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Re: Question about sound only decoders
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The definitions are made based on Information provided. CV223 is not in the manuals for the MP15AC
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On 8/30/2024 10:02 AM, Jerry Michels wrote: I hope this is the right group to ask these questions. If not, please excuse the post,
I am monitoring our Digitrax system with Decoder Pro's Monitor Loconet feature. I am getting some curious output and would be interested in comments from members:
"19:46:07.715: Query Tetherless Receivers.
19:46:07.730: UR90 Responding with LocoNet ID 7.
19:46:07.749: UR92 Responding with LocoNet ID 7, duplex enabled."
We don't have any UR90s on the layout. Are you SURE there isn't a UR90 installed? That message sure looks like a UR90 identity message... BTW, when looking at the LocoNet Monitor, one cannot really know how many UR92s or UR93s are on LocoNet solely from the replies to the "Query Tetherless Receivers" message. It is a _Digitrax firmware choice_ that two or more UR92 devices can respond at the same time, and that two or more UR93 devices cat respond at the same time. So one cannot use that message set to "count" tetherless receivers. (There are other LocoNet messages that can be used, though.) In general, it is difficult to understand a LocoNet message without the context... "19:46:09.491: Device type report - SE8C Board ID 87 Version 3 is present.
19:46:09.506: Device type report - DS64 Board ID 125 Version 3 is present."
We don't have either device on the layout. The message says otherwise, but one needs to see the _full_ LocoNet Monitor log, with Raw Hex Data, to understand _why_ the log even _has_ this info... In general, it is difficult to understand a LocoNet message without the context... This type of message is one that is seen when certain software attenpts to "find" certain types of devices, like DS64's, PM4x's, SE8C's, and BDL16x's. And it also happens when someone has ignored the idea that one should _not_ leave _any_ DS64, PM4x, SE8C, and BDL16 at "Board ID" 1 (the "default" setting for these types of devices), and attempted to "read" OpSw 1's value from PM4x at "Board ID" 1. "19:46:28.844: LONG_ACK: Function not implemented, no reply will follow."
What does this mean? Exactly what it says. But without some context, we cannot guess! In some cases, Digitrax _intentionally_ responds with this message, to say "yeah, I took note of the request message, and I am not going to respond otherwise". This is entirely adequate for many cases, but that message is _only_ useful when shown with the _previous_ message! In general, it is difficult to understand a LocoNet message without the context... "19:46:35.805: Reported Duplex Group Name="ARM-DPLX", Password=00000000, Channel=20, ID=0.
19:46:36.030: Reported Duplex Group Name="ARM_DPLX", Password=00000000, Channel=21, ID=7."
This look very odd, it is reporting the duplex group as on channel 20 with ID 0 and then channel 21 with ID 7 in less that a second.
"19:46:36.149: Reported Duplex Group Name="ARM_DPLX", Password=00000000, Channel=21, ID=7.
19:46:36.181: Reported Duplex Group Name="ARM_DPLX", Password=00000000, Channel=21, ID=7." It turns out that Digitrax' UP92 and UR93 firmware "automatically" corrects dis-similar Duples Network information, _in some situations_. I would _guess_ that you happened to run across one of those situations. The first two messages clearly show the discrepancy - I first noticed discrepancies between the "Network Name". The second two messages show the two UR92/UR93 device messages with identical network names. But since you have not shown the _whole_ LocoNet Monitor Log, and you wave _not_ showm the "Raw Hex Data", we cannot tell _how_ the change took place... I would have expected a LocoNet message (or perhaps 4 different messages) to "force" the "Network Identity" data. In general, it is difficult to understand a LocoNet message without the context... Then again in a fraction of a second the system again shows channel 21 ID 7. Our system is set to channel 21, so this looks correct, but why such repetition? In general, it is difficult to understand a LocoNet message without the context... "19:46:36.060: Unable to parse LocoNet message. contents: D7 22 00 0F 20 25"
I think this has been asked before, but what does this mean? The system reports finding our UR91s and a single UR92, but not two UR93s we have installed. Is this something our JMRI version is not able to do? JMRI "doesn't know" how to interpret this message. Bit I think I know what it is - I believe it is a UR93 "Tetherless Receiver Report" message. Why isn't this properly interpred? I certainly don't know. (I find it curious that "someone" has added some recent Digitrax support for UR93 messages, but not this one. "Bad JMRI developers!") "19:46:46.685: Sensor LS193 is High
19:46:47.024: Sensor LS193 is Low
19:46:48.630: Sensor LS193 is High
19:46:48.907: Sensor LS193 is Low"
This repeats endlessly, Is there any way to figure out what this sensor is? Nope, not from the "log". Perhaps there is some useful info in the log, but probably not. With many different LocoNet devices, there is _no way_ to difinitively determine which "Sensor" was from which device. The best way is to determine _each_ Loconet device, and determine _which_ features it implements, and _which_ addresses the device implements. THIS IS GENERALLY A BIG PROBLEM. It is FAR easier to document the hardware _when the hardware is installed_. I would _guess_ that some LocoNet device which implements "LS193" happens to have some "input" wiring that happens to be routed too close to other wiring, or "too far" from its "reference connection". General rules for low-voltage signals apply, and _something_ seems to have violated them. None of our UR5 panel are powered, so that doesn't seem to be the source. We have 8 BXP88s installed, but these are set up to sense blocks 1-64. Ther are occasional odd sensor reports, I have no idea why, but they seem to happen at startup and then go away:
"19:46:10.750: Sensor LS8 is Low
19:46:10.766: Sensor LS8 is Low
19:46:10.830: Sensor LS8 is Low
19:46:10.845: Sensor LS8 is Low
19:46:10.879: Sensor LS3778 is Low (3778?)
19:46:28.602: Sensor LS387 is High
19:46:28.602: Sensor LS8 is High
19:46:28.747: Sensor LS2 is High
19:46:38.792: Sensor LS2 is Low
19:46:39.846: Sensor LS2 is High" (Do NOT leave _anything_ near address 0. Really. Move them away. This is _critical_ for identifying boards that have gotten "Reset"!) Which device does _each_ of the sensors map to? What _type_ of device is each one? If you cannot determine that, then "gods help you"... Regards, Billybob
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Kirk,
JMRI always uses a fraction from 0 to 1 for the throttle speed.
Daniel
On 2024-08-30 17:39, Kirk Ervin wrote:
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In the scripts when setting the speeds on the throttle,
setSpeedSetting is given a fraction from 0 to 1 for the speed.
If I set the NMRA_DCC_28 command must I change the parameters
to setSpeedSettings from 1 to 28?
Kirk
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It sounds so easy
For all my other turnouts, when I hover in a "control circle" my
mouse pointer changes to a finger. No matter where I hover around
the slip (even it what I think are the ones for the slip) I only
ever get a pointer
Could this be because my turnout control circles are completely
overlapped by track segment circles?
YAYYY - That IS what it was
Now I have a different problem
I edit my slip, changing the options to match what I want the
animation to do
When I click "Done" I get a message telling me that one of my
physical turnouts is already linked to a different panel turnout.
TurnoutA and TurnoutB are both different. If I allow the update to
complete, something is broken as the animation no longer follows
the turnout changes
If I reset things to how they were, edit the slip and hit "Done"
WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING, I still get the "already linked"
message
BUT If I edit, then use the dropdowns to "change" each turnout to
the ONE IT ALREADY HAS, then my edit works just fine
So I am THERE :)
Many thanks
Phil G
On 30/08/2024 21:17, Dave Sand via
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Phil,
You need to right click in one of the control circles. ?
You can change the circle size by using "Options ->
Turnout Options -> Set Turnout Circle Size". ?The default is
4. ?I usually use 2. ?The value also controls the other circle
sizes such as track segments. ?This helps in crowded areas.
Dave Sand
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Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Invert ANIMATION in PanelPro??
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 3:10 PM
Yeah, I have a blue box upper left of the slip when I go into
edit mode (and I have to zoom in to see the slip in amongst
all the other track segments
But what do I click on to bring up the Edit Slip window?
Anywhere I click seems to just animate the turnout(s) - and
right-clicking seems to think everything is "Mainline"
Phil G
On 30/08/2024 20:38, Dave Sand
via groups.io wrote:
Phil,
I assume that you rotated the double slip image so that
the magenta/blue connection box is now upper left.
Use the edit dialog to change the turnouts.
Make the top row Thrown and the third row Closed.
Dave Sand
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Subject: [jmriusers] Invert ANIMATION in PanelPro??
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:34 PM
Is it possible to invert/reverse the animation of a
switch in PanelPro?
I have a double switch which, because of the orientation,
shows in?
PanelPro as the through main route being THROWN not
CLOSED - which puts?
it at odds with every other turnout on my layout
It's a little difficult to explain without a double slip
to point at,?
but if you imagine that one "leg" goes horizontal, and
the second goes?
from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock across horizontal. The
horizontal legs are?
my main route, but are only animated that way if I THROW
the respective?
switches not CLOSE them
If I reverse the turnouts, then the animation no longer
matches the?
turnout positions at all
Hope this makes sense
Phil G
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Much appreciated
Thanks
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On 30/08/2024 21:40, Dave Sand via groups.io wrote: Phil,
After you do the update, a confirmation is displayed near the bottom of the window. The system name and user name are removed from the window. If you try to make another change, a "missing system name" error message is displayed near the bottom of the window.
I can add this to my TODO list.
Dave Sand
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From: Phil G <phil@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Editing a route - user name disappears
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 3:24 PM
I've been doing the same, but it just feels wrong
If I continue editing will the username really disappear??
Phil G
On 30/08/2024 21:19, Dave Sand via groups.io wrote:
Phil,
After I do the update I do a cancel.
The Routes table has always been kind of weird in how it manages windows.
Dave Sand
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From: Phil G <phil@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Editing a route - user name disappears
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:17 PM
I've just noticed that when I edit a route, when I hit "Update" to
commit my update, the user name field is blanked!
The user name has NOT gone however, as when I quit the edit it's still there
But it's disconcerting to say the least
JMRI 5.7.2
Phil G
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Phil,
After you do the update, a confirmation is displayed near the bottom of the window. The system name and user name are removed from the window. If you try to make another change, a "missing system name" error message is displayed near the bottom of the window.
I can add this to my TODO list.
Dave Sand
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----- Original message ----- From: Phil G <phil@...> To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Editing a route - user name disappears Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 3:24 PM I've been doing the same, but it just feels wrong If I continue editing will the username really disappear?? Phil G On 30/08/2024 21:19, Dave Sand via groups.io wrote: Phil,
After I do the update I do a cancel.
The Routes table has always been kind of weird in how it manages windows.
Dave Sand
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From: Phil G <phil@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Editing a route - user name disappears
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:17 PM
I've just noticed that when I edit a route, when I hit "Update" to
commit my update, the user name field is blanked!
The user name has NOT gone however, as when I quit the edit it's still there
But it's disconcerting to say the least
JMRI 5.7.2
Phil G
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I've been doing the same, but it just feels wrong
If I continue editing will the username really disappear??
Phil G
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On 30/08/2024 21:19, Dave Sand via groups.io wrote: Phil,
After I do the update I do a cancel.
The Routes table has always been kind of weird in how it manages windows.
Dave Sand
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From: Phil G <phil@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] Editing a route - user name disappears
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:17 PM
I've just noticed that when I edit a route, when I hit "Update" to
commit my update, the user name field is blanked!
The user name has NOT gone however, as when I quit the edit it's still there
But it's disconcerting to say the least
JMRI 5.7.2
Phil G
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Phil,
After I do the update I do a cancel.
The Routes table has always been kind of weird in how it manages windows.
Dave Sand
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----- Original message ----- From: Phil G <phil@...> To: [email protected]Subject: [jmriusers] Editing a route - user name disappears Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:17 PM I've just noticed that when I edit a route, when I hit "Update" to commit my update, the user name field is blanked! The user name has NOT gone however, as when I quit the edit it's still there But it's disconcerting to say the least JMRI 5.7.2 Phil G
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Phil,
You need to right click in one of the control circles. ?
You can change the circle size by using "Options -> Turnout Options -> Set Turnout Circle Size". ?The default is 4. ?I usually use 2. ?The value also controls the other circle sizes such as track segments. ?This helps in crowded areas.
Dave Sand
----- Original message -----
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Invert ANIMATION in PanelPro??
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 3:10 PM
Yeah, I have a blue box upper left of the slip when I go into
edit mode (and I have to zoom in to see the slip in amongst all
the other track segments
But what do I click on to bring up the Edit Slip window? Anywhere
I click seems to just animate the turnout(s) - and right-clicking
seems to think everything is "Mainline"
Phil G
On 30/08/2024 20:38, Dave Sand via
groups.io wrote:
Phil,
I assume that you rotated the double slip image so that the
magenta/blue connection box is now upper left.
Use the edit dialog to change the turnouts.
Make the top row Thrown and the third row Closed.
Dave Sand
----- Original message -----
Subject: [jmriusers] Invert ANIMATION in PanelPro??
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:34 PM
Is it possible to invert/reverse the animation of a switch in
PanelPro?
I have a double switch which, because of the orientation,
shows in?
PanelPro as the through main route being THROWN not CLOSED -
which puts?
it at odds with every other turnout on my layout
It's a little difficult to explain without a double slip to
point at,?
but if you imagine that one "leg" goes horizontal, and the
second goes?
from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock across horizontal. The
horizontal legs are?
my main route, but are only animated that way if I THROW the
respective?
switches not CLOSE them
If I reverse the turnouts, then the animation no longer
matches the?
turnout positions at all
Hope this makes sense
Phil G
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Yeah, I have a blue box upper left of the slip when I go into
edit mode (and I have to zoom in to see the slip in amongst all
the other track segments
But what do I click on to bring up the Edit Slip window? Anywhere
I click seems to just animate the turnout(s) - and right-clicking
seems to think everything is "Mainline"
Phil G
On 30/08/2024 20:38, Dave Sand via
groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Phil,
I assume that you rotated the double slip image so that the
magenta/blue connection box is now upper left.
Use the edit dialog to change the turnouts.
Make the top row Thrown and the third row Closed.
Dave Sand
----- Original message -----
Subject: [jmriusers] Invert ANIMATION in PanelPro??
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:34 PM
Is it possible to invert/reverse the animation of a switch in
PanelPro?
I have a double switch which, because of the orientation,
shows in?
PanelPro as the through main route being THROWN not CLOSED -
which puts?
it at odds with every other turnout on my layout
It's a little difficult to explain without a double slip to
point at,?
but if you imagine that one "leg" goes horizontal, and the
second goes?
from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock across horizontal. The
horizontal legs are?
my main route, but are only animated that way if I THROW the
respective?
switches not CLOSE them
If I reverse the turnouts, then the animation no longer
matches the?
turnout positions at all
Hope this makes sense
Phil G
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I have been working on some of my fleet and I noticed that my Athearn Genesis MP15ACs were under the TSU2 21 pin board, but JMRI has updated to include those from factory so I redid them, and I have found that engine pitch is missing on the sounds tab. This must be an oversight and just simply missed since this is a factory function for some time.
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Here is the one listed as TSU-21PNEM8 EMD-2 Diesels
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Here is the TSU2-21PNEM8 MP15AC 3
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I did check and update to JMRI 5.8 as well before posting. There is 4 variations of the MP15 listed, and none of them have the Prime Mover pitch.?
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I disagree about wires between loco and tender. I’m in HOn3 and have many
locos with 7,8,9, or even 10 wires between locos and tender with tiny
plugs, no problems at all.
Mick
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Phil,
I assume that you rotated the double slip image so that the magenta/blue connection box is now upper left.
Use the edit dialog to change the turnouts.
Make the top row Thrown and the third row Closed.
Dave Sand
----- Original message -----
Subject: [jmriusers] Invert ANIMATION in PanelPro??
Date: Friday, August 30, 2024 1:34 PM
Is it possible to invert/reverse the animation of a switch in PanelPro?
I have a double switch which, because of the orientation, shows in?
PanelPro as the through main route being THROWN not CLOSED - which puts?
it at odds with every other turnout on my layout
It's a little difficult to explain without a double slip to point at,?
but if you imagine that one "leg" goes horizontal, and the second goes?
from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock across horizontal. The horizontal legs are?
my main route, but are only animated that way if I THROW the respective?
switches not CLOSE them
If I reverse the turnouts, then the animation no longer matches the?
turnout positions at all
Hope this makes sense
Phil G
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Re: Question about sound only decoders
It's really nothing to do with JMRI, rather it's an issue with the decoder and your DCC system.
JMRI cannot make hardware do what it was not designed to do.
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Peter Ulvestad
JMRI Users Group Moderator ( )
Tam Valley Group Moderator ( )
Sprog-DCC Group Moderator ( )
Edmonton Model Railroad Association ( )
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Is it possible to invert/reverse the animation of a switch in PanelPro?
I have a double switch which, because of the orientation, shows in PanelPro as the through main route being THROWN not CLOSED - which puts it at odds with every other turnout on my layout
It's a little difficult to explain without a double slip to point at, but if you imagine that one "leg" goes horizontal, and the second goes from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock across horizontal. The horizontal legs are my main route, but are only animated that way if I THROW the respective switches not CLOSE them
If I reverse the turnouts, then the animation no longer matches the turnout positions at all
Hope this makes sense
Phil G
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 01:46 PM, Gord King wrote:
The problem is that it will not 'build' one particular train after I have set and saved cars and loco to build the train with.?
I would examine the train's build report in very detailed mode to understand why it didn't build.? Post the build report if you want our help to understand why there's a failure.
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Dan
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I've just noticed that when I edit a route, when I hit "Update" to commit my update, the user name field is blanked!
The user name has NOT gone however, as when I quit the edit it's still there
But it's disconcerting to say the least
JMRI 5.7.2
Phil G
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I must add that soundtraxx responded.? They said to use CV 217 to disable the BEMF.
But as far as JMRI and Decoder Pro, I still will not be able to use that for programming unless I add the motor.? Is that correct?
Let me add that I am using a Raspberry Pi 4 to run JMRI with an interface to an Arduino running DCC-EX.? Would that limit the programming of JMRI?
On Friday, August 30, 2024, danielb987 via <jmri= [email protected]> wrote:
Ken,
Apologies for the spelling error.
For small engines, four wires between the loco and the tender can
be a problem.
Daniel
On 2024-08-30 16:20, danielb987 wrote:
Ken,
For small engines, for wires between the loco and the tender
can be a problem.
Daniel
On 2024-08-30 15:52, Ken Moordigian
via wrote:
Am I the only one asking the obvious question?
A "decent" sound decoder would be able to handle the motor
requirements of the locomotive.?
Why buy a non sound decoder for the motor then a second
decoder for the sound system?
If it's a question of wires between the tender and engine
there are plug harness's small enough and available...
Would an accessory decoder be more appropriate if truly
required?
Better sound quality would be more a function of a better
speaker, enclosure, and location than other factors, would it
not?
What am I missing?
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Ken Moordigian
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Hi Dan,
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OK, I've completed your previous instructions, and have been using the program with new config and data file, and the program is now performing properly except for one problem.
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The problem is that it will not 'build' one particular train after I have set and saved cars and loco to build the train with.? On restart the changes I made for the cars and loco for this train are still there, but it will not 'build' the train.? Should I delete this train and rebuild from scratch???
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I am using the new data file, but I am going to keep the old data file until I have used the program for awhile just to make sure I've transferred all the data I need.
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Thanks Gord
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Peter Ulvestad