On Jul 1, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Anthony Quesada <tonymiga2@...> wrote:

David,

Count me as very interested in your process for excel to fusion parametric import. ?Saving and exporting parametric lists has been a feature I have been craving and from my research there was no easy solution.

Anthony

On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Sawdust77 <rscotthanna@...> wrote:

I have been getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and want to use it for four things:

1. Designing woodworking projects and making rendered images, drawings, and cut lists for them.
2. Designing woodworking projects to be cut on my CNC which uses Mach4 control software.
3. Designing objects for 3D printing.
4. Design of electronic projects (This is a low priority as I have other options)

I do this purely as a hobby, not a business. I just found out about 3DEXPERIENCE SOLIDWORKS? for Makers. It is my understanding that this version of Solidworks has almost all the features of the professional versions. The issues/limitations that I am aware of are:

• The watermarks on exported native file formats (as Brian Lamb pointed out). They prevent exporting native file formats for use in other software including the professional versions of Solidworks. They can, however, be imported and used by other people who have maker versions of the software. The export of generic (dumb) file formats are supported without restriction.
• The fact that it is web based. I really don¡¯t like this, but Fusion is web based too.
• The fact that it will not allow any 3^rd party plugins. I¡¯m not sure this is really that important to me for my use cases, am I missing something?
• The CAM part of the software (I believe it¡¯s called shop floor manufacturing) seems limited to 3 axes. My CNC currently supports 3 axes but could add a fourth. I would use the fourth axis to add a turning capability.
• The fact that it is not free. At only $99 per year this is really a non-issue for me.

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Some of the unknowns for me include:

• How does the learning curve for Solidworks compare to Fusion?
• What is the availability/cost of training?

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Since it supposedly has all the Solidworks professional version features (except as noted above), I assume it will have design layers and part nesting. These features were recently mentioned by David Best who indicated that the Fusion team has no interest in providing them. I don¡¯t know how long the Maker version has been available, but I was hoping you would comment David on whether you considered this version of Solidworks and if so, why you chose Fusion.

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I have invested a fair amount of time in leaning Fusion but I am certainly not an expert. To gain fully featured professional CAD software, I could be convinced to switch. All the above is based on my somewhat limited research I have done this weekend. It may certainly contain mistakes and/or misunderstandings. I would very much like to take advantage of the group¡¯s expertise and ask for your feedback.

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Thanks in advance.

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On Jul 1, 2023, at 6:12 PM, Larry Long Neck <longneckwood@...> wrote:

Shapr3d is great, and it's what I currently use (supports windows OS as well), but if someone is proficient in fusion360, they might find Shapr3d to be a bit lacking on features.

You still get constraint based sketches in Shapr3d that you use to build your 3d bodies initially, but then you can use direct modeling once they exist. It's a nice balance between SketchUp and fusion360 for me, but i was specifically looking for direct modeling capabilities in something that wasn't SketchUp :)

When switching to Shapr3d from fusion360, you lose all of the parametric capabilities and the timeline features. I think that fusion360 also has a more powerful renderer for making nice pictures of your models? I'm not sure if Shapr3d works well for creating the solid bodies (is this the right term?) used for 3d printing or not, but I definitely haven't seen a way to do any type of part nesting in Shapr3d. I'm not aware of third party plugin support on Shapr3d either, but maybe it exists.
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Larry Long Neck

Just a noob trying to learn the ways of wood

I have been getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and want to use it for four things:

1. Designing woodworking projects and making rendered images, drawings, and cut lists for them.
2. Designing woodworking projects to be cut on my CNC which uses Mach4 control software.
3. Designing objects for 3D printing.
4. Design of electronic projects (This is a low priority as I have other options)

I do this purely as a hobby, not a business. I just found out about 3DEXPERIENCE SOLIDWORKS? for Makers. It is my understanding that this version of Solidworks has almost all the features of the professional versions. The issues/limitations that I am aware of are:

• The watermarks on exported native file formats (as Brian Lamb pointed out). They prevent exporting native file formats for use in other software including the professional versions of Solidworks. They can, however, be imported and used by other people who have maker versions of the software. The export of generic (dumb) file formats are supported without restriction.
• The fact that it is web based. I really don¡¯t like this, but Fusion is web based too.
• The fact that it will not allow any 3^rd party plugins. I¡¯m not sure this is really that important to me for my use cases, am I missing something?
• The CAM part of the software (I believe it¡¯s called shop floor manufacturing) seems limited to 3 axes. My CNC currently supports 3 axes but could add a fourth. I would use the fourth axis to add a turning capability.
• The fact that it is not free. At only $99 per year this is really a non-issue for me.

Some of the unknowns for me include:

• How does the learning curve for Solidworks compare to Fusion?
• What is the availability/cost of training?

Since it supposedly has all the Solidworks professional version features (except as noted above), I assume it will have design layers and part nesting. These features were recently mentioned by David Best who indicated that the Fusion team has no interest in providing them. I don¡¯t know how long the Maker version has been available, but I was hoping you would comment David on whether you considered this version of Solidworks and if so, why you chose Fusion.

I have invested a fair amount of time in leaning Fusion but I am certainly not an expert. To gain fully featured professional CAD software, I could be convinced to switch. All the above is based on my somewhat limited research I have done this weekend. It may certainly contain mistakes and/or misunderstandings. I would very much like to take advantage of the group¡¯s expertise and ask for your feedback.

Thanks in advance.

- Scott Hanna

On Jul 1, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Joshua Tolve <joshuatolve@...> wrote:

?I can confirm the 2nd leg, I just completed the commissioning form for my saw shaper.?

Tolve construction

On Jul 1, 2023, at 12:19 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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I have an odd interest in Felder electrical schematics. The one you shared is very intriguing. I do not have exposure to older Felder schematics, so this one is new to me. More on this later, but I would follow Rod¡¯s direction to identify the 2 lines connected to the transformer. I checked Rod¡¯s suggestion against one schematic and it looks good. Basically, the way machine is wired only one pair will measure resistance, which is the resistance of the transformer input winding. A measurement on the 2 other pairings should be high resistance as you are measuring an open. If you measure resistance on more than 1 pair then I would not use this method. In that case, there are slightly more involved methods that could be utilized. BTW, I did not follow Rod¡¯s step 6, I think there is a word missing but I understand the concept, hopefully you do too.

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Now back to your schematic. Your machine uses a PCB mounted solution. I have seen pictures of a larger PCB in an older KF700 but this one is rather small. It is from Siemens and PN is C98 451-D6094-A1. It is obsolete but I found a German site that apparently offers repaired units.

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Read on if further details are of interest to you. There are 3 images on the site but one below is good for illustration. I have attached a marked up drawing of this board, identifying few components and transferring signal types to the connectors for ease in locating them.

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The 24 VAC transformer is on bottom left. Based upon other Felder schematics that I have looked at, here is what I believe are some key components. K1 and K4 (tall black blocks with white covers) are relays. Typically one is start relay that turns on momentarily and then drops off, the 2^nd one is latched and drops off with red button or any interlock. 3 brick red coils (with a wire going thru the middle) are for current sensing, assuming for braking function. Two white blocks, identified on mark up as S1 & S2, are likely for adjusting brake force and duration.

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of chris connolly
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2023 11:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] 3 phase high leg placement

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Thanks for that Rod. The Felder tech I spoke with yesterday told me that 99% of the time the manufactured leg will go to Line 2 on the machine (usually brown wire). I will try you method to verify. ?I have attached the wiring diagram from my F700 shaper, any chance you could explain how one might decipher where the manufactured ?leg should go based on the diagram? Thank you ?

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On Jun 29, 2023, at 6:22 PM, rodsheridan <riderofgallifrey@...> wrote:

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Hi, the issue is to determine which 2 phases the control power supplies for the machine are connected to, you want those two lines connected to the non manufactured line of the phase converter.

If you have a true digital phase converter (rectifier/inverter) then it doesn?€?t matter, if you have a rotary converter it does matter.

You can check the drawing for your machine however I normally use a DVM to verify it.

1) unplug the machine, or open the breaker in the distribution panel

2) using AC Volts on the meter verify that you have no power in the machine

3) close (Turn on) the disconnect switch for the machine

4) using Ohms function on the DVM measure Phase A to Phase B, Phase A to phase C, and Phase B to Phase C

5) only one of those pairs will have continuity, maybe 10 to 100 ohms, this pair is the one with the control power supplies, it must be fed from the non manufactured line

6) you now need to either one of the control power leads in the machine to the non manufactured phase or reverse one pair of phases in the machine plug (doesn?€?t matter which pair)

7) If your machine motor goes backwards after changing the plug above, interchange one pair of wires going to the motor to reverse rotation, it doesn?€?t matter which pair.

Regards, Rod

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<Siemens C98 451-D6094-A1 Mark up.JPG>

On Jul 1, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Mike <mike@...> wrote:

Thanks to Imran for getting me oriented on the alignment procedure. Remembering how hard it was to install the plastic end on the euro blade guard, I was hesitant to remove the shroud that ties the two tables together, because the blade guard needs removed. I learned that it's not practical to align the machine without removing the shroud, so I modified one of the plastic ends to slide out. It just requires removing the top lip.

I attach the procedure that worked for me and hope it's accurate enough to be useful for someone else.? I'd imagine there are other variables and I was lucky, but this procedure produced flat boards in under two hours.? <Felder AD941 Table Alignment Procedure.docx>

On Jul 1, 2023, at 12:19 PM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Hi Chris,

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I have an odd interest in Felder electrical schematics. The one you shared is very intriguing. I do not have exposure to older Felder schematics, so this one is new to me. More on this later, but I would follow Rod¡¯s direction to identify the 2 lines connected to the transformer. I checked Rod¡¯s suggestion against one schematic and it looks good. Basically, the way machine is wired only one pair will measure resistance, which is the resistance of the transformer input winding. A measurement on the 2 other pairings should be high resistance as you are measuring an open. If you measure resistance on more than 1 pair then I would not use this method. In that case, there are slightly more involved methods that could be utilized. BTW, I did not follow Rod¡¯s step 6, I think there is a word missing but I understand the concept, hopefully you do too.

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Now back to your schematic. Your machine uses a PCB mounted solution. I have seen pictures of a larger PCB in an older KF700 but this one is rather small. It is from Siemens and PN is C98 451-D6094-A1. It is obsolete but I found a German site that apparently offers repaired units.

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Read on if further details are of interest to you. There are 3 images on the site but one below is good for illustration. I have attached a marked up drawing of this board, identifying few components and transferring signal types to the connectors for ease in locating them.

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The 24 VAC transformer is on bottom left. Based upon other Felder schematics that I have looked at, here is what I believe are some key components. K1 and K4 (tall black blocks with white covers) are relays. Typically one is start relay that turns on momentarily and then drops off, the 2^nd one is latched and drops off with red button or any interlock. 3 brick red coils (with a wire going thru the middle) are for current sensing, assuming for braking function. Two white blocks, identified on mark up as S1 & S2, are likely for adjusting brake force and duration.

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Imran Malik

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of chris connolly
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2023 11:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] 3 phase high leg placement

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Thanks for that Rod. The Felder tech I spoke with yesterday told me that 99% of the time the manufactured leg will go to Line 2 on the machine (usually brown wire). I will try you method to verify. ?I have attached the wiring diagram from my F700 shaper, any chance you could explain how one might decipher where the manufactured ?leg should go based on the diagram? Thank you ?

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On Jun 29, 2023, at 6:22 PM, rodsheridan <riderofgallifrey@...> wrote:

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Hi, the issue is to determine which 2 phases the control power supplies for the machine are connected to, you want those two lines connected to the non manufactured line of the phase converter.

If you have a true digital phase converter (rectifier/inverter) then it doesn?€?t matter, if you have a rotary converter it does matter.

You can check the drawing for your machine however I normally use a DVM to verify it.

1) unplug the machine, or open the breaker in the distribution panel

2) using AC Volts on the meter verify that you have no power in the machine

3) close (Turn on) the disconnect switch for the machine

4) using Ohms function on the DVM measure Phase A to Phase B, Phase A to phase C, and Phase B to Phase C

5) only one of those pairs will have continuity, maybe 10 to 100 ohms, this pair is the one with the control power supplies, it must be fed from the non manufactured line

6) you now need to either one of the control power leads in the machine to the non manufactured phase or reverse one pair of phases in the machine plug (doesn?€?t matter which pair)

7) If your machine motor goes backwards after changing the plug above, interchange one pair of wires going to the motor to reverse rotation, it doesn?€?t matter which pair.

Regards, Rod

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<Siemens C98 451-D6094-A1 Mark up.JPG>

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Thanks for that Rod. The Felder tech I spoke with yesterday told me that 99% of the time the manufactured leg will go to Line 2 on the machine (usually brown wire). I will try you method to verify. ?I have attached the wiring diagram from my F700 shaper, any chance you could explain how one might decipher where the manufactured ?leg should go based on the diagram? Thank you ?

On Jul 1, 2023, at 5:39 AM, andy.pickler@... wrote:

?I just received my AD941, and this is what I did (not that it is correct). I used the spacers to ensure a consistent distance for both the left and right attachment points, and I figured that would better ensure that the jointer fence was perpendicular to the cutterhead. I did not use the big washers on the backside but rather the two washers ("ball socket 1" and "ball socket 2") that have one side each that is concave/convex and fit effectively "inside" each other.

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On Jul 1, 2023, at 12:45 PM, Christopher Rozycki via groups.io <croz1950@...> wrote:

?Imran,

Thanks I would like to see that.

Chris Rozycki?

On Jul 1, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:

?Set up is pretty simple on the shaper spindle. Use a pair of calipers and check the step on the cap, say it¡¯s 8mm, then just make sure the space from the top ring down to the actual shaper spindle is at least 1mm longer than the step on the cap. Tighten securely and you should never have a problem. None of this eyeball crap, just measure and make sure.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com

On Jul 1, 2023, at 6:50 AM, imranindiana <imranindiana@...> wrote:

Joe,

This is what I was trying to caution against. In my situation, that I shared, the rings did not turn by hand check as you describe. Could be that my grip is not strong but I am rather fit. There was pressure but not sufficient. I know it was a freak situation but can happen.

Imran Malik

On Jul 1, 2023, at 9:29 AM, Joe Calhoon via groups.io <joecalhoon@...> wrote:

?A very simple method to avoid a spun shaft is to get in the habit of griping the shaft by the spacers and or cutter before turning on the machine to make sure they don¡¯t turn. Now in the case of using bushings on adjustable groovers you have to be more careful as the spacers could be tight but you could have movement in one of the groovers. Using bushing with these should be avoided if possibly.

A spun shaft will make a particular noise when starting up. If you can recognize this and shut down right away you can usually avoid damage. Don¡¯t ask how I know this.
Joe