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Re: Locomotive assignment
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 07:25 PM, Kerry DelVecchio wrote:
What I would like is a way to assign switchers to local trains, and mainline locos to through trains.? I know this can be done using the 'type', but the issue is a build will fail if there are no more of the 'type' of loco available. Correct.? No "If-Then-Else" for the type field, sorry.?
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One way to fake it is to adjust the loco's move count to bias assignment to a train. You will still need two types of locomotives, switcher and mainline.
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You could set all of the mainline type locomotive move counts to say "1000" or larger.? For your local trains, enable both "types" of locos.? For your mainline trains, only enable "mainline type" locos.
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Now the program for your locals will first use all of the "switchers", with low move counts, and then assign your main line locos after all switchers are used up.
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Keith, The only intermediate signals I see on your layout are EB10/WB11. ?Intermediate signals are automatic signals between control points. I don't know what you mean by virtual signals. ?In any case, they behave like real signals. ?They are placed at portals, aka block boundaries. ?They have signal mast logic and are destinations for signal mast logic. I don't know anything about warrant stopping logic. Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: Keith Williams <directorsixfive@...> Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Struggles with warrants - cont'd Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 6:30 PM Dave, So I can install Virtual signals at critical points?? They dont?need to be "on the layout"? Do you have any ideas with respect to the stopping distance being too far from the signal? On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 6:49?PM Dave Sand via <ds=[email protected]> wrote:
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Dave, So I can install Virtual signals at critical points?? They dont?need to be "on the layout"? Do you have any ideas with respect to the stopping distance being too far from the signal? On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 6:49?PM Dave Sand via <ds=[email protected]> wrote:
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Locomotive assignment
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I'm probably in the minority, but I allow JMRI to assign locomotives to trains.? It gets all the locos moving around the layout.? Plus it helps with getting proper train lengths.
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What I would like is a way to assign switchers to local trains, and mainline locos to through trains.? I know this can be done using the 'type', but the issue is a build will fail if there are no more of the 'type' of loco available.
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I'd really like there to be an If-Then-Else feature so that IF the train is a local THEN use swithers ELSE use mainline locos, if there are no more switchers available (and vice versa).??
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If this is already a feature, please let me know the proper way to set this up.
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I know this is a 'first world' problem as I could manually assign locos, but I figure it doesn't hurt to ask.
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Keith, On your track plan, the signal aspect for entering the siding has a medium speed. ?That means the train has to reduce the speed to medium "before" reaching the signal mast. ?When you are going from siding to siding, the speed will stay at medium. ?If there are intermediate signals showing clear, then the train should speed up until it passes the intermediate signal. Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: Keith Williams <directorsixfive@...> Subject: [jmriusers] Struggles with warrants - cont'd Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 5:10 PM Group; ? I am making progress but i am a little bit confused, as I don't think the the warrants are acting like they should.? Allow me to explain: ? Some background: ? My layout runs from Buffalo to Chicago, with seven (7) passing sidings.? All are signalled, and the O-Block checker says all is well, as the portals and paths are correct, and all portals have signal? masts assigned and correctly functioning.? All blocks and paths have lengths included, accurate to the nearest inch.? Loco's speed matched and limited to 50 MPH top speed. ? What I am trying to accomplish is to get a "cleaning train" from a siding, make a couple of loops on the layout min lines, and again a couple of loops including the passing sidings, then park abck into the siding it came from.? Somethin like this: ? Warrant 1 - I call this Cleaning train lap 1: Runs from its Storage siding in Buffalo to the Chicago Yard main, on the main only, no sidings are traversed. Warrant 2 - Cleaning train Lap 2:? Runs from Chicago to Buffalo on the main, no sidings traversed, ends up on the Buffalo Yard Main line. Warrant 3 - Cleaning train Lap 3:? Runs from Buffalo to Chicago, and travels through all of the passing sidings, ending up on the Chicago Yard Main Line. Warrant 4 - Cleaning train Lap 4:? Runs from Chicago to Buffalo, again traversing the passing sidings, end in on the main in Buffalo Yard. Warrant 5 - Cleaning train lap 5:? Runs from Buffalo main line to the storage siding for the cleaning train (this one is not completed yet) ? ? Case #1 -?If i run a train via Warrants 1 or 2,? regardless of the direction (B to C, or C to B) without taking any passing sidings, the warrant works like i think it should, meaning the train respects the speed limits and restrictions quite nicely.? However, with Warrants 3 or 4, with a speed restriction on the sidings, the train will slow down to the required speed in the preceding block, which is a main line and should be traversed at "normal" speed.? Essentially what is happening is that the train is traveling the entire length of the layout at "medium" speed, or about 25 MPH.? I think the train should traverse the track between passing sidings at 'Normal" speed and only reduce the speed to traverse the turnouts leading into and out of the passing siding.? Some of my passing sidings are long (the shortest is 10') so I think the train speed should ramp up to normal on these sidings.? ?Is it fixable? If so, how do I fix this??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? S1 Case #2.? When a train is enters a block, and the other end of the block has a turnout thrown against it, the train will slow to a stop at the entry end, about 25% of the way into the block, rather than travel the length of the block and stop short of the? signal.? Is it fixable? If so, how do I fix this??? ? I hope I have explained this clearly, and sorry for the long post, but this is really got me stumped!? Hopefully someone else has run into this and can offer some advice! |
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Re: I sill have not made it yes I know I must be a real dummy
开云体育Thank you, Dan. Your suggestion works perfectly. I now have all the software mounted and I can get ready for a session now. You really been a special blessing and I sincerely appreciate it. I’m now getting the paperwork ready for our next session and it’s so much better with this new paperwork new soft work Thank you my friend. Much appreciated. I Thank you….Frank? On Sep 22, 2024, at 9:46?AM, Frank Wyatt <frw0559@...> wrote:
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Thank you both, great stuff! appreciate the leads. Apologies for the previous typos!?
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DiverseHobbies operates a: 10x16' HO multi track layout; Lenz LH101 throttle drives a LZV100 for JMRI Automated Sections & All Turnouts with a Slaved LV102? booster for the manually controller portion of the layout Mains. JMRI is running on an HP Envy 15" touchscreen w/ AMD Ryzen 5. Lenz LI-USB interface on COM 5. |
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I am making progress but i am a little bit confused, as I don't think the the warrants are acting like they should.? Allow me to explain:
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Some background:
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My layout runs from Buffalo to Chicago, with seven (7) passing sidings.? All are signalled, and the O-Block checker says all is well, as the portals and paths are correct, and all portals have signal? masts assigned and correctly functioning.? All blocks and paths have lengths included, accurate to the nearest inch.? Loco's speed matched and limited to 50 MPH top speed.
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What I am trying to accomplish is to get a "cleaning train" from a siding, make a couple of loops on the layout min lines, and again a couple of loops including the passing sidings, then park abck into the siding it came from.? Somethin like this:
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Warrant 1 - I call this Cleaning train lap 1: Runs from its Storage siding in Buffalo to the Chicago Yard main, on the main only, no sidings are traversed.
Warrant 2 - Cleaning train Lap 2:? Runs from Chicago to Buffalo on the main, no sidings traversed, ends up on the Buffalo Yard Main line.
Warrant 3 - Cleaning train Lap 3:? Runs from Buffalo to Chicago, and travels through all of the passing sidings, ending up on the Chicago Yard Main Line.
Warrant 4 - Cleaning train Lap 4:? Runs from Chicago to Buffalo, again traversing the passing sidings, end in on the main in Buffalo Yard.
Warrant 5 - Cleaning train lap 5:? Runs from Buffalo main line to the storage siding for the cleaning train (this one is not completed yet)
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Case #1 -?If i run a train via Warrants 1 or 2,? regardless of the direction (B to C, or C to B) without taking any passing sidings, the warrant works like i think it should, meaning the train respects the speed limits and restrictions quite nicely.? However, with Warrants 3 or 4, with a speed restriction on the sidings, the train will slow down to the required speed in the preceding block, which is a main line and should be traversed at "normal" speed.? Essentially what is happening is that the train is traveling the entire length of the layout at "medium" speed, or about 25 MPH.? I think the train should traverse the track between passing sidings at 'Normal" speed and only reduce the speed to traverse the turnouts leading into and out of the passing siding.? Some of my passing sidings are long (the shortest is 10') so I think the train speed should ramp up to normal on these sidings.? ?Is it fixable? If so, how do I fix this???
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Case #2.? When a train is enters a block, and the other end of the block has a turnout thrown against it, the train will slow to a stop at the entry end, about 25% of the way into the block, rather than travel the length of the block and stop short of the? signal.? Is it fixable? If so, how do I fix this???
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I hope I have explained this clearly, and sorry for the long post, but this is really got me stumped!? Hopefully someone else has run into this and can offer some advice! |
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SPINS in JMRI
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The Southern Pacific used 'SPINS', (Southern Pacific Industrial Numbering System). They just put a number to correspond with the track and/or industry serviced. The question is, has anyone else used SPINS in JMRI?
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Additional information here: https://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/spins/books.html
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What I'm looking for is how to name the industry. Instead of putting Wal-Mart spot 1 or Purina Chow unload 1, do you just put the number, 0415 for example? I'd think it could be as easy as that. Yes, I have a diagram of the track to match the number and industry but wanted to know how operators handled just a number vs. a name and location. Since the name of the building and location are easier to see on a model railroad verses a number that you have to reference another document.?
For real railroaders, I think the diagram and number would be easy and repeatable as a job. For us part time (model) railroaders, I think more details assist operators in performing their tasks.? Thank you for any information.? Mike O'Neill
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Re: Build Fail, claims no route for cars
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Pete,?
Thanks for the reply. I will have to wait for another build fail as I have built a new train.
In the mean time let me explain Mr RR a bit.
Afton is staging only. It is actually 5 drawers off layout. ?This train (NSVL 82) will be set on a siding until it is time to show up in Lyndhurst. Here the trains drops its ?inbound cars on the main, then goes to a yard track picks up the outbound cars and goes back to Afton.
Lyndhurst is a Yard only. It is actually 3 tracks but for simplicity I have it as one in JMRI. When NSVL82 ?goes back to Afton the yard crew will sort the cars for the next trains.
The Wolfpen turn (NSVL 107) is routed from Lyndhurst Yard ?to the Lyndhurst transload and then to Wolfpen and then return to the yard.
The Schuyler turn(NSVL 105) is routed from Lyndhurst Yard ?to Schuyler power then onto Schuyler (this in a C/I track). Then returns to the yard.
The Schuyler switcher (NSVL 202) works the paper mill and then drops/ pickups cars from the Schuyler interchange track.
The only cars having routing issues are my hoppers. As seen they are not making the trip to Lyndhurst ?Transload.
The program did try to send the car to Dunn Papermill, but there would be too many hoppers there.
The program is supposed to wait one turn then switch out the Hopper at the paper mill, but lately is. To doing that either.
Next time I build a train with the hoppers I will post the build report ( if fails).
I have made the changes you recommended by the way.
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So basically My RR is a rural Appalachian operation. Cars come in from Afton (the rest of the world) run down the valley to ?Schuyler (the end of the line) where Dunn Papermill is (my biggest customer). Sometimes I will combine the wolfpen and Schuyler turn into one train (even though I still have JMRI build them as separate trains). sometimes I just run them one at time as the mood strikes.
Again thanks for your time and be looking out for the next build report…should I just post it here or start a new post??
Joe
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Re: LogixNG query inconsistent turnout position
Fred, Do you get any errors in the JMRI system console? ?If so, use the "Copy to clipboard" button and paste the entire contents. Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: "frederic duverger via groups.io" <frederic.bonave=[email protected]> Subject: Re: [jmriusers] LogixNG query inconsistent turnout position Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 10:40 AM Dave I am using Lenz system. For startup I set the delay between switch commands to 500ms. All my turnouts are "Direct " and Automatisation is "off" Fred |
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I think I'll do the same for the modular group.
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All the booster boxes I set up for the group and my home stuff have a circuit breaker feeding the track, set about .5 amp below the booster rating, the accessory decoders are fed from before the breakers so we don't have the problems with track shorts.?
MERG do circuit breaker kits for less than ?12 if you are into making such things, but you do need to be a member to buy them.
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Re: LogixNG query inconsistent turnout position
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I am using Lenz system. For startup I set the delay between switch commands to 500ms. All my turnouts are "Direct " and Automatisation is "off"
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Re: Profiles - can they be application dependent?
Thanks, Dave. Pity, though. Do you think that, as a change request, this could have legs? Wouter On Wed, 25 Sept 2024, 16:10 Dave Sand via , <ds=[email protected]> wrote:
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Hubert,
I am new to Logix, but found it easy to set up the command I needed.
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There is a reference page here:
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If you proceed down as far as "Create an Action" and then select "Request update of all sensors", that is the only command needed.
When you close down the dialogue make sure "start up" is ticked.
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Regarding the specific Lenz problem, I too have had problems with turnouts not operating after a short.? I solved it by putting circuit breakers between the LZV100 / LV102 and the track.? DCCconcepts in the UK do a product DCD-iPCB.1 which is very effective, although quite expensive (around UKP 80).? Also you would need two, one for each track feed.? I guess there are probably similar alternatives out there.
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Hope that helps, Phil
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开云体育It sounds like the motor drive on the decoder for one direction has failed. ?Each direction has a seperate drive chip. ?Mick ________________________________ Mick Moignard Specialising in DCC Sound m: +44 7774 652504 The week may start M,T but it always ends WTF. |
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Re: LogixNG query inconsistent turnout position
Robin, Thanks for the information. ? Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: Robin Becker <rbgroups@...> Subject: Re: [jmriusers] LogixNG query inconsistent turnout position Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 10:06 AM Dave, ? FYI Exact Feedback (Loconet) also supports the INCONSISTENT state. ? Robin ? Robin Becker N3IX Engineering LLC San Diego CA ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Sand ? Fred, ? As far as I know, the inconsistent state for turnouts only occurs when turnouts are using TWOSENSOR feedback and both sensors are active or inactive. ?Are you using TWOSENSOR feedback? ? Dave Sand ? ? ----- Original message ----- From: "frederic duverger via groups.io" <frederic.bonave=[email protected]> Subject: [jmriusers] LogixNG query inconsistent turnout position Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 4:28 AM ? Hi When I start a session, all turnout are automaticaly set to Closed. But for an unknow reason, on time to time, a turnout can show as being inconsistent. Once inconsistent, JMRI cannot give any order to a turnout.? I would like to create a logix which? 1) check which turnouts are showing as inconsistents 2) query? their status, which should return as unknow 3) sert turnout to Closed ? Any idea on how to do that ?? Or is there a more elegant way to solve the issue of turnout showing "inconsistent" ?? ? Fred ? |
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Re: Profiles - can they be application dependent?
Wouter, Profiles are always application independent. ? DecoderPro and PanelPro retain the last used profile in their properties file,?DecoderProConfig3.properties and?PanelProConfig2.properties. Dave Sand ----- Original message ----- From: whmvd <vandoornw@...> Subject: [jmriusers] Profiles - can they be application dependent? Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 9:54 AM Hi all, I have a good many profiles. Some of them are of interest only when I use DecoderPro, others exclusively when I use PanelPro and some are of interest to both. I'd like to limit the number of profiles shown when I start PanelPro by excluding those I use only wih DecoderPro, and vv. And similar for other JMRI entry-points, which I don't use yet - but who knows? Is this an existing feature that I just have not found? A maintenance screen with checkmarks per profile would be ideal, but of course any implementation could be very different from what I happen to look for. The much shorter list of choices would be so much easier to work with. I pick a wrong one quite frequently. Some judicious renaming of profiles might help me, but making a application<->profile map to enable/disable seems so much handier! Wouter |
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