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Hello Tobias,

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Thanks very much for the detail on the UI Scheme setting location.听 It had moved from where it was previously located.

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I had already set the waterfall height to 100, which is the lowest value.

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Enjoy your weekend.听 I wonder where in Bavaria you are located.听 It has been a long time since I was in that part of Germany.

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Regards,

George

Hello George,

Please simply make your favorite setting in the 'Colors-Fonts - Buttons-Menus' section, see attachment.

In case you care doing so, you can now even change the Menu font (and size!), see the respective Button just above the UI scheme selection.

Also, to make a little more room for your Rx text, you can reduce the height of the waterfall (in the 'Config - Waterfall' Dialog, it will show upon the next FLdig restart).


Enjoy!


73s Tobias
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Please see the attached picture.

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I just installed the latest FLDigi update (4.2.06) after not updating for a number of years.听 Has the plastic-looking option been removed for displaying macro buttons, as described by Ed, W3NR, above?听 I no longer see an option for the UI Scheme that allowed selecting plastic as an option.

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Thanks,

George, NJ3H

Redmond, Oregon USA

Thank you David for your reply. Is this something that could be added in a future version of FLDigi?

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Regards,听

George听

Hello Rich,

Sounds like a great system to have all stations on the same page,so to speak.

For comparison, we had our weekly DL0BS QTC here in Bavaria last night, as every Monday evening from 1900 UTC centered around 3590.75 kHz 80 m. As an SWL, I am just listening but supply a QTC and signal report over time by e-mail to interested participants. The DigiMode has been MFSK32 for about 1.5 years now and all get along quite well without extra tuning assistance, despite the classic MFSK modes being quite sensitive against any offset beyond a few Hz. Most stations use RSID and it works just fine this way. The mode is faster than most people can type, so things run quite swiftly. QRP or remote stations may use MFSK16 instead, like W1AW does for their QST bulletins.

I attach my signal chart just for the qsl traffic, to give you an idea. The vertical scale is in Hz, offset from my rx tuned QRG of 3588.0 kHz. This time, the center frequency was 0.2 kHz low for whatever reason, but everyone adapted to it without any hickups...



All the best and 73s


Tobias
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The ITA2 character set is not a part of fldigi, but easily added (or substituted).听 You would have to modify the source code file rtty.cxx and recompile fldigi.

Good morn' back to you, Rich.

All agreed as you state it below.


I guess the trailing center tone is intended for 'listeners' to help them center their receiver or fldigi offset.

I don't see a technical reason.

Just a wild guess, though...


Have a great day and enjoy ham radio!


73s Tobias
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Hello George,

I wasn't aware this 'reset' might happen once the values were manually set.


To prevent any direct FLdigi induced modifications, you can, of course, edit the fldigi.prefs file and then write protect it (via right click - Properties - 'Read-only' or the like), but then if you change anything while running FLdigi, this also won't be stored for the next launch. So there's always a snag, it seems...


When I tried to figure out what to modify, I found a couple of other parameters which may or may not have an effect, too, e.g.:
rx_text_height:
tile_y:
tile_h:
tile_y_ratio:

...and so on. Unfortunately, some of these config keys are not really self-explanatory and a few called 'ratio' actually appear to be a decimal factor around 1, while others, despite also being called 'ratio', are given in pixels, which is not exactly easy to understand, as far as I'm concerned.


So I agree, and I fear that's where we're stuck at this point.


Just like you, I wish David who (unlike me) really knows what he does and advises would reply directly with a 'proper' solution...


Hopefully another input or idea will evolve at some point, but until then, enjoy the radio hobby and FLdigi nonetheless!


73s Tobias
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What 鈥渕ode鈥� are you using when you see this?

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I think all Thor modes do send a string of characters 听to 鈥渃lear the buffer鈥�

I hear it go fom low to high pitch tones like a trombone.

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Go to Psk31 and see if you still notice tones at the start and end

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Olivia also sends a string at the start of an Olivia mode from the lowest pitch tone to the highest pitch tone,

which sounds like 鈥渂oo-beep鈥� twice

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barry

Philly

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Hello Tobias,

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Well the issue has returned with the wide gray area where the TX text was.听 What is strange is that when I close the program the "int_tile_y_ratio:" is reset to 835, it's original value.听 I have tried this a number of times.听 I make sure that the prefs text file is closed before running and closing FLDigi.听 When the gray area is displayed and then FLDigi is closed, the program appears to subtracting the gray area line height from the "int_tile_y_ratio:" value. 听 So I am stuck right now.

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In the really old day, W1HKJ would chime in with answers or comments.听 I am sure he is busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger these days.听 So we have to look at this situation as not a bug, but a feature.听 It would just be nice to have a SWL version of the program.

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Thanks for the offer to write a script file for the character issue, but it is not worth the effort, as I generally read the incoming text as it is received.

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Have great Tuesday, Tobias.

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Hi George,

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience.

Since we kind of tweaked the 'standard' user interface behavior, it may well be that the full height is not updated until you restart FLdigi.
So hopefully you'll be OK for good as is.


Regarding the RTTY ITA2 character set, I think I had asked the same question a while ago in this group but it went uncommented. I have looked into as much as I understand about the program and could not find any means to replace the US RTTY character set with the European one.


As you show in your 'FLDigi_Images' on the right side, more modern modes such as MFSK (e.g. 32/64 as used in SW Radiogram) don't have this issue, and they even allow using many special characters over the air, if using UTF-8 encoding.


So I guess unless you get someone else's more knowledgeable feedback, we're stuck here for RTTY.


You can, of course, always write a little script allowing to re-convert the 'wrong' characters later, but then, of course, it's not 'live' on the screen but only possible after storing the text for a separate conversion step. If that's something anyway you'd be interested in, I could probably write it for you (but I can handle MS-Windows only here), if you send me an example text with the wrong <-> right cross-reference shown in some way.


But it would, of course, be a lot better to include the regional RTTY char set option in FLdigi directly. We have propagation beacons in Germany, called DRA5 (5195 kHz) and DK0WCY (10144 kHz) which also use RTTY once every hour and the same issues are observed every time, yet maybe to a lesser extent, because of the limited text in a Solar Wx Report.


Well, I guess now I'm QRU... ;-)


Have a great day and enjoy the higher Rx Pane...


73s from Bavaria,

Tobias
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I just tried it again after closing the program and things now work as they should.听 I will keep an eye on it.

Regards,

George

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Greetings,

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I like to decode the Europe feed of news items as described at RTTY.com. Please see the attached picture.

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The gentleman that is one of the go-to people on this replied to by question as to why apostrophe's are printed as <BEL>.听 This only happens on the Europe feed and not on the ITTY feed (US news items).

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Here is his response:

I suspect there is more than just this problem. I think + will print as 鈥� and = will print as ;听

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There may be a few others. This is because there are multiple standards for Baudot. The US uses USTTY and Europe uses ITA2.听

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Everything on the Europe feed prints well on a European teletype machine because those printers are mechanically set up for ITA2. When I first put the Europe feed up, users in Europe complained that things were not printing correctly.听

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One complaint was that apostrophe was triggering the bell on their machines! This is what you are seeing in FLDigi. 听I originally had the Europe channel on USTTY and had to change it to ITA2

Interestingly, the apostrophe and bell are actually switched between the two code standards, so if I send a BEL, European machines will ring the bell but FLDigi will print an apostrophe! If I send an apostrophe, European machines will print an apostrophe but US machines will ring the bell.

Sorry, I forgot to post the image.听 Look at the one with blue text.

Hello Tobias and Rich,

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Thank you both for your replies.听 Rich, I did lower the TX area as much as possible, but it still had a few lines of height.听 Tobias, I had to user 1100 as the magic number for my setup.听 However, if you look at the screen you will notice a large gray area below the decoded text.听 I got this when I went from the smaller size window, expanded it, and it now won't print text there.听 So it almost did the trick.

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If you have any ideas on this little glitch, I am all ears.听 HiHi.

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Again, thanks to both for the help.

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Regards,

George

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Hi Rich,

Thanks for your detailed reply and the wav file.


Your wav file signal looks exactly as expected: a leading short (1 second) center frequency tune tone, followed by the (non-)message consisting of the (idle) dual-tone pair of BPSK125 and then the trailing short (1 second) center frequency tune tone again. Nothing to worry about. And in fact, this is one of the modes (with no FEC or interlace) that performs almost in real-time, between TX Pane typing and RX Pane 'printing' on the RX side, other than Olivia and several other DigiModes, which have considerably longer lags, due to their technical protocol definition.


So if you see this behavior on your actual radio output as well, you're perfectly fine, IMHO.


In your config, should you experience a prolonged reaction time again at some point, maybe double check that you don't have Video ID activated. There is a separate Dialog on this, under 'IDs', just below 'RsID'. Sending this upfront takes quite a few seconds.


As an SWL, I can't really comment on any rig related specifics, but I can't see anything to question in what you have described here.
But if you think I can be of any help, just drop me a line. Over the years, I have 'accumulated' a bit of experience with various DigiModes in FLdigi, which outperforms any alternatives I have tried so far.


So hopefully, you'll be back on the air and 'in business' before long, without any hickups...


Good luck with all your plans and activities coming up!


Greetings and 73s from Bavaria...

Tobias
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