Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
After testing the throttle on panel pro. I experienced something very odd.?
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As usual, the power button (that is labeled layout power State) is still yellow and says: layout power State unknown. Click to turn off.?
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Now on the panel pro tab, the power button is basically unresponsive as I've tried numerous times to click on it to turn on to try to use the Wi-Fi.
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Now on the throttle, there's that same power button, which again was unresponsive. This however changed after doing certain steps.?
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I tried clicking on the power button after I tested the throttle with the locomotive I had on my layout and nothing happened. I did happen to then click on one of the function buttons after and noticed that the power button then turned red to the off position. I thought that was odd so I clicked on the power button again to try to see if it turned on (green) but it only turned back to yellow.?
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I then clicked on a function button once again to try to test the sequence again but upon pressing the power it actually turned green to the on position. I also happen to still have the panel pro server screen still open to which the power button on. There was also changing and corresponding with the one on the throttle. Now I didn't test it, but I'm hoping that the server at least turned on like the power button is indicating.
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I tested the sequence a couple times and the same thing happened every time.
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Now I'm not sure what's going on. Is it working? Is something still kind of messed up? So far this is the only way that I've been able to get the power button to change at all (on or off). This would be a really odd way to have to turn on the Wi-Fi every single time.?
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
When starting panel pro I do get the connected message on the splash -
active profile: My jmri railroad
nce: USB on com4
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The order in which I did things was turn on the layout with all connections to the board plugged in except for the USB end into the computer. Once the layout was on and had power, I plugged in the USB into the computer and then opened panel pro. (Just adding this because I'm not sure if the order of connections matter).
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All functions work as normal using the power cab and when using a controller through panelpro everything worked fine as well.
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I have the Wi-Fi throttle app on an Android phone. After setting up the app, I can see my railroad server on it. My issue however is I can't turn on the server so I cannot connect my phone to the railroad and thus cannot use the Wi-Fi controller (my phone).
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
I forgot to mention the soft power switch on JMRI, even with the auto switch on the PowerCab, can NOT control track power. It¡¯s not an option. ? John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12
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On Apr 23, 2025, at 11:32?AM, John Bauchiero via groups.io <john4dhmr@...> wrote:
? As far as I know. Only the ph-pro has the on/off option. The powercab needs the auto switch to turn off track power by diverting power to another output (Program Track).? John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12 On Apr 23, 2025, at 7:34?AM, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:
? My memory says that NCE doesn¡¯t have a track power on/off option. Shifting in and out of programming mode will turnoff track power while programming. But that¡¯s not like a number of other systems. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
As far as I know. Only the ph-pro has the on/off option. The powercab needs the auto switch to turn off track power by diverting power to another output (Program Track).? John ?Bauchiero
- NCE PH-Pro & PowerCab, RasPi4, DCC-EX- JMRI 5.11.4, Java 17.0.12
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On Apr 23, 2025, at 7:34?AM, Ken Cameron via groups.io <kcameron@...> wrote:
? My memory says that NCE doesn¡¯t have a track power on/off option. Shifting in and out of programming mode will turnoff track power while programming. But that¡¯s not like a number of other systems. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block
Nigel -
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Your web pages sound very interesting. ?Would they be available on Git or somewhere to try?
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Torgrim -
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See also the RFID group: groups.io/g/RFID4MRR
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I built a scheme prior to "Ghost Block" with a virtual block and debounce timing that works the same way.
I had the same issue.
I solved at "safe section" meeting points using a virtual sensor for "Allocation Hold" specified in the current transit step of the waiting train.
I used LogixNG to control the "Allocation Hold" sensor.
Whenever the "Ghost" or my "turnout occupied" sensor is active, the "Allocation Hold" is set active.
When the "Ghost" or my "turnout occupied" sensor goes inactive, LogixNG makes "Allocation Hold" inactive after a five second delay.
"Allocation Hold" will prevent allocation and thus the turnout action until cleared.
The caveat is that "don't stop the train with the last car within the turnout's fouling point".
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
My memory says that NCE doesn¡¯t have a track power on/off option. Shifting in and out of programming mode will turnoff track power while programming. But that¡¯s not like a number of other systems. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block
An approach:?
For your layout display blocks which appear on the panel, use an "internal reporter".? ?
For the actual readers, use real reporters, eg. "Cbus reporter", which will read all the tags.??
Then, in LogixNG, create a piece of code which writes the required "train" value to the "internal reporter".?
This code could work in several ways:?
a)? monitor certain IDTags (those for locomotives), and if they change, update the relevant "internal reporter" based on the last location report for the IDTag.?
b)? monitor the CBUS Reporters, looking for only certain tags (those that are locomotives) and update the relevant "internal reporter" with the new value.??
The ability to create a reporter event, with a payload (IDTag, or train name, or..), has been present in LogixNG for a while, so the basics are there, and will work.??
- Nigel
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Date 23/04/2025 11:45:45
Subject Re: [jmriusers] Multiple RFID tags in one block
Actually I was thinking of tags in both ends of cars in addition to the double readers - some wagons are more than 2m long.
The double readers make sure the tag is in the correct block, no matter how I do shunting across block borders into and out of my shed.
One or two readers on the cbus node does not make much of a cost difference.
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I guess the ID Tag table will be the central element here, parsing on "where seen" to give block occupancy.
For display on the panel, I somehow will have to show only the locomotive or train name.
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Torgrim
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Re: HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
When starting PanelPro do you see a connected message in the splash pane on start?
If not check preferences that you're correctly set up for USB to the PowerCab.
If you do show connected have you tried running an engine from the PowerCab?
If you can have you tried a throttle in PanelPro?
If all that is working we've verified that the computer is talking to NCE.
If the WiThrottle doesn't start at all I'm not sure yet what to suggest... You have a WiFi throttle and it can see your network?
Try the first tests and we'll try to work through the rest.
Jim Albanowski
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Re: Disconnect between signal aspect showing on JMRI and ACTUAL signal aspect on layout
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Nimble, ? Only think I¡¯ve heard that might fit this is that if the commands to the Light-It come too fast, it will see the first command and miss the second command. I¡¯ve not seen it myself but have heard it happen to so. There were comments, either here or on the NCE list, and I recall some solution was found. Around six months ago, I think. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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HELP! Power unknown issue with JMRI - Trying to use wifi throttle with JMRI and NCE power cab
I was able to get the interface to be seen by the computer when running it through the cobalt power box. I could see it through the DecoderPro but when trying to use PanelPro for the wireless throttle i ran into an issue. The button to turn the server on was yellow and i was unable to turn it on or off. It gave me a message saying that power was unknown and to click to turn it off, but that didn't work. I then tried to use the interface normally through just the NCE powerCab and to my surprise the same issue was happening. DecoderPro could see it but i noticed that the power button located on the top right was also yellow.
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My goal is to get WiFi throttle to work but i was unable to even turn on the server through PanelPro and I'm unsure of what the issue is
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Essentially I've hit a wall where I can't seem to power on or see the power status of my NCE when working with the application. I need to find out how to be able to turn this on to see if i can get the WiFi to work with just the NCE System itself.?
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Disconnect between signal aspect showing on JMRI and ACTUAL signal aspect on layout
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Hi JMRI user group,
This little black duck in St. Clair, Sydney, finally got some signalling up & running, sort of...
Is there any known issue[s] with JMRI and NCE that would cause JMRI to correctly show? the aspect? of a given [3 aspect] signal, BUT have the equivalent physical signal on my layout inconsistently update [or not] its aspect??
Note I said 'inconsistently', because some of the time a given signal will update correctly, another time not. [And it is not always the same signal that fails to update; it all appears rather random.]
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SOME DETAILS
Simple loop running at present under test. Approximately 15 signals in the? large-ish loop. Currently running LOGIX programmed to have one signal RED, one signal AMBER, the remainder GREEN.
Logix operates correctly 'on screen' or 'virtually'.
I have tried various ways of programming the signal sequence, but always run into the same problem of inconsistent updating of aspects.
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HARDWARE - all NCE
NCE PowerPro, NCE BD20 sensors [all track 'sensed'], NCE AIUs, their channels switched via the sensors. Each signal is connected to an NCE 'Light-it' stationary decoder acting as its driver.
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ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS
Signals, when manually operated from the PC [JMRI signal table] update as directed 'on screen' & 'on layout', no failures.
AIU on board channel indicators [LEDs] operate correctly and cause JMRI sensor table to shown sensors as 'active' or 'inactive' as expected.
At one point I thought there may be data loss occurring through the 'bus' between the NCE system and the signal drivers, but this doesn't appear to be the case. I say this because I have one of the signals connected to the 'track bus' within 6 inches of the NCE box - and it still fails to update at times.
I can't take the project any further until reliability of correct aspect be attained.
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I can supply more detailed info to anyone who thinks they can help.
Regards,
Nimble
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Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block
Actually I was thinking of tags in both ends of cars in addition to the double readers - some wagons are more than 2m long.
The double readers make sure the tag is in the correct block, no matter how I do shunting across block borders into and out of my shed.
One or two readers on the cbus node does not make much of a cost difference.
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I guess the ID Tag table will be the central element here, parsing on "where seen" to give block occupancy.
For display on the panel, I somehow will have to show only the locomotive or train name.
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Torgrim
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Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block
Torgrim,
It's a lot cheaper to have a tag on both ends of a piece of rolling stock to determine direction than it is to have duplicate readers everywhere. And only where direction actually matters, which is probably a relatively small percentage.
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2025, 08:50 Torgrim Gjelsvik via , <torgrimg= [email protected]> wrote:
I must admit I am having a hard time grasping all the options available for RFID, reporters and block tracking.
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Is there a way to handle more than one RFID tag in a block?
If I had RFID tags on all units, and RFID readers on all block borders, I would have a train of tags moving around.
A double reader could indicate the direction of travel. On my 1:8 scale garden railroad this is quite feasible.?
A Cbus node with an arduino nano and 2 cheap readers on every block border could do the job.
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A tag should be in only 1 block - when a it enters a block it should be removed from any previous block.
Block occupancy is based on at least 1 tag in the block, to be shown on the panel.
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But how can I do this in JMRI?
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Regards, Torgrim
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Re: Multiple RFID tags in one block
Perhaps re-thinking what is tagged, and how it is handled might be worth doing.
One reason to tag all stock is to feed information into software for operations (whether OperationsPro or something else is a detail).? ?For this, knowing where every item of stock might be is important.?
But, for a train, in a block, what is important is the "train".? ? ?
So, if you are using tags on every piece of stock, I suggest you need something to filter things, and only put "locomotive" or a "representation of a train" into a block reporter.? ? ?
This could be done with LogixNG (I've got the elements written in code I've used on three layouts).? I can think if several ways to approach it, but which to choose depends on your use of tags, what a train consists, of etc..?
Or it could be done with the devices doing the "reading" and giving information from some tags (eg. Locomotive) into the Reporter structure for the blocks, but others are passed to the system through other means (one idea would be different reporters used
for freight cars).? ?
Alternatively, and without requiring anything done in LogixNG or filtering the input data,??I have a couple of web-page views into JMRI which I need to write up for JMRI distribution as demonstration examples.? Those will do roughly what you have
asked.??
The first takes the ID-Tag table (which will be populated from a Reporter reading tags as they pass a reader), and displays graphically all the stock in a block as it passes a reader.? When the stock passes another reader, it is removed from the first
location, and appears at the second location.? ?Items appear in "train order".? ?
The second demonstration uses OperationsPro data, to not only show stock position, but also its destination and other details relevant to OperationsPro.??
- Nigel
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Date 23/04/2025 08:50:31
Subject [jmriusers] Multiple RFID tags in one block
I must admit I am having a hard time grasping all the options available for RFID, reporters and block tracking.
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Is there a way to handle more than one RFID tag in a block?
If I had RFID tags on all units, and RFID readers on all block borders, I would have a train of tags moving around.
A double reader could indicate the direction of travel. On my 1:8 scale garden railroad this is quite feasible.?
A Cbus node with an arduino nano and 2 cheap readers on every block border could do the job.
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A tag should be in only 1 block - when a it enters a block it should be removed from any previous block.
Block occupancy is based on at least 1 tag in the block, to be shown on the panel.
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But how can I do this in JMRI?
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Regards, Torgrim
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Multiple RFID tags in one block
I must admit I am having a hard time grasping all the options available for RFID, reporters and block tracking.
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Is there a way to handle more than one RFID tag in a block?
If I had RFID tags on all units, and RFID readers on all block borders, I would have a train of tags moving around.
A double reader could indicate the direction of travel. On my 1:8 scale garden railroad this is quite feasible.?
A Cbus node with an arduino nano and 2 cheap readers on every block border could do the job.
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A tag should be in only 1 block - when a it enters a block it should be removed from any previous block.
Block occupancy is based on at least 1 tag in the block, to be shown on the panel.
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But how can I do this in JMRI?
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Regards, Torgrim
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Steve
It's working as designed. Ghost blocks were never intended for anything other than the short blocks you have to add to get block routing working. If you can use then for something else fine, but you are going to have to work round it's foibles. Try adding a debounce on going inactive of 5 to 10 seconds.
Steve G.
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 08:16 PM, AD wrote:
14:40:22,536 apps.jmrit.log.Log4JTreePane ? ? ? ? ?INFO ?- changing Logging for jmri.jmri.dispatcher to TRACE [AWT-EventQueue-0]
14:40:24,187 apps.jmrit.log.Log4JTreePane ? ? ? ? ?INFO ?- changing Logging for jmri.jmri.dispatcher to TRACE [AWT-EventQueue-0]
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Hi Tony,
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There is no
jmri.jmri.dispatcher
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Try
jmri.jmrit.dispatcher
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Steve.
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Member JMRI Dev Team
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I see you have linked this topic in your case you opened on the issue.? Good thinking.
Hopefully someone will be able to look into this for you.
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Trevor
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Peter, ? While you are far away, try emailing NCE with the description of your problem. Include mention of this topic (subject and date you posted the first message) and they may be able to help. If the chip is deemed suspect, they would likely mail you a replacement. But contact them. All of us out here just use lots of their stuff. ? -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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