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Hi Paul
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I might be wrong in thinking this, but for
me an 014 loco kit will need to have weight, I would guess that if I had a half
decent computer and the Auto Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm
drawings to make up brass etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D
Cad?castings as well.
?
I think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I
had the space then I would consider building a model in this size, One thing
which I am surprised with and that is?the lack of?narrow gauge loco
and rolling stock?Cad drawings which are available (you watch, some one
will come on here now and tell me where I can find them), but why stop
there??as you are half way to getting an etch of that item
done.
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May be it is just me getting older and
trying to cope with all this new technology.
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Regards
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Colin
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There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale?and I
have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend
and 7mm NGA member. ?BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches
and has never been released. ?If anyone can track ?down its heritage
then the possibility remains!!?
Paul?
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Re: The Stronalacher Saga
There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale?and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member. ?BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches and has never been released. ?If
anyone can track ?down its heritage then the possibility remains!!?
Paul?
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Hi Frank you are correct, if you look at the
backwoods 009 page you will see what he does for 009, sadly he told me that he
drew all the art work by hand and due to a flood where he used to live, he lost
the masters.
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The reason I mention of all of this, is I
have asked him if he could do the 009 range in 014, but he did not appear to be
interested at the time. I am not sure if he got a few enquires would he do
them.?
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Link
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I understand that he has to now look after
his wife and does not get to that many shows any more, if ever,?he did
mention last year that he is willing to sell off parts of the Backwoods range. I
was interested in one part of his range, but sadly?everything went wrong at
the time at my end, so I could not process with it. I still dont want to see
this range disappear, but the truth of the matter is, it just might do so as
Pete is thinking in terms of semi retirement.?
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I know he is still designing new kits as the
website will testify, but I think he is looking more at the American market,
which I dont blame him for.
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Regards
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Colin
Rainsbury??????
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John,
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B
class, which is I think the 0-4-0. There is/was a Darjeeling Garratt in 4mm I
think, I've seen a few round exhibitions though they might be scratch
built.
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"I have a kit for
the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said the body worked
fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can access an
article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine of the
7mm narrow Gauge Association."
I didn't think there was a kit
for the Darjeeling Garrat, only K1 from Backwoods, although I stand to be
corrected. If there is I think I may pass this
time.
John
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John, ? B class, which is I think the 0-4-0. There is/was a Darjeeling Garratt in 4mm I think, I've seen a few round exhibitions though they might be scratch built. ?
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Subject: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga? ? "I have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association."
I didn't think there was a kit for the Darjeeling Garrat, only K1 from Backwoods, although I stand to be corrected. If there is I think I may pass this time.
John
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Thanks Frank for the help.
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I am not a member of the 7mm group yet, the
thing is I do have a large collection of 00n3 stock and kits to build and I am
against selling them all off as it has taken me ages to put the collection
together for a layout I have planned.
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As for a 7mm layout if I should get around
to building such a layout, it will have to be duel gauge, i.e. 14mm narrow
gauge?and 33mm finescale standard gauge.
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It would be?set somewhere in
the?Somerset/Devon area, this is so I can run SR/GWR/SDJR stock and a
mixture of L&BR/FR/WW1 stock on the Narrow gauge.
?
I like the idea of using Minffordd as a
basis for the NG and interchange sidings but then for the SG bit I have always
liked Halwill Junction as that had two SR lines, a GWR Branch plus an MOD
Supplies Depot near by (up to the First
WW).????
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Regards
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Colin
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Colin,
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I
have a few more minutes.
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The
Springside Fowler is pretty crude, you'll need to do a lot to it to make
something decent. I think it takes a Polly or Smokey Joe chassis. Buy the
replacement S J etched version from Branchlines with Romford wheels but no
motor or gear box. Buy those from High Level, 108:1 and fit a flywheel.. You
can play about with the body knowing that it will run like a
dream.
?
I'd
put the same gearbox in Prince. I've regeared Palmerston from the same kit for
a friend, another friend says steam engines cannot run so slow as the steam
condenses in the cylinders!
?
The
Baldwin, if you can get one has a bit of a reputation as a lot of work to get
right. I have three part built with HL gearboxes again.
?
I
have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said
the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can
access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine
of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association. There's another by me, The Peacock, the
Eagle and the Dragon where I mess about with the Branchlines Peacock kit on
their Eagle chassis, that has the HL drive,
.
?
Frank
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From:
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Sent: Monday, 10
October, 2016 11:39
To: O14@...
Subject: [O14]
The Stronalacher Saga
?
?
I am
not sure how many of you guys will have read the articles about this 009
layout from many years ago, but I appear to have more time on my hands than is
good for me right now, so I though I would ask on here if any of the following
locos have an O14 kit available.
I
know some won't, simply because they are based on commercial 009 locos, but
others might, so I though I would ask, the numbers by the way refer to
No 2
Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler 0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar
Refining Co Ltd in 1880.
No 3
Prince?- based?on the FR England engines in the latest format with a
saddle tank.
No 4
Exe?- based on the L & B loco in her later
form.?????????????????????????????????????
EDM will have a kit available at some time?
No 5
Prince Charlie?- a model of one of the G W R built locos for the V o R
??? Didn't some one used to make a white metal body of
this??
No 6
A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1 trench
railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't
Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of
this??
No
7?A model of one of the Darjeeling Himalayan B
Class??????????????????????????????
Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this???
No 8
A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel, inspired by one from the
Ashover.
No 9
An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan
No
10 Freelance diesel loco
Sorry If I have posted this
before, but I cant find the?answers at the
moment.
Also
dose anyone have a current Wrightlines catalogue if one exists?
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Re: The Stronalacher Saga
"I
have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both
said the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a
member, you can access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in
Narrow Lines, magazine of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association."
I didn't think there was a kit for the Darjeeling Garrat, only K1 from Backwoods, although I stand to be corrected. If there is I think I may pass this time.
John
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Colin, ? I have a few more minutes. ? The Springside Fowler is pretty crude, you'll need to do a lot to it to make something decent. I think it takes a Polly or Smokey Joe chassis. Buy the replacement S J etched version from Branchlines with Romford wheels but no motor or gear box. Buy those from High Level, 108:1 and fit a flywheel.. You can play about with the body knowing that it will run like a dream. ? I'd put the same gearbox in Prince. I've regeared Palmerston from the same kit for a friend, another friend says steam engines cannot run so slow as the steam condenses in the cylinders! ? The Baldwin, if you can get one has a bit of a reputation as a lot of work to get right. I have three part built with HL gearboxes again. ? I have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association. There's another by me, The Peacock, the Eagle and the Dragon where I mess about with the Branchlines Peacock kit on their Eagle chassis, that has the HL drive, . ? Frank ?
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Subject: [O14] The Stronalacher Saga? ? I am not sure how many of you guys will have read the articles about this 009 layout from many years ago, but I appear to have more time on my hands than is good for me right now, so I though I would ask on here if any of the following locos have an O14 kit available. I know some won't, simply because they are based on commercial 009 locos, but others might, so I though I would ask, the numbers by the way refer to No 2 Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler 0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar Refining Co Ltd in 1880. No 3 Prince?- based?on the FR England engines in the latest format with a saddle tank. No 4 Exe?- based on the L & B loco in her later form.????????????????????????????????????? EDM will have a kit available at some time? No 5 Prince Charlie?- a model of one of the G W R built locos for the V o R ??? Didn't some one used to make a white metal body of this?? No 6 A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1 trench railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this?? No 7?A model of one of the Darjeeling Himalayan B Class?????????????????????????????? Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this??? No 8 A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel, inspired by one from the Ashover. No 9 An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan No 10 Freelance diesel loco Sorry If I have posted this before, but I cant find the?answers at the moment. Also dose anyone have a current Wrightlines catalogue if one exists?
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Colin, ? Fowler 0-4-0, Springside, pretty crude kit FR small England loco, Mercian VoR try Chivers finelines, may be wrong on this, Baldwin, Wrightlines, S/H if you are lucky Darjeeling, EDM Brass and N/S kit ? Frank ?
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Subject: [O14] The Stronalacher Saga? ? I am not sure how many of you guys will have read the articles about this 009 layout from many years ago, but I appear to have more time on my hands than is good for me right now, so I though I would ask on here if any of the following locos have an O14 kit available. I know some won't, simply because they are based on commercial 009 locos, but others might, so I though I would ask, the numbers by the way refer to No 2 Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler 0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar Refining Co Ltd in 1880. No 3 Prince?- based?on the FR England engines in the latest format with a saddle tank. No 4 Exe?- based on the L & B loco in her later form.????????????????????????????????????? EDM will have a kit available at some time? No 5 Prince Charlie?- a model of one of the G W R built locos for the V o R ??? Didn't some one used to make a white metal body of this?? No 6 A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1 trench railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this?? No 7?A model of one of the Darjeeling Himalayan B Class?????????????????????????????? Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this??? No 8 A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel, inspired by one from the Ashover. No 9 An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan No 10 Freelance diesel loco Sorry If I have posted this before, but I cant find the?answers at the moment. Also dose anyone have a current Wrightlines catalogue if one exists?
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Hi Guys
?
I am not sure how many of you guys will have
read the articles about this 009 layout from many years ago, but I appear to
have more time on my hands than is good for me right now, so I though I would
ask on here if any of the following locos have an O14 kit
available.
?
I know some won't, simply because they are
based on commercial 009 locos, but others might, so I though I would ask, the
numbers by the way refer to
the on Stronalacher.
?
No 1 Freelance 0-6-0T?
No 2 Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler
0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar Refining Co Ltd in 1880.
No 3 Prince?- based?on the FR
England engines in the latest format with a saddle tank.
No 4 Exe?- based on the L & B loco
in her later
form.?????????????????????????????????????
EDM will have a kit available at some time?
No 5 Prince Charlie?- a model of one of
the G W R built locos for the V o R ??? Didn't some one used to
make a white metal body of this??
No 6 A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1
trench
railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't
Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this??
No 7?A model of one of the Darjeeling
Himalayan B
Class??????????????????????????????
Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this???
No 8 A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel,
inspired by one from the Ashover.
No 9 An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the
one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan
No 10 Freelance diesel loco
?
Sorry If I have posted this before, but I
cant find the?answers at the moment.
?
Also dose anyone have a current Wrightlines
catalogue if one exists?
?
Regards
?
Colin Rainsbury?
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Re: Wrightlines Simplex and DeWinton
Well, that certainly sounds an interesting proposition, I’d be very
interested. Please express my interest next time you chat with Davis. I’m hoping
to get it built with functioning valve gear – so it might be a more long-term
project.
?
I was talking to one of my loco builders yesterday. He asked me if my
Simplex (peaked roof – W271) should be built on the Keykits B102 Motor Bogie? I
said I’d look into it. Are the B102s the thing to run under these Simplexes? I
have another – the Turtle model W225. Luckily I have a spare B102, problem
solved maybe...
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Thanks everyone for the help and advice.
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Tim
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DeWinton
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?
I had a brief chat with David of KB
Scale at last ExpoNG about using his Simplex chassis for the De Winton.?
David was happy to make modifications and possibly a larger motor/flywheel could
be fitted.
?
I have (literally) only just
acquired the De Winton so detailed planning has yet to commence.? I will
keep you posted.
?
Cheers
?
David
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Hi Tim,
?
What is the kit number on the
Simplex?? KB Scale do a chassi that fits one of the Wrightline kits.?
They not in stock at present due to issues with motor supply as Mashima are no
longer producing motors.? Wrightlines themselves I think produce a chassi
also.
?
James
?
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DeWinton
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Hi everyone,
?
I’m got a Wrightlines DeWinton Vertical
Boiler kit and a Wrightlines open Simplex kit that I’d like to build. I’m
wondering what my options are for power unit? Obviously it needs to be 14mm
gauge. If anyone has any advice or experience I’d be very grateful.
?
Thanks in advance, Tim
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Re: Backwoods - K1 Garratt
Richard,
About 3 or 4 years ago at the 7mm Narrow Gauge Association's Convention in Burton there was a gaggle of Garratts on display, mostly clustered around John C?and my track-making demo. Quite the love-in, and probably why John didn't manage to do any more track-building
that day than bending the end of a bit of rail
Cheers,
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Hi Gary, I'll keep you informed of my progress, and pitfalls, hopefully few. I must admit I've only ever seen one running on a layout. John's article is the only well documented and account of the K1 build, although not built as a Backwoods ?Kit intended,
a true masterpiece and something to be inspired by. I've only seen articles on 0 gauge Vivian Garratt's and a NGG16 no doubt someone will correct me. Are you intending to dip your toe in the garratt pond in the near future? Many thanks for your input and encouragement
Kind Regards
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Hi Gary, I'll keep you informed of my progress, and pitfalls, hopefully few. I must admit I've only ever seen one running on a layout. John's article is the only well documented and account of the K1 build, although not built as a Backwoods ?Kit intended, a true masterpiece and something to be inspired by. I've only seen articles on 0 gauge Vivian Garratt's and a NGG16 no doubt someone will correct me. Are you intending to dip your toe in the garratt pond in the near future? Many thanks for your input and encouragement
Kind Regards
Richard
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Re: Wrightlines Simplex and DeWinton
I had a brief chat with David of KB Scale at last ExpoNG about using his Simplex chassis for the De Winton.? David was happy to make modifications and possibly a larger motor/flywheel could be fitted.
I have (literally) only just acquired the De Winton so detailed planning has yet to commence.? I will keep you posted.
Cheers
David
From: "'jameshockley_38@...' jameshockley_38@... [O14]"
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Hi Tim,
What is the kit number on the Simplex? ?KB Scale do a chassi that fits one of the Wrightline kits. ?They not in stock at present due to issues with motor supply as Mashima are no longer producing motors. ?Wrightlines themselves I think produce a chassi
also.
James?
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Subject: [O14] Wrightlines Simplex and DeWinton
?
Hi everyone,
?
I’m got a Wrightlines DeWinton Vertical Boiler kit and a Wrightlines open Simplex kit that I’d like to build. I’m wondering what my options are for power unit? Obviously it needs to be 14mm gauge. If anyone has any advice or experience I’d be very grateful.
?
Thanks in advance, Tim
?
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Re: Backwoods - K1 Garratt
". I bought this garratt a few years ago at York MR Exhibition,?a project that had been started but badly assembled."
I got one a similar way on eBay (doing anything with it is still some ways off, I might add ...).
It seems a lot never got built or at least never got finished.
Mind you my squirrel cupboard also has one on those rare (only 50 made) L & B kits that was recently mentioned here or in one of the mags!
Good luck with completing your build, let us know of any other issues you run into.
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Hi John, Many thanks for info, . I must admit I'd thought it must have been something easy like that but was unsure whether there was another way I hadn't?thought of. I bought this garratt a few years ago at York MR Exhibition,?a project that had been
started but badly assembled. I stripped it all down and started again. boiler and cab almost complete. so onto the chassis. this eventually will have DCC sound??The valvegear will be a separate sub assembly. I'll keep you updated on my progress, hopefully
finished sometime next?year
Many thanks for your help
Kind Regards
Richard
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Hi Tim,
What is the kit number on the Simplex? ?KB Scale do a chassi that fits one of the Wrightline kits. ?They not in stock at present due to issues with motor supply as Mashima are no longer producing motors. ?Wrightlines themselves I think produce a chassi
also.
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?
Hi everyone,
?
I’m got a Wrightlines DeWinton Vertical Boiler kit and a Wrightlines open Simplex kit that I’d like to build. I’m wondering what my options are for power unit? Obviously it needs to be 14mm gauge. If anyone has any advice or experience I’d be very grateful.
?
Thanks in advance, Tim
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Wrightlines Simplex and DeWinton
Hi everyone,
?
I’m got a Wrightlines DeWinton Vertical Boiler kit and a Wrightlines open
Simplex kit that I’d like to build. I’m wondering what my options are for power
unit? Obviously it needs to be 14mm gauge. If anyone has any advice or
experience I’d be very grateful.
?
Thanks in advance, Tim
?
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Hi John, Many thanks for info, . I must admit I'd thought it must have been something easy like that but was unsure whether there was another way I hadn't?thought of. I bought this garratt a few years ago at York MR Exhibition,?a project that had been started but badly assembled. I stripped it all down and started again. boiler and cab almost complete. so onto the chassis. this eventually will have DCC sound??The valvegear will be a separate sub assembly. I'll keep you updated on my progress, hopefully finished sometime next?year Many thanks for your help
Kind Regards Richard
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Hi Richard,
I'm not sure if my methods should be followed too closely - I questioned my sanity quite a few times in the 4 1/2 years it took me!
To answer your question yes the end wheelsets were fixed within the hornblocks using IIRC a piece of wire. The other axle was compensated although this was probably overkill, although I do have significant superelevation through tight reverse curves.
I have quite a few photos in my flickr album at:
Regards
John
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