Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Typically had the carriage all they way forward load the slide the sheet on the long edge to the base of the saw, lift and put edge at the corner where the carriage and the alum slide meet then grab the opposite corner and let gravity do its job. Turn saw on if it’s not already on and let er rip. I am using one hand on the sheet then maybe the other on slide table and sheet. Even now that I have the handle I still don’t use it really they way it’s being described here, it’s mostly just an extra grab point for me now? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
? Mark, How did you push the sheets up against the fence and hold them there with nothing to push back against? Are you holding onto the slider with one hand? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I guess because I have regularly cleaned the tracks since day one I have never had any buildup or rough operation like you describe. I've had more of an issue with the outrigger slide because of the way its configured. I have in the past tried wiping with WD40 sprayed on the rag not on the track bearings directly and didn't find any difference in the slider but did help the outrigger slide.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Ok.. to clean the track of the slider, I used the maroon colored scotch pad and did all the tracks to get all the build up off..worked very well..make sure you really work the pad against the tracks and clean them off afterwards.. then I used the ballistol and sprayed it directly onto the track both on the bottom carriage and the slider as well and ran the sliding table back and forth really working it in.. then I added a straw to the ballistol and got down where I could just make out the bearings and gave a squirt into them.. all 4 sets and worked the slider back and forth for a few more minutes..then I cleanly wiped off all the parts woth a clean rag and made sure everything was wiped down and no drips or runs.? Slider rolls so smooth now..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 08:53:50 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Mark, How did you push the sheets up against the fence and hold them there with nothing to push back against? Are you holding onto the slider with one hand? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Don't forget the corrosion issues with black pipe. It can be very difficult to get an elbow or a T going the right direction as well. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
We do the same thing a couple times a year with Boeshield. Makes a huge difference. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Fwiw, there's been fierce debate in the machine tool and mechanical universe for decades about WD40.? At one end of the spectrum?are those who believe it's a miracle product and at the other end those who wouldn't let it inside their shop, and of course everywhere in between.? I don't think this will ever be settled "scientifically", though there are many people who've done tests with various degrees of rigor.? ?But aside from the WD40 fanatics, I think most people agree that it's a fine general purpose thing, but in any specific use, there are superior products.? For example, as a rust preventative, LPS,? Boeshield, et. al. are way better.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:53 AM imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
?What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Re: Why did they ban dado's in Europe?? (was Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality)
I have a Forest Dado set with proper holes for my K700S and my Felder saw came with different sized “fittings” adjacent to the blade to accommodate the desired width of the Dado set. You do, however, need to remove the rifing knife while in use.
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 2:20 AM, Jonathan Martens <jonathan@...> wrote:
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On 27-1-2020 19:27, Randy Child via
Groups.Io wrote:
Why did they ban dado's in Europe??
Safety regulation IIRC:
- a riving knife has to be used at all times, I have not seen a
dynamic riving knife matching the kerf off the dado blade. Riving
knives are usually a little wider than the saw blade kerf, which
is not possible when cutting dados.
- axis in EU are usually braked to prevent long spinning after
shutting off the machine, as far as I know this is different to
non-EU. The inner blades of the dado stack are often not rigidly
fixed to the axis and therefore can not be braked easily.
- shaper is a safer alternative with appropriate hoods (also
required) and/or mechanical feeder as the cutter is minimally
exposed.
But stuff seems to change here as well. Not sure if that is for
the better or according to regulations:
Apparently Felder sells a device that has a striking resemblance
with a adjustable groove cutter for the shaper as a saw blade as
well. The dutch Felder webshop shows one on a saw with part no.
500-03-021 ()
It still is different to a dado blade though as there is a left,
a right part and optional central part, which are rigidly fixed to
the axis using the pins on either side of the axis hole.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Ok.. to clean the track of the slider, I used the maroon colored scotch pad and did all the tracks to get all the build up off..worked very well..make sure you really work the pad against the tracks and clean them off afterwards.. then I used the ballistol and sprayed it directly onto the track both on the bottom carriage and the slider as well and ran the sliding table back and forth really working it in.. then I added a straw to the ballistol and got down where I could just make out the bearings and gave a squirt into them.. all 4 sets and worked the slider back and forth for a few more minutes..then I cleanly wiped off all the parts woth a clean rag and made sure everything was wiped down and no drips or runs.? Slider rolls so smooth now..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 08:53:50 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Mark,
Thanks for the reply and correction. The law of assumptions strikes again! ?
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:39 AM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote: > black pipe for the air lines, which would be cheaper than copper and easier to reconfigure
It's not cheaper.? For example, right now 3/4" black pipe is?~20% more expensive than copper at Home Depot.?
It can be much, much more work to reconfigure than copper, though it depends on exactly what you're reconfiguring.? If you want to place a tee in the middle of a section of copper, you can do that in 5 minutes with slip fittings, or maybe 10 minutes with solder.? It's nowhere near as easy with threaded pipe.? ? On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 7:55 AM Gerald Yungling via Groups.Io <gyungling= [email protected]> wrote: It doesn’t look like anyone has mentioned black pipe. I worked in a production about 20 years ago and seem to remember they used black pipe for the air lines, which would be cheaper than copper and easier to reconfigure and wouldn’t require solder. What am I missing?
Thanks, Gerald I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas.? Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don’t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
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David Best On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a “T” somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I’m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I’ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn’t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I had the same question, still Looking but here is one article that may interest a few.
Imran? On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:23 PM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? What is the difference between WD40 and Ballistol? ?
They both appear to be around 60% Aliphatic Hydrocarbon with some additives.
I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark ?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Now that I have one I wouldn’t do without but I wouldn’t say it’s required to breakdown sheet goods, I spent 15+ years in my biz and others breaking down 100’s if not a 1000 sheets and never had one or felt like I needed one, but like I said now that I have one I wouldn't be without one. Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
? It's basically a handle that can be repositioned along the slider P channel mount. As Jason said, it's necessary if you're using the crosscut fence in the rear position with sheet goods without clamps. You apply force on the sheet by gripping the handle with one hand and pushing the sheet against the fence. You then push through the cut.?
The reason it's referred to as a butt bar is because you can set it to sit behind your butt as you walk repetitive smaller cuts through the blade. (See the picture). I just cut several hundred drawer parts. I put the material against the fence and stand between the outrigger and butt bar. To reset the slider for the next cut I just walk backwards and repeat.?
Be careful it hurts like you can't imagine if you run into the bar unexpectedly!
Jarrett Maxwell
? Mark K sent this. ??And this is for Mark K.? ? ? ? ? ? Hahaha..I'm still not sure what a butt bar is, so I guessed.. I think my guess is right, or at least close to being right.. a picture would tell me.. On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:57:01 AM PST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote: Newby alert. ? I have read all through this thread and still don't know what a butt bar is. At first I thought it was for cow tipping.? Now I'm not sure.? ?Can someone put up a picture. ? Jon S ? ? Would any one have a butt bar that they don't use and want to sell, I was going to just order it from Felder, but thought I would check here first.
Thank You all
Glen
 
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Re: Airlines for new shop
> black pipe for the air lines, which would be cheaper than copper and easier to reconfigure
It's not cheaper.? For example, right now 3/4" black pipe is?~20% more expensive than copper at Home Depot.?
It can be much, much more work to reconfigure than copper, though it depends on exactly what you're reconfiguring.? If you want to place a tee in the middle of a section of copper, you can do that in 5 minutes with slip fittings, or maybe 10 minutes with solder.? It's nowhere near as easy with threaded pipe.? ?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 7:55 AM Gerald Yungling via Groups.Io <gyungling= [email protected]> wrote: It doesn’t look like anyone has mentioned black pipe. I worked in a production about 20 years ago and seem to remember they used black pipe for the air lines, which would be cheaper than copper and easier to reconfigure and wouldn’t require solder. What am I missing?
Thanks, Gerald I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas.? Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don’t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
<screenshot_3006.jpeg>
<screenshot_3007.jpeg>
David Best On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a “T” somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I’m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I’ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn’t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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It's basically a handle that can be repositioned along the slider P channel mount. As Jason said, it's necessary if you're using the crosscut fence in the rear position with sheet goods without clamps. You apply force on the sheet by gripping the handle with one hand and pushing the sheet against the fence. You then push through the cut.?
The reason it's referred to as a butt bar is because you can set it to sit behind your butt as you walk repetitive smaller cuts through the blade. (See the picture). I just cut several hundred drawer parts. I put the material against the fence and stand between the outrigger and butt bar. To reset the slider for the next cut I just walk backwards and repeat.?
Be careful it hurts like you can't imagine if you run into the bar unexpectedly!
Jarrett Maxwell
? Mark K sent this. ??And this is for Mark K.? ? ? ? ? ? Hahaha..I'm still not sure what a butt bar is, so I guessed.. I think my guess is right, or at least close to being right.. a picture would tell me.. On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 06:57:01 AM PST, Jonathan Smith <jonathan.smith@...> wrote: Newby alert. ? I have read all through this thread and still don't know what a butt bar is. At first I thought it was for cow tipping.? Now I'm not sure.? ?Can someone put up a picture. ? Jon S ? ? Would any one have a butt bar that they don't use and want to sell, I was going to just order it from Felder, but thought I would check here first.
Thank You all
Glen
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I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Airlines for new shop
I just used the rubber air hose. Easy in and around corners and through holes....Used conduit clamps where necessary. Not fancy but easy.
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 08:55 Gerald Yungling via Groups.Io <gyungling= [email protected]> wrote: It doesn’t look like anyone has mentioned black pipe. I worked in a production about 20 years ago and seem to remember they used black pipe for the air lines, which would be cheaper than copper and easier to reconfigure and wouldn’t require solder. What am I missing?
Thanks, Gerald I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas.? Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don’t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
<screenshot_3006.jpeg>
<screenshot_3007.jpeg>
David Best On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a “T” somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I’m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I’ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn’t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
That was from 10 years ago.. I guess maybe things have changed now.. I'm just going off what the Felder tech told me to use..it really seems to help..I made sure I wiped off the tracks afterwards?
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:52:22 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Excerpt from 2010 K700S manual.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-29 10:41 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
Ok..upon close examination, it appears that the track is dovetailed in..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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Re: Airlines for new shop
It doesn’t look like anyone has mentioned black pipe. I worked in a production about 20 years ago and seem to remember they used black pipe for the air lines, which would be cheaper than copper and easier to reconfigure and wouldn’t require solder. What am I missing?
Thanks,
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 7:21 PM, " david@..." < david@...> wrote: I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas. ?Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don’t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
<screenshot_3006.jpeg>
<screenshot_3007.jpeg>
David Best On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a “T” somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I’m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I’ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn’t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Yes , this just came out when my saw was delivered in Oct it was recommended to not blow air hard on the rails and just a dry wipe, red scotchbrite if needed. Wonder if it helps with conductivity of the lv rails on the sliders with the on/off on the slide and they just made it a standard recommendation for all Regards, Mark
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? This is new for Felder to actually recommend a slider lube/cleaner. For years it was always clean with a dry clean cloth. Anything with Felder sliders was always no oils. Can't speak for other manufacturers but they have all guide issues over the years.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-29 10:35 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
I'll check mine Imran and let you know
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
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Jerry P
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Excerpt from 2010 K700S manual.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-29 10:41 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Lubricant for sliding table
Ok..upon close examination, it appears that the track is dovetailed in..
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:24:43 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Slider track cleaning is on my list of things on the new for me (used) K975. I have some time on my hand while in Pakistan and stumbled on a video on utube on slider maintenance. The interesting thing I learned is that the steel guides in some cases are glued therefore one needs to be careful about what to use and how to apply. So spray the cleaner on cloth and then apply to the guide. Likely not applicable to Felder but can anyone let me know how Felder and Hammer guides are secured?
Imran On Jan 29, 2020, at 8:04 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I wonder if the? Ballistol multipurpose available on amazon is the same as the universal on Felders site, I emailed the company but never got a response. Maybe the SDS will reveal the differences...Regards, Mark On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Jerry P <Jerry-Pac-Man@...> wrote:
?Felder recently published a TSB recommending Ballistol
as a slider lube.? This was discussed on Sawmill Creek.
My slider is in an un heated workshop in NE Ohio.
When I use it removes some light rust from the steel
rails.? I would not use any abrasives on the rails unless
absolutely necessary.? You want to keep the polished
surface and not scuff it up..
Felder does have Ballistol available on there web site.?
--
Jerry P
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