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Re: FW: Panel hardware
Ken,
Unless I reported otherwise, the switches I listed were "non-shorting" switches. But if you are using a 30-degree-indexed switch for a 60-degree-indexing or a 90-degree-indexing application, then the question of shorting vs. non-shorting contacts is really irrelevant. For such an application, there will always be at least one (unused) contact between any two used contacts. So I would consider switches with "shorting" contacts if equivalent switches with "non-shorting" contacts were unavailable. Most of the switches I reported have 6mm shafts (and metric mountings). Some had 1/4" shafts (and imperial mountings). I was focusing on what's available at Mouser that could be usable. I figure that a flat is usually needed, but what orientation does it have versus a position? Well, that depends on how the switch is mounted. That gets tricky when mounting a 60-degree-indexed switch in a panel; where does the anti-twist "pin" hole get oriented in the mast with respect to the mounting hole? I don't know, and cannot really guess. So I assumed that the user will add a flat, once he knows exactly what switch orientation is used on the panel and the position of the set-screws on the lever. The switches with flats are available from the manufacturer with flats at any of four angles, but I cannot guess which is correct for a given install. Even if the lever casting is cast for an internal flat, the user can always file down the round shaft to add the appropriate flat, and even get it in the position he/she likes. Want a manufactured flat on the shaft? Do the research and make your choice. I'm not giving away any more of my time on this subject. Regards, Billybob |
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New Computer
A friend of mine just got a new computer. He is having two problems. First we set everything up for his Panel Pro. But when it comes up all the switches come up with the Unknown Icon. How do we get it to come up with the proper switch. His next problem is the newest JMRI doesn't have some of the decoders he has. He says they are older decoders. Thanks for your help. P. J. Mattson
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Re: System Console Warning Message
Paul;
the command station is still showing disconnected the command station version and type is unknown my Mac is a late iMac 2015; it still takes time before I can even just read the system console or check the Preferences/connections or defaults & when I click on Restart it doesn't restart very soon after doing so so I usually just click the Force Quit from the Apple Menu Here is my System Console below; is this what you are referring to as the "log"? 2017-08-08 18:32:52,827 util.Log4JUtil INFO - * JMRI log ** [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:55,714 util.Log4JUtil INFO - This log is appended to file: /Users/williamseabrooke/Library/Preferences/JMRI/log/messages.log [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:55,715 util.Log4JUtil INFO - This log is stored in file: /Users/williamseabrooke/Library/Preferences/JMRI/log/session.log [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:55,761 apps.AppsBase INFO - DecoderPro version 4.9.2ish+jenkins+20170804T0543Z+Reaaaf8a starts under Java 1.8.0_144 on Mac OS X x86_64 v10.13 at Tue Aug 08 18:32:55 EDT 2017 [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:57,024 gui3.Apps3 INFO - Starting with profile wmseamac.3f48e951 [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:57,635 node.NodeIdentity INFO - Using jmri-28F0761979C8-3f48e951 as the JMRI Node identity [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:59,359 liusb.LIUSBAdapter INFO - cu.usbmodem1411 port opened at 57600 baud with DTR: true RTS: true DSR: false CTS: false CD: false [main] 2017-08-08 18:32:59,522 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController ERROR - Automatic Recovery from Error Message: 01 08 09. Retransmitted 0 times. [liusb.LIUSBXNetPacketizer Receive thread] 2017-08-08 18:32:59,522 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController INFO - Message added back to queue: 21 21 00 [liusb.LIUSBXNetPacketizer Transmit thread] 2017-08-08 18:33:29,879 lenz.XNetInitializationManager WARN - Command Station disconnected, or powered down assuming LZ100/LZV100 V3.x [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:32,128 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path program: is /Applications/JMRI/ [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:32,129 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path preference: is /Users/williamseabrooke/Library/Preferences/JMRI/wmseamac/profile/jmri-28F0761979C8-3f48e951/ [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:32,129 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path profile: is /Users/williamseabrooke/Library/Preferences/JMRI/wmseamac/ [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:32,130 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path settings: is /Users/williamseabrooke/Library/Preferences/JMRI/ [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:32,130 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path home: is /Users/williamseabrooke/ [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:32,130 util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path scripts: is /Applications/JMRI/jython/ [main] 2017-08-08 18:33:34,880 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN - Timeout on reply to message: 21 21 00 consecutive timeouts = 0 in liusb.LIUSBXNetPacketizer [liusb.LIUSBXNetPacketizer Transmit thread] 2017-08-08 18:34:09,976 jmrix.AbstractMRTrafficController WARN - Timeout on reply to message: 21 24 05 consecutive timeouts = 1 in liusb.LIUSBXNetPacketizer [liusb.LIUSBXNetPacketizer Transmit thread] Thank you Paul for expressing interest in this feed! |
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Re: Web Server
Randall Wood
In your Preferences, I would expect WiThrottle tab to show port 12080 (based on your description). The Web Server port is something else, shown in Preferences under the Web Server tab. In the browser, you will need to connect to <>.2:that-other-port
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The default port for the Web Server is 12080 and the default port for WiThrottle is 12090. If those ports are the same, the WiThrottle server will get the port, but the Web Server will simply be blocked from working (the logs under System Console will likely show something to this effect). Hope this helps, Randall On Aug 8, 2017, at 13:23, harry.rigby@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote: |
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Re: Panel hardware
Uh Mark, where do you think Radio Shack got theirs? <g>
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Seth Neumann Mountain View, CA Sent from my iPhone, please excuse the typing. On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Bob McCown rmccown@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote: |
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Re: FW: Panel hardware
Billybob,
Nice bit of research. However, for any of the circuits I¡¯ve seen for CTC panels, you always want break before make types. Next is ?¡± shaft vs 6mm shaft is less than a 1/64¡± difference, so most knobs will not notice the difference (if they are 1/4¡± designs), the set screws can deal with that. As for flats on the shafts or keyed mounting hardware, I¡¯ve found most MR types seem to be rather heavy handed!! So having mounting hardware that will prevent twisting the switch itself is important. The flat on the shaft is critical to keep the knob in the right place, but this is easy after installation with a couple of passes of a file on the shaft if it wasn¡¯t equipped in the first place. Note: We¡¯d need to check about the knobs themselves to see if they are round or if they have an internal flat to match. That would be important to know. -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team www.jmri.org www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org www.cnymod.com www.syracusemodelrr.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: FW: Panel hardware
Dale,
Here's my results from about 45 minutes work at the Mouser web site, looking only at "Alpha" rotary switches, and double-checking the part number versus the manufacturer's description. I appologize in advance for any typos. All were listed as "in-stock" when I looked these up today: Mouser 105-SR2511F-43RN : Alpha P/N SR2511F-0403-19R0B-E9-N-W-159 - open style suitable for US&S 2-position lever, using Tomar "slug"; metric mounting. Mouser 105-SR2511F-25NS : Alpha P/N SR2511F-0205-19R0B-E9-N-W-159 - open style suitable for US&S 3-position lever, using Tomar "slugs"; metric mounting. Mouser 105-SR2512F-43NS : Alpha P/N SR2511F-0403-19R0B-E9-N-W-159 - open style suitable for US&S 2-position lever, using Tomar "slug"; metric mounting. Mouser 105-SR2511F-25S : Alpha P/N SR2511F-0205-19R0B-E9-S-W-159 - open style suitable for US&S 3-position lever, using Tomar "slugs"; metric mounting - note that this is a "shorting" switch! Mouser 105-SR2511F-43S : Alpha P/N SR2511F-0403-19R0B-E9-S-W-159 - open style suitable for US&S 2-position lever, using Tomar "slug"; metric mouting - note that this is a "shorting" switch! Mouser 105-SR2511F-17S : Alpha P/N SR2511F-0107-19R0B-E9-S-W-159 - open style suitable for GRS 3-position lever, using Tomar "slugs"; metric mounting - note that this is a "shorting" switch! Mouser 105-SR2612F-26-21RN : Alpha P/N SR2612F-0206-21R0B-D8-N - enclosed style suitable for US&S 2- and 3-position lever, or GRS 2-position lever; imperial mouting - requires internal modifications! Mouser 105-SR2612F-26-21RN : Alpha P/N SR2612F-0206-21R0B-D8-N - enclosed style suitable for US&S 2- and 3-position lever, or GRS 2-position lever; imperial mouting - requires internal modifications! Mouser 105-SR2611F-12-21RS : Alpha P/N SR2611F-0112-21R0B-D8-S - enclosed style suitable for US&S 2- and 3-position lever, or GRS 2-position or 3-position lever; internal modification required - requires a specialty "stop" washer which may not be provided and I have not seen such a washer purchasable separately. Assumptions: . Want a round shaft, since the flat will likely not line up with the knob screw for an obvious orientation of the switch . require a 1/4" shaft, not a 6mm shaft . "open" style switches require the correct number of positions, at 30-degree indexing, for the desired number of 60-degree- or 90-degree-indexed positions. . "enclosed" style switches do not require at least the minimum number of positions, at 30-degree indexing, for the desired number of 60-degree- or 90-degree-indexed positions, and the number of "poles" cannot prevent unique identification of lever position when in position at any of the the 60-degree- or 90-degree indexed positions. . pin connection isn't critical. FYI - SR2511 and SR2611 have "wire lugs" and SR2612 has "pc-board" pins. Hope this helps. Regards, Billybob |
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Web Server
Can anyone help? JMRI runs OK on a Windows 10 PC. I can control throttles, turnouts and I have a working panel. Using Engine Driver on an Android 4.4 tablet, it connects OK to 192.168.2.2:12080 and I can control throttles, turnouts and routes. However, when I select "web" it shows either a blank screen or sometimes a screen full of text, which looks like a status report. If I try to connect using a browser to 192.168.2.2:12080 I get a "no response" message.
In preferences Frames is disabled (as per default) and I have started the WiFi Throttle server and the web server with the application; both appear in the "startup" list. Is there a setting I have got wrong? Hope someone can help. Best wishes Harry |
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DDA40X Dual DCC Controllers won't work
Hello,
I have an Athearn DDA40X non-sound unit that I purchased new. I didn't buy the sound version because I prefer the loksound select/direct decoders. My primary decoder is a Loksound Direct with all lights and the front motor connected to it. My secondary decoder is a TCS T1 for JUST rear motor control. My primary decoder is programmed for decoder lock with CV16=2 and my secondary decoder is programmed for decoder lock with CV16=1. Both decoders work fine and are brand new. Each decoder has separate track pick up wires wired to it, so decoder 1 picks up track power from the front trucks, decoder 2 picks up track power from the rear trucks. When I program both decoders to the 4 digit loco address only the sound decoder will drive it's motors When I assign the secondary decoder a separate 4 digit address and consist it with the first decoder, only the first decoder motor works. CV15=0,1,2 depending on if I'm programming or not and which decoder I want to program. My test track is controlled by an NCE Power Pro. My programming track is the NCE Power Pro via JMRI with a working usb-serial adapter. I can program mostly fine. When I go to assign CV15 to 2, some times it comes back unable to locate engine. I can change CV=15 to 2 using my NCE throttle and programming on the main. I know once I get this where both sets of wheels roll I will have a fun time fine tuning the momentum. Any advice. |
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Re: FW: FW: Panel hardware
Great, thanks. I, too, bought a bunch of cheap Chinese ones and they
wernt any better quality than the ones I got at the local Radio Shack when it closed. On 8/7/2017 4:54 PM, 'Mark Juett' modelrailroadbuilder@... [jmriusers] wrote:
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Re: FW: Panel hardware
Mark,
could you please provide the correct part numbers for the switches you referenced? You have shown the same part number for 3 different switches. Thanks, Dale Gloer |
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Re: Panel hardware
Andy,
The CTCParts.com web site has an introduction to CTC - see . Specifically, "Part 5: The Control Machine", at the bottom of the page, gives basic descriptions of the lamps and levers. One thing I'm learning is that a given lever or lamp on the prototypical machine doesn't always have a simple explanation. There's always an exception. And railroad "X" did it this way but "Y" did it a different way and "Z" left that feature out and railroad "W" did something altogether different. So, if you want to be strictly accurate-to-prototype, you need to discuss your implementation with an expert in signalling. I know that Mike at CTCparts.com is willing (eager?) to discuss, the various prototype railroad practices, including whys and what-fors, indocator colors, control machine plate shapes, sounds, signal aspects, braking distances, switch geometries, etc., and how they come together as a prototypical signal system. Getting some of his time, however, can be challenging. Regards, Billybob |
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Re: JMRI PanelPro - Programming Support for M?rklin CS2 / Doehler&Haass Programmer
Hi all, any news on this topic,
JMRI PanelPro - Programming Support for M?rklin CS2 / Doehler&Haass Programmer Regards, Moritz |
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Re: (OPERATIONS) SWITCHLIST PRINTING
Thanks Dan, regarding the Excel apps.
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James Allen jcallen1@... -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Foltz DannyDont@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> To: JMRI User Group <jmriusers@...> Sent: Aug 6 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [jmriusers] (OPERATIONS) SWITCHLIST PRINTING Whoops, I skipped this message. Actually there are two different Excel Apps for each Manifest version, if you follow that. One is for Excel 2007 or older (back to 2000) and the other is for Excel 2020 and newer (up through Excel 365). In MicroSoft's infinite wisdom, that made some significant changes to VBA or internal parameters that made the original code non-functional in the later versions. But both App versions of each of the nine Manifest versions have been tested and function. *Dan (Choo-Choo)** Foltz* *?* *"?A bad attitude is like a flat tire. You can't go anywhere until you change it." * *?Unknown* |
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Re: Panel hardware
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out.
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Andy On 8/7/2017 5:36 PM, rodneyblack2000@... [jmriusers] wrote:
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Re: Panel hardware
Andy,
Dr. Bruce Chubbs Volume 2 is pretty complete. His articles in Railroad Model Craftsman are helpful. Part 14 (April 2014) has a few photos. There are some references on line, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Mike Burgett's web site: . Rodney _________________________________________________________________________________________ Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel. Andy Reichert |
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Re: New Version. 4.8 HELP
Thank you
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Tony On Aug 7, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Dave Heap dgheap@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote: |
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Re: Dispatcher Panel hardware
Looks like Yahoo stripped off the photo. I've uploaded it to the files section of the group. There should be a file upload announcement with a link.
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Cheers, Dennis Drury Dayton, NV ---In jmriusers@..., <cowrr1984@...> wrote : Hi Andy, I'm not sure if this group strips photos but here goes. The attached photo shows a prototype CTC machine that was on the Cascade line of the Southern Pacific. From top to bottom the switches are: S.H. is for the switch heater. 39NR is for switch 39 normal or reverse. This is a 60 degree switch. 40LR is for signal 40 left or right. This is a 30 degree switch with the center off. Toggle switch is for the maintainer call. Push button is the code button If you want to know what the lamps are for please ask. Cheers, Dennis Drury Dayton, NV The miracle is this: the more we share the more we have. Leonard Nimoy On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'andy_r+intelegence.com' andy_r@... mailto:andy_r@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@... mailto:jmriusers@...> wrote:> Where would I find a definition of the functions of the individual switches? I'm intrigued by the possibility of simulating a panel.> > Andy Reichert > |
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Re: New Version. 4.8 HELP
With the Mac you are simply dragging the distributed JMRI folder from the .dmg file to your Applications folder. Since you can't rename a folder on a disk image (Readonly) you'll have to rename the old one in /Applications before dragging. Once in /Applications, you can rename either folder as you wish (it may ask you to authenticate).
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Both JMRI versions will use the same preferences and User Files in ~/Preferences/JMRI . -- Dave in Australia On 8 Aug 2017, at 7:01 AM, AD bklyns_baseball_club@... [jmriusers] <jmriusers@...> wrote: |
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