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Sorry but that person had been asking the same question for three days and I
didn't appreciate his condescending attitude. I answered the question every
time and each time his answers got snarkier and snarkier. So maybe you
should be chastising him.



Martin Ozolins

<mailto:mdozolins@...> mdozolins@...

(760)405 4812



"Fortune favors the prepared mind" - Louis Pasteur



From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 20:45
To: Martin Ozolins mdozolins@... [jmriusers]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] JMRI - NCE Block Detection






On Jun 8, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Martin Ozolins mdozolins@... [jmriusers]
<jmriusers@...> wrote:

If you had read my initial post instead of trying to prove your

superiority

you would know the answer.

(Just to you, not on list)

Be careful. People are trying to help you. If you don't like that, don't
foul our nest, just go elsewhere for the help you want.

Bob
--
Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...

On Jun 8, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Martin Ozolins mdozolins@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:

If you had read my initial post instead of trying to prove your superiority
you would know the answer.

(Just to you, not on list)

Be careful. People are trying to help you. If you don't like that, don't foul our nest, just go elsewhere for the help you want.

Bob
--
Bob Jacobsen
rgj1927@...

If you had read my initial post instead of trying to prove your superiority
you would know the answer.



Flashes momentarily, just like the JMRI sensors that flash momentarily. As
the trains cross the block gaps.





Martin Ozolins

<mailto:mdozolins@...> mdozolins@...

(760)405 4812



"Fortune favors the prepared mind" - Louis Pasteur



From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 19:39
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Re: JMRI - NCE Block Detection





You still have not answered the question! I'll ask it again:

With JMRI not running, do the indicator lights on the AIU come on and stay

on when the train enters a block section, or do they just flash as you enter
and leave?

There are only two possible answers:

1) The indicator light on the AIU comes on and stays on until the train
leaves the block section.

2) The indicator light on the AIU does not stay on all the time the train is
in the block section.

What is your answer? Is it 1) or 2)?
--
Dave in Australia

On 09/06/2014, at 12:10 PM, "Martin Ozolins mdozolins@...
[jmriusers]"<jmriusers@...> wrote:

There is no difference either way hence there results were the same.

--- Original Message ---

From: "Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers]" <jmriusers@...>
Sent: June 8, 2014 6:20 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Re: JMRI - NCE Block Detection

We still don't know the answer to this vital question; With JMRI not

running, do the indicator lights on the AIU come on and stay on when the
train enters a block section, or do they just flash as you enter and leave?

Ken



I measured AC voltage at the output of the DC20, 9V unoccupied, drops to 9
Volt triggerd, then Immediately returns to 9V.

DC is about 4V nominal, drops to .3 volts, then back to 4v immediately.



Confirmed from two differend BD20s.



Martin Ozolins

<mailto:mdozolins@...> mdozolins@...

(760)405 4812



"Fortune favors the prepared mind" - Louis Pasteur



From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 18:05
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: RE: [jmriusers] Re: JMRI - NCE Block Detection





Both of your systems should work ok with the AIU. But if the PowerCab has
the chip issue it may need the 100K resistor fix so it will work with other
devices. That would be if it was kind of new.

Another test idea is to not use the BD20's but just a jumper wire from the
common on the AIU to the different pins and see if those show as a steady
sensor input. This would let you confirm if the AIU and JMRI panel are
working right.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

www.jmri.org

www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org

www.cnymod.com

www.syracusemodelrr.org

You still have not answered the question! I'll ask it again:

With JMRI not running, do the indicator lights on the AIU come on and stay on when the train enters a block section, or do they just flash as you enter and leave?

There are only two possible answers:

1) The indicator light on the AIU comes on and stays on until the train leaves the block section.

2) The indicator light on the AIU does not stay on all the time the train is in the block section.

What is your answer? Is it 1) or 2)?
--
Dave in Australia

On 09/06/2014, at 12:10 PM, "Martin Ozolins mdozolins@... [jmriusers]"<jmriusers@...> wrote:

There is no difference either way hence there results were the same.

--- Original Message ---

From: "Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers]" <jmriusers@...>
Sent: June 8, 2014 6:20 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Re: JMRI - NCE Block Detection

We still don't know the answer to this vital question; With JMRI not running, do the indicator lights on the AIU come on and stay on when the train enters a block section, or do they just flash as you enter and leave?

There is no difference either way hence there results were the same.

Ill give that a try

We still don't know the answer to this vital question; With JMRI not running, do the indicator lights on the AIU come on and stay on when the train enters a block section, or do they just flash as you enter and leave?

Until we know that, we are wasting lots of time.
--
Dave in Australia

Both of your systems should work ok with the AIU. But if the PowerCab has
the chip issue it may need the 100K resistor fix so it will work with other
devices. That would be if it was kind of new.



Another test idea is to not use the BD20's but just a jumper wire from the
common on the AIU to the different pins and see if those show as a steady
sensor input. This would let you confirm if the AIU and JMRI panel are
working right.



-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

www.jmri.org

www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org

www.cnymod.com

www.syracusemodelrr.org

My powecab is 1.65, but when connected to an SB5 it becomes. A power cab. The SB5 is the command station.

Compareing debounced data to raw might provide.an answer

The SB5 uses the V1.65 software used in a V1.65 Power Cab. The SB3(a) uses the V1.28 software used in a V1.28 Power Cab (both can be upgraded to V1.65).

For a number of reasons, the Mini Panel is not the best device for monitoring block sections.

Please respond to the original question; With JMRI not running, do the indicator lights on the AIU come on and stay on when the train enters a block section, or do they just flash as you enter and leave?

If you answer this question, you will avoid wasting a lot of time trying to help you.
--
Dave in Australia

David,

Glad the clock is working out for you. I'll post here when the production version is released on the Play Store, you'll want to load it at that time.


DecoderPro and PanelPro use different preferences, so you should also compare the eStop timeout in each (Preferences, WiThrottle, Seconds until eStop). That value is what EngineDriver uses as its "heartbeat" with the server.

I've kept the DebounceSensor script around for cases where you need to
debounce sensors but still have access to the 'raw' status. Tumble down and
direction sensing logic has some tricks (google traffic direction stick
relay) where looking at the raw status while also looking at the signals and
the 'delayed' by the debounce are kind of cool.



-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

www.jmri.org

www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org

www.cnymod.com

www.syracusemodelrr.org

Martin,



The reason the Linux directory for user stuff is a 'dot' directory is that
is standard for Linux on where you place the 'application settings'.



I would suggest setting up a test track with just two blocks and the BD20's
going to the AIU. See if the right LEDs come on and stay on. No JMRI
connected. This will help you fiddle with the sensitivity.



Which version of the PowerCab software do you have?? Is it the 1.65 or
1.28??



-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

www.jmri.org

www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org

www.cnymod.com

www.syracusemodelrr.org

The SB5 is a.different animal. It does read.the AIU

. I haven't read any thing in the mini panel documents that would prevent it reporting multiple sensors back to JMRI. It is worth an experiment to empirically know one way or another.


Martin

To: jmriusers@...
From: jmriusers@...
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 06:52:08 +1000
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] JMRI - NCE Block Detection


























Power Cab V1.28 does not support AIU commands. Power Cab V1.65 does. The SB5 uses V1.65 firmware.



Mini Panel is not suitable for multiple block detection. AIU is the correct device to use.



You need to isolate the problem to hardware or software.



You need to shut down JMRI and just watch the indicator LEDs on the AIU. If they only flash once and do not stay on, you have a problem with the detection side of things. If they stay on all the time there is a train in the block, you have a software problem.
--

Dave in Australia



On 09/06/2014, at 12:17 AM, "Martin Ozolins mdozolins@... [jmriusers]"<jmriusers@...> wrote:

The AIU definitely didn't work with the PowerCab it's been

better since I switched to the SB5 System in JMRI preferences. I also

have a mini panel from NCE to try out, that may be more viable than the AIU.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Steve,
I've tried the test version of ED2.9. The clock on the title bar does
the job nicely.

The error message was /Warning: No response from Withrottle server for
10 seconds. Verify connection./
Whilst this sounds like a network connectivity issue, it happened
consistently while running WiThrottle from PanelPro but consistently not
while running WiThrottle from DecoderPro3. This could just be
coincidence but in my years of working in IT, I've found coincidences do
occur but common denominators are far more likely.

My refresh rate was the default 5 seconds. I will explore that and the
suggestions from others the next opportunity I have on my friend's layout.

Thanks again. David.

Hi Tech Suppert



Trying to upload a bug request relating to undeleted Signal Mast Logic but
my e-mail address appears invalid - but is not.



What procedure to use now?



Regards



Doug in Nottingham

Power Cab V1.28 does not support AIU commands. Power Cab V1.65 does. The SB5 uses V1.65 firmware.

Mini Panel is not suitable for multiple block detection. AIU is the correct device to use.

You need to isolate the problem to hardware or software.

You need to shut down JMRI and just watch the indicator LEDs on the AIU. If they only flash once and do not stay on, you have a problem with the detection side of things. If they stay on all the time there is a train in the block, you have a software problem.
--
Dave in Australia

Doug,

There is a sensor debounce facility now built into JMRI, in the sensor table, there is a tick button at the bottom of the screen label "Show Sensor Debounce Information", once that is selected you can set up the debounce timers for each sensor, or set them to use the Global option which can be configured under the "Defaults" menu item.

Regards
Kevin

---In jmriusers@..., <mdozolins@...> wrote :

I'm still working on the panels. They work after a fashion. I was doing
some searches on "no neighbor error, because that and delay timer errors are
pouring into the logs. I came across a script that I believe you wrote.
DebounceSensor.py, I think that may help clean up some of the issues. Do
you have a howto sheet for that?

Hi Dick



Try the below link. Do a search on Stringline diagrams. Stringline diagram
2 is the latest one.





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From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 9:16 AM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: [jmriusers] String-line diagram





I have seen posted on this list reference to XL files for a string-line
diagram. Can somebody direct me to those files?

Thanks,

Dick Roberts