Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
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I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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? Mark K sent this. ??And this is for Mark K.? ? ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Child via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 7:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Butt Bar? Hahaha..I'm still not sure what a butt bar is, so I guessed.. I think my guess is right, or at least close to being right.. a picture would tell me.. On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:57:01 AM PST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote: Newby alert. ? I have read all through this thread and still don't know what a butt bar is. At first I thought it was for cow tipping.? Now I'm not sure.? ?Can someone put up a picture. ? Jon S ? ? Would any one have a butt bar that they don't use and want to sell, I was going to just order it from Felder, but thought I would check here first.
Thank You all
Glen
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I use hydraulic jack oil Taylor Donsker www.tdonsker.com 818.424.9046
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:04 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Hahaha..I'm still not sure what a butt bar is, so I guessed.. I think my guess is right, or at least close to being right.. a picture would tell me..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:57:01 AM PST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote:
Newby alert. ? I have read all through this thread and still don't know what a butt bar is. At first I thought it was for cow tipping.? Now I'm not sure.? ?Can someone put up a picture. ? Jon S ?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] Butt Bar ? Would any one have a butt bar that they don't use and want to sell, I was going to just order it from Felder, but thought I would check here first.
Thank You all
Glen
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Newby alert. ? I have read all through this thread and still don't know what a butt bar is. At first I thought it was for cow tipping.? Now I'm not sure.? ?Can someone put up a picture. ? Jon S ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] Butt Bar? Would any one have a butt bar that they don't use and want to sell, I was going to just order it from Felder, but thought I would check here first.
Thank You all
Glen
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I'll give that a try too.. thanks Bill..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:14:29 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
I struggled with my K915 as it would start to feel a bit ¡°lumpy¡± and it was the rectangular outrigger bar that needed cleaning not the table.? The rollers in there seem to attract sawdust. Just unhook the outrigger and see if it makes a difference for you....
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 06:40 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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I was concerned about using any form of lubricant and voiced this concern to Greg, who is their head tech and he assured me that the ballistol spray was the only spray that was Felder approved for this application..so I figured I cant go wrong..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:09:38 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
You will find cleaning the outrigger slide on all 4 sides will help with the smoothness, just don't use any type of lube that dust will stick to. I do this monthly. If you try using an abrasive make sure you get rid of the grit unless you want to really change your bearings.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:40 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I struggled with my K915 as it would start to feel a bit ¡°lumpy¡± and it was the rectangular outrigger bar that needed cleaning not the table.? The rollers in there seem to attract sawdust. Just unhook the outrigger and see if it makes a difference for you....
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 06:40 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
You will find cleaning the outrigger slide on all 4 sides will help with the smoothness, just don't use any type of lube that dust will stick to. I do this monthly. If you try using an abrasive make sure you get rid of the grit unless you want to really change your bearings.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:40 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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I have used Ballistol? on my Hammer slider for years.
It really works, you will notice a difference..
I put it on a folded gun cleaning patch and clean
and lube the rails on the slider and chassis.
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Re: Counter Balance on k500
I do have the standard K500 with the short chassis base, but with the longest slider available for this machine and the 1300mm outrigger and yes there is a block of concrete inside the chassis.
Bill
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Lubricant for sliding table
When I was at the Felder office and checking out all the machines, I noticed how smooth the sliding table was on their showroom Kappa 400.? I just glided with zero effort and zero sound ( I'm hearing impaired, so I can't hear it it made a sound or not..haha)
anyways, I was looking at my sliding table on my K975 and while it glides smoothly, it was not quite like the one at the Felder office.? I was looking into having the bearings changed on mine but was assured by Jason, that mine were fine, and to just clean the track with a maroon scotch bright pad or, take a block of wood with some 400 grit sandpaper and run it along the track. Greg Bryson also said to take some Ballistol spray and spray it along the track as well and this should make the sliding table as smooth rolling at the one in the showroom.. gonna give it a try
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Humm, didn¡¯t think of not locking it down I will have to try that but 2 on all the time? Is your slider a 15 footer??
I guess I can¡¯t see where it would ever mess up my flow by not using them, kinda like the air clamps if i was cutting sheet goods all day long the rear one would come off and the front wouldn¡¯t be used, I can¡¯t imagine one of my bosses back in the day would have put up with all the reconfiguring to make cuts...I would do without them now though great for the odd cut stuff in a one man shop.
Also never bruised anything with the butt bar, not an issue for me - I must have small hips and small parts ???
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:44 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? I have 2 parallel guides with the tables, typically on the slider all the time. They are great butt bars easy to move and having 2 is my greatest slider extravagance. They are never tightened and free to move on a whim. Without them my work flow on other sliders is totally screwed. The butt bar is a hazard IMHO, really good for bruised hips and other parts LOL. On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:55 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
If your talking about the handle that you place in the back of the slider on the side to pull it back.? I was thinking of the parallel fence to use for not only supporting sheet goods, but also for moving the sliding table back in the same fashion.? But yes..the parallel arm is a lot larger and sticks out more
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 03:43:55 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
I was thinking the same thing but found the table got in the way most of the time and it doesn¡¯t adjust as easily/quickly as the butt bar. Also the parallel fence and table is like $500 and the butt bar is around $80 and are we talking about the same thing?
Regards, Mark
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: >
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I have 2 parallel guides with the tables, typically on the slider all the time. They are great butt bars easy to move and having 2 is my greatest slider extravagance. They are never tightened and free to move on a whim. Without them my work flow on other sliders is totally screwed. The butt bar is a hazard IMHO, really good for bruised hips and other parts LOL.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:55 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
If your talking about the handle that you place in the back of the slider on the side to pull it back.? I was thinking of the parallel fence to use for not only supporting sheet goods, but also for moving the sliding table back in the same fashion.? But yes..the parallel arm is a lot larger and sticks out more
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 03:43:55 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
I was thinking the same thing but found the table got in the way most of the time and it doesn¡¯t adjust as easily/quickly as the butt bar. Also the parallel fence and table is like $500 and the butt bar is around $80 and are we talking about the same thing?
Regards, Mark
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: >
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If your talking about the handle that you place in the back of the slider on the side to pull it back.? I was thinking of the parallel fence to use for not only supporting sheet goods, but also for moving the sliding table back in the same fashion.? But yes..the parallel arm is a lot larger and sticks out more
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 03:43:55 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
I was thinking the same thing but found the table got in the way most of the time and it doesn¡¯t adjust as easily/quickly as the butt bar. Also the parallel fence and table is like $500 and the butt bar is around $80 and are we talking about the same thing?
Regards, Mark
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: >
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I was thinking the same thing but found the table got in the way most of the time and it doesn¡¯t adjust as easily/quickly as the butt bar. Also the parallel fence and table is like $500 and the butt bar is around $80 and are we talking about the same thing?
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
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