I have watched video of the Felder 250, and it seems like quite a useful mortiser. I have a Powermatic vertical mortiser, and it is quite limited. Not well built, either.
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I¡¯ve tried a Domino, and think I¡¯d choose that over either my Powermatic or the Felder. I do not produce things commercially, and understand that a commercial facility doing production runs may have different needs.
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John Hinman
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Hijacking this thread slightly, but I¡¯m also curious in the horizontal mortiser discussion. I picked up a larger automatic hollow chisel mortiser a couple weeks ago, and haven¡¯t used it yet, but I¡¯m curious if I made the right choice. One concern I have is the automatic mortisers almost have to use vintage tooling¡ªgreenlee, Forrest city, etc¡ª-that will eventually become hard/impossible to source. Second, it¡¯s my understanding the greenlee 227 and wysong miles 284 eat up tooling less than 1/2¡±. Just too aggressive for smaller tooling. Lastly, I¡¯m in a basement and space is a little tight. The greenlee takes up a big footprint compared to a euro horizontal mortiser.?
Is there a video or instructional set of photos for the Felder unit making square holes? I see the option on the website, but I am not following how that accessory actually works.?
Is the hollow chisel mortiser antiquated and obsolete? Will a decent slot mortiser like a griggio etc. outperform the greenlee 227? Is setup easy and fast on a horizontal mortiser??
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:54?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Tom,
I can confirm that you can add?chisel mortising and dowel boring because I did that on my 2nd hand FD250. It is 2011, 2.2KW, 3Ph single speed machine so not sure if things have changed over the years.
Surprisingly, I received a set of pictures from the Felder technician (not official Felder documentation) that made the install easy. It had been a few yrs now but don¡¯t recall any issues.
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Yes, the mechanical DRO I mentioned is the counter for the system hand wheel. Once I got it calibrated it's been very precise.?
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For single phase, yes there is a variable speed option. I try to go three phase whenever possible, and am skeptical about variable speed anything, but yes there is definitely an option.?
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As David Best points out, the MultiRouter is a great machine for furniture work, but you're limited to smaller pieces (the motor is fixed, table moves), and you're limited to 1/2" and smaller shank tooling, whereas the FD-250 (and other horizontal mortisers) will accept up to 20mm diameter shanks.?
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As Joe points out, the Rangate dowel bits are awesome. Carbide-tipped and oversized by 0.1mm, they are a perfect complement to their Rot-Resist dowels. Now that I've calibrated the 16mm dowel boring template to the cast iron table, it's a pretty simple task to use the cast iron block and the dowel bar to bore properly indexed dowel holes, so assembly is a breeze.?
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It's important to note that the "chisel mortising" and "dowel boring" options are ostensibly "Factory-only" options. I've been told that you can order the parts after the fact, but I wouldn't want to spend the time trying to retrofit them. My thought process was that I was better off just ordering a fully tricked-out machine, that way I wouldn't find myself wanting for features at a later time, and this way the machine would have broader appeal if/when I were to eventually sell it.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Yes, that's correct.? You can order through here, this is the tongue and groove section of their web site:
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You will have to set up a free account your first time, and then it's all pretty seamless.??
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Brent
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Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Brent,
Please share a link of where you order from. I only see whitehill site from Luton, UK.
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On Dec 7, 2024, at 6:02?PM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote: ? No, directly from Whitehill.? I got a set of knives from them in 29 hours after notification of shipping!? That's not normal, it's more like 2-3 days as normal for me.? I'm 75mins away from Toronto, so fairly close to a big center which may help.
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No, directly from Whitehill.? I got a set of knives from them in 29 hours after notification of shipping!? That's not normal, it's more like 2-3 days as normal for me.? I'm 75mins away from Toronto, so fairly close to a big center which may help.
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Hi Brent,
Is this by ordering from Scott & Sargent?
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On Dec 7, 2024, at 4:33?PM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote: ? ?
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You can run whitehill's 55mm knives in those heads too.? Hundreds of profile options in M2 steel and somehow delivered to my place in southern Ontatio in 2-3 days fairly often if in stock.??
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You can run whitehill's 55mm knives in those heads too.? Hundreds of profile options in M2 steel and somehow delivered to my place in southern Ontatio in 2-3 days fairly often if in stock.??
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On Dec 7, 2024, at 10:59?AM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote:
Joe,
The following 40mm #031 profile cutter has cuts below the flat limiter edge.
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James
I agree that the proper limiter is better but if you are power feeding it is fine to use the flat limiter. If hand feeding then the proper limiter is a nice safety feature. ?
When talking about the 40mm knives for these particular cutter heads I don¡¯t think any profiles have cuts below the flat limiter edge.? I think all profiles are from the flat limiter and out.
I remember struggling with getting knives and limiters for these cutter heads years ago.? I found that I could get knives from Guhdo or Felder at the time and Guhdo was much faster.? The knives and limiters were not widely available in the US around 2010 that I could find.? The fellow from Guhdo pointed out that I could use the flat limiter with any profile as long as power feeding and that was very helpful. ?
I had several of these cutter heads and would leave them set up, using flat limiters saved money.? I had two cutter heads set up for tongue and groove.
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Hi John,
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is there a rivet there blocking the way? ?My RL125 has two that I would need to file down in order to fit a machine adapter. ?I opted for a 1ft flex hose straight to the inlet anyways for machine vibration isolation from the duct. ?You could maybe use an 8in small section or a small section of 200mm from Felder.
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Andrew Goodwin
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Hi all,
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I¡¯m in the process of installing some new Nordfab ducting. I hit a minor roadblock right out of the gate: the 8¡± QF machine adapter doesn¡¯t quite fit on the inlet of my RL200. It¡¯s close enough that I spent a fair bit of time fiddling around tapping the RL¡¯s inlet with a mallet, since it¡¯s not particularly precise in its roundness. I eventually conceded that approach as a failure.
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I¡¯ve been searching here and elsewhere, but haven¡¯t found any accounts of or solutions to this problem. ?Since the adapter *almost* fits, I could very likely just kerf one or both sides to gain the needed clearance. ?But before I cut metal, I thought I¡¯d ask here (and an email to my vendor, who ofc had already closed for the weekend) if anyone knows of a standard or otherwise clever way to tackle this problem?
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Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Joe,
The following 40mm #031 profile cutter has cuts below the flat limiter edge.  James
I agree that the proper limiter is better but if you are power feeding it is fine to use the flat limiter. If hand feeding then the proper limiter is a nice safety feature. ?
When talking about the 40mm knives for these particular cutter heads I don¡¯t think any profiles have cuts below the flat limiter edge.? I think all profiles are from the flat limiter and out.
I remember struggling with getting knives and limiters for these cutter heads years ago.? I found that I could get knives from Guhdo or Felder at the time and Guhdo was much faster.? The knives and limiters were not widely available in the US around 2010 that I could find.? The fellow from Guhdo pointed out that I could use the flat limiter with any profile as long as power feeding and that was very helpful. ?
I had several of these cutter heads and would leave them set up, using flat limiters saved money.? I had two cutter heads set up for tongue and groove. ??
You could make the argument that it would be better than nothing, but only if absolutely no part of that straight knife protruded beyond any part of the cutters projection.? Best to have both made for eachother....
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I agree that the proper limiter is better but if you are power feeding it is fine to use the flat limiter. If hand feeding then the proper limiter is a nice safety feature. ?
When talking about the 40mm knives for these particular cutter heads I don¡¯t think any profiles have cuts below the flat limiter edge. ?I think all profiles are from the flat limiter and out.
I remember struggling with getting knives and limiters for these cutter heads years ago. ?I found that I could get knives from Guhdo or Felder at the time and Guhdo was much faster. ?The knives and limiters were not widely available in the US around 2010 that I could find. ?The fellow from Guhdo pointed out that I could use the flat limiter with any profile as long as power feeding and that was very helpful. ?
I had several of these cutter heads and would leave them set up, using flat limiters saved money. ?I had two cutter heads set up for tongue and groove.
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On Dec 7, 2024, at 10:25?AM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote:
You could make the argument that it would be better than nothing, but only if absolutely no part of that straight knife protruded beyond any part of the cutters projection.? Best to have both made for eachother....
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Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
You could make the argument that it would be better than nothing, but only if absolutely no part of that straight knife protruded beyond any part of the cutters projection.? Best to have both made for eachother....
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I think as a fallback you can use the flat limiter with any profile. ?
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On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:59?AM, Brent via groups.io <dovetailtimber@...> wrote:
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Imran, what I meant was the shops who do custom grinding of profiles for your Felder euroblock don't all grind the limiters too.? Some will only do the cutters, though I believe some of them will do the limiters too.??
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Brent, Thanks for the clarification.
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Imran, what I meant was the shops who do custom grinding of profiles for your Felder euroblock don't all grind the limiters too.? Some will only do the cutters, though I believe some of them will do the limiters too.??
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Imran, what I meant was the shops who do custom grinding of profiles for your Felder euroblock don't all grind the limiters too.? Some will only do the cutters, though I believe some of them will do the limiters too.??
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My $.02, if looking for custom knives 3/8" corrugated is a better value than 40/50mm pin knives. At least in my experience.?
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 11:53 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Sorry for the confusion caused by the picture I shared as an example. As the title say and the end of my original msg says, ¡°I am looking for someone who can do a custom knife set for me, 40 mm tall.¡±
Brent, You are correct, most Amana series don¡¯t come with limiters. FWIW, I have used a rebate limiter with one I bought that did not come with limiter but I got them from Felder after 6 weeks or so. ? Looks like CMT 016 profile cutter's price is only 50% of the Dimar cutter's price from . Doing woodwooding is really expensive in Canada.
Btw, looks like Imran is looking for the limiter to the 016 profile commodity cutter from Felder.?
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:58?AM Jared Sankovich via <Sankovichj= [email protected]> wrote: If you just want the standard commodity 40/50mm profile knives most places (including Amazon) carry them. The the number system is standardized. Cmt or amana will be common in the us.?
016 knife:
I bought some Dimar profile cutters and limiters from The profile cutters Felder offers are common Euro profile?cutters. Those profiles are offered by many different companies.? Amana Tool 64F016 Imran mentioned is the same as?
Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.
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Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Imran,
This is the limiter for #016 profile cutter from . Maybe you can find a US supplier?selling at the lower price.
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 11:53?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Sorry for the confusion caused by the picture I shared as an example. As the title say and the end of my original msg says, ¡°I am looking for someone who can do a custom knife set for me, 40 mm tall.¡±
Brent, You are correct, most Amana series don¡¯t come with limiters. FWIW, I have used a rebate limiter with one I bought that did not come with limiter but I got them from Felder after 6 weeks or so. ? Looks like CMT 016 profile cutter's price is only 50% of the Dimar cutter's price from . Doing woodwooding is really expensive in Canada.
Btw, looks like Imran is looking for the limiter to the 016 profile commodity cutter from Felder.?
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:58?AM Jared Sankovich via <Sankovichj= [email protected]> wrote: If you just want the standard commodity 40/50mm profile knives most places (including Amazon) carry them. The the number system is standardized. Cmt or amana will be common in the us.?
016 knife:
I bought some Dimar profile cutters and limiters from The profile cutters Felder offers are common Euro profile?cutters. Those profiles are offered by many different companies.? Amana Tool 64F016 Imran mentioned is the same as?
Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.
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Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter
Sorry for the confusion caused by the picture I shared as an example. As the title say and the end of my original msg says, ¡°I am looking for someone who can do a custom knife set for me, 40 mm tall.¡±
Brent, You are correct, most Amana series don¡¯t come with limiters. FWIW, I have used a rebate limiter with one I bought that did not come with limiter but I got them from Felder after 6 weeks or so.
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On Dec 7, 2024, at 11:19?AM, James Zhu via groups.io <james.zhu2@...> wrote: ? Looks like CMT 016 profile cutter's price is only 50% of the Dimar cutter's price from . Doing woodwooding is really expensive in Canada.
Btw, looks like Imran is looking for the limiter to the 016 profile commodity cutter from Felder.?
James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:58?AM Jared Sankovich via <Sankovichj= [email protected]> wrote: If you just want the standard commodity 40/50mm profile knives most places (including Amazon) carry them. The the number system is standardized. Cmt or amana will be common in the us.?
016 knife:
I bought some Dimar profile cutters and limiters from The profile cutters Felder offers are common Euro profile?cutters. Those profiles are offered by many different companies.? Amana Tool 64F016 Imran mentioned is the same as?
Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.
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Thanks for the references. ?There are some really interesting points in there around drift. I¡¯m inclined to repeat some of Derek¡¯s experiments.
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imran
Ron Pomeroy