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Locked Odd Turnout behavior part #2

 

Hello again,

Part #2,? I have 2 physical?right- handed (RH) that meet at the turnouts and I use them as a?right-handed single crossover (RH Xover).? I had them on my panel originally as separate?turnouts but I found that?a?right-handed single crossover (RH Xover) was more?elegant for the actual function and appearance.? But there is some odd behavior with my settings.? ?Let's say I have TO09 and TO10 set when one is thrown the other will throw.? For example I throw TO09 and both TO09 and TO10 will throw and vise versa.? This make sense, however when I throw or close TO10, TO09 will not throw or close.? This does not make sense to me.? I'm looking at a fix to this issue. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Can I somehow hide TO10 so it can't be thrown on it's own. I have seen where I can hide a turnout individually but for a right-handed single crossover (RH Xover) it would hide the whole thing and?I don't want that.? I also don't want it to not be seen on the layout.? If I could just not show TO10 in WiThrottle that would work too as that is my primary means of controlling my turnouts.? I don't really want a band-aid?as much as I want to know the proper?way to do this.? I'm running version 4.15 ish on Raspberry Pi and DCC++ Base Station.

Thank you,

Jasen
Locked Odd Turnout behavior part #1

 

Hello all,

I have two questions about turnout behavior.? This will be part #1 and I'll make a second post for part #2.? I have a?right- handed (RH)-TO01 and left-handed (LH)-TO09 set of turnouts that are linked together. When I throw one TO01, TO09 will also throw and Vise Versa.? This works a few time and then gets in an endless loop where they keep Closing and Throwing over and over. I need to either restart my system?or disable the the dependency?in my panel.? I looked at the traffic monitor and it doesn't appear to be sending repeated commands to do so.? I can't remember specifically what version of software I had when it started to do this but I did not have this issue with 4.12 until somewhere around 4.14 or 4.15.? I wish I noticed these things when I update software but sometimes you just don't check everything at the time.? I am running Raspberry?Pi, DCC++ base station and WiThrottle and maybe two minor versions of 4.15 less than 4.16.? If you need more specifics I will need to get that later.

Has anyone else seen this issue and have a resolution?

Thank you,

Jasen
Locked Re: Problem migrating Panelpro from Windows XP with MS100 to a laptop with PR3 connection

 

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John,

On 29 Oct 2019, at 9:02 PM, John Cornell <dr.jc.cornell@...> wrote:

I set up a new connection. (Had to disable the previous connection, otherwise COM3 was "in use".).

If you had two connections to the same device, that would cause the COM3 in use message. You should delete one or other of the connections (rather than just disabling it).


?Now all "Default" connections are Loconet and greyed out.

That indicates the LocoNet connection didn't start.

Here is the log:

2019-10-29 10:43:42,383 apps.Apps ????????????????????????????INFO ?- PanelPro version 4.12+Rb6a9bb1 starts under Java 1.8.0_221 on Windows 7 x86 v6.1 at Tue Oct 29 10:43:42 CET 2019 [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:47,219 apps.Apps ????????????????????????????INFO ?- Starting with profile My_Railway.3e797869 [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:47,500 node.NodeIdentity ????????????????????INFO ?- Using jmri-i7dpid3EbhOiaaWbE8LE61-3e797869 as the JMRI Node identity [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-10-29 10:43:47,687 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO ?- Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport ?????????????????INFO ?- File path program: is C:\Program Files\JMRI\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport ?????????????????INFO ?- File path preference: is C:\Users\Lucas\JMRI\My_Railway\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport ?????????????????INFO ?- File path profile: is C:\Users\Lucas\JMRI\My_Railway\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport ?????????????????INFO ?- File path settings: is C:\Users\Lucas\JMRI\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport ?????????????????INFO ?- File path home: is C:\Users\Lucas\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport ?????????????????INFO ?- File path scripts: is C:\Program Files\JMRI\jython\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,935 PanelPro.PanelPro ????????????????????INFO ?- Main initialization done [main]

The log confirms it. Nothing was started. No signs of a COM Port being opened.

You need to delete on of the connections (so you only have one left). Then tell us exactly what you have set up in the remaining connection.

I have not replaced My_JMRI_Railroad profile yet. (It's now called "My Railway".)

Don't even think of doing that!

-- I also got a strange Windows message saying "Device not installed"... :-(

That's probably the key! You probably haven't got the correct (Windows 7) drivers for the PR3 properly downloaded and installed. The Digitrax users can explain how to do that. Looks like you get them from:
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Dave in Australia
Locked Re: How to run a script using the web server

 

Dan K,

My way to handle that is using Lroutes. For much of the testing the route
part can do the needed job. It can be triggered by a sensor or turnout
change of state. Adding script execution is easy by editing it as a Logix.
Many times the route part give enough functions and only a few need the
scripts.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.org
www.syracusemodelrr.org
Locked Re: Problem migrating Panelpro from Windows XP with MS100 to a laptop with PR3 connection

 

Thanks for the criticisms. I am no JMRI expert...

I set up a new connection. (Had to disable the previous connection, otherwise COM3 was "in use".).? Now all "Default" connections are Loconet and greyed out. Here is the log:

2019-10-29 10:43:42,383 apps.Apps???????????????????????????? INFO? - PanelPro version 4.12+Rb6a9bb1 starts under Java 1.8.0_221 on Windows 7 x86 v6.1 at Tue Oct 29 10:43:42 CET 2019 [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:47,219 apps.Apps???????????????????????????? INFO? - Starting with profile My_Railway.3e797869 [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:47,500 node.NodeIdentity???????????????????? INFO? - Using jmri-i7dpid3EbhOiaaWbE8LE61-3e797869 as the JMRI Node identity [AWT-EventQueue-0]
2019-10-29 10:43:47,687 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO? - Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path program: is C:\Program Files\JMRI\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path preference: is C:\Users\Lucas\JMRI\My_Railway\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path profile: is C:\Users\Lucas\JMRI\My_Railway\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path settings: is C:\Users\Lucas\JMRI\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path home: is C:\Users\Lucas\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,077 util.FileUtilSupport????????????????? INFO? - File path scripts: is C:\Program Files\JMRI\jython\ [main]
2019-10-29 10:43:48,935 PanelPro.PanelPro???????????????????? INFO? - Main initialization done [main]

I have not replaced My_JMRI_Railroad profile yet. (It's now called "My Railway".) -- I also got a strange Windows message saying "Device not installed"... :-(
Locked Re: How to run a script using the web server

 

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One simple way to achieve the result is to use an Internal Sensor to trigger the script.?

Then the Sensor icon can go on whatever panel you wish to use for the tablet/phone device.?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Kubarych
Sent: 29 October 2019 06:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] How to run a script using the web server

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Hello all:
Because of space constraints at the layout our club is building we decided to forgo control panels attached to the bench work and use android or iPad tablets.? Panels were built using PanelPro and they work...? Indeed, they work well.? Since we are in construction mode we have ran into the normal issues of getting things to work the way we want them to work. Think turnouts... There are maintenance scripts that would be useful in the debugging process.

I could not find any functionality using a web server connection that would let me run a script.? I can see the turnout table.? The system name, the user name and the state were shown but I could not change the field by clicking on it. Huh...? But I know my layout panels work... Touch the turnout on the panel shown on the tablet and the switch moves.?

Can I develop a panel that executes a jython script when an icon is pressed?? The idea being an individual can find a turnout on the layout and using a tablet web servered back to the computer running JMRI,.. display the maintenance panel and run the appropriate diagnostics.? Am I on the right track?

Dan Kubarych
ARHS

Locked How to run a script using the web server

 

Hello all:
Because of space constraints at the layout our club is building we decided to forgo control panels attached to the bench work and use android or iPad tablets.? Panels were built using PanelPro and they work...? Indeed, they work well.? Since we are in construction mode we have ran into the normal issues of getting things to work the way we want them to work. Think turnouts... There are maintenance scripts that would be useful in the debugging process.

I could not find any functionality using a web server connection that would let me run a script.? I can see the turnout table.? The system name, the user name and the state were shown but I could not change the field by clicking on it. Huh...? But I know my layout panels work... Touch the turnout on the panel shown on the tablet and the switch moves.?

Can I develop a panel that executes a jython script when an icon is pressed?? The idea being an individual can find a turnout on the layout and using a tablet web servered back to the computer running JMRI,.. display the maintenance panel and run the appropriate diagnostics.? Am I on the right track?

Dan Kubarych
ARHS
Locked Odd Loconet turnout behavior

 

All:

I have come across some odd behavior on my layout panel this evening. I changed my JMRI panel to reflect a change that was physically made on the layout with a LocoNet turnout. The turnout number was removed from main 2 and placed on main one in almost the same location. With this change it was made a RH turnout instead of a LH turnout and feedback sensors (2 sensor) tystayed the same.?

For some odd reason, the turnout will not move when clicked on the layout panel screen but will move when clicked on the turnout tab. Feedback indicates correct position on the turnout tab but does not show up on the layout panel, even when clicked on the turnout table.?


Anyone have any thoughts? It¡¯s probably an oversight on my part but I¡¯ve changed settings, removed the turnout completely and added it back, etc to no avail.

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks,

Hank
Locked Re: MIld panic: all ID tags appear to be gone

 

On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:39 PM, ahouse3761 <trainmail1@...> wrote:
That is one reason I am confused. I only have rfid readers, no transponding anywhere. The ttansponding files have been created by 4.16.
Do you have a LocoNet connection?

That won¡¯t explain why RFID tags are being managed by the transponding tag manager, which is what is happening, but it can explain why the file exists in the first place.

Paul
Locked Re: MIld panic: all ID tags appear to be gone

 

Paul,
That is one reason I am confused. I only have rfid readers, no transponding anywhere. The ttansponding files have been created by 4.16.
Allen?
Locked Re: MIld panic: all ID tags appear to be gone

 

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Allen,

Sorry I haven¡¯t responded in a while. ?I haven¡¯t had a lot of time to look into this.


On Oct 26, 2019, at 6:39 PM, ahouse3761 <trainmail1@...> wrote:

I did some more checking and found the file name of the xml file storing the id tags has changed. In 4.14 it was "PanelProIdTags.xml. In 4.16 a file named "PanelProTranspondingTags.xml is created and starts adding tags to it as they are read. If I rename my old PanelProIdTags.xml file to the new name all of my tags show up. But there's more, I now find my Cars database is missing the id tags. If I try to add them back I see what appear to be system id tag names instead of user names. This is very hard to read and why have the relationships been lost? Do I have to go back and re-identify the tag for each car? Or is this "transponding" file the right one to use? Still a bit confused here.


What kind of reader is this again? ?

You should only see Transponding Tags if you are using LocoNet transponding. ?if it is RFID, it should still just be IDTags.

Paul
Locked Re: Decoder Pro and Indexed CVs

 

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Charley,

On 29 Oct 2019, at 10:02 AM, Charley Goddard via Groups.Io <cgalfa@...> wrote:

I noticed that while reading and writing the read CVs, that Decoder Pro tried reading each of the idexed CVs twice and giving the message about failure.

It shouldn't have to read every indexed CV twice (although it does write the index CVs before reading or writing the underlying CV (the part in the range 257-512 for NMRA-compliant indexing as in SoundTraxx and ESU). It shouldn't fail for all indexed CVs either. That indicates a configuration or other loco-based issue (e.g. Keep Alive still connected - that's likely to cause problems).

There are a couple of settings in Preferences->Roster->Programmer that can affect some systems. Try turning off Confirm Writes by Read Back.

??And then I checked the CV list and noticed quite a few blanks. ?I can go to Sountraxx's manuals and carry on from there. ?But, I noticed the phenomenon, when doing the initial read.

See below for the correct procedure applicable to most decoders (not just ESU).

BTW ,I am using JMRI 14.6, with a Lenz 3.6 system and have duplicated four TSU 2200s.successfully. ?I am a new user since only last Winter, but a long time lurker..

Please update to JMRI V4.17.4 or later. V4.16 is known to have significant issues in some areas.


Reading all CVs

Reading the full decoder is essential, particularly with ESU decoders where there are no "standard defaults". Each sound project has its own "factory defaults". All ESU sound decoders are manufactured effectively blank. When a Sound project is loaded to the decoder (using LokProgrammer software) part of the procedure is to write a new set of "factory defaults".

Because of a known (but as yet unresolved) race condition with certain decoder settings variables in JMRI code:

1) Use "Read Full Sheet" on the CVs pane instead of "Read All Sheets". It is less likely to cause errors when reading a decoder with lots of CVs.
Once finished, some may be missed (displayed in red). Use "Read Changes on Sheet" as many times as needed until no red items remain.
(Hint: Click on the Status column in the CVs pane until you see a down arrow. All the Red items will then be at the top.)

2) After you make changes on a programming sheet, don't use Write/Read changes on that programming sheet. Instead, switch to the CVs pane and use Write/Read changes on (the CVs) sheet. The result is the same but it will never trigger the race condition.

You may also see a number of messages in the JMRI System Log like this:
"ERROR - Variable=xxxxxx; Busy goes false with state IDLE"

Ignore these as they don't indicate a real error, we'll fix the problem in a later JMRI release.

Dave in Australia
Locked Re: Storage track. #operationspro

 

Some information about C/I tracks:



Look at the part about needing a different train to service a car that has been placed on a C/I track.

Dan
Locked Re: Storage track. #operationspro

 

When you look at the build report for the train you believe should move the cars from the interchange/classification track, what does the build report say those cars?

Dan
Locked Re: Decoder Pro and Indexed CVs

Charley Goddard
 

I noticed that while reading and writing the read CVs, that Decoder Pro tried reading each of the idexed CVs twice and giving the message about failure.? ?And then I checked the CV list and noticed quite a few blanks.? I can go to Sountraxx's manuals and carry on from there.? But, I noticed the phenomenon, when doing the initial read.

BTW ,I am using JMRI 14.6, with a Lenz 3.6 system and have duplicated four TSU 2200s.successfully.? I am a new user since only last Winter, but a long time lurker..

Thank you, Dave and the whole JMRI team
Locked Re: Change email preferences

 

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Guh!!

Thanks.


Peace,

Mike G.


On 10/28/2019 2:50 PM, Peter Ulvestad wrote:

Assuming you've logged in, click on Subscription in the left hand list and change your option.

Locked Storage track. #operationspro

 

My layout does not have a staging track in the traditional sense. All cars come on and off the layout via a car float that acts like a active fiddle yard. I have set up the barge as a Interchange/ classification track. Then have a train ¡°five finger shuffle¡± take the cars from the Barge track to one of three other I/C tracks labeled Drawer 1, 2 and 3. I also have one spur that is where al my custom loads either originate or end their journey. I took all the foreign road cars and put the ¡°return when empty to (their drawer #)¡° this seemed to work fine cars with loads would go to the spur and then their drawer. But no car has ever left. Even my home road cars with custom loads go to the spur and then go to a random drawer and that¡¯s where they die. I have tried to manually put destinations on to the cars. But they never leave the interchange/classification track. Do you have any suggestions on how to make this work or a better way of cycling unneeded cars off the layout?
Locked Re: Change email preferences

 

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Locked Change email preferences

 

Greetings,
I like the new group location. However, I do not find the email receipt options either under preferences, nor account. Can you point me to them using groups.io?

Peace,
Mike G.
Locked Re: Car Weights #operationspro

 

I'm not sure if you're confusing car capacity for car total gross weight.? Your chart shows the lowest capacity for a boxcar at 80 tons, most at 100 tons.? You need to add the car's empty weight to the car's capacity to get maximum gross weight, (which isn't quite true, but close enough, you should use load limit).? Anyway, I don't see the value of "accurate" load weights for model cars, as long as the gross weight provided by the program is reasonable, the train manifest will look plausible.

Dan
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