaborator of my father's first cousin, also a genealogist, but she never came close to making correct assignments for our Daniels, but that is another rant.?
Anyway..... Goochland records are locked on FamilySearch, so if anyone has transcriptions of Goochland records, knows about the Daniel families who were living there in the 1750s-1780s, please keep me in mind!
Thanks!
Kevin
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Re: Daniel/ Stith connections
Joe,
I am a descendant of Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Stith. Where do you fall in this family? I’d love to connect via your DNA results and research information. My email is below.
And Kevin, the blog post is mine. Thanks for quoting it.
Mike
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Was just wondering if anyone knows of any family connection between the Daniel's ( Shelby county KY ) and the family name Stith. The reason for the question is using my dad's autosomal dna kit I have a couple of matches who appear to be sisters, that are apparent descendants of David Daniel b 1804 NC d abt 1870 LA, this David is also a y-dna match to me, when I go to shared matches with these sisters I get three males with the last name Stith( I know this dna could come from anywhere but so far I have not found any other connections dna wise). As mentioned my 4th GGrandfather lived in Shelby county KY , in the 1800 tax/census list was a Stith Daniel as well as a Thomas sr and Thomas jr. (it is not clear if these two were father and son ) , but it appears Thomas jr married a Forsythe woman and they had a son named Stith Daniel also. This Stith later moved to Johnson county IN. I was just wondering if anyone has researched this group or has any insights ??
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Oh, wonderful! I almost mentioned John Buckley. One of William Mack's sons, William Mack Jr., named one of his sons John William Buckley Daniel, so I thought there might be a connection. But, I wasn't really sure of John Buckley's family history, either. I have my DNA test on Ancestry, GEDmatch & Family Tree DNA. Do you want to look me up on one of those sites, or should I email you privately?
On 05/24/2021 1:24 PM James Daniel <jdan274@...> wrote:
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I have your information and that ?0f Jobe ( I THINK Joseph Abraham or Abram) which I have researched documented over the past 20 years.? It is private however I share with those family members I can prove.? Jdan274@... contact.? My goal is to find the information that links Jobe with the Daniel family of Sussex County Maryland ie Cedar Creek or obtain the family research of the individual who submitted kit 188665 for William Daniel.? I welcome any and all request for or additional help or information for those individuals that are proven descendants of kits 21205. 14965. 133944. 32867. 13589 and 293716 ( My research over the years indicates one family kin resided in France. You William M is a brother of my John B are sons of Avis wife of John iaw my research.Sent from for Windows 10
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It's great to see some conversation going on in the group. I thought I would jump it to ask (again) if anyone has information on William Mack Daniel's (1805-1890) family history. It would be great to find some male Daniel descendants, but I personally don't know anyone from this branch of my family. There seems to be a connection via DNA to Joseph (Job/Joab) Daniel's descendants, & many have William listed as Joseph's son in their trees. I have seen at least one person dispute this connection.
William Mack Daniel was born in NC, married Eliza Ann Melton (1817-1904) in Tennessee (they lived in Lawrence County in 1850). They moved to Reynolds County, MO by 1860, then Sharp County, AR by 1870, then they were in Hot Spring County, AR, by 1880 & lived there the rest of his life. His partial biography is listed in the Daniel DNA Project with all the other participating families, but there is no Y-DNA kit associated with him. He & Eliza had seven children (all born in TN): Avis Caroline Daniel, Lucinda Jane Daniel, James M. Daniel, Phillip Wayne Daniel, William Mack Daniel, Jr., Mary Emma Daniel (my 2nd great grandmother), & John Henry Daniel. At least one son (Phillip) moved to the next county, Clark County, AR, & William Mack, Jr., moved to Texas. Mary Emma ended up in Oregon County, MO.
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I have your information and that ?0f Jobe ( I THINK Joseph Abraham or Abram) which I have researched documented over the past 20 years.? It is private however I share with those family members I can prove.? Jdan274@... contact.? My goal is to find the information that links Jobe with the Daniel family of Sussex County Maryland ie Cedar Creek or obtain the family research of the individual who submitted kit 188665 for William Daniel.? I welcome any and all request for or additional help or information for those individuals that are proven descendants of kits 21205. 14965. 133944. 32867. 13589 and 293716 ( My research over the years indicates one family kin resided in France. You William M is a brother of my John B are sons of Avis wife of John iaw my research.Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: jzerger@...Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 12:52 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [Daniel] William Mack Daniel ? It's great to see some conversation going on in the group. I thought I would jump it to ask (again) if anyone has information on William Mack Daniel's (1805-1890) family history. It would be great to find some male Daniel descendants, but I personally don't know anyone from this branch of my family. There seems to be a connection via DNA to Joseph (Job/Joab) Daniel's descendants, & many have William listed as Joseph's son in their trees. I have seen at least one person dispute this connection.
William Mack Daniel was born in NC, married Eliza Ann Melton (1817-1904) in Tennessee (they lived in Lawrence County in 1850). They moved to Reynolds County, MO by 1860, then Sharp County, AR by 1870, then they were in Hot Spring County, AR, by 1880 & lived there the rest of his life. His partial biography is listed in the Daniel DNA Project with all the other participating families, but there is no Y-DNA kit associated with him. He & Eliza had seven children (all born in TN): Avis Caroline Daniel, Lucinda Jane Daniel, James M. Daniel, Phillip Wayne Daniel, William Mack Daniel, Jr., Mary Emma Daniel (my 2nd great grandmother), & John Henry Daniel. At least one son (Phillip) moved to the next county, Clark County, AR, & William Mack, Jr., moved to Texas. Mary Emma ended up in Oregon County, MO.
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It's great to see some conversation going on in the group. I thought I would jump it to ask (again) if anyone has information on William Mack Daniel's (1805-1890) family history. It would be great to find some male Daniel descendants, but I personally don't know anyone from this branch of my family. There seems to be a connection via DNA to Joseph (Job/Joab) Daniel's descendants, & many have William listed as Joseph's son in their trees. I have seen at least one person dispute this connection.
William Mack Daniel was born in NC, married Eliza Ann Melton (1817-1904) in Tennessee (they lived in Lawrence County in 1850). They moved to Reynolds County, MO by 1860, then Sharp County, AR by 1870, then they were in Hot Spring County, AR, by 1880 & lived there the rest of his life. His partial biography is listed in the Daniel DNA Project with all the other participating families, but there is no Y-DNA kit associated with him. He & Eliza had seven children (all born in TN): Avis Caroline Daniel, Lucinda Jane Daniel, James M. Daniel, Phillip Wayne Daniel, William Mack Daniel, Jr., Mary Emma Daniel (my 2nd great grandmother), & John Henry Daniel. At least one son (Phillip) moved to the next county, Clark County, AR, & William Mack, Jr., moved to Texas. Mary Emma ended up in Oregon County, MO.
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Re: Daniel/ Stith connections
BTW, current DNA/research information about the Middlesex Daniels is publicly available on Pam Miller's site:
http://pamiller.net/genealogy/docs/danielmiddlesex/danieldna/
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Re: Daniel/ Stith connections
BTW, the Thomas Daniel who married Elizabeth Stith is a descendant of James Daniel, the non-biological son of William Daniel of Middlesex. James and Margaret Vivion Daniel > Charles and Jane Mickelborough Daniel > Thomas and Elizabeth Stith Daniel.
It is interesting to note that some of the most prominent members of the Middlesex Daniel family were descendants of James Daniel the non-biological son of William Daniel of Middlesex County, VA. The men of this line of the family were extremely long lived for generations, routinely living into their 80s and even 90s. Y DNA results, so far, suggest that the father of James Daniel had the surname Davis. A very early participant in the Daniel DNA Project, the first supposed descendant of William of Middlesex, was a descendant of James Daniel. This caused some confusion!
Also, based on Y DNA results, it appears that William Daniel of Middlesex had clan ancestry, possibly Irish or Scottish. The closest matches to this line in high marker tests have the surname Wood/Woods, Jones and Hanks in common, but there are matches to other surnames, as well. This is often a sign of clan ancestry. I was recently contacted by the manager of the BigY Facebook group who also happens to be a Wood who closely matches this Daniel line at 111 markers (110/111). He has motivated some descendants of William of Middlesex to do Big Y 700 testing which may soon shed some light on the ancestry of the Daniel family of Middlesex County, VA revealing their terminal SNP. This is all discussed publicly on the BigY group on Facebook and in the Wood discussion group. I am not a member of either group, so may not get the latest news on this research but will share what happens when I find out the results.
Best,
Kevin
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Re: Daniel/ Stith connections
A quick Google search turned up the following.
From:
http://roots4u.blogspot.com/2020/06/racism-and-genealogy-or-musings-of.html
"Thomas married well, and upon his marriage to Elizabeth Stith in 1770 he was given a slave woman named Frank as a wedding gift by Elizabeth's uncle. I show my audience that following a man with a very common name like Thomas Daniel through Virginia and Kentucky can be tied together by following Frank and her children.
Thomas acquired Frank in Stafford County, Virginia, in 1770. He argued in court in Caroline County, Virginia, for his right to own her and her two sons, Reuben and Humphrey, "and all her increase" at the settlement of his uncle's estate in 1782 and 1783. Thomas was taxed on slaves Frank, Reuben, Humphrey, Clary, Sally/Celia, and Jude in Louisa County, Virginia, in 1782 and 1783. In 1795, Thomas Daniel of Jefferson County, Kentucky, sold Reuben, aged about 25; and Humphry, aged about 24; to Robert Breckenridge.
In 1797, Thomas Daniel divested his fourteen slaves in Jefferson County, Kentucky, to his children.? Apparently Reuben and Humphrey were back in his possession, as Frank and Reuben were given to his son Thomas Daniel Jr., while Humphrey went to son, Stith Daniel. "
Kevin
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Re: Daniel/ Stith connections
Hi Joe,
?? This is off the top of my head but..... Thomas Daniel married Elizabeth Stith in Louisa County, VA (?) before 1770. They moved to Caroline County, Va in the 1770s where Thomas sued the estate of his father-in-law for several years. I think the father-in-law died in Louisa (?). I think this is a Middlesex County, VA Daniel line, maybe from James, the non-biological son of William of Middlesex. I'm certain this is a well documented line.
??? Thomas and Elizabeth Stith Daniel moved to Kentucky in the 1790s, Jefferson County, I think. Their son Stith appears in the early 1790s tax lists in that county. I believe that both Thomas and Elizabeth died in the 1790s, maybe in Kentucky, so the Thomas Daniel Sr. in later records was their son who had a son named Thomas. There is a court record in Jefferson or Shelby that mentions their deaths but I don't think there is a probate there...
??? Here it gets a bit tricky as there was a Thomas Daniel from the line of William Daniel (William > William >? John > Thomas) of Caroline in the same counties, Jefferson/Shelby after 1800. I have not been able to sort them out.
??? Pretty sure the Thomas Sr. and Jr. in Shelby County, were the descendants of Thomas and Elizabeth Stith Daniel.
?? I will dig a little deeper into this when I get a chance and try to be more definitive.
Best,
Kevin
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Daniel/ Stith connections
Was just wondering if anyone knows of any family connection between the Daniel's ( Shelby county KY ) and the family name Stith. The reason for the question is using my dad's autosomal dna kit I have a couple of matches who appear to be sisters, that are apparent descendants of David Daniel b 1804 NC d abt 1870 LA, this David is also a y-dna match to me, when I go to shared matches with these sisters I get three males with the last name Stith( I know this dna could come from anywhere but so far I have not found any other connections dna wise). As mentioned my 4th GGrandfather lived in Shelby county KY , in the 1800 tax/census list was a Stith Daniel as well as a Thomas sr and Thomas jr. (it is not clear if these two were father and son ) , but it appears Thomas jr married a Forsythe woman and they had a son named Stith Daniel also. This Stith later moved to Johnson county IN. I was just wondering if anyone has researched this group or has any insights ??
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Hi Jack,
??? Yeah, very inconvenient when even somewhat unusual given names are used in unrelated lines. At least all of the 15 Estridge/Eastridge Daniels I have found are all from my line. It will be a bad day when I find one who isn't!
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? The Essex and Caroline families intermingled with the same families, especially the Sneads, and in a couple of cases appear in the same records together because of that but seemed to have nothing to do with each other aside from that. The Caroline Daniels were slightly involved with the Harrisons before the Essex Daniels moved to Caroline, but the Essex Daniels were very close to the Harrisons in Essex so both associated with the same Harrisons in Caroline.
? A story I have told before, but it shows how bad things were before Y DNA came along. My ancestor, Estridge Daniel 1782-1852 (2nd great grandson of William 1680-1765 of Caroline) owned land that bordered that of Henry Daniel 1786-1783 (great grandson of James Daniel non-biological son of William of Middlesex) for over 20 years and when Henry sold it, he sold it to Estridge. Only Y DNA proved they weren't related.
?? We are probably up to at least 20 to 30 unrelated Daniel lines before 1800 in Virginia alone! No idea how many unrelated Daniel lines were in North and South Carolina before Virginia Daniels started migrating south and west.
Best,
Kevin
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Re: waqua creek database?
Hello, Kevin,
There seem to be a lot of Daniel folks with first name Harrison
back in those days. And several unrelated, but intermingled family
lines to add confusion. (How many lines are there now? 20 to 30?)
After 1865 there was another Harrison Daniel living on the old
plantation near Danielville Georgia. We have no idea at all as to
his parents, except that he was a mulatto. Some suspect he was a
son of one of the Daniel boys. He may have descendants living in
that area, but I haven't found any willing to think genealogy.
On 5/23/2021 3:58 PM, Kevin Daniel via
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Hi Jack,
??? Wasn't this Harrison Daniel from the line of James Daniel
1664-1742 of Essex County, VA? Possibly a son of James Daniel III
who moved to Caroline County, VA in the late 1760s or early 1770s?
Or has Y DNA testing changed this assignment? BTW, Bedford County,
VA did not exist until 1754.
I will have to double check, but I think the Y DNA of? the
Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens County, SC matches that of the
line of James Daniel 1664-1742.? I have birth places of both Essex
and Bedford Counties, VA for him but suspect that Essex is
correct.
The Y DNA of the Harrison Daniel who died in Indiana does not
match the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 or the Harrison Daniel
who died in Laurens, SC.
?? There is no connection between James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex
and Roger Daniel. It does not appear that anyone can prove descent
from Roger Daniell using primary records, which is the first step
in determining the Y DNA of a line.... The Y DNA of the line of
Roger Daniell is not proved.
Best,
Kevin
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