Re: Lubricant for sliding table
So I'm looking at the Felder US Eshop for the slider oil $19.50 USD for 500ml thats about 30.00 CDN, but I also see spindle grease Shell Gladus S3 for $20.10 USD. This is the recommended grease to lube the shaper spindle bearings. I picked up a tube at the local Carquest the other day for $4.99 CDN. Not too much of a markup eh!
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:15:13 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it.
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it.
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn¡¯t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the ¡°off¡± switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Another vote for Bona here. Bona on hard maple has held up well for 7 years so far, despite moving machines around and spilling water or finishes occasionally.
Allen
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Ok, what about if floor is exposed to moisture?
My wife is planning to setup a pottery wheel in a corner of the shop ¡ so wondering how I can protect the area.
Initially I was thinking to put linoleum down ¡ then I remembered the ¡°epoxy¡± discussion and started wondering if that might be better and more durable solution. ? Klaus ?
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Subject: Re: [FOG] New Shop, should I epoxy the floors? #constructionmethods? I¡¯m with Mac. Nothing or Bona. Bona¡¯s nice because you can put it down with a mop, it¡¯s fairly low-slip, and you can recoat when needed if it gets too messy-looking for you. Having a wood floor in a shop is a wonderful luxury. You can bolt set-ups and jigs to it; use it for supports, etc. If you make it too pretty-looking, you¡¯ll stop thinking of the floor as an option to attach things to. (Yeah, I¡¯ve spent too much time in theaters and sound stages. :) ? On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? Or bonashield Designing and building for 47 years
On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
?My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years ? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material? Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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I¡¯m with Mac. Nothing or Bona. Bona¡¯s nice because you can put it down with a mop, it¡¯s fairly low-slip, and you can recoat when needed if it gets too messy-looking for you.
Having a wood floor in a shop is a wonderful luxury. You can bolt set-ups and jigs to it; use it for supports, etc. If you make it too pretty-looking, you¡¯ll stop thinking of the floor as an option to attach things to. (Yeah, I¡¯ve spent too much time in theaters and sound stages. :)
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Or bonashield Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years ? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material? Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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Or bonashield Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:43 PM, hklaus100@... wrote:
? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:43 PM, hklaus100@... wrote:
? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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I used the wood floor finish like you would use on a hardwood floor in a kitchen. It keeps glue from sticking and paint and stain at a reduced level. Don¡¯t remember the name off hand.?
Bill Belanger?
I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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Re: Profil45 display error
Hi David,
Unfortunately the +/-10% points on my transformer did not resolve the issue for me hence adding a dedicated transformer for the display. Apparently its an issue with older machines and the new display (222sv)
I now have a new error code to contend with (COFE) which presents itself at the last step of re teaching the angle every time and remains until i do a factory reset... bloody thing.
David.
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Re: Profil45 display error
Thank you for doing that Joe, much appreciated!
David
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I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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Can't wait to see it all in action
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 12:46:02 PM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
No sawdust yet ¡®cause I don¡¯t ?have my dust collection... Soon though. Bird houses will be flying outa there!
Bill
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 13:38 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Oh C'mon Bill!! That's not a shop!! That's a damn catalog display for the Felder saw!! No sawdust anywhere..perfectly clean floor..tools all aligned and new..nah..you dont have a shop..poster for the Kappa saw..hahaha ??
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
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Re: Counter Balance on k500
Ok, I drilled 6¡± holes in my wood floor for each machine and brought the piping up from the bottom since I had a 3 story building. Now that I¡¯ve sold the stuff off, any idea how to patch the holes?
Thanks? Bill belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 13:39 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
That's very true..my buddy did just that..works well..you can always fill the hole later
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:54:56 AM PST, Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote:
In setting up my K700S, I remember reading somewhere in the manual that you could technically use the transport hold downs that came with the machine to fasten to the floor. That would counteract weight shift of the slider & lumber. I don't like the idea of drilling into my floor but if you don't have a need to move it often, it's an option.??
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No sawdust yet ¡®cause I don¡¯t ?have my dust collection... Soon though. Bird houses will be flying outa there!
Bill
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 13:38 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Oh C'mon Bill!! That's not a shop!! That's a damn catalog display for the Felder saw!! No sawdust anywhere..perfectly clean floor..tools all aligned and new..nah..you dont have a shop..poster for the Kappa saw..hahaha ??
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer < bllblngr@...> wrote:
I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger? On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
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Re: Counter Balance on k500
That's very true..my buddy did just that..works well..you can always fill the hole later
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:54:56 AM PST, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
In setting up my K700S, I remember reading somewhere in the manual that you could technically use the transport hold downs that came with the machine to fasten to the floor. That would counteract weight shift of the slider & lumber. I don't like the idea of drilling into my floor but if you don't have a need to move it often, it's an option.??
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Oh C'mon Bill!! That's not a shop!! That's a damn catalog display for the Felder saw!! No sawdust anywhere..perfectly clean floor..tools all aligned and new..nah..you dont have a shop..poster for the Kappa saw..hahaha ??
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:24:41 AM PST, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
I use this in place of the butt bar... Multi use.?
Bill Belanger?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 09:12 Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I honestly cannot imagine using a slider without the butt bar. Unless you have your crosscut fence at the front (closest to you) and all you cut is small parts. For processing sheets or anything else large with the fence in the rear position, it's essential-especially if you don't have pneumatic clamps. The butt bar is what allows you to be able to keep the sheet against the fence. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
612 432-2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
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Yes it is Jonathan, it's a quickie I made years ago out of a cutoff and never bothered to change. It eliminates the potential binding of an improperly adjusted or positioned? rip fence.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: jontathan samways <jonathansamways@...> Date: 2020-01-29 2:47 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Slider Acccessories
John, is that a magnetic bump stop? Kindest regards
Jonathan Samways
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 19:54 Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq., < rohrabacher@...> wrote:
On 1/29/20 1:24 PM, "jmkserv@... wrote:
> How do we live without a butt bar from Jason
I have no idea what that is
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Get it Sang, and sell it if you don¡¯t like it. That¡¯s my approach... ?
Bill?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:48 Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote: Was considering this but I think the fritz and franz jig/clamping method would serve the same purpose and wouldn't be at waist level, which I think would snag. I'm totally new to sliders, so I might change my mind later :)
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