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Re: JMRI / DCS240 set up question and why so slow?
I think I now understand better why you have trouble with the logic of the download page instructions. Thanks again for the suggestions. As to speed: Yes, there are hardware limits to how fast CVs can read. Since DecoderPro is software that uses that same hardware, it¡¯s not any faster. You shouldn¡¯t expect it to be. Instead of trying to use DecoderPro in ways that it can¡¯t improve, please think about how to use it in ways that work well: keep track of those values so you don¡¯t have to read them from the decoder. Many people only ever do a full read of page once; some do it never at all. Instead they just write the things that they¡¯ve changed. Depending on the decoder, you might be able to use other programming modes that are faster. (You¡¯ve assumption that the time is due to processor speed is wrong; it¡¯s due to the time it takes to communicate over a slow DCC signal, so different forms of DCC packets can speed that up) For example, if the decoder can handle it (most do), Direct Mode is almost always faster than Paged Mode. Bob On Dec 21, 2018, at 11:28 AM, tooooons@... wrote:
Thanks for the replies. It turns out I had installed an older version, 2.14 unknowingly. The user experience of the download page has some serious confusion for first time users. I've since made a recommendation on the language.
As for slowness, it's still slow with JMRI 4.12 and Digitrax DCS240 selected. If the internet was ever this slow it never would have taken off. I mean, reading/writing millions of bits in a matter of seconds over thousands of miles of cable is where we are at today. The JMRI/Digitrax set up takes almost 10 seconds to read and display a page with only 8 settings with two total feet of conductor wire.
Digitrax was always slow to respond when programming directly with the controller, meaning no JMRI involvement at all. So I guess this may be just a Digitrax thing. These command stations could use Atom processors or something if computer-operated setups are going to thrive and grow.
Happy holidays everyone. -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Re: Horn Function Kills Throttle
Address 127?
Try address 70. (Anything under 100)
Odd and strange things with consist or short address between 100 and 127.
Thomas
DeSoto, TX
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Re: EDGE CONNECTORS BETWEEN PANELS
Dave,
It may not require 4.13.7, that is what I used for testing.
BTW: 4.14 will be available soon.
Dave Sand
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On Dec 21, 2018, at 2:53 PM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for the new data. I will need to upgrade to 4.13.7 before I do anything more. I¡¯ll follow your suggestions and see how we get on.
Dave
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On 21 Dec 2018, at 19:17, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
Dave,
I am able to make several connections between Newton Abbot East and Newton Abbot West using JMRI 4.13.7.
The requirement is that the edge connectors on both sides need to be yellow. Red ones do not show up in the list.
I use the following steps to fix red edge connectors:
? Make note of the block name
? Remove the track segment
? Add the track segment
? Set the block name
If that does not work, you may need to remove and add a new edge connector after removing the track segment. DO NOT remove an edge connector that has a track segment attached. There appears to be a bug that leaves behind an orphan track segment that will create XML errors during subsequent starts.
I will have to research the red edge connector issue later.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
I hope that the spreadsheet will be helpful in bottoming out problem.
I have been playing with my copy all day but to no avail I regret to say.
However, a comment on another JMRI forum set me thinking and I put my thoughts into my reply earlier this afternoon. I hope that my thoughts may open up a new train of thinking.
May I take this opportunity to wish you and all members of the team a very happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year to come.
Best regards.
Dave
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On 21 Dec 2018, at 17:09, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
Dave,
Yes, the spreadsheet would be helpful.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:24 AM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Uploaded file last night. I have an Excel listing of all 36 EC's on the layout naming the Block Names that they are associated with if this will help?
Dave
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Re: EDGE CONNECTORS BETWEEN PANELS
Dave, Thanks for the new data. I will need to upgrade to 4.13.7 before I do anything more. I¡¯ll follow your suggestions and see how we get on.
Dave
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On 21 Dec 2018, at 19:17, Dave Sand < ds@...> wrote: Dave,
I am able to make several connections between Newton Abbot East and Newton Abbot West using JMRI 4.13.7.
The requirement is that the edge connectors on both sides need to be yellow. ?Red ones do not show up in the list.
I use the following steps to fix red edge connectors: - Make note of the block name
- Remove the track segment
- Add the track segment
- Set the block name
If that does not work, you may need to remove and add a new edge connector after removing the track segment. ?DO NOT remove an edge connector that has a track segment attached. ?There appears to be a bug that leaves behind an orphan track segment that will create XML errors during subsequent starts.
I will have to research the red edge connector issue later.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
I hope that the spreadsheet will be helpful in bottoming out problem.
I have been playing with my copy all day but to no avail I regret to say.
However, a comment on another JMRI forum set me thinking and I put my thoughts into my reply earlier this afternoon. I hope that my thoughts may?open up a new train of thinking.
May I take this opportunity to wish you and all members of the team a very happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year to come.
Best regards.
Dave
- Dave
On 21 Dec 2018, at 17:09, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
Dave,
Yes, the spreadsheet would be helpful.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:24 AM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Uploaded file last night. I have an Excel listing of all 36 EC's on the layout naming the Block Names that they are associated with if this will help?
Dave
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Sorry slip of the fingers!? Indeed '\n'.? I was trying to align things by inserting '\n' before some times to make it appear either at the top or the bottom of a box which can contain 2 lines under certain circumstances.? I need to check my logic - I don't think there is anything else wrong.
I would be grateful for your basic structure and I am sure that will ease the problem.? Actually I don't mind how it is done - but clearly using what I already have as a basis may be best.
In case we don't exchange messages again for a while - I set of travelling on Sunday - may you have a Happy Christmas and I look forward to a mutually beneficial New Year.
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Horn Function Kills Throttle
I am running JMRI on an HP laptop connected to my PowerCab and SB5 via an NCE USB adapter.
I have set up all of my locomotives and can run them individually with no problems using the throttle in DecoderPro.
My problem is when I try to use the Consisting Tool.? I set up an advanced consist on my PowerCab with an address of 127 and the consist runs fine using the PowerCab as a throttle.? When I enter the same consist into the Consisting Tool and try to run it with the DecoderPro throttle everything works fine with the exception of the Horn functions.? As soon as I press the Horn or Short Horn buttons it kills the throttle.
Can anyone give me some suggestions as to why this is happening?
Thanks
Gary
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Iain,
The /n is actually \n (back slash).
The Constructors section of the Javadoc shows how to create an item. ?The set methods are used to modify an item. ?The items have to be created in the proper order because dependent items contain the parent IDs. ?
What is the current structure of the main timetable? ? Is it an image or a spreadsheet? ?I assume you want to add the new trains to the existing layout using the other station list.
It is not necessary to set the arrive and depart times. ?During a mass load, the calculation process can be disabled to prevent a lot of error messages. ?Once the load has finished, the calculation process is enabled and a small change is made to trigger the calculations.
I will create a basic structure that you can work with to load your data. ?This will also be the prototype for a general purpose import that will be added to the Java code.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:51 AM, Iain <iain@...> wrote:
I have spent a little time doing the two things I mentioned above in 154753. ?All is well but I seem to be having some trouble with my '/n' not always?(apparently) working. ?Obviously a bug but not urgent.
I have been looking at getting my main timetable into the system - but it just isn't possible unless I hire some monkeys to put in some 2000 entries or?more sensibly create a data take on system which will take in a csv and write out the required data structure. ?I note that there are set routines like the?get routines. ?Would these write brand new records or only update old ones? ?I need to be able to create data structures and write them or maybe not -?do I just create an xml file?
I would assume I would need to do the calculations and set (for example) the stop arrive and depart time which ever was the right approach.
Christmas is here and I will be very busy on other things for most of January - but some guidance would be most helpful so I can progress things over?the next few months. ?My objective again is to produce a general purpose tool not just to read in my data. ?I have put a sample spreadsheet of what I?mean as data take on in the file space.
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Re: EDGE CONNECTORS BETWEEN PANELS
Dave,
I am able to make several connections between Newton Abbot East and Newton Abbot West using JMRI 4.13.7.
The requirement is that the edge connectors on both sides need to be yellow. ?Red ones do not show up in the list.
I use the following steps to fix red edge connectors: - Make note of the block name
- Remove the track segment
- Add the track segment
- Set the block name
If that does not work, you may need to remove and add a new edge connector after removing the track segment. ?DO NOT remove an edge connector that has a track segment attached. ?There appears to be a bug that leaves behind an orphan track segment that will create XML errors during subsequent starts.
I will have to research the red edge connector issue later.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
I hope that the spreadsheet will be helpful in bottoming out problem.
I have been playing with my copy all day but to no avail I regret to say.
However, a comment on another JMRI forum set me thinking and I put my thoughts into my reply earlier this afternoon. I hope that my thoughts may?open up a new train of thinking.
May I take this opportunity to wish you and all members of the team a very happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year to come.
Best regards.
Dave
- Dave
On 21 Dec 2018, at 17:09, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
Dave,
Yes, the spreadsheet would be helpful.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:24 AM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Uploaded file last night. I have an Excel listing of all 36 EC's on the layout naming the Block Names that they are associated with if this will help?
Dave
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Re: EDGE CONNECTORS BETWEEN PANELS
Dave,
I hope that the spreadsheet will be helpful in bottoming out problem.
I have been playing with my copy all day but to no avail I regret to say.
However, a comment on another JMRI forum set me thinking and I put my thoughts into my reply earlier this afternoon. I hope that my thoughts may open up a new train of thinking.
May I take this opportunity to wish you and all members of the team a very happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year to come.
Best regards.
Dave
Sent from my iPhone - Dave
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On 21 Dec 2018, at 17:09, Dave Sand <ds@...> wrote:
Dave,
Yes, the spreadsheet would be helpful.
Dave Sand
On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:24 AM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Uploaded file last night. I have an Excel listing of all 36 EC's on the layout naming the Block Names that they are associated with if this will help?
Dave
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Re: New user experience attention for the UX people
Upon re reading and re thinking the concerns posted, my previous suggested wording would still lead to confusion..
So instead,
How about, 'The download links below are for all installs - new and update.? If you are updating from a version prior to x.xx.x, see the data migration steps that may be necessary in the installation notes.'
Maybe that helps? Maybe others see flaws that I may be not thinking of.? Tom Wilson
Colorado Springs, CO
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 10:35 AM Tom Wilson via Groups.Io <thomasthetrainengine= [email protected] wrote: I think it depends on how you interpret what you are reading.? I just went to that page to try to understand what the issue was.??
My interpretation is the first paragraph is addressed to new folks who have never installed and gives them guidance on what to check for system compatibility. And it covers the bases for that group of people.
Then this particular sentence later on that you are referring to is addressed to anyone else wanting to do an upgrade. It is saying you dont have to do an upgrade maeuver, just load this over your previous install. And load only one of the files according to operating system.
Maybe reword it to say 'If you are upgrading from a previous working version .....'?
Not being argumentative, but thats how I read it. Tom Wilson
Colorado Springs, CO Bob, thanks for replying.? Unless there is a very real and specific reason to include it, just remove this entire line:? "If you've previously installed a working version of the program, you only need to download and install one of the files listed here."
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TCS WOW Sound and Function Mapping ??
Hi,
I have a Kato AC4400CW that I have installed a TCS WOW 121 sound decoder. I have removed the light bar for the ditch lights and replaced them 402SMD LEDS one per ditch light. The function map help that I am asking for is this:
I use a NCE Power Cab for programming. I am running JMRI 4.13.7. The WOW audio assist just confuses me.?
I would like the bell to sound when the bell button is pressed on the throttle.?
I would like the horn to function when the horn button is pressed on the throttle.
Is it possible to have the bell sound and the horn sound at the same time when the horn button is pressed?
I don't know this for sure , but the ditch light programming should be the same as the A4X (2 ditch lights) and the A6X (4 ditch lights)
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
William
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Bob: Most software download sites identify packages for new first time installs as "complete" and packages which don't include all auxilliary things like help files as "update". If there's no difference between new install and updating and they offer several versions, they just list the version numbers and sometimes the release dates.
While I have never seen it, when there's no difference between new and update downloads I would also find it comforting to read that it is OK to update by installing a newer version over an older version and also instructions on how to go from a newer to an older version.
Thanks for all your work on JMRI. As a new follower in this group I have come to appreciate how you and a few other stalwarts are crucial to JMRI being as useful and popular as it is. Your programing and technical knowhow is of course essential but your willingness and openness in dealing with users' questions is also a very significant part of JMRI's success. Please keep it up!
Jan
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I think it depends on how you interpret what you are reading.? I just went to that page to try to understand what the issue was.??
My interpretation is the first paragraph is addressed to new folks who have never installed and gives them guidance on what to check for system compatibility. And it covers the bases for that group of people.
Then this particular sentence later on that you are referring to is addressed to anyone else wanting to do an upgrade. It is saying you dont have to do an upgrade maeuver, just load this over your previous install. And load only one of the files according to operating system.
Maybe reword it to say 'If you are upgrading from a previous working version .....'?
Not being argumentative, but thats how I read it. Tom Wilson
Colorado Springs, CO
Bob, thanks for replying.? Unless there is a very real and specific reason to include it, just remove this entire line:? "If you've previously installed a working version of the program, you only need to download and install one of the files listed here."
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Thanks for the replies.?? It turns out I had installed an older version, 2.14 unknowingly.? The user experience of the download page has some serious confusion for first time users.? I've since made a recommendation on the language.
As for slowness, it's still slow with JMRI 4.12 and Digitrax DCS240 selected. ? If the internet was ever this slow it never would have taken off.? I mean, reading/writing millions of bits in a matter of seconds over thousands of miles of cable is where we are at today.? The JMRI/Digitrax set up takes almost 10 seconds to read and display a page with only 8 settings with two total feet of conductor wire.
Digitrax was always slow to respond when programming directly with the controller, meaning no JMRI involvement at all.? So I guess this may be just a Digitrax thing.? These command stations could use Atom processors or something if computer-operated setups are going to thrive and grow.
Happy holidays everyone.
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Dave,
I have uploaded it into the location as the xml file.
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On 21 Dec 2018, at 17:09, Dave Sand < ds@...> wrote:
Dave,Yes, the spreadsheet would be helpful.Dave SandOn Dec 21, 2018, at 3:24 AM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Uploaded file last night. I have an Excel listing of all 36 EC's on the layout naming the Block Names that they are associated with if this will help?
Dave
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Bob, thanks for replying.? Unless there is a very real and specific reason to include it, just remove this entire line:? "If you've previously installed a working version of the program, you only need to download and install one of the files listed here."
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Dave,
Yes, the spreadsheet would be helpful.
Dave Sand
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On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:24 AM, Dave Roberts <dccdaveroberts@...> wrote:
Dave,
Uploaded file last night. I have an Excel listing of all 36 EC's on the layout naming the Block Names that they are associated with if this will help?
Dave
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Re: JMRI software on a laptop remote from layout room
Dave Thomas -
I have seen the Digikeijs DR5000 Digicentral review in the December edition of Model Railroader magazine.? That review narrative stated that NCE compatibility is on the horizon.? What is your estimate of the timeframe for that NCE compatibility update?
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Re: DecoderPro (4.12) IB-Com: Uhelnbrock Switch module 63410 - Help needed 1
Hi Nigel !
Thanks for your help
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Re: DecoderPro (4.12) IB-Com: Uhelnbrock Switch module 63410 - Help needed 1
I doubt it.? The device uses LNCV¡¯s for setup, not conventional CV programming.
The support for LNCVs isn¡¯t fully done, in part because few have the interest to push it to completion, particularly with sketchy manufacturer¡¯s documentation.
I¡¯ve done a little in the past, but not for a while.
Uhlenbrock do some of their ¡°own things¡± with LNCV stuff as well, which makes it more difficult.
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You might be able to set them up using RocRail.?? Or Uhlenbrock will sell you a USB-LocoNet interface and a CD of utilities.?
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Nigel
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Itzik Teboul
Sent: 21 December 2018 15:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: [jmriusers] DecoderPro (4.12) IB-Com: Uhelnbrock Switch module 63410 - Help needed 1
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Is There a way to read/change CV of Uhelnbrock Switch module 63410 (Loconet) using DecoderPro 4.12 ??
Thanks
Itzik
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Bob Jacobsen
William Warren