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Locked Re: Feedback to Panel for NCE throttle commands

 

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Right, that was the link that I went to, but it just wasn¡¯t all sinking in. ?Your explanations were very helpful.

Thomas Cain
Indianapolis, IN
atsf93@...
See my?NEW website?and layout?at: ?
Modeling the Eastern Illinois?Santa Fe from the Prototype

On Sep 17, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Dave Heap <dgheap@...> wrote:

Thomas,

And, where were the instructions on this function in the JMRI website? ?If I can find my way there, maybe I¡¯ll discover some other cool features.

The only ones I know of are at the link I initially gave you:
<>

Dave in Australia
Locked Re: New Hornby TTS Decoder

 

There is a general definition already in JMRI for the Hornby TTS decoder. I used it to alter settings on my TTS fitted Hornby P2. There is no need for specific definition for the Britannia, the only difference will be the sound files, the cv settings should be common across all TTS.
Locked Re: VSD CLASS 64 COASTING WEIRDNESS

 

Klaus,

I got JMRI throttle coasting to work.? Page down and left mouse/page down did not work.? BUT, I stumbled on right mouse, saw properties and a check box for
"track slider in real time".? It works and makes some sort of sense.? One problem is that I have to access this property every time I open a throttle.

My decoder is a lokpilot nano that has a functioning "shunt speed" however no success with VSD.? COAST, however works fine.
Here are my triggers:
<trigger name="HALF_SPEED" type="THROTTLE">
<event-name>F8</event-name>
<target-name>ENGINE</target-name>
<action>NOTHING</action>
? ? ? </trigger>
? ? ? <trigger name="COAST" type="THROTTLE">
<event-name>F9</event-name>
<target-name>ENGINE</target-name>
<action>NOTHING</action>
? ? ? </trigger>
and variations of the trigger name -? "ENGINE_HALF_SPEED", "ENGINE_HALFSPEED" and "HALFSPEED" alone

For the Engine Driver Wi-throttle things are better.? It no longer locks up, function F9 (COAST) works and with a reasonable sliding decrease in throttle I can get
it to coast.? It's a little flaky.? Slider action has to be just so to make it coast - too slow and just a normal slow down, too fast and skipping.? No lockup though.??
Think I'll work on your suggestion to?increase the value <decel-trigger-rpms>8</decel-trigger-rpms>.

Here's my console log file (doesn't seem to have any throttle info).? My console info does not look like yours on

2019-09-17 17:56:05,283 util.Log4JUtil? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - * JMRI log ** [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:05,361 util.Log4JUtil? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - This log is appended to file: C:\Users\conrad\JMRI\log\messages.log [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:05,361 util.Log4JUtil? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - This log is stored in file: C:\Users\conrad\JMRI\log\session.log [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:05,376 apps.Apps? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - PanelPro version 4.16+R6f9aced starts under Java 1.8.0_221 on Windows 10 x86 v10.0 at Tue Sep 17 17:56:05 EDT 2019 [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:07,079 apps.Apps? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Starting with profile My_JMRI_Railroad.3f132008 [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:07,517 node.NodeIdentity? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Using jmri-osZcIaSGWhOiaaabMr20Sa-3f132008 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3f132008 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-17 17:56:07,876 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO? - Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:08,595 pr3.PR3Adapter? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - PR3 adapter set hardware flow control, mode=2 RTSCTS_OUT=2 RTSCTS_IN=1 [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:08,611 locobuffer.LocoBufferAdapter? ? ? ? ? INFO? - COM4 port opened at 57600 baud with DTR: true RTS: true DSR: false CTS: false? CD: false [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:08,689 loconet.LnPacketizer? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - lnPacketizer Started [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:12,658 util.FileUtilSupport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:12,674 util.FileUtilSupport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - File path preference: is C:\Users\conrad\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad\ [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:12,689 util.FileUtilSupport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - File path profile: is C:\Users\conrad\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad\ [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:12,689 util.FileUtilSupport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - File path settings: is C:\Users\conrad\JMRI\ [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:12,689 util.FileUtilSupport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - File path home: is C:\Users\conrad\ [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:12,689 util.FileUtilSupport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - File path scripts: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\ [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:13,939 PanelPro.PanelPro? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Main initialization done [main]
2019-09-17 17:56:16,799 vsdecoder.VSDecoderPreferences? ? ? ? INFO? - Did not find VSDecoder preferences file.? This is normal if you haven't save the preferences before [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-17 17:56:16,960 audio.JoalAudioFactory? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? INFO? - Initialised JOAL using OpenAL: vendor - OpenAL Community version - 1.1 ALSOFT 1.15.1 [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-17 17:56:19,387 withrottle.FacelessServer? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Published ZeroConf service for 'my jmri railroad._withrottle._tcp.local.' on fe80:0:0:0:60ca:5e0e:ea89:ae2%eth4:12090 [WiThrottleServer]
2019-09-17 17:56:21,977 withrottle.FacelessServer? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Published ZeroConf service for 'my jmri railroad._withrottle._tcp.local.' on 192.168.1.14:12090 [WiThrottleServer]
2019-09-17 17:56:21,977 withrottle.FacelessServer? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Creating new WiThrottle DeviceServer(socket) on port 12090, waiting for incoming connection... [WiThrottleServer]
2019-09-17 17:56:51,275 loconet.LnThrottleManager? ? ? ? ? ? ?WARN? - slot 1 address 5514 is already in-use. [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-09-17 17:56:51,306 loconet.LnPacketizer? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? WARN? - LocoNet message with opCode: ef ended early. Expected length: 14 seen length: 4 unexpected byte: b4 [LocoNet receive handler]
2019-09-17 18:07:31,569 withrottle.FacelessServer? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Creating new WiThrottle DeviceServer(socket) on port 12090, waiting for incoming connection... [WiThrottleServer]
2019-09-17 18:07:31,569 withrottle.DeviceServer? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?INFO? - Received Name: Engine Driver 2cfd [DeviceServer-1]

Again, thank you for all your help.

Conrad
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Locked Re: Feedback to Panel for NCE throttle commands

 

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Thomas,

On 18 Sep 2019, at 5:00 AM, Tom Cain <atsf93@...> wrote:

I do have a couple of questions. ?Am I giving up anything by changing from Direct to Monitoring in the Mode setting on the Turnout table?

No.

However, any monitoring system increases traffic between JMRI and your Command Station.

An alternative, the use of on-turnout sensors and AIUs not only increases cost, wiring complexity and?traffic between JMRI and the command station but also increases NCE cab bus traffic.


And, where were the instructions on this function in the JMRI website? ?If I can find my way there, maybe I¡¯ll discover some other cool features.

The only ones I know of are at the link I initially gave you:
<>

Dave in Australia
Locked Re: VSD CLASS 64 COASTING WEIRDNESS

 

Am 17.09.2019 um 18:32 schrieb conrad:
Strange coasting behavior.? Boy, this took a while to decipher.
With the JMRI throttle no coasting regardless on slider action.? Nada, nil, zip!
1) Have you tried the keyboard key "Page Down" twice?

2) If the throttle decreases to much, try a left-mouse-click beneath the slider handle followed by a "Page Down"

3) Try to increase the value <decel-trigger-rpms>8</decel-trigger-rpms> in your config.xml. The value defines how many rpms within 0.5 seconds shall trigger the coasting action.

4) (1) - (3) deals with auto-coasting. Besides there is also key-coasting, i.e. coasting can be switched on or off with a throttle key. See (sroll down to section "More throttle key functions ... Coast-Key).


With Digitrax DT400R throttle coasting works with semi-rapid decrease in throttle, including brake_short.wav when coasting to a stop (step 0).? However, if not going to step zero, coasting sounds remain on until a one step increase in throttle (say 12 to 13).? Decreasing (say 12 to 11 or any amount) has no effect.? Always need a one step increase to get back to engine sounds.? When in coasting "state"? the coasting sounds are responding to decreases in throttle.? I assume this to be related to driver rpms.? When step 3 is reached loco goes to idle_sound.wav.? NOTE: Digitrax "steps" are displayed throttle numbers (1 to 100).
Right.


With Engine Driver Wi-throttle maybe a coast once in a while but usually jumps and/or? "notch" lock-ups, or a complete engine silence at any throttle setting (just idle sound).? When this happens (silence), other functions work but no reset with engine start/stop.? Only way to reset is to delete loco then, with decoder manager >> add decoder then select a profile? >> Class64.
It looks like a sound crash in VSD. Is this crash easy to generate and repeatable and only related to auto-coasting?


Takeaway - Coasting is a very nice VSD?sound effect for steam locos.? This implementation sounds great but I think it needs to be understood that it doesn't have deceleration built in.? One has to manually decrease the throttle to zero to come to a complete stop.? Or give a slight uptick in the throttle to keep on going at a lower speed.
There is no build in deceleration on coasting, right. VSD is listening to a throttle and has no control over it, for example, to do speed-setting. This might be a limitation, but decreasing to speed zero while coasting is doable. See


Are there any solutions for the JMRI and Wi-Throttle problems?
Unfortunately I don't have the hardware to test it. So it would be very helpful to have a console log file, if this is possible at all.


Klaus
Locked Re: Feedback to Panel for NCE throttle commands

 

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Dave,

That worked! ?Thanks, that additional functionality is so very much appreciated. ?I do not allow operators to use Hammerhead throttles in Op Sessions for the reason that I could not see their switching activity on the screen, but my support crew often used controllers for turnouts in staging and I had to rely on their memory and cooperation in using their controllers. ?Now they can do some of their work and I or the dispatcher will be able to see track alignments. ?This is so cool!

I do have a couple of questions. ?Am I giving up anything by changing from Direct to Monitoring in the Mode setting on the Turnout table?

And, where were the instructions on this function in the JMRI website? ?If I can find my way there, maybe I¡¯ll discover some other cool features.

Thanks again for your help with this and your patience in getting me there.

Thomas Cain
Indianapolis, IN
Modeling the Eastern Illinois Santa Fe from the Prototype
See my?NEW?website and layout at: ?
Locked Re: TSU-PNP GE will not communicate with SPROG3

 

I'm guessing I have a bad decoder, as the single CV reset did not work. Thanks for the help!?
Locked Re: New Hornby TTS Decoder

 

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Hi Marc,

I have the paper copy that came with the decoder, is that any good? If so I can scan it.

Eve

On 17 Sep 2019, at 17:03, forfoum@... wrote:

Trying to find any details regarding R7143 TTS decoder (class 7MT, Britannia) on the Hornby web site turns up nothing re CV listing.?

Without? this data, the author can not write up or add this decoder to the definitions.

Brian Jackson has been adding the Hornby decoders to the definiton since 2018 but I can not find a post from him in this forum.

Marc

Locked Re: MRC Prodigy Advance Error

[email protected]
 

Bob,

I will for sure let you know, hopefully by the end of the week, as I am on a few days stretch for work.

Thank you again for all the help.

Ken
Locked VSD CLASS 64 COASTING WEIRDNESS

 

Strange coasting behavior.? Boy, this took a while to decipher.

With the JMRI throttle no coasting regardless on slider action.? Nada, nil, zip!

With Digitrax DT400R throttle coasting works with semi-rapid decrease in throttle, including brake_short.wav when coasting to a stop (step 0).? However, if not going to step zero, coasting sounds remain on until a one step increase in throttle (say 12 to 13).? Decreasing (say 12 to 11 or any amount) has no effect.? Always need a one step increase to get back to engine sounds.? When in coasting "state"? the coasting sounds are responding to decreases in throttle.? I assume this to be related to driver rpms.? When step 3 is reached loco goes to idle_sound.wav.? NOTE: Digitrax "steps" are displayed throttle numbers (1 to 100).

With Engine Driver Wi-throttle maybe a coast once in a while but usually jumps and/or? "notch" lock-ups, or a complete engine silence at any throttle setting (just idle sound).? When this happens (silence), other functions work but no reset with engine start/stop.? Only way to reset is to delete loco then, with decoder manager >> add decoder then select a profile? >> Class64.

Takeaway - Coasting is a very nice VSD?sound effect for steam locos.? This implementation sounds great but I think it needs to be understood that it doesn't have deceleration built in.? One has to manually decrease the throttle to zero to come to a complete stop.? Or give a slight uptick in the throttle to keep on going at a lower speed.

?Are there any solutions for the JMRI and Wi-Throttle problems?

Conrad
Locked Re: Layout editor - connecting slips to turnouts #layouteditor

 

Peter,

Select "Options >> Show Help Bar in Edit Mode" from the Layout Editor menu. ?This will show the key and mouse actions based on your operating system.

Dave Sand



On Sep 17, 2019, at 2:21 AM, peter.s.drury via Groups.Io <peter.s.drury@...> wrote:

Thank you for your reply Dave. I cannot find a way of selecting and dragging the end points. In the Help files it talks about using a META key but I have?tried several keys CTRL ALT Fn but these do not seem to help.
Best wishes
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Sand
Sent: 17 September 2019 07:20
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Layout editor - connecting slips to turnouts

Peter,

The length and angle of turnout, slip, and level crossing legs can be changed by dragging the end points.

For you scenario I place the turnout and the slip on the panel and connect the related end points with the required track segment. ?I then drag the?turnout diverging leg and the related slip leg until they look good. ?I normally draw track plans with 45? angles on everything so I use the grid to position?the objects and their end points.

Dave Sand



On Sep 17, 2019, at 12:58 AM, peter.s.drury via Groups.Io <peter.s.drury@...> wrote:

I am having great difficulty in connecting the above objects. How do I get the alignment of the turnout diverging route to match that of the slip? The?angles of the diverging lines wrt their through routes is different.
Locked New Hornby TTS Decoder

 

Hi,

I¡¯m new to JMRI , so if I¡¯ve not asked my question according to a specific protocol, please forgive me. I¡¯ve successfully installed and used Decoder Pro and have been very impressed with it.

I am using JMRI installed on a Macbook Pro connected to an NCE Power Pro.

However I have tried unsuccessfully to find a Hornby TTS decoder for a Britannia (R7143) listed in the program, has anybody got such a file please? This is a recently added decoder from Hornby.

Kind Regards,

Eve Wallis
Locked Re: MRC Prodigy Advance Error

 

There are installers here:



that I hope will fix this. I¡¯d appreciate hearing whether it did or not.

Bob
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Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...
Locked Re: Detection in JRMI with NCE Accessories

 

Dave in PA,


On 17 Sep 2019, at 4:45 PM, Video7105 <video7105@...> wrote:

Thanks Dave, Ken and Dick
So my problem is the use and definition of the word GND.
Yes.

Where as the GND for the AIU comes from the Control Bus?
It's actually the Cab Bus (the 6 way socket on the Power Pro) that connects throttles, AIUs, Mini Panels etc. to the Command Station.

NCE uses the term Control Bus (the 4 way socket on the Power Pro) for the connection between the Command Station and Booster(s).

The GND on the BD20¡¯s comes from where, the AIU board?
Yes, the specific AIU board that BD20 is connected to.

And
The external power connection for the Switch8 MK2 GND comes from the negative of the wall wart?
Yes.

Is this the correct scenario ?
Yes, with a slight correction of terminology.

P.S. The Accessory Bus is the term used for a specific DCC signal bus reserved for accessory decoders only. It is usually separated from the Track DCC bus by a circuit breaker or on a separate booster. The reason is so that a track short will not disable the accessory decoders needed to change the turnouts to clear the short.

Dave in Australia
Locked Re: VSD Transponder Question #vsdecoder

 

Hi Klaus,

Thanks a lot :-)

I will have a look at both these examples they will make it much easier for me
to try to accomplish what I want :-)

Best Regards
P?r
Locked Re: VSD Transponder Question #vsdecoder

 

You're welcome, P?r!

I uploaded a variant of the script (SensorTransponding.py).

Both scripts work for me in JMRI simulator mode. Please check the line endings, if you are not running Windows.

The sound positions can be maintained in "Manage VSD Locations".

But I prefer to load the data at JMRI start up. To give you an example I uploaded two more files: Reporters.xml and VSDGeodata.xml.
On PanelPro go to Edit >> Preferences >> Start Up and add an "Open File" action for Reporters.xml. After a JMRI restart you should find your data on "Manage VSD Locations".

The documentation is on .

Regards,
Klaus


Am 17.09.2019 um 08:16 schrieb P?r Ekstrand:

Hi Klaus,
Thanks a lot for the swift reply !
Best Regards
P?r
Locked Re: Image index not loading?

 

I have the same problem. Although the catalogTrees.xml file is created, the image index is lost between sessions.

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Petr ?¨ªdlo
Czech Republic
Locked Re: Layout editor - connecting slips to turnouts #layouteditor

 

Thank you for your reply Dave. I cannot find a way of selecting and dragging the end points. In the Help files it talks about using a META key but I have tried several keys CTRL ALT Fn but these do not seem to help.
Best wishes
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Sand
Sent: 17 September 2019 07:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Layout editor - connecting slips to turnouts

Peter,

The length and angle of turnout, slip, and level crossing legs can be changed by dragging the end points.

For you scenario I place the turnout and the slip on the panel and connect the related end points with the required track segment. I then drag the turnout diverging leg and the related slip leg until they look good. I normally draw track plans with 45? angles on everything so I use the grid to position the objects and their end points.

Dave Sand



On Sep 17, 2019, at 12:58 AM, peter.s.drury via Groups.Io <peter.s.drury@...> wrote:

I am having great difficulty in connecting the above objects. How do I get the alignment of the turnout diverging route to match that of the slip? The angles of the diverging lines wrt their through routes is different.
Locked Re: Detection in JRMI with NCE Accessories

Video7105
 

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Thanks Dave, Ken and Dick
So my problem is the use and definition of the word GND.?

Where as the GND for the AIU comes from the Control Bus?

The GND on the BD20¡¯s comes from where, the AIU board?

And

The external power connection for the Switch8 MK2 GND comes from the negative of the wall wart?

Is this the correct scenario ?

Thanks?
Dave?
In PA

Sent from iPhone Xs Max

On Sep 16, 2019, at 22:00, dick bronson via Groups.Io <dick@...> wrote:

Dave,

Part of the problem is that different people use the term GND differently. In this case we mean the common return for whatever switches or detectors are being monitored by the AIU. We do NOT mean earth ground nor even some master power supply ground. The AIU itself has a terminal labeled GND. That is the place that any switches or detectors should to be referenced to, and no other. Where the AIU gets its power makes no difference.

You can get by sometimes with connecting the switch commons to other places, (also probably labeled GND and even connected together) but sooner or later you will have mysterious issues with no logical explanations.

It may seem neater to use a single ground connection to every switch on a panel, or every Tortoise in a yard, or every .... whatever, but electrically that is not usually the best option.

The 'Loop' we are talking about is the loop of wire starting at the input board (e.g. some AIU) going out to a contact and then returning to the same input board as the sensed line. That 'loop' or circuit should not include (as in surround, or go around, or be common with) any other wiring. (especially any track feeders or AC power)

In sensitive situations this means that every signal should be fed by its own pair of wires. In the case of an AIU or similar input board using a single common line for all 7 (or 14) sensors is not likely to cause issues as long as they run along the same path or in the same cable because it has internal noise suppression and some hysteresis.

Dick :)

On 9/16/2019 8:48 PM, Video7105 wrote:
Thank Dave for the link and further advise. ?The GND in question has no relationship to the layout, since it¡¯s powered by a wall wart only.?

Maybe my designation of Assy. Bus is what may be confusing. ?I have a yellow and white running around the layout, that is powered by the wall wart only and has no connection to the DCC System.?

My GND¡¯s to my BD20/AIU/Ext. Power for Switch8 MK2 panels, comes from the negative side of the wall wart.?

It seems am having a problem understanding where the AIU GND should come from to start with, if not like like I have it.?

The positive side of the wall wart goes to my + connection on the BD20¡¯s, in case I even decide to use it and the + side on the external power supply for the Switch8 MK2. No positive goes to the AIU, from the wall wart

If wrong, I have way to much invested in burning equipment up.?

Where is the suggested GND, for these panels, suggested to be obtain?

Thanks
Dave
In PA

Sent from iPhone Xs Max

On Sep 16, 2019, at 17:49, Dave Heap <dgheap@...> wrote:

Dave,

On 17 Sep 2019, at 2:51 AM, Video7105 <video7105@...> wrote:

Since the switches inside the tortoise are isolated, where is the GND Loop supposively happening at?

The three wires connected to pins 5, 6 & 7 need to go directly to the AIU GND terminal and two input pins of the AIU. They should be routed close together and preferably lightly twisted together.

The GND connection between pin 5 and the AIU GND terminal must not be made via any bus ground. Multiple Tortoises position switches must not use a shared ground back to the AIU GND.

To do otherwise invites false triggering of the AIU inputs.

The email from Dick Bronson (principal of RRCirKits) is here:

Dave in Australia
Locked Re: Layout editor - connecting slips to turnouts #layouteditor

 

Peter,

The length and angle of turnout, slip, and level crossing legs can be changed by dragging the end points.

For you scenario I place the turnout and the slip on the panel and connect the related end points with the required track segment. I then drag the turnout diverging leg and the related slip leg until they look good. I normally draw track plans with 45? angles on everything so I use the grid to position the objects and their end points.

Dave Sand

On Sep 17, 2019, at 12:58 AM, peter.s.drury via Groups.Io <peter.s.drury@...> wrote:

I am having great difficulty in connecting the above objects. How do I get the alignment of the turnout diverging route to match that of the slip? The angles of the diverging lines wrt their through routes is different.
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