Hi Peter,
As far as I can determine without the schematics, the 756Pro3 uses the same
DSP, ADC and DAC as the 756Pro2. It has been reported that the noise
reduction is superior to that of the Pro2; this may suggest a slightly
faster DSP.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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-----Original Message----- From: Peter [mailto:hb9pjt@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 13:40 To: ic7000@... Subject: [ic7000] Re: Price of the IC-7000 Adam, does the 756ProIII not have a more powerfull DSP than the ProII? --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC (analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices. The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@t...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
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Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the 706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
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Ic 7000 is not for TX only Rx some one have got model numbers wrong
But .Thier is R 7000 model out have seen on a website.Yes
keith you are right in a way this radio has software problems
I read on some website the Rx frequency go up to 10000mz
this on rx model
I will have second look around the Web
gregory Mi3CDF
Keith LaBorde - K4KAL <k4kal@...> wrote:
My contacts say the radio exists already.
We will probably see it under the glass at Dayton 2005 this year.
Keith, K4KAL
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As the french article said, the picture is taken from the drawing board.
I don't think that the new brick exist in one single copy yet..
/Per
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Skickat: den 18 februari 2005 21:15
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?mne: [ic7000] FCC approval
Has anyone searched the FCC website for documents
concerning the approval cycle required by the FCC for
type acceptance or whatever they call it. This
process takes several months and must be done prior to
US marketing. The problem is knowing what ICOM called
the 7000 when they submitted it to the FCC. It could
be under a code name.
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I've heard not long ago that Japan was actually the largest amateur radio
market in the world with significantly more amateurs than the US.
This might bear looking into.
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> I agree the the USA is the largest market, but when ICOM launched the
Pro3, it is available in Europe several months before here in the USA
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On Fri, 2005-18-02 at 12:11 -0800, jdow wrote: I've heard not long ago that Japan was actually the largest amateur radio
market in the world with significantly more amateurs than the US. Ah - you beat me to it! Japan is indeed the largest market. Japan has about half of the world's radio amateurs! The US has about 25%. The rest of the countries have around 2% or less. -- 73, Brian VE7NGR
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My contacts say the radio exists already.
We will probably see it under the glass at Dayton 2005 this year.
Keith, K4KAL
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As the french article said, the picture is taken from the drawing board.
I don't think that the new brick exist in one single copy yet..
/Per
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Skickat: den 18 februari 2005 21:15
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Has anyone searched the FCC website for documents
concerning the approval cycle required by the FCC for
type acceptance or whatever they call it. This
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US marketing. The problem is knowing what ICOM called
the 7000 when they submitted it to the FCC. It could
be under a code name.
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As the french article said, the picture is taken from the drawing board.
I don’t think that the new brick exist in one single copy yet….
/Per
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Has anyone searched the FCC website for documents
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type acceptance or whatever they call it. This
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US marketing. The problem is knowing what ICOM called
the 7000 when they submitted it to the FCC. It could
be under a code name.
Chuck
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Has anyone searched the FCC website for documents
concerning the approval cycle required by the FCC for
type acceptance or whatever they call it. This
process takes several months and must be done prior to
US marketing. The problem is knowing what ICOM called
the 7000 when they submitted it to the FCC. It could
be under a code name.
Chuck
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I've heard not long ago that Japan was actually the largest amateur radio
market in the world with significantly more amateurs than the US.
This might bear looking into.
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I agree the the USA is the largest market, but when ICOM launched the
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Probably the FCC thing...
You are 100% right. It takes quite a while to get a new transmitter
approved in the USA.
Regards,
Ken W7TS
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Probably the FCC thing...
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Hi Mike,
In Europe, the old measures often linger on, but have been rationalised to
the metric system. In Germany, one can still buy "ein Pfund" (one pound) of
potatoes at the greengrocer's. One pound = precisely 0.5 kg. In Bavaria, one
orders "ein Mass Bier" (a measure of beer) at the pub. The "Mass" is a
1-litre mug.
Back to the IC-7000; its weight should be about the same as the IC-706MkIIG
- around 2.5 kg (5.5 lb, US or Imperial.)
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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-----Original Message----- From: Mike Perryman [mailto:jmperrym@...] Sent: 18 February 2005 11:15 To: ic7000@... Subject: RE: [ic7000] Re: Announced in Dayton? Just a trivial note.. I grew up in West Texas, and my cousin was the County Agricultural Extension Agent... he did, and still does measure crops in rods... Interesting, no? 73 Mike Perryman www.k5jmp.us -----Original Message----- From: Alan NV8A (ex. AB2OS) [mailto:nv8a@...] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:00 PM To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: Announced in Dayton? Arrgh!! You're right. And I am a firm believer in the metric system, even though living in the USA. My Dutch-born mother-in-law says that if she could learn the US system at age 40+, everyone else can learn the metric system if they start in school. Alan NV8A (who grew up in the UK, learning about such arcane measures as chains and "rods, poles or perches") On 02/18/05 01:51 pm Adam Farson tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup: That's 20mm (approx. 0.8"). 20cm is about 8".
(I grew up with the metric system. "Ye kynges ffoote" joined the
stable much later in my life.) 20cm (less than an inch) shorter (front to back??), according to the orig.
French article. Are there any size specs on this radio yet? I wonder if it's going to
be larger, smaller or about the same size as the 706 series.
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Check again on that airliner thing. Boeing has announced quite a few
sales of its new planes and cited some specifications that basically
undercut the AirBus cost per passenger mile.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "PA3DUV" <pa3duv@...>
If it's a hoax it's a good one.
Concerning the market: I doubt if France is a key market for Icom. To me
it looks that the USA is the biggest market for HAM radio gear so one should expect the announcement and release in the USA. But since Airbus took over the market for large jetliners from Boeing the Japanese might focus on Chirac and his friends...
Dick Knol
PA3DUV
An old Arabic adage:
The enemy of my neighbor is my friend
That's why the Dutch are in love with the USA ;-)))
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From: Eduardo Affonso
This could well be a good clue as I dont't think it happens first in
France. Laws are too tight in terms of certification and thus making
things appear later in this territory.
I guess only time will tell, but I vote this is not a hoax.
73 - Eduardo
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> What have the past ICOM patterns been for releasing new radios over
> the years? Is ICOM France usually the fist place news is heard. Or
is
> this uncharacteristic? I was wondering if this would be a clue as
to
> if this is a Hoax or not.
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That's pronbaly because rods can easily be converted to acres; they get paid bt the acre, eh what?
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If it's a hoax it's a good one.
Concerning the market: I doubt if France is a key market for Icom. To me it looks that the USA is the biggest market for HAM radio gear so one should expect the announcement and release in the USA. But since Airbus took over the market for large jetliners from Boeing the Japanese might focus on Chirac and his friends...
Dick Knol
PA3DUV
An old Arabic adage:
The enemy of my neighbor is my friend
That's why the Dutch are in love with the USA ;-)))
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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: [ic7000] Re: Past ICOM patterns?
This could well be a good clue as I dont't think it happens first in
France. Laws are too tight in terms of certification and thus making
things appear later in this territory.
I guess only time will tell, but I vote this is not a hoax.
73 - Eduardo
--- In ic7000@..., "kitdalton_page"
<kitdalton_page@y...> wrote:
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> What have the past ICOM patterns been for releasing new radios over
> the years? Is ICOM France usually the fist place news is heard. Or
is
> this uncharacteristic? I was wondering if this would be a clue as
to
> if this is a Hoax or not.
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We can't ALL start out perfect.
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Hi Alan,
That's 20mm (approx. 0.8"). 20cm is about 8".
(I grew up with the metric system. "Ye kynges ffoote" joined the stable
much later in my life.)
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Alan NV8A (ex. AB2OS) [mailto:nv8a@...]
20cm (less than an inch) shorter (front to back??), according to the orig.
French article.
Alan NV8A
On 02/18/05 06:27 am George Matyaszek tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
Are there any size specs on this radio yet? I wonder if it's going to
be larger, smaller or about the same size as the 706 series.
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Just a trivial note.. I grew up in West Texas, and my cousin was the County
Agricultural Extension Agent... he did, and still does measure crops in
rods... Interesting, no?
73
Mike Perryman
www.k5jmp.us
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-----Original Message----- From: Alan NV8A (ex. AB2OS) [mailto:nv8a@...] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:00 PM To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: Announced in Dayton? Arrgh!! You're right. And I am a firm believer in the metric system, even though living in the USA. My Dutch-born mother-in-law says that if she could learn the US system at age 40+, everyone else can learn the metric system if they start in school. Alan NV8A (who grew up in the UK, learning about such arcane measures as chains and "rods, poles or perches") On 02/18/05 01:51 pm Adam Farson tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup: That's 20mm (approx. 0.8"). 20cm is about 8".
(I grew up with the metric system. "Ye kynges ffoote" joined the stable much later in my life.) 20cm (less than an inch) shorter (front to back??), according to the orig.
French article. Are there any size specs on this radio yet? I wonder if it's going to
be larger, smaller or about the same size as the 706 series.
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This could well be a good clue as I dont't think it happens first in France. Laws are too tight in terms of certification and thus making things appear later in this territory. I guess only time will tell, but I vote this is not a hoax. 73 - Eduardo --- In ic7000@..., "kitdalton_page" <kitdalton_page@y...> wrote:
What have the past ICOM patterns been for releasing new radios over
the years? Is ICOM France usually the fist place news is heard. Or
is this uncharacteristic? I was wondering if this would be a clue as to if this is a Hoax or not.
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You must have had a happy childhood Adam.
We still use metric on this side of the pond;-))
Cheers, Dick Knol
PA3DUV
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Hi Alan,
That's 20mm (approx. 0.8"). 20cm is about 8".
(I grew up with the metric system. "Ye kynges ffoote" joined the stable much
later in my life.)
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Alan NV8A (ex. AB2OS) [mailto:nv8a@...]
Sent: 18 February 2005 10:19
To: ic7000@...
Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: Announced in Dayton?
20cm (less than an inch) shorter (front to back??), according to the orig.
French article.
Alan NV8A
On 02/18/05 06:27 am George Matyaszek tossed the following ingredients into
the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:
>
> Are there any size specs on this radio yet? I wonder if it's going to
> be larger, smaller or about the same size as the 706 series.
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