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That senior with the 2013 MB Pro continues to have problems.
I put a new battery in that computer two years ago but he reports that, trying two different chargers, the charging light on the cable is green, but the charge shows 6% and will go no higher.
He downloaded one of the free battery apps from the App Store and it shows exactly the same thing: ?battery is at 6% and will not go above that.
The beachballs and slowdowns have returned.
I have him reset the SMC but that did not help.
I suspect it’s either the battery or the power supply and looking on the iFixit site, I don’t see any instructions for replacing a power supply.
Might any of you have any insights to offer that I can suggest this senior try?
Bob
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“They say the Lord?answers all our?prayers, it’s just that?sometimes he?answers no.”
- Amor Towles
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Sorry, I’ve got nothing I can suggest as a fix, but does the battery app give a charging history? I’d be curious to know how it got down to 6%.
I use coconutBattery, which does that, and also does the same for any iOS device connected using USB. <>
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That senior with the 2013 MB Pro continues to have problems.
I put a new battery in that computer two years ago but he reports that, trying two different chargers, the charging light on the cable is green, but the charge shows 6% and will go no higher.
He downloaded one of the free battery apps from the App Store and it shows exactly the same thing: ?battery is at 6% and will not go above that.
The beachballs and slowdowns have returned.
I have him reset the SMC but that did not help.
I suspect it’s either the battery or the power supply and looking on the iFixit site, I don’t see any instructions for replacing a power supply.
Might any of you have any insights to offer that I can suggest this senior try?
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I’m all for repair but I’ve also found that 10 years is near end of life for many laptop Macs, especially in the Intel era. It may be time to consider replacing the computer.
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 07:20, Bob Gerard <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? That senior with the 2013 MB Pro continues to have problems.
I put a new battery in that computer two years ago but he reports that, trying two different chargers, the charging light on the cable is green, but the charge shows 6% and will go no higher.
He downloaded one of the free battery apps from the App Store and it shows exactly the same thing: ?battery is at 6% and will not go above that.
The beachballs and slowdowns have returned.
I have him reset the SMC but that did not help.
I suspect it’s either the battery or the power supply and looking on the iFixit site, I don’t see any instructions for replacing a power supply.
Might any of you have any insights to offer that I can suggest this senior try?
Bob
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“They say the Lord?answers all our?prayers, it’s just that?sometimes he?answers no.”
- Amor Towles
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:48, Ben Rosenthal <ben@...> wrote:
I’m all for repair but I’ve also found that 10 years is near end of life for many laptop Macs, especially in the Intel era. It may be time to consider replacing the computer.
I have come to the same conclusion, Ben.
His 84th birthday is 31 July; my wife and I decided to surprise him with an?Apple iPad Air (5th Generation): with M1 chip, 10.9-inch Liquid Retina Display, 64GB, Wi-Fi 6.
If anyone bothers to read on and has suggestions to make as to cases and keyboards compatible with this model of iPad, I would be grateful to have them. ?
It has a USB-C charge cable so I assume he will be able to connect his external HD to it and move files and folders back and forth??? Like this one…and am I right about moving files back and forth from a HDD to this iPad???
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He has a bad case of rheumatoid arthritis, so instead of getting the Apple keyboard/case with it’s somewhat cramped dimensions, one of the seniors who attends my Zoom classes told me she got this Logitech one which is just about full sized, connects easily, etc., which she really likes:
Its dimensions are given as?10.9 x 4.9 x 0.6 inches, and the standard MB Pro keyboard is 11 inches, so pretty close.
We want to get him a stand/case so he can use it like a laptop and this Fintie is the brand?I have been using on my Mini iPad for years and it has held up quite well.
My iPhone X has a Jtech brand case and it too fits well, is well-crafted and has held up well, so it’s in the running also:
What say ye all???
Bob
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“They say the Lord?answers all our?prayers, it’s just that?sometimes he?answers no.”
- Amor Towles
What happens if you remove the laptop battery and run on mains power only? Do the beachballs go away?
Is the battery still charging at all? If not, it might simply be a loose wire somwehere between the mains power input and the battery.
AG
Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 4:20:21 PM, Bob Gerard rowerbob@... wrote:
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I suspect it’s either the battery or the power supply and looking on the iFixit site, I don’t see any instructions for replacing a power supply.
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 16:00, maclists <maclists@...> wrote:
What happens if you remove the laptop battery and run on mains power only? Do the beachballs go away?
This is extremely complicated with this model and he can’t manage it with his RA.
Is the battery still charging at all? If not, it might simply be a loose wire somwehere between the mains power input and the battery.
As stated: ?green light indicates a full charge. ?On the Apple Battery meter and on one downloaded from the App Store, the current state of charge is given as 6% and never changes from that figure.
Bob
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“They say the Lord?answers all our?prayers, it’s just that?sometimes he?answers no.”
- Amor Towles
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I don't see iPadOS specifically mentioned anywhere after the "in your Mac, iPhone and iPad", but would coconutBattery also work for an iPad connected via USB?
Good to see that it still works for Mojave and the licence is not expensive
AG
Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 5:15:51 PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io otto.nikolaus@... wrote:
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I use coconutBattery, which does that, and also does the same for any iOS device connected using USB.
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It looks like it is not charging.
Have you tried disconnecting the mains and letting it discharge completely? Then reconnect the mains power and see if it charges to anything above zero
AG
Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:07:00 PM, Bob Gerard rowerbob@... wrote:
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On the Apple Battery meter and on one downloaded from the App Store, the current state of charge is given as 6% and never changes from that figure.
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Has he tried resetting the SMC?
If your Mac battery won’t charge - Apple Support
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Bob Gerard <rowerbob@...> wrote:
That senior with the 2013 MB Pro continues to have problems.
I put a new battery in that computer two years ago but he reports that, trying two different chargers, the charging light on the cable is green, but the charge shows 6% and will go no higher.
He downloaded one of the free battery apps from the App Store and it shows exactly the same thing: battery is at 6% and will not go above that.
The beachballs and slowdowns have returned.
I have him reset the SMC but that did not help.
I suspect it’s either the battery or the power supply and looking on the iFixit site, I don’t see any instructions for replacing a power supply.
Might any of you have any insights to offer that I can suggest this senior try?
Bob
———
“They say the Lord answers all our prayers, it’s just that sometimes he answers no.”
- Amor Towles
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Which app is he using to check the battery?
I believe Coconut will tell you the number of accumulated cycles and the health of the battery.?
What does Sys Prefs tell you about the battery??
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 07:20, Bob Gerard <rowerbob@...> wrote:
? That senior with the 2013 MB Pro continues to have problems.
I put a new battery in that computer two years ago but he reports that, trying two different chargers, the charging light on the cable is green, but the charge shows 6% and will go no higher.
He downloaded one of the free battery apps from the App Store and it shows exactly the same thing: ?battery is at 6% and will not go above that.
The beachballs and slowdowns have returned.
I have him reset the SMC but that did not help.
I suspect it’s either the battery or the power supply and looking on the iFixit site, I don’t see any instructions for replacing a power supply.
Might any of you have any insights to offer that I can suggest this senior try?
Bob
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“They say the Lord?answers all our?prayers, it’s just that?sometimes he?answers no.”
- Amor Towles
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Bob, you might research calibrating the battery. It might be off a little, but I have heard of it being off by anything significant.?
My guess is the 6% is fairly accurate. Only 2 years on a battery is possible.?
As to MBP reliability, my early 2008 MBP, under warranty, it has gone thru a motherboard early on, and 2 keyboard, as the warranty was running out. It is on its 3rd removable battery. Only issues are that it has an old OS and old 3rd party software.?
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? On Jul 26, 2023, at 16:00, maclists <maclists@...> wrote:
What happens if you remove the laptop battery and run on mains power only? Do the beachballs go away?
This is extremely complicated with this model and he can’t manage it with his RA.
Is the battery still charging at all? If not, it might simply be a loose wire somwehere between the mains power input and the battery.
As stated: ?green light indicates a full charge. ?On the Apple Battery meter and on one downloaded from the App Store, the current state of charge is given as 6% and never changes from that figure.
Bob
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“They say the Lord?answers all our?prayers, it’s just that?sometimes he?answers no.”
- Amor Towles
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coconutBattery as been around since before iDevices. ipadOS is only a couple of years old. I am sure the lack of a mention of ipadOS is just an oversight by the developer. IOS used to be used on iPads.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 13:12, maclists <maclists@...> wrote:
?I don't see iPadOS specifically mentioned anywhere after the "in your Mac, iPhone and iPad", but would coconutBattery also work for an iPad connected via USB?
Good to see that it still works for Mojave and the licence is not expensive
AG
Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 5:15:51 PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io otto.nikolaus@... wrote:
I use coconutBattery, which does that, and also does the same for any iOS device connected using USB.
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I read through the homepage of coconutBattery and I see many mentions of “iOS,” which appear to refer to both iPhones and iPads. This is a fair approach in my book. I don’t see any mention of iOS version compatibility. After all, coconutBattery is a Mac app that provides information about Mac, iPhone, and iPad batteries. The app does not itself run on iPhone or iPad devices.
For what it’s worth, a little history: The first iPhones shipped with iPhoneOS. This lasted through iPhoneOS 3, version 3.2 of which also ran on the first iPad in 2010. Later that year, Apple changed the branding for iOS 4 with compatibility on both iPhone and iPad, though not an identical operating system install on each device.
As of version 13, Apple split the branding to iOS and iPadOS for the respective devices, but this didn’t exactly represent a change in the mobile device operating system itself, which already differentiated between iPhone and iPad.
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On 26 Jul 2023, at 19:22, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
coconutBattery as been around since before iDevices. ipadOS is only a couple of years old. I am sure the lack of a mention of ipadOS is just an oversight by the developer. IOS used to be used on iPads.
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You can get this info from Apple Menu > About This Mac > System Report > Hardware > Power*, and I’m sure that’s where coconutBattery gets it from. The great thing about the app is that it maintains a history, so each time you run it, it adds a record to that history, so you can see how the battery has declined over time.
*I’m on 10.14; this might have changed slightly since then.
Otto
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On 27 Jul 2023, at 02:43, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Which app is he using to check the battery?
I believe Coconut will tell you the number of accumulated cycles and the health of the battery.
What does Sys Prefs tell you about the battery?
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It works perfectly with our iPad Air 3. I don’t recall ever paying for coconutBattery.
Otto
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On 27 Jul 2023, at 03:22, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
coconutBattery as been around since before iDevices. ipadOS is only a couple of years old. I am sure the lack of a mention of ipadOS is just an oversight by the developer. IOS used to be used on iPads.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
On Jul 26, 2023, at 13:12, maclists <maclists@...> wrote:
?I don't see iPadOS specifically mentioned anywhere after the "in your Mac, iPhone and iPad", but would coconutBattery also work for an iPad connected via USB?
Good to see that it still works for Mojave and the licence is not expensive
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I will try the "free" version. I don't mind actually paying for "perpetual" licences. It is the dreaded "subscription" i.e. renting that I don't like.
AG
Thursday, July 27, 2023, 11:38:46 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io otto.nikolaus@... wrote:
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It works perfectly with our iPad Air 3. I don’t recall ever paying for coconutBattery.
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It has been a year or two but I used a free trial of the app iMazing. It does a few other things, but
I only used it to check battery health.
Have to download it to and connect your iPad to another computer, but it did what I wanted it to.
It costs somewhere around $50 US if you decide to keep it.
I had only been giving my iPad short little charges, probably less that 30% and after a while it decided
it did not to charge at all.
I did what has been suggested here, treated it like a Ni-Cad. Ran it down completely and then charged
it fully overnight. Trouble free since.
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On Jul 27, 2023, at 5:24 AM, maclists <maclists@...> wrote:
I will try the "free" version. I don't mind actually paying for "perpetual" licences. It is the dreaded "subscription" i.e. renting that I don't like.
AG
Thursday, July 27, 2023, 11:38:46 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io otto.nikolaus@... wrote:
It works perfectly with our iPad Air 3. I don’t recall ever paying for coconutBattery.
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I actually started with a licence for DiskAid before it got rebranded to iMazing. I use it for the "few other things" and I have both iMazing for Mac and iMazing for Windows, but I never looked for a "battery health" option. My iMazing licence is "perpetual", but it is one of the very few where I am thinking about the subscription for the already mentioned but not yet available iMazing 3.
AG
Thursday, July 27, 2023, 2:11:53 PM, Bob Hasselbrink via groups.io hippie1@... wrote:
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It has been a year or two but I used a free trial of the app iMazing. It does a few other things, but
I only used it to check battery health.
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