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Dispatcher Panel hardware
Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel.
Andy Reichert
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On 8/7/2017 1:54 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote: Bob,
Yes many of the little push buttons are unreliable. On recommendation of a
friend I bought a large quality from We Hxoxoxo in China. I had several
split open. It was no bargain.
I have since gone to Grayhill 706-30-601RED for just above $2 each and have
had no issues since.
Mark
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A possible enhancement to the Layout Editor
When in LE edit mode and you click on a turnout or block circle, a window pops up with some information and some options.
The enhancement request would be to add the sensor information along with the turnout number and the block number as part of the information.
Currently to find out the sensor information takes somewhere around 3 or 4 clicks of various options to find out what the sensor is.
Also would be helpful when clicking on a block circle.
Hoping that a change to add the sensor information as part of information displayed is somewhat trivial.
Thanks for such a great tool.
Marshall
Phoenix
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Re: New Version. 4.8 HELP
Will will the new folder that you named be the old one or will it ask me to fill that in with different info
Tony
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On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 5:22 AM, ANTHONY DALILEO bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run two versions of jmri. My present version is working but later versions give me problems so I have not updated in a while.
Can i install the latest version of jmri without damaging or over writing the existing version.
Using a Mac book pro using the mac version and windows xp version using parallels.
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Sorry, accidentally sent message before completion (iPad toppled over and finger touched Send button).
- With a PC, you need to customise either or both installations by changing the installation folder name slightly at the appropriate point in the install procedure (I'm going from memory but I'm pretty sure the option is there - if not the procedure is more complex).
- You will also have to rename desktop shortcuts to keep them from being overwritten by the second installation.
- DO NOT rename the /Users/<myusername>/JMRI folder.
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With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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Bob,
Yes many of the little push buttons are unreliable. On recommendation of a
friend I bought a large quality from We Hxoxoxo in China. I had several
split open. It was no bargain.
I have since gone to Grayhill 706-30-601RED for just above $2 each and have
had no issues since.
Mark
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-----Original Message----- From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...] Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 3:33 PM To: jmriusers@... Subject: Re: FW: [jmriusers] Panel hardware What about for pushbuttons? Those tiny ones that are around are very unreliable. On 8/7/2017 4:24 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote:
Billybob,
You are correct in that Mike B does not provide much electronics. His
forte
is the casted metal levers and plates. Likewise Rick R provides the molded
plastic reproduction parts. They do however, recommend parts that you can
buy from most electronic suppliers.
Several years ago Rick suggested the Alpha 10YD062 rotary switch available
from www.Mouser.com It has been replaced by 105-SR2511F-62FN.
Unfortunately
the min on this is 1000. Although the cut over is at 30 degrees it is a
multi-position and 2 clicks get 60 deg. Not perfect.
However, the 105-SR2511F-62FN is a Grayhill single deck 2 position SPDT,
rated at 200 ma, 28V, DC 115VAC, with a 60 degree rotation. Only $11.58 in
single quantities. From there prices go up. It has a lug connection
but not
easily soldered. The data sheet shows a solder lug style available.
For controlling signals you will need a 3 position switch. Grayhill
105-SR2511F-62FN is similar in a 3 position. Same price.
I have not taken the time to do an exhaustive search of Mouser to find the
perfect match but it may be there amongst the many parts that they
have. If
you come up with something let us know. As I get some time I will
search, as
I have plans to build a reproduction CTC machine (USS&S).
Mark Juett
From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 11:01 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel hardware
There are some limits to what CTCParts.com can provide.
CTCParts.com specializes in the "plates" one uses on a CTC machine.
This is
where Mike's product offerings excel.
In general, Mike doesn't offer much in the way of electronics things like
rotary switches, pushbuttons, or lamps. One exception is a pushbutton
which
mimics the "feel" of a US&S pushbutton.
What are the alternatives?
For these "common" electronics components, your best bet is likely to be a
general-purpose electronics supplier. In the US, some suppliers include
Mouser.com, Digikey.com, All-electronics.com.
Rotary switches with 60 degree rotation (for US&S machines) or 90 degree
rotation (for GRS machines) can be tough to find off-the-shelf. They
do show
up occasionally. And Mouser and Digikey have often "mis-cataloged" a
manufacturer's parts as 30 degree when they really were 60 degree or 90
degree, so it helps to spend the time looking at manufacturer's specs for
the various part numbers cataloged by the supplier.
Last time I looked, Digikey and Mouser did not have any stock for 60
degree-indexed switches, but could provide 60 degree rotary switches for
orders of 2000 parts.
Tomar Inc., of Benton Harbor, MI, provides (or provided) some cast-brass
inserts which can be used in some "open" styles of commercial rotary
switches to convert a 30 degree-indexed rotary switch to 60 degree
indexing
or 90 degree indexing. Tomar also has produced US&S-like "knobs", but I
think that they no longer produce the knobs.
An alternative is to purchase "Alpha" brand enclosed 30 degree-indexed
rotary switches, and modify for 60 degree or 90 degree indexing. I've done
this by filling in one or two consecutive "indents" in the rotary switch
shell with epoxy. The trick is to open the thing without losing the spring
or ball-bearings. And to put the spring and bearings back into the
shell and
reassemble it, without losing the parts.
I do not have any particular recommendations for lampholders/bezels/lenses
or for pushbuttons.
Regards,
Billybob
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Re: New Version. 4.8 HELP
With a Mac, multiple installed versions are trivial:
- Simply rename the JMRI folder you dragged to the Applications folder to e.g. JMRI V4.6.
- Drag a new JMRI version to the Applications folder and rename it to e.g. JMRI V4.8.
-DO NOT rename the ~/Library/Preferences/JMRI folder. That will not work
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61 Canambe Street phone: + 61 2 6772 1598 mob: 0417 675 035
Armidale NSW 2350, Australia
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On 8 Aug 2017, at 5:22 AM, ANTHONY DALILEO bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run two versions of jmri. My present version is working but later versions give me problems so I have not updated in a while.
Can i install the latest version of jmri without damaging or over writing the existing version.
Using a Mac book pro using the mac version and windows xp version using parallels.
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What about for pushbuttons? Those tiny ones that are around are very unreliable. On 8/7/2017 4:24 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote:
Billybob,
You are correct in that Mike B does not provide much electronics. His
forte
is the casted metal levers and plates. Likewise Rick R provides the molded
plastic reproduction parts. They do however, recommend parts that you can
buy from most electronic suppliers.
Several years ago Rick suggested the Alpha 10YD062 rotary switch available
from www.Mouser.com It has been replaced by 105-SR2511F-62FN.
Unfortunately
the min on this is 1000. Although the cut over is at 30 degrees it is a
multi-position and 2 clicks get 60 deg. Not perfect.
However, the 105-SR2511F-62FN is a Grayhill single deck 2 position SPDT,
rated at 200 ma, 28V, DC 115VAC, with a 60 degree rotation. Only $11.58 in
single quantities. From there prices go up. It has a lug connection
but not
easily soldered. The data sheet shows a solder lug style available.
For controlling signals you will need a 3 position switch. Grayhill
105-SR2511F-62FN is similar in a 3 position. Same price.
I have not taken the time to do an exhaustive search of Mouser to find the
perfect match but it may be there amongst the many parts that they
have. If
you come up with something let us know. As I get some time I will
search, as
I have plans to build a reproduction CTC machine (USS&S).
Mark Juett
From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 11:01 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel hardware
There are some limits to what CTCParts.com can provide.
CTCParts.com specializes in the "plates" one uses on a CTC machine.
This is
where Mike's product offerings excel.
In general, Mike doesn't offer much in the way of electronics things like
rotary switches, pushbuttons, or lamps. One exception is a pushbutton
which
mimics the "feel" of a US&S pushbutton.
What are the alternatives?
For these "common" electronics components, your best bet is likely to be a
general-purpose electronics supplier. In the US, some suppliers include
Mouser.com, Digikey.com, All-electronics.com.
Rotary switches with 60 degree rotation (for US&S machines) or 90 degree
rotation (for GRS machines) can be tough to find off-the-shelf. They
do show
up occasionally. And Mouser and Digikey have often "mis-cataloged" a
manufacturer's parts as 30 degree when they really were 60 degree or 90
degree, so it helps to spend the time looking at manufacturer's specs for
the various part numbers cataloged by the supplier.
Last time I looked, Digikey and Mouser did not have any stock for 60
degree-indexed switches, but could provide 60 degree rotary switches for
orders of 2000 parts.
Tomar Inc., of Benton Harbor, MI, provides (or provided) some cast-brass
inserts which can be used in some "open" styles of commercial rotary
switches to convert a 30 degree-indexed rotary switch to 60 degree
indexing
or 90 degree indexing. Tomar also has produced US&S-like "knobs", but I
think that they no longer produce the knobs.
An alternative is to purchase "Alpha" brand enclosed 30 degree-indexed
rotary switches, and modify for 60 degree or 90 degree indexing. I've done
this by filling in one or two consecutive "indents" in the rotary switch
shell with epoxy. The trick is to open the thing without losing the spring
or ball-bearings. And to put the spring and bearings back into the
shell and
reassemble it, without losing the parts.
I do not have any particular recommendations for lampholders/bezels/lenses
or for pushbuttons.
Regards,
Billybob
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Billybob,
You are correct in that Mike B does not provide much electronics. His forte
is the casted metal levers and plates. Likewise Rick R provides the molded
plastic reproduction parts. They do however, recommend parts that you can
buy from most electronic suppliers.
Several years ago Rick suggested the Alpha 10YD062 rotary switch available
from www.Mouser.com It has been replaced by 105-SR2511F-62FN. Unfortunately
the min on this is 1000. Although the cut over is at 30 degrees it is a
multi-position and 2 clicks get 60 deg. Not perfect.
However, the 105-SR2511F-62FN is a Grayhill single deck 2 position SPDT,
rated at 200 ma, 28V, DC 115VAC, with a 60 degree rotation. Only $11.58 in
single quantities. From there prices go up. It has a lug connection but not
easily soldered. The data sheet shows a solder lug style available.
For controlling signals you will need a 3 position switch. Grayhill
105-SR2511F-62FN is similar in a 3 position. Same price.
I have not taken the time to do an exhaustive search of Mouser to find the
perfect match but it may be there amongst the many parts that they have. If
you come up with something let us know. As I get some time I will search, as
I have plans to build a reproduction CTC machine (USS&S).
Mark Juett
From: jmriusers@... [mailto:jmriusers@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 11:01 PM
To: jmriusers@...
Subject: Re: [jmriusers] Panel hardware
There are some limits to what CTCParts.com can provide.
CTCParts.com specializes in the "plates" one uses on a CTC machine. This is
where Mike's product offerings excel.
In general, Mike doesn't offer much in the way of electronics things like
rotary switches, pushbuttons, or lamps. One exception is a pushbutton which
mimics the "feel" of a US&S pushbutton.
What are the alternatives?
For these "common" electronics components, your best bet is likely to be a
general-purpose electronics supplier. In the US, some suppliers include
Mouser.com, Digikey.com, All-electronics.com.
Rotary switches with 60 degree rotation (for US&S machines) or 90 degree
rotation (for GRS machines) can be tough to find off-the-shelf. They do show
up occasionally. And Mouser and Digikey have often "mis-cataloged" a
manufacturer's parts as 30 degree when they really were 60 degree or 90
degree, so it helps to spend the time looking at manufacturer's specs for
the various part numbers cataloged by the supplier.
Last time I looked, Digikey and Mouser did not have any stock for 60
degree-indexed switches, but could provide 60 degree rotary switches for
orders of 2000 parts.
Tomar Inc., of Benton Harbor, MI, provides (or provided) some cast-brass
inserts which can be used in some "open" styles of commercial rotary
switches to convert a 30 degree-indexed rotary switch to 60 degree indexing
or 90 degree indexing. Tomar also has produced US&S-like "knobs", but I
think that they no longer produce the knobs.
An alternative is to purchase "Alpha" brand enclosed 30 degree-indexed
rotary switches, and modify for 60 degree or 90 degree indexing. I've done
this by filling in one or two consecutive "indents" in the rotary switch
shell with epoxy. The trick is to open the thing without losing the spring
or ball-bearings. And to put the spring and bearings back into the shell and
reassemble it, without losing the parts.
I do not have any particular recommendations for lampholders/bezels/lenses
or for pushbuttons.
Regards,
Billybob
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Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run two versions of jmri. My present version is working but later versions give me problems so I have not updated in a while. Can i install the latest version of jmri without damaging or over writing the existing version. Using a Mac book pro using the mac version and windows xp version using parallels. Tony On Aug 5, 2017, at 11:18 PM, pj_mattson_rvr@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
It's late and my layout is shut down. I will be away most of the day tomorrow. (Running trains). So Monday before I can check this. I have reinstalled 4.4 and all works. P. J. Mattson
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Paul; my settings are as you stated; yet it doesn't load quickly or restart properly. Would their be a problem with the Defaults?
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Re: Odd problems with latest test version 4.9.1 Windows 10
John,
The 4.9.2 test release will include the layout block "metric" fix along with the duplicate NX manager fix. This means that when you select the EntryExit tool in Layout Editor it will show the current NX definitions.
Using a development version of 4.9.2 I created a complex NX situation. I have a demo panel with a passing siding. I routed an eastbound train into the siding. I then routed a westbound train on the main from end to end. This required stacking at the west end turnout. I then routed another westbound on the main up to the west end turnout. This created a second stack. I then routed the eastbound out of the siding which created a third stack.
I was able to perform the movements of the 3 trains using sensor buttons to simulate occupancy and the turnouts and signal masts behaved as expected.
I did some research on the double cross-over block routing problem. A double cross-over can have 1 to 4 blocks assigned. My policy has always been to assign two blocks which map to the straight routes.
If I assign 4 blocks, then the impossible block routes are not created. With 2 blocks, the level crossing in the middle of the double cross-over provides two connections to the straight block which results to two routes, one good and one bad. I will create a Git Issue for this situation.
In the meantime, there are three options. The easy one is to manually delete bogus signal mast logic and NX pairs caused by the bad routes.
The second option is to gap the double cross-over to have 4 sections each with an occupancy sensor.
The third option is to use 4 blocks on the panel with virtual occupancy sensors that are controlled using Logix based on 2 real sensors coming from the layout. This one has issues with automation because automatic train running depends on the sensors activating in the proper sequence based on train direction.
Dave Sand
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This is our current trouble shooting knowledge for Sprog: SPROG
Verify connection.
Main menu bar should have SPROG. Click on SPROG, then "Get SPROG Firmware Version". You should see something like"SPROG II USB v.x". If you get "Timeout talking to SPROG" you do not have connection.
For programming the System manufacturer in the JMRI Preferences file needs to be set for SPROG DCC and SPROG as the System connection to program decoders. (If the System connection is set to "SPROG Command Station" you can control up to 16 locomotives, but may only "program on the main".)
With no loco on the track, open the `Service-Mode" programmer, and click the "Read type from decoder." The bottom of the screen should display "Stopping due to error, No locomotive detected (301)."
If you short the programming track you should see "Found mfg -1 version -1; no such manufacturer defined". Also on the bottom you should se a 309 error.
Updated 201611213 Walter71342
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Re: (OPERATIONS) RUNNING TWO JMRI PROGRAMS ON ONE COMPUTER
Dave Sand. Thank you again for your help. I followed your instructions and it worked perfectly. I am very appreciative!
James Allen
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Sent: Aug 6 5:32 pm
Subject: [jmriusers] Re: (OPERATIONS) RUNNING TWO JMRI PROGRAMS ON ONE COMPUTER
James,
You don't need a second install.
Just create a second profile.
To simplify switching between them, go to "Preferences >> Config Profiles". At the bottom, select "Show Profile Selector".
When you start PanelPro, a profile selector screen will be displayed. Select the one you want.
Dave Sand
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On 07/29/2017 09:32 AM, wmseapc@... [jmriusers] wrote: Paul; I only have 2 usb ports to choose from
cu.Bluetooth-Incoming=port &
cu.usbmodem1411 Ok, now that I've had a chance to look at my Mac, I'll come back to this message. Mine LI-USB-Ethernet also came up with a port of the form cu.usbmodem####, so that is the one you should use. You should also see a tty.usbmodem1411. That is the same device as cu.usbmodem1411. To the best of my knowledge you can choose either of these. After you start JMRI, open the preferences. On your LIUSB configuration, click the "advanced options" checkbox. Set the "LIUSB connection uses" option to "no flow control". Save and restart the preferences. That should get you up and running. Paul
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Thanks Dave Sand. I'll will try that approach. Hope I can count on you if I have additional questions regarding the preference process. Again, many thanks
James Allen
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Subject: [jmriusers] Re: (OPERATIONS) RUNNING TWO JMRI PROGRAMS ON ONE COMPUTER
James,
You don't need a second install.
Just create a second profile.
To simplify switching between them, go to "Preferences >> Config Profiles". At the bottom, select "Show Profile Selector".
When you start PanelPro, a profile selector screen will be displayed. Select the one you want.
Dave Sand
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There are some limits to what CTCParts.com can provide.
CTCParts.com specializes in the "plates" one uses on a CTC machine. This is where Mike's product offerings excel.
In general, Mike doesn't offer much in the way of electronics things like rotary switches, pushbuttons, or lamps. One exception is a pushbutton which mimics the "feel" of a US&S pushbutton.
What are the alternatives?
For these "common" electronics components, your best bet is likely to be a general-purpose electronics supplier. In the US, some suppliers include Mouser.com, Digikey.com, All-electronics.com.
Rotary switches with 60 degree rotation (for US&S machines) or 90 degree rotation (for GRS machines) can be tough to find off-the-shelf. They do show up occasionally. And Mouser and Digikey have often "mis-cataloged" a manufacturer's parts as 30 degree when they really were 60 degree or 90 degree, so it helps to spend the time looking at manufacturer's specs for the various part numbers cataloged by the supplier.
Last time I looked, Digikey and Mouser did not have any stock for 60 degree-indexed switches, but could provide 60 degree rotary switches for orders of 2000 parts.
Tomar Inc., of Benton Harbor, MI, provides (or provided) some cast-brass inserts which can be used in some "open" styles of commercial rotary switches to convert a 30 degree-indexed rotary switch to 60 degree indexing or 90 degree indexing. Tomar also has produced US&S-like "knobs", but I think that they no longer produce the knobs.
An alternative is to purchase "Alpha" brand enclosed 30 degree-indexed rotary switches, and modify for 60 degree or 90 degree indexing. I've done this by filling in one or two consecutive "indents" in the rotary switch shell with epoxy. The trick is to open the thing without losing the spring or ball-bearings. And to put the spring and bearings back into the shell and reassemble it, without losing the parts.
I do not have any particular recommendations for lampholders/bezels/lenses or for pushbuttons.
Regards,
Billybob
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Look at www.ctcparts.com for cast metal reproduction parts which I intend to use for my next panel. Also rixproducts has molded plastic reproduction parts. Which I have used. Mark Juett Ace Services LLC Your First Choice www.modelrailroadbuilder.com On Aug 6, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Gerald Michels gjmichels53@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote:
This is a bit off topic, but I'd like to find sources for CTC panel
hardware (switches and the like), and manual locking mechanisms for local
turnout control. Thanks! Jerry Michels
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This is a bit off topic, but I'd like to find sources for CTC panel
hardware (switches and the like), and manual locking mechanisms for local
turnout control. Thanks! Jerry Michels
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James,
You don't need a second install.
Just create a second profile.
To simplify switching between them, go to "Preferences >> Config Profiles". At the bottom, select "Show Profile Selector".
When you start PanelPro, a profile selector screen will be displayed. Select the one you want.
Dave Sand
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(OPERATIONS) RUNNING TWO JMRI PROGRAMS ON ONE COMPUTER
Dan B, or other members.
I have two layouts with one running JMRI panel Pro for operations on my "C" drive. However, my computer also have a second hard drive (D drive) that I have been using for storing videos. Can I install a second JMRI Panel Pro on the D drive and use it for the second small layout or will it conflict with my JMRI on the "C: drive. What approach should I use to install it on the "D" drive and is there any thing to be aware of.
Thanks
James Allen
jcallen1@...
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Bob McCown
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