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Re: Odd WF distortion leads to no decode...


 

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Dave, All,

Bizarre reason but I may have found my issue. The problem was only occurring with my IC-7300 and apparently only regularly apparent when I was running 2 (or 3) instances of fldigi; the first instance was running THOR22.

I tried numerous ways to discover a cause (many have been described in this thread) and up until just after I got back from Xenia, I thought I succeeded seeveral times only to be disappointed after letting the 2 instance configuration run longer.

Since my last report:
1. Set the sample rate (Soundcard, Settings, Sample Rate, set to 22050 (value picked by SWAG) because it is half the Native rate. This by itself, did not work but I left it that way (by accident) to do the next step:
2. Ran the FSQ instance first, allowing that instance to start flrig, then start the THOR22 instance that uses the same instance of flrig - this is reverse of what I was doing when the problem was there and it seems to be stable.

To rule out #1, I have reverted to Native sample rate and made sure that the Windows USB Audio CODEC for both the TX and RX of the IC-7300 was also set to 44100 (CD rate not DVD, DVD sample rate is 48000). It seems to have stayed stable.

I will leave things running for a few more days to verify my revised settings work..

Comment: I am not at all sure why this was happening to me when I started the THOR22 instance first... and not when I start with FSQ. I have been working with the AB8FJ FSQ 10.1415 MHz experimental group where FSQ (at +1500 Hz) is being used to "auto-assemble" a net group rather than using a net call up. THOR22 (at +2000 Hz) is currently being used to move data - with flamp. We also have a third chat channel using JS8Call at +1000 Hz. We will likely move to THOR25 at +2000 Hz when the mode is incorporated in a regular non-beta release of fldigi.

73

Jack Spitznagel
KD4IZ
FM19oo
Parkton, MD
On 2/3/2025 8:18 PM, Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ) wrote:

Will do! Thanks Dave.
Jack Spitznagel
KD4IZ
FM19oo
Parkton, MD
On 2/3/2025 7:49 PM, Dave via groups.io wrote:
The next time it happens please start recording the audio on the bad and good instance.? Two minutes of audio should be fine.? Send the audio files to me.

Thanks.

Dave

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:43?PM Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ) via <kd4iz=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Dave,

Thanks for responding on this issue.
I am running 3 instances of fldigi but have seen it with 2 or one in the past. I can't say that other audio apps were not running before.
I was not running a web browser or other audio stream app when I took those screen shots.?
Happened again last evening, this time all 3 instances showed the same effect. Re started the instances today and all has been fine.
Just now went back to make sure the webcam and conferencing apps and such were all unloaded. There should not be anything accessing the audio subsystem other than fldigi.

In response to the suggestion by James, WA9VEZ - no it was definitely not ionospheric multipath. All fldigi instances revert to clear trace immediately on a restart of each.
As a former electronics guy (ETN/crypto) Coastie, I had to deal with multipath and selective fade on fleet broadcast and ship to shore HF circuits all the time. I am familiar with what happens (including the doppler effect on timing) and love having the specrum scope features on the new generations of SDR based rigs. All amateurs should learn to use them properly and interpret thee pattern. IMO there would be much less QRM-ing going on as a result.

Thanks again and 73!

Jack Spitznagel
KD4IZ
FM19oo
Parkton, MD
On 2/3/2025 6:56 AM, Dave via wrote:
I have only seen that once on Windows 11 Jack, but not when I was running multiple instances.? It occurred when the web browser was on line with media interface operating.? How many instances of fldigi and what other applications that might be using the audio stream?

David

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 7:35?PM Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ) via <kd4iz=[email protected]> wrote:
Dave W1HKJ, All,
Running multiple instances of fldigi version 4.2.06.20 on Win 11 very successfully, however when an instance is run for a long period of time I infrequently see some distortion creep in to the WF on one (sometimes 2) instances. When this happens, decode becomes degraded or stops only on the instance where I see the pattern like trace below:



From a concurrent iteration, that same signal looks like this:



Obviously it is not the rig or the OS audio system. It has happened for several versions back. It happens with fldigi using many different modems. Frustrating, because I have never been at the operating position when it does happen. It is always resolved by exiting the iterations that show the problem and restarting them. Everything seems to run fine for quite some time afterward.

1. Has anyone else seen this?

2. Any clue what might be happening?

Thanks and 73,
--
Jack Spitznagel
KD4IZ
FM19oo
Parkton, MD



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