Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Looks like CMT 016 profile cutter's price is only 50% of the Dimar cutter's price from . Doing woodwooding is really expensive in Canada.

Btw, looks like Imran is looking for the limiter to the 016 profile commodity cutter from Felder.?

James

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:58?AM Jared Sankovich via <Sankovichj=[email protected]> wrote:

If you just want the standard commodity 40/50mm profile knives most places (including Amazon) carry them. The the number system is standardized. Cmt or amana will be common in the us.?

016 knife:

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 10:34 AM James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:
I bought some Dimar profile cutters and limiters from

The profile cutters Felder offers are common Euro profile?cutters. Those profiles are offered by many different companies.?

Amana Tool 64F016 Imran mentioned is the same as?

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:13?AM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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If you just want the standard commodity 40/50mm profile knives most places (including Amazon) carry them. The the number system is standardized. Cmt or amana will be common in the us.?

016 knife:

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 10:34 AM James Zhu via <james.zhu2=[email protected]> wrote:

I bought some Dimar profile cutters and limiters from

The profile cutters Felder offers are common Euro profile?cutters. Those profiles are offered by many different companies.?

Amana Tool 64F016 Imran mentioned is the same as?

James

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:13?AM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:
Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.

Re: sliding table saw: parallel fence vs 2nd crosscut fence? #k700s

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?Wade great idea,

I will be happy to sell my Design manufacturing fixtures and patterns a reasonable cost. Electric bolt underneath I don’t think there’s any bolts down there lift up again once seems like around here. It’s the safest way to take this off Pin casting can’t can’t. I think the easiest way is just to take that piss off right here do you think no idea let’s try and just pull it this way OK no it’s caught on the bottom on the bottom there. It won’t lift it up. It’s caught up over the edge. It’s like a channel 3/16 730 very well Metric. This is probably three different type of bolts on it metric standard and Lithuanian or something like that. Not really have any English tools. It’s pretty common the Woodweb thread European and older their style. It’s very very similar to to find SAE American SAE there is a little difference like maybe half inches 11 threads per inch and I think Wentworth might be 12 probably really annoying when you’re looking at a fastener like this should go in there. Nice thing about this when you take this off it should sit right back in the right place sit sitting on that ledge down there, but that is a stupid fucking way to do this. Jesus Christ didn’t I went to the easiest method I guess yeah maybe but it is what it is. They’re having the shelf behind her. That’s just sitting right there and moving probably right there.Sure, your bread was manufacture. It’s 947 place. I guess we get back. I can come back together for sure. These are the two bolts for that if you’re itching to get into making something that would be all you really need to hook up to let me ask nate if he’s got a few minutes for you. It would be best if we could put it back together.

You would need at least vertical mail with a

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On Oct 9, 2024, at 12:17?PM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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I am like John.

Using the parallel fence and the outrigger to cut long boards. For short pieces I am using David bedrosian F&F.

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another thing worth to mention is that the parallel fence is mounted on the P channel of the rail, which isn’t guaranteed to be parallel to the blade, so you can have few mm difference between two spots on the slider.

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i built a magnet base to stop block like David Lucky did.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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I bought some Dimar profile cutters and limiters from

The profile cutters Felder offers are common Euro profile?cutters. Those profiles are offered by many different companies.?

Amana Tool 64F016 Imran mentioned is the same as?

James

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 10:13?AM Brent via <dovetailtimber=[email protected]> wrote:

Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Did you want limiters too?? Not all north American shops are familiar with them though some are.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Thanks Jared. Will contact him instead.

Imran Malik

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On Dec 7, 2024, at 9:32?AM, Jared Sankovich via groups.io <Sankovichj@...> wrote:

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That must be a different mt tool.?

Neil is in Baltimore.

On the? plus side he is extremely fast. I've had corrugated knives in less than 24 hours from emailing a drawing to the knives showing up at my door.?

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 9:23 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Joe and Jared. MT Tools is in Schaumburg, IL and be great for me. Will contact them Monday.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 9:19?AM, Jared Sankovich via <Sankovichj=[email protected]> wrote:

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Joe, you are correct, I've had Neil cut 40mm knives.?

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 9:12 AM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:
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I’ve had Hot Knives make those. They can use the better and thicker steel also. Those heads will accept 1mm thicker than standard for the knife.
I bet Neil at MT tool could as well.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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That must be a different mt tool.?

Neil is in Baltimore.

On the? plus side he is extremely fast. I've had corrugated knives in less than 24 hours from emailing a drawing to the knives showing up at my door.?

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 9:23 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Joe and Jared. MT Tools is in Schaumburg, IL and be great for me. Will contact them Monday.

Imran Malik

On Dec 7, 2024, at 9:19?AM, Jared Sankovich via <Sankovichj=[email protected]> wrote:

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Joe, you are correct, I've had Neil cut 40mm knives.?

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 9:12 AM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:
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I’ve had Hot Knives make those. They can use the better and thicker steel also. Those heads will accept 1mm thicker than standard for the knife.
I bet Neil at MT tool could as well.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Thanks Joe and Jared. MT Tools is in Schaumburg, IL and be great for me. Will contact them Monday.

Imran Malik

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On Dec 7, 2024, at 9:19?AM, Jared Sankovich via groups.io <Sankovichj@...> wrote:

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Joe, you are correct, I've had Neil cut 40mm knives.?

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 9:12 AM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:

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I’ve had Hot Knives make those. They can use the better and thicker steel also. Those heads will accept 1mm thicker than standard for the knife.
I bet Neil at MT tool could as well.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Joe, you are correct, I've had Neil cut 40mm knives.?

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 9:12 AM Joe Calhoon via <joecalhoon=[email protected]> wrote:

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I’ve had Hot Knives make those. They can use the better and thicker steel also. Those heads will accept 1mm thicker than standard for the knife.
I bet Neil at MT tool could as well.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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I’ve had Hot Knives make those. They can use the better and thicker steel also. Those heads will accept 1mm thicker than standard for the knife.
I bet Neil at MT tool could as well.

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Thanks Andy, that is in UK correct. Should have added, looking for a source in USA.

Imran Malik

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On Dec 7, 2024, at 8:26?AM, Andy via groups.io <andy.raynor08@...> wrote:

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Whitehill tools?

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:18?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

I have not checked with Felder as it is not going to be quick. Took them 6 weeks to get me limiters for a standard knife.

These are also referred to as 64F series or 690 series and look like this

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I am looking for someone who can do a custom knife set for me, 40 mm tall.

Imran Malik

Re: Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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Whitehill tools?

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 8:18?AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

I have not checked with Felder as it is not going to be quick. Took them 6 weeks to get me limiters for a standard knife.

These are also referred to as 64F series or 690 series and look like this

I am looking for someone who can do a custom knife set for me, 40 mm tall.

Imran Malik

Source for custom knives for 40 mm Felder safety cutter

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I have not checked with Felder as it is not going to be quick. Took them 6 weeks to get me limiters for a standard knife.

These are also referred to as 64F series or 690 series and look like this

I am looking for someone who can do a custom knife set for me, 40 mm tall.

Imran Malik

Re: F700Z slider to cast-iron height difference

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Hi Cornelius,

It is a shame that you can’t mount PF to your Jointer. As to your concern about bow staying there due to PF, David Best and Lucky have addressed this here may be others too.

In case I don’t remember their recommendation exactly, I would share what I do. I put concave side down. Usually the boards are such that a 3 mm depth of cut is sufficient. Once that amount is removed and the board has traveled ~50 mm the PF picks it up. Can it push the rest of the board down? Well it started out as a cut with no significant downward force just like one would do by hand and is now sitting flush on the outfeed. Pushing it further down at that point, should not do anything to the rest of the board. Boards with significant twist will need some work prior or just should be done by hand.

In this stack of 20 some boards I had to run maybe 4 boards again with 1 mm depth of cut to get them flat.

Imran Malik

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On Dec 6, 2024, at 4:47?PM, Cornelius via groups.io <Cornelius@...> wrote:

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David - Thank you for your input. The suggestion of building a sled that covers the slider as well as part of the cast iron table (with layers of the foil tape on the bottom side) seems like the perfect solution. The only part that is not yet clear to me is how you deal with the ring inserts that?usually provide support right by the cutterhead. Depending on which size head I use, I would have to mount the entire sled further away from the fence which?may make the support of the workpiece problematic? Also, I suppose you do not clamp above the cast iron with this sled when using the slider since it would flex too much and bind with the cast iron? Would you still recommend I get the Felder tenoning plate for its stiffness and rigid build when I make narrow tenons??

Lastly, when you say my sliding table could use some alignment attention, you mean because?I get binding or because?0.2mm is too much of a height?difference in your opinion? The machine originally shipped with 0.6mm (right) and 0.3mm (left), but I have since corrected this to be 0.2mm on both sides. As you say, the last 10+% on either side are a different story.

Imran - yes, PF for jointer is something else I have been reading up on in the FOG archives. Haven't?come to a conclusion yet. Someone pointed to the fact that a feeder might press a bow out of a board that will be there again once out of the constraints of the feeder? I work a lot with very thick and bulky hardwoods (tropical 50-65 mm thick and 160-200mm wide) so I can't shave several mm off in a single pass. Feeding by hand, I usually go max 1mm in each pass. Another problem is that my AD741 does not come with a place to mount a feeder, so I would need to have a very solid independent place to bolt the feeder where it won't flex away from the jointer, yet can swing away when I need to open the unit to use the thicknesser. Really don't understand why Felder has mounting options for the bigger units, but not for the AD741?

Many thanks to you both for your very helpful feedback!

Cornelius Schultze-Kraft

Cyprus

Re: F700Z slider to cast-iron height difference

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Netanel, if you’re setting a toe-out on a sliding table in a stand alone shaper to avoid binding your reference should be your shaper fence as this is where the binding could happen.?

To make it easier on yourself when setting it up, I would make sure your shaper fence is parallel to the cast iron edge first as it is fairly easy to initially measure the gap between the cast iron and the slider and then fine tune it with a dial indicator on the fence (assuming the fence extrusions are flat).

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I’m really new to woodworking, so I do not know ( it would be really interesting to know from the experts ) if a toe-out on a stand alone shaper is necessary, cause at least in (my) theory it may not be desirable. I have a KF 700 S saw/shaper combo and thanks to David Best, his book and personal help I was able to really dial in my slider well beyond anything that is possible for a Felder technician to achieve, given time constraints and measuring equipment they equip technicians with. I set up my slider with a slight toe-out for safety on the saw, so the shaper got the same. This never came up in my conversations with David, but I think on a stand alone shaper, I would aim for the slider trajectory to be perfectly parallel to the fence, which in my theory would give you the most accurate results shaping wide and long pieces utilizing the slider.?

Mariusz

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I‘m sorry David, started typing before you posted your response?

Re: F700Z slider to cast-iron height difference

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In general, on a shaper, you want the trajectory of the sliding table to be parallel with the fence plates on the shaper hood. This way you can use any point along shaper fence as a bump-stop reference to establish the depth of cut of a profiling operation and still be able to have the material clamped to the sliding table. ?If the two are not parallel, material clamped to the slider will either move away from the fence plate as it goes through the profiling operation giving you an erroneous depth of cut, or the material will bind against the fence when the slider is pushed forward. ?

On a KF700/F700, the 230 shaper hood mounting arrangement typically has enough wiggle room to be able to align the fence plates to the trajectory of the sliding table during hood/fence setup, and thus aligning the sliding table to the edge of the cast iron top is probably sufficient. ?That said, I would still mount the hood and check that the fence plates can easily be positioned to be parallel with the slider movement. ?How do you align the fence plates to the trajectory of the sliding table on such a machine? The easiest way is to first mount and square a crosscut fence to the slider movement, then put a square against the crosscut fence and use the 90-degree leg as the reference surface to align the fence plate before locking down the hood. ?

But on a machine like a Profil 45, the hood and fence plates move in/out in a rigidly controlled parallel fashion, so aligning the slider movement to be parallel with the infeed fence plate is the correct approach. ?

I refer you to these two videos - read the descriptions with each. ?

David Best - via mobile phone?

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On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:25?AM, netanel.belgazal via groups.io <netanel.belgazal@...> wrote:

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Thanks david,

I watched your video again, but the toe-out of the slider is adjusted based on the table saw blade, but on a standalone shaper you don't have a blade, so what would you reference?
Does the edge of the cast iron is good enough?

Re: F700Z slider to cast-iron height difference

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Thanks david,

I watched your video again, but the toe-out of the slider is adjusted based on the table saw blade, but on a standalone shaper you don't have a blade, so what would you reference?
Does the edge of the cast iron is good enough?

Re: F700Z slider to cast-iron height difference

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I believe that gap you see is an illusion because of the poor lighting/shadows. ?The corner edges of the tenoning plate are chamfered, and it is also relieved at both ends on the underside by about 0.028-inches or ~0.7mm.?

I just checked my slider to be sure - the slider is 0.006-inches above the cast iron top which is ~0.15mm. ?

David Best - via mobile phone?

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On Dec 6, 2024, at 4:14?PM, Cornelius via groups.io <Cornelius@...> wrote:

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David,

Thank you for your additional comments and helpful hints. Yes, my sliding table stays coplanar for the section of travel I use when tenoning. It is a short slider. I would think twice to start adjusting my saw's slider that is 3.2 meters and has 8 bolts (as in your video). Far more involved and complex.?

Regarding the tenoning plate - in the flicker link you sent there is a photo from the side of your setup (attaching a slightly zoomed in copy). In this photo your height gap between the tenoning plate and the cast iron top is only 0.15mm? The plate seems to float quite a bit above the cast iron or is the shadow misleading?

Many thanks.?

Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?
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Re: Version 2.0 Fritz & Franz jig

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It seems that there are now a lot more YouTube videos on Fritz Franz and jigs - clamps for sliders. ?I also saw one that uses Brian's parallel fences.

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If you search "Fritz Franz", many come up.

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As for me, I am happy with my Fritz Franz, pictures posted in the past. If I were to re-do, I would think about incorporating the Accurate Technology DRO where they can make the fences to any length you want. ?An upside would be the DRO readout in imperial vs metric and the downside would be the increased weight (and the cost). ?

Re: F700Z slider to cast-iron height difference

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David,

Thank you for your additional comments and helpful hints. Yes, my sliding table stays coplanar for the section of travel I use when tenoning. It is a short slider. I would think twice to start adjusting my saw's slider that is 3.2 meters and has 8 bolts (as in your video). Far more involved and complex.?

Regarding the tenoning plate - in the flicker link you sent there is a photo from the side of your setup (attaching a slightly zoomed in copy). In this photo your height gap between the tenoning plate and the cast iron top is only 0.15mm? The plate seems to float quite a bit above the cast iron or is the shadow misleading?

Many thanks.?

Cornelius Schultze-Kraft?

Cyprus?

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