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Re: JMRI software on a laptop remote from layout room
I will be in the same situation that Stan
has now. I¡¯ve been looking at the US Converters LLC Serial WiFi adapter -
RS232, P/N: WA232E, $67.50, as a simple solution. Is this device a ¡°terminal
server¡±? Does anyone have any experience with this particular Serial WiFi
adapter? It seems it would be a fairly straightforward solution within a WiFi
environment.
That looks (at first glance) like a terminal server as JMRI uses the term.? ?I have no experience with this specific device.
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Re: JMRI software on a laptop remote from layout room
I will be in the same situation that Stan
has now. I¡¯ve been looking at the US Converters LLC Serial WiFi adapter -
RS232, P/N: WA232E, $67.50, as a simple solution. Is this device a ¡°terminal
server¡±? Does anyone have any experience with this particular Serial WiFi
adapter? It seems it would be a fairly straightforward solution within a WiFi
environment.
?
Greg
Komar
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decisive. Right or wrong, make a decision. The road of life is paved with flat
squirrels who couldn't make a decision.
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On Behalf Of Bob Jacobsen
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018
5:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] JMRI
software on a laptop remote from layout room
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As
sometimes happens on mailing lists, this thread has gone in a circle.? So
let me try to summarize:
1) You need some kind of hardware close enough to the command station to
connect to it.
2) There are several kinds that will work.
2A) A terminal server (a box that connects a network to a serial port) will let
the remote computer connect through the terminal server to the command station
2B) A computer, such as a Raspberry Pi or spare PC, can connect to the command
station and also to the remote computer
3) _Either_ of those will work.? They¡¯re different solutions, but
they both work. RPis are so cheap that they might be less cost than a terminal
server, depending on where you get them.
Bob
> On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:47 AM, stanbmattingly@... wrote:
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> Hi Paul - So what I hear you (and others) saying and/or inferring is that
an additional computer is needed whether it be Raspberry pi or some other
second computer.? My original question was whether a system could be
configured without the need for a second computer and that my NCE command
station could connect wirelessly to my remote laptop where JMRI resides.
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Re: Test version 4.13.7 of JMRI/DecoderPro is available for download
Bob,
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I loaded this version on my test PC to load the club panel.? I came from 4.13.4.? Everything started fine and I checked preferences.? It still showed Loconet Simulator.? I went to defaults and the only button selected was command station.?
I could not click on any of the buttons on the Internal Row.? I could only select the buttons on the Loconet row.
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Is that normal??? I thought I could select internal before.
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David Klemm
NMMRC
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Test version 4.13.7 of JMRI/DecoderPro is available for download.
This is hopefully the last in a series of test releases that will culminate in a production release later this week. We'd appreciate feedback on whether or not this release works for your layout.
If you are currently using JMRI 4.9.6 or earlier, we strongly recommend that you first update to JMRI 4.12 and make sure that's running OK before updating to this test release. There have been a number of changes in serial port support, panel file format and
configuration options since those earlier releases, and moving to the stable JMRI 4.12 release is a good way to work through any possible problems.
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If you use JMRI on Linux or Mac and are updating from JMRI 4.7.3 or earlier, there¡¯s a necessary migration step. (Not needed on Windows) Please see the JMRI 4.12 release note for details: <>
For more information on the issues, new features and bug fixes in 4.13.7 please see the release note:
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Note that JMRI is made available under the GNU General Public License. For more information, please see our copyright and licensing page.
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The download links, along with lots of other information which we hope you'll read, can be found on the release note page:
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Bob
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Dave,
The time whether it is real or fast clock doesn't matter to the program.? It is used on the printouts and is used by the operators to understand the order trains might arrive at a location.? So if the operators were using real time, they would enter real time minutes, and the same goes if they are using a fast clock, they would enter fast clock minutes.? Note that on most layouts, the time to work a location is normally much much larger than the time to travel to the next station.? On most layouts travel time to the next station is typically under a minute.? Where the time to work a single car at a location is over a minute.
Dan
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On Dec 20, 2018, at 4:47 PM, david zuhn < zoo@...> wrote:
Hi Paul - So what I hear you (and others) saying and/or inferring is that an additional computer is needed whether it be Raspberry pi or some other second computer.? My original question was whether a system could be configured without the need for a second computer and that my NCE command station could connect wirelessly to my remote laptop where JMRI resides.
Your NCE command station doesn't do wireless communications (I don't think any of them do that, anyway).? ?Which means you need to connect *something* to the command station to do the wireless connection.? ?There exist some wireless USB extenders, although they're niche and I haven't heard much in the way of overwhelmingly positive stories about them.? ?You could connect to a wireless serial port extender, although they're fairly esoteric as well.? ?
Something like the Raspberry Pi is a good solution -- yes you'd need to buy and install the Pi - but it's fairly simple to get it set up.? ?There are a variety of ways to get the data from the Pi to your computer upstairs, depending on how much integration you need.? ?VNC works to share the desktop of the Pi.? ?There are web services so you can access parts of JMRI from your browser on your upstairs PC.? ?There's the simple RR protocol to connect from your Pi to a JMRI upstairs.? Any (or all) of these could be running at the same time.
Your belkin router might have a USB port on it, and you can find a way to plug your NCE command station into that USB port, but without the router knowing what to do with that data, it's not going to be very useful.? ?Most routers support USB so you can attach a disk drive for remote file access, or a printer for sharing with all of your wireless computers.? ?The router has that software built in.? ?The router doesn't have any knowledge of what to do with an NCE command station.? ?I've never seen a wifi router that provided pass-through serial capability - although that's exactly what you'd need for this situation.?
Depending on your level of comfort with crazy tools, you might be able to run an alternate firmware on your belkin router which would enable you to do the serial passthrough via a network port - although I don't know if JMRI supports serial NCE via the terminal server option.? ? But that's not a trivial operation, and I'm guessing that it's not a likely option given your other comments.??
Short answer (too late): You need at least one more piece in the connectivity puzzle. ? -- The State Belt Railway of California
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Re: JMRI software on a laptop remote from layout room
As sometimes happens on mailing lists, this thread has gone in a circle. So let me try to summarize: 1) You need some kind of hardware close enough to the command station to connect to it. 2) There are several kinds that will work. 2A) A terminal server (a box that connects a network to a serial port) will let the remote computer connect through the terminal server to the command station 2B) A computer, such as a Raspberry Pi or spare PC, can connect to the command station and also to the remote computer 3) _Either_ of those will work. They¡¯re different solutions, but they both work. RPis are so cheap that they might be less cost than a terminal server, depending on where you get them. Bob On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:47 AM, stanbmattingly@... wrote:
Hi Paul - So what I hear you (and others) saying and/or inferring is that an additional computer is needed whether it be Raspberry pi or some other second computer. My original question was whether a system could be configured without the need for a second computer and that my NCE command station could connect wirelessly to my remote laptop where JMRI resides. -- Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Many thanks Dale will have a go
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On 20 Dec 2018, at 15:48, Dale Gloer < dale.gloer@...> wrote: I assume that your question means that you have jmri already running with panels, etc on another machine - perhaps a Windows one.? If so, then everything you want to transfer is in the panel file that you open.? You need to copy that panel file - it is an XML file - to the jmri user directory on the pi and you are good to go.? If you have roster set up for DecoderPro you also need to copy the roster.xlm file and the roster directory.
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Iain,
No problem with you using your solution. Whatever meets your requirements is the correct solution.
The Java implementation will be based on my latest approach, which includes a lot of your input, along with a couple of other ideas I am thinking of including.
Dave Sand
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On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Iain <iain@...> wrote:
Now that's clever! I do like that. The difference between a real programmer and a mere amateur!
My only comments are:
1) that I would put + ' (p)' for passes non-stop on the end of line 156.- this would mean everything was a string and aligned left
2) that through trains at Ullapool no longer show
Please don't be offended when I say I would still use mine - that is because (at the moment) all my timetables are held in like format in spreadsheets. Yours is far superior if the user wishes to "publish" the timetable in some way - and indeed I would use your method were I to want that.
If I can help further please keep me in the loop.
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Dan,
Thanks for the feedback. As a rule, do people treat the switch and travel times as real minutes or fast clock minutes? Just to confirm, I also don¡¯t see any references to fast clock ratio, train speed or train type, such as freight or passenger.
Dave Sand
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On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Dan Boudreau <daboudreau@...> wrote:
Dave,
OperationsPro doesn't ask for or use distance between stations, but does allow a user to enter a default train travel time between stations. The default travel time can also be increased or decreased between any two locations. Maybe a simple conversion from time to distance could be considered.
Dan
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Re: JMRI software on a laptop remote from layout room
Hi Paul - So what I hear you (and others) saying and/or inferring is that an additional computer is needed whether it be Raspberry pi or some other second computer.? My original question was whether a system could be configured without the need for a second computer and that my NCE command station could connect wirelessly to my remote laptop where JMRI resides.
Your NCE command station doesn't do wireless communications (I don't think any of them do that, anyway).? ?Which means you need to connect *something* to the command station to do the wireless connection.? ?There exist some wireless USB extenders, although they're niche and I haven't heard much in the way of overwhelmingly positive stories about them.? ?You could connect to a wireless serial port extender, although they're fairly esoteric as well.? ?
Something like the Raspberry Pi is a good solution -- yes you'd need to buy and install the Pi - but it's fairly simple to get it set up.? ?There are a variety of ways to get the data from the Pi to your computer upstairs, depending on how much integration you need.? ?VNC works to share the desktop of the Pi.? ?There are web services so you can access parts of JMRI from your browser on your upstairs PC.? ?There's the simple RR protocol to connect from your Pi to a JMRI upstairs.? Any (or all) of these could be running at the same time.
Your belkin router might have a USB port on it, and you can find a way to plug your NCE command station into that USB port, but without the router knowing what to do with that data, it's not going to be very useful.? ?Most routers support USB so you can attach a disk drive for remote file access, or a printer for sharing with all of your wireless computers.? ?The router has that software built in.? ?The router doesn't have any knowledge of what to do with an NCE command station.? ?I've never seen a wifi router that provided pass-through serial capability - although that's exactly what you'd need for this situation.?
Depending on your level of comfort with crazy tools, you might be able to run an alternate firmware on your belkin router which would enable you to do the serial passthrough via a network port - although I don't know if JMRI supports serial NCE via the terminal server option.? ? But that's not a trivial operation, and I'm guessing that it's not a likely option given your other comments.??
Short answer (too late): You need at least one more piece in the connectivity puzzle. ? -- The State Belt Railway of California
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The build report should explain why the train isn't doing a full swap. If you can't figure it out,? post the build report for us to review and we'll give your some suggestions.? If you use the text editor feature for the build report, you can simply do a copy and paste into your next reply.
BTW, the route should be Float -> Storage -> Float.? This allows the train to pull all of the cars off the float, return them to storage, pull new cars from storage, and place them on the float.? Notice that I didn't use "Staging" tracks.? Staging isn't the right choice for this type of operation.
Dan
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Dave,
OperationsPro doesn't ask for or use distance between stations, but does allow a user to enter a default train travel time between stations.? The default travel time can also be increased or decreased between any two locations.? Maybe a simple conversion from time to distance could be considered.
Dan
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Mac will open PC formatted stick but not the other way around...
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On 21 Dec 2018, at 12:21 AM, Andrew <soundrew@...> wrote:
This might sound like a stupid question but are both computers running the same OS (i.e. Windows)? If old one is a PC and new one is a Mac and your stick is formatted for pc, the Mac won't be able to open it. Just thought I'd ask.
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Chris,
This is version 1 of the Java/JMRI based Timetable Tool. It was migrated from PHP/MySql/Javascript. The goal for 4.14 was the migration with no integration. The original version was QBasic in 1993 followed by a VB3 version.
During the 4.15 development cycle I will be adding a CSV export capability. The CSV file can then be imported into a spreadsheet program for formatting and printing.
I will include the ability to import a ¡°new layout¡± from Operations. I have played with Operations a bit, but my knowledge is limited. The main piece of data that I don¡¯t see is the distance between stations.
I will take a look at providing an invert option for the graph. Based on the complexity of the current graphing code, it may require a new class with all of the logic and calculations flipped.
Dave Sand
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On Dec 20, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Chris Mawdsley <mawdsch@...> wrote:
I, too, use a spreadsheet to manage my layout version of my prototype's timetable, and use the graphing feature. I also us Operations Pro, although my layout is not close to supporting an operating session.
I've taken a perfunctory shufti at the new timetable tool. It seems to me that there is a lot of common data used by it and by Operations Pro. Certainly, there are many fields in one that are not used by the other, but I have to ask if there is any plan to integrate the data, perhaps as an option when setting up a New Layout in Timetable.
The graph produced by Timetable starts with 'Mile 0' at the top of the graph. Is there a way to have it at the bottom?
Thanks to whoever added Timetable to JMRI. It's an interesting addition.
Chris
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Stan,
Seems pretty simple to me. Unless your NCE command station has a wireless capability (which I doubt), it will need to be connected to "something" that provides the wireless capability to connect to your network. Although you might be able to get your Belkin connected wirelessly to your network, I do not see any way to connect your NCE station to the Belkin to complete the link since you said you could not use the Belkin USB port. Personally, I take my laptop to my layout and connect (via USB) it to my Digitrax command station. This allows me to use JMRI to control stuff on my layout. I then run JMRI web server so that I can use an iPad to connect (wireless) to my laptop. The iPad gives me a walk around control panel since I do not have any traditional hardwired control panels on my layout. You will need to bite the bullet and get some more pieces to put the puzzle together.
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Thanks. Your verification of my novice thinking is appreciated.
Bob
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This might sound like a stupid question but are both computers running the same OS (i.e. Windows)? If old one is a PC and new one is a Mac and your stick is formatted for pc, the Mac won't be able to open it. Just thought I'd ask.?
Andy
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:31 PM Richard Knight < enginman@...> wrote:
Stefan and Ross, Thanks, will try later. My brain has been turned
to mush. Something that should be so simple is evading me.!!
Actually three computers all on line, one old, two new. New usb
stick and? remote hard drive. But no? Joy.
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Rick.
On 12/19/2018 9:05 PM, Ross Kudlick
wrote:
Rick,
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Will both computers connect to the
internet?? If yes, your solution may be Drobox.
?
Set up the old computer to use Drobox for
your roster.? Then set up the new computer to use Drobox; the
roster will download from the cloud.
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I¡¯ve used Drobox for some time to keep my
roster synchronized between computers.? I just replaced my
work bench computer letting my roster download.? An additional
advantage is always having an off-site backup with a 30-day
lookback if I want an old file.
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Ross
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From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Richard Knight
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Import complete Roster
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Peter, Clearly I am doing something wrong.
Decoder pro>Export complete Roster>USB stick >move
stick to new computer > no matter where I save the file to
i cannot open it or Rebuild roster. I can Do Import complete
roster but I have to hit OK for each loco which I am trying to
avoid. !!! Thanks ?Rick.
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Operations: trains to and from staging
I have a car float operation.? I've set up a route and train to go from Car Float to Staging (off layout) and back to Car Float.? I've set the train length to 500' and moves to 20 even though I only have 8 cars on the float I've also set the car types to all on both the Staging and Float.
? BUT,? whenever I build the train it only takes 5 or six of the cars on the float and brings 3 back from staging.? I want it to take all 8 cars on the float and replace them with 8 fresh cars from staging every time.? Suggestions?????
thanks
Mike Stewart
Oakley, CA
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Now that's clever! I do like that.? The difference between a real programmer and a mere amateur!
My only comments are:
1) that I would put? + '? (p)' for passes non-stop on the end of line 156.- this would mean everything was a string and aligned left
2) that through trains at Ullapool no longer show
Please don't be offended when I say I would still use mine - that is because (at the moment) all my timetables are held in like format in spreadsheets.? Yours is far superior if the user wishes to "publish" the timetable in some way - and indeed I would use your method were I to want that.
If I can help further please keep me in the loop.
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Go it !!! With a little help with copy and paste and then rebuild roster all loco's are now in the roster. Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond. Rick.
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Greg Komar
Bob Jacobsen
Paul Davidson
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