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Operations With Staging Yard
I am transitioning from car card/waybill car forwarding to JMRI generated switchlist. The standard gauge portion of my layout is a switching layout in which trains enter from staging heading to a single destination, drop their cars, pick up cars from either a west bound or east bound departure track, and return to the staging track from which they came. There are four trains currently in staging. The car roster has been built and locations generated and entered on the roster. I have been trying to build the trains in staging with no luck. The build report gives the reason for failure as ¡°Note that the program requires an empty staging track for each train! All staging tracks are occupied, reserved, or cannot service the train.¡± For each staging track I have specified the train designation for that track, car type serviced by the track, and verified that the car roster current locations match with the car type served. Thank you for your assistance.
Phil
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Hi Dave,? Just to follow up, i have tried to follow the same, delete everything let JMRI auto allocate signal paths / sections & also doing it manually, etc etc but it seems to get stuck on the same bits
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0006(UM 1:1), 1 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0007(UM 5), 2 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0008(UM 1:3), 2 anchor point signal heads missing [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0005(UM 1:2), 1 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ERROR - Unexpected error in getDirectionForBlocks when working with LevelCrossing in Section IY:AUTO:0006 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2018-07-25 18:24:22,420 jmri.Section? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - Section - IY:AUTO:0006(UM 1:1), 1 anchor point signal heads missing, 2 turnouts missing signals [AWT-EventQueue-0]
Would it be possible to upload the panel you created so i can do a compare contrast?
Interestingly when i was working on it last night the top right section was showing as assigned to a block, it was only when i re-opened the file today did it show as un-assigned.
Many thanks
Tim
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Re: Consist Throttle Problems with F Functions
I have used both advanced and command station consisting in the JMRI consist manager. I'm not sure about the hard consist method. I did some trouble shooting with Steve Todd. The native JMRI throttle is not working either so I brought the question here.
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Newbie Alastair's Decoder Pro programming problem (must be an easy fix I hope)
Hi All,
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I am a relatively inexperienced Decoder Pro user.
And I have a challenge that I would like to overcome.? I am sure there must be a simple fix for this but I cannot find it.? About 6 months ago (the last time I used the system) everything was working correctly but now it is not.? I have not changed anything physically or in DecoderPro as far as I can tell.
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The situation is as follows:
I am using Windows 10.
I am using a Lenz System ¨C LZV100 with latest 3.6 version soft/firm ware and an LI101F interface.? I am using Decoder Pro v4.12.
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I believe I have all my preferences set correctly :-
Connections (and I have verified with Device Manager that the LI101H is on COM3):
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Defaults:
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All other preferences (after discussion with a friend who is a bit of a Decoder pro guru - but unfortunately he could not solve my problem and suggested I place a post on this group) appear to be correct.
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I can control locomotives with the Decoder Pro throttle.
I can add a new loco on my programming track.? As I am going through the adding process I see all the variables, tabs, etc. and alter them if I wish.? I can save the file to the roster.? I can check that the roster file is correct by viewing it in WordPad.
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The problem is as follows:
When I select a recently (or previously) added loco, see image in?/g/jmriusers/album?id=64949??
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And then press ¡°Program¡± nothing happens.
Nothing happens whether I am in ¡°Programming Track¡±, Programming on Main¡± or ¡°Edit Only¡±.
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So I can add locos but after I save them to the roster I cannot program them any further.
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Please can someone help me sort this ?
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Thank you very much for any help give.
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Cheers,
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Alastair
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Re: Engine Driver Suggestion
After all that, I had to look up T.L.A., which was a bit of a D.'O.H.
Wouter
On 25 July 2018 at 15:43, G Sinos <gsinos@...> wrote: Just a note ?- it may be helpful to go to the web site and watch the videos, and download the manual. The PT was developed as open source. There is a link to github where all of the code and pertinent info is freely available. The developers have stated they encourage others to build on their work.
gs
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Hi
If you are going to use the autoallocate feature of dispatcher then the use of
auto generated sections and transits can lead to failure in any situation
involving single track two way running, safe sections, crossings, slips etc. It
will work reliably only if you run one auto allocated train at a time. It will
work if you have no complex junctions or crossings on the route.
This is because most of the auto allocate conflict detection is predicated on a
block only being in one section, that is there is only one section for a given
section of track which is reused in transits regardless of direction or
destination. Generation of auto allocated section creates sections,
unnecessarily, in both directions, or overlaps sections. Because it creates
sections from mast to mast it inevitably creates sections that start with as
switch followed by a block. This will lock the switch until that block attached
is cleared, this sometimes leads to a deadlock when 2 trains meet on a single
track line at a passing siding.
Steve G.
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From: Dave Sand <ds@...>
Date: July 25, 2018 at 10:11 AM
Tim,
SML is signal mast logic.
I always use automatic discovery. I then test using simulated occupancy
sensors and manual turnout settings to verify that the logic is correct. The
most likely failures are caused by double cross-overs.
On your layout, I deleted the existing transit, sections and SML. I also used
the Block table "Paths >> Delete Paths¡" option. I then saved the panel xml
file, stopped and re-started PanelPro. After a lot of changes, the block
routing can get out of whack. This creates a new set of block routes, which
is the basis for SML.
I then used the signal mast logic table to generate the signal mast logic and
the sections. The section generation also creates the direction sensors for
each section.
After those steps were done, I created a transit, a train and ran it around
the layout using occupancy sensor buttons on the panel.
Dave Sand
On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:37 AM, timbancroft@... wrote:
Hi Dave,
Thanks for this, to be honest i thought i had gone through that process of
getting each section right but its a bit of a steep learning curve, been at
this for all of a week now!
I will look at the block assignment when i get back home, when you talk
about the SML (assume this is signal mas logic) is the best way to let JRMI
auto generate all of the logic or is human intervention better?
Many thanks for your time
Tim
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Hi!
Another question.
Did you consist them in JMRI? The "Hard consist" method?
That is what I have been using.
There may be an issue between JMRI & Engine Driver.
I can't test that right now, my test bed is in for repair.
You might try looking here:?
You can contact Steve there also.
Jay
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Re: Engine Driver Suggestion
Just a note ?- it may be helpful to go to the protothrottle.com web site and watch the videos, and download the manual. The PT was developed as open source. There is a link to github where all of the code and pertinent info is freely available. The developers have stated they encourage others to build on their work.
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Tim,
SML is signal mast logic.
I always use automatic discovery. I then test using simulated occupancy sensors and manual turnout settings to verify that the logic is correct. The most likely failures are caused by double cross-overs.
On your layout, I deleted the existing transit, sections and SML. I also used the Block table "Paths >> Delete Paths¡" option. I then saved the panel xml file, stopped and re-started PanelPro. After a lot of changes, the block routing can get out of whack. This creates a new set of block routes, which is the basis for SML.
I then used the signal mast logic table to generate the signal mast logic and the sections. The section generation also creates the direction sensors for each section.
After those steps were done, I created a transit, a train and ran it around the layout using occupancy sensor buttons on the panel.
Dave Sand
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On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:37 AM, timbancroft@... wrote:
Hi Dave,
Thanks for this, to be honest i thought i had gone through that process of getting each section right but its a bit of a steep learning curve, been at this for all of a week now!
I will look at the block assignment when i get back home, when you talk about the SML (assume this is signal mas logic) is the best way to let JRMI auto generate all of the logic or is human intervention better?
Many thanks for your time
Tim
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Re: Engine Driver Suggestion
The thread has been informative and I appreciate folks responding back to me.?? A couple of thoughts:
1)? I concur, there is no need for a decoder specific version of the app;? any remapping of function keys can happen at the decoder level which is pretty trivial if one uses JMRI DecoderPro
2)? PT does in fact stand for ProttleThrottle.?? My bad for assuming everyone was thinking in the same context as me (a frequent issue with me according to my spouse and my staff at work!).
3)? I would be very willing to be a tester.
4)? Yes this idea would only work with decoders that have implemented some type of brake functionality.
5)? Concur with Dave that the manufacturers have pretty much been left to themselves to innovate and bring out new features.?? The lack of leadership from the industry standard setting committees has been dreadfully obvious.?? This is not meant to start a rant on a certain organization, which I belong to but you have to call a spade a spade at times.??? I will accept the confusion and inefficiencies of the current situation to get the innovation.
Again, you can use Engine Driver and get the same results as ProtoThrottle with some practice, my suggestion was solely about re-configuring some of the UI widgets to mimic more closely the look and feel of the physical PT device.?? I believe ED to be an outstanding app, fortunately I have an IT background and I am naturally drawn to the technology, some of the other operators on my layout want nothing to do with ED when operating and want a Digitrax Throttle in their hand.?? To each their own, but I cannot afford to buy (nor inclined to do so if I could) enough throttles for ops sessions.????
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Re: "OutOfMemoryError" while trying to load PanelPro file - Help!
I've uploaded Launcher Log and another file with all my iMac system info.
My current panel size is 1.3 MB and growing. Spuds, I've never heard of Garage Collector.
This is a post from David Parks made to a topic i created a couple of months ago about PanelPro quiting unexpectedly. I was creating and editing a lot of Logix statements at the time. Yesterday, I was creating and editing a lot of Transit Section Actions in Dispatcher. David's observation made the most sense to me of everything else suggested back then. ?Is there a connection?
"I have seen a similar problem of unexpected JAVA crash with? 4.11.7 and most of the 4.11.X versions.? The fleeting message references insufficient memory and occurs after a period of heavy editing.? The stack usually references that a task cannot be created because of a lack of available memory.? The JAVA memory use after the panel file is loaded, but before edits is about 1G. ?This crash has occurred on more than one computer with the same Windows 10 and JAVA versions but various JMRI 4.11.X versions.? Java memory use begins to creep up with edits so we attribute it to a likely ¡°memory leak¡±.? I have not yet performed the necessary tests to correlate the amount of memory increase with the nature of the edits performed."
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David Parks
Los Altos, CA
Yesterday, after about an hour working with another app, I was able to load my panel file after which there were no more problems. I didn't need to reload the panel though. ?This morning on my first attempt the panel wouldn't load. Thanks for helping, Nick
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Re: rs232 - usb adapter for pi
Group:
I just went through an assortment of USB/232... All worked with the Pi but only the generic FTDI based one was picked up by the auto detect feature in Steve's RPi-JMRI distro.
Generic, Aten Pricom, Keyspan 19HS... Connected to NCE PH-Pro.
Note and possibly of importance no other adapter connected.
And just what is flaky and what command station? What baud rate for the C/MRI connection?
Jim Albanowski
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Re: "OutOfMemoryError" while trying to load PanelPro file - Help!
Java is hitting it's (self imposed) memory limits. I'm wondering how big is your panels, on disk?? Is it really supposed to be using internal, ie not-physical switches?? Why the Garage Collection is running out of memory is puzzling and a bit ironic.
I'm unsure how to increase the max meory jaca can use on a Mac, unfortunately
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 10:55 Nick Brownsberger < nbrownsbe@...> wrote: I can't load my panel file.? When I ?choose the panel file to load nothing more happens, PanelPro is locked up and I have to force quit the application. Problem began this morning.? Have been working in PanelPro for the last several weeks with no problems. Sometimes I get this message:?
2018-07-24 12:42:47,299 configurexml.ErrorHandler ? ? ? ? ? ? ERROR - Unexpected error (Throwable) while in load(/Users/nickbrownsberger/Documents/TRAINS/My_JMRI_Railroad/Layout%20Panel%20v397%20speeds.xml) in adaptor of type jmri.jmrix.internal.configurexml.InternalTurnoutManagerXml Exception: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded
The memory log and my latest Panel file will shortly be in ProblemsBeingWorkedOn>Nick Brownsberger.
PanelPro version 4.12+Rb6a9bb1 starts under Java 1.8.0_171 on Mac OS X x86_64 v10.11.6
I've tried rebooting my IMac, going back to JMRI version 4.11.8 from 4.12, loading panel files I saved from two weeks ago that don't have any of my recent changes and additions, all to no avail.
Need some help! Please.
Nick
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Re: WiThrottle and JMRI Questions
You should always dispatch a loco, stealing is bad. :)
Is your phone connected to the same wifi Jmri is, and as such using withrottle, or on the lnwi's private wifi, and as such talking to it?
I suggest opening up (under loconet) the slot monitor, and clearing the slots with the misbehaving engine numbers.
Dear Spuds,
Thanks for your reply.
I Upgraded to JMRI 4.12 which solved the iso-track programming
issue.
Still having the WiThrottle issue. I have a query into JMRI tech
Support.
The WiThrottle will not allow me to change addresses. Once I've
programmed an address, in this case 6035, when I try to enter the
address a second time I get the prompt: "Loco 6035(L) In-Use Would
you like to acquire this address?" When I click the YES button
nothing happens, even with repeated pressing. When I click the NO
button the window disappears, but the cycle repeats and remains NOT
SET. I tried to delete the Roster addresses, It's like the
WiThrottle gets "stuck."I also get the prompt "Unable to load JMRI
WebServer page."
This issue is across three different devices, one iPad and 2 iPhone,
get the same prompt and the same non-function.
This issue only occurs with certain 4 digit numbers. Below is a
comparison "Chart."
Loco Address??? Digitrax Throttle??? JMRI Throttle (computer)???
WiThrottle
6005??? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK
6035??? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ? NO
6051 ?? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK
7614??? ??? ??? ??? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ? NO
3??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? OK??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? OK
See images below:
An additional issue is I can't get JMRI ProgramPro Throttle (on my
computer) to run locomotives.
The Digitrax throttle runs everything fine.?
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Any ideas?
THANKS in advance for the help.
Robert Diepenbrock
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On 7/24/18 11:05 AM, Spuds McCat wrote:
4.10 has some loconet slot 'issues', upgrade to
4.12 which came out last week.?
How is the computer/Jmri connected to the 240?
The LW?I is independant from JMRI, a phone
connected to it wont show in JMRI
Dear JMRI
Users,
I just joined the group and this is my first post. To all you
WiThrottle-JMRI-Mac "gurus,"
I recently converted my N Scale layout from DC to DCC. I
installed a Digitrax DSC240 Advance Command Station with
Digitrax LNWI Loconet Wifi Interface.
I downloaded JMRI Panel Pro and Decoder Pro 4.10 Software and
installed it on my MacBook Pro running OSX 10.10.2 Yosemite
I purchased, downloaded and installed WiThrottle on my iPad.
The Digitrax DSC240 Advance Command Station is connected to an
isolated programming track per the manual. The WiThrottle is
connected via the Digitrax LNWI Loconet Wifi Interface.
I'm having two issues:
1. I cannot program any locomotives on the isolated
programming track.
The JMRI Decoder Pro software is giving me the
prompt: "Programmer error. Programmer busy (302)" (See JPEG
image below)
The WiThrottle JMRI webpage states:
302 ¡ª programmer busyThe command station has reported that
it's busy doing something else, and can't do any programming
right now.This usually means that some other part of the DCC
system is doing a programming operation, e.g. a hand-held
throttle.Some DCC systems can't do ops-mode programming
(programming on the main) while also using the service mode
programming track, in which case they'll return this error
message.
I'm not doing any programming anywhere else on the
layout.______________________
2. The WiThrottle will not allow me to change addresses.After
entering address the address is displayed in "Recents." Once
I've programmed an address, in this case 6035, when I try to
enter the address a second time I get the prompt: "Loco
6035(L) In-Use Would you like to acquire this address?" When I
click the YES button nothing happens, even with repeated
pressing. When I click the NO button the window disappears,
but the cycle repeats and remains NOT SET. I tried to delete
the Roster addresses, It's like the WiThrottle gets "stuck."I
also get the prompt "Unable to load JMRI WebServer page." It
appears that the WiThrottle is not "seeing" the the server"
(my MacBook Pro).See JPEG graphic below.
The PanelPro appears to "see" the WiThrottle in the
"Advertising WiThrottle" window, but no device is showing the
the Device Name window. The DecoderPro doesn't "see" the
WiThrottle in the "Advertising WiThrottle" window, and no
device is showing the the Device Name window. See JPEG
graphics in photo section under WiThrottle and JMRI Questions.
I suspect these issues may be connected and may have to do
with the drivers.
PLEASE ADVISE,Regards,Robert Diepenbrock
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for this, to be honest i thought i had gone through that process of getting each section right but its a bit of a steep learning curve, been at this for all of a week now!
I will look at the block assignment when i get back home, when you talk about the SML (assume this is signal mas logic) is the best way to let JRMI auto generate all of the logic or is human intervention better?
Many thanks for your time
Tim
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I did on the decoders. Am I missing another tab? I would think they would work via the JMRI throttle.? The strange thing is the functions work with the protothrottle (via wi throttle)?
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Re: Upgrading JMRI from 4.10 to 4.11.3 caused major issue
Roger,?
Yes it was.? I removed the other users and it loaded properly.? Thank you for your help with this issue.
Jonathan
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Re: Engine Driver Suggestion
OK, OK,....PT here was indeed Protothrottle, I thought that I had seen the TLA used earlier in the thread but if not, my apologies
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Re: Engine Driver Suggestion
Obviously, I am, and willing and able to help on testing as well
Stefan
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Re: Operations: Flipping E/L at end of train, without using staging yard
Dan, Thanks for the quick reply, it makes a lot of sense. I will play around with your suggestion, see how it works for me. As ever you do an awesome job answering the questions here
Stefan
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Alastair
Bob Morningstar
Jon Esposito