Re: Lubricants in cans are mostly snake oil
The problem with oils.. is dirt and dust attraction.. if I used a motor oil or a grease type lubricant on anything in my shop, I'm almost guaranteed to find a sawdust build-up on that part. They have dry lubes and graphite type aerosols that do not allow build up..? The debate on which oils is better or worse isnt what my post was about.. All I wanted to post and share was how my sliding table was not sliding like the one in the Felder showroom and what the head tech suggested I do and use..which was the Ballistol.. other folks can use whatever they desire.? I just followed what the Felder fletch said to do and it worked out great ?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 06:50:06 AM PST, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
Some years ago I did a fairly serious layman's? study of? all the?
varioys? spray oils? LVP? Boshield? WD-40 CRS? Glanz Ballistol yadda yadda
Most of them? have some kind of Paraffin Chain Salt? or an alcohol as a
surfactant? ( wetting agent) .
Most all of them are either mineral oil? or? a light hydrotrated pump oil
(hydraulic oil).
Most have a deoderized kerosene as the principle carrier Some use Kero
as the prime ingredient like WD40
?My general take away was that ? not a single one of them is very? good
as a lubricant, All of them are expensive and? any oil you can lay your
hand to will be a better lubricant than any of them.
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Re: Lubricants in cans are mostly snake oil
Some years ago I did a fairly serious layman's? study of? all the?
varioys? spray oils? LVP? Boshield? WD-40 CRS? Glanz Ballistol yadda yadda
Most of them? have some kind of Paraffin Chain Salt? or an alcohol as a
surfactant? ( wetting agent) .
Most all of them are either mineral oil? or? a light hydrotrated pump oil
(hydraulic oil).
Most have a deoderized kerosene as the principle carrier Some use Kero
as the prime ingredient like WD40
?My general take away was that ? not a single one of them is very? good
as a lubricant, All of them are expensive and? any oil you can lay your
hand to will be a better lubricant than any of them.
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
John,?
Is the following one you are?talking about?
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James
We get the Universal here in Ontario. No mention of the multipurpose on their website.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:08 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
It didnt say.. I personally think the universal spray is EU version and the multi-purpose is the North American version..? When the Felder tech mentioned using the Ballistol,? he did not say anything about the Universal. I sent him a picture of the can I bought and said that was the stuff..so that's what I bought and used
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 06:02:20 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
Does it list percentages? I am looking at the SDS of the multipurpose and the EC of the universal and I am seeing differences but harder to figure out the EU sheet, need to make Sure I am comparing the same (oil or aerosol) ? Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Yea, so i just did that and sure enough they show the can as Universal and the wording on part of the page says multipurpose but below it is universal so I suppose it is the same thing. Even still it’s an assumption without seeing the data, the US version os being made/packaged at chem-pak so who knows... Regards, Mark
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:02 AM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Here's the company website.For info go directly to the source.
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
We get the Universal here in Ontario. No mention of the multipurpose on their website.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:08 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
It didnt say.. I personally think the universal spray is EU version and the multi-purpose is the North American version..? When the Felder tech mentioned using the Ballistol,? he did not say anything about the Universal. I sent him a picture of the can I bought and said that was the stuff..so that's what I bought and used
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 06:02:20 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
Does it list percentages? I am looking at the SDS of the multipurpose and the EC of the universal and I am seeing differences but harder to figure out the EU sheet, need to make Sure I am comparing the same (oil or aerosol) ? Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
It didnt say.. I personally think the universal spray is EU version and the multi-purpose is the North American version..? When the Felder tech mentioned using the Ballistol,? he did not say anything about the Universal. I sent him a picture of the can I bought and said that was the stuff..so that's what I bought and used
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 06:02:20 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
Does it list percentages? I am looking at the SDS of the multipurpose and the EC of the universal and I am seeing differences but harder to figure out the EU sheet, need to make Sure I am comparing the same (oil or aerosol) ? Regards, Mark
On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:15:13 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Here's the company website.For info go directly to the source.
??
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler < mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Does it list percentages? I am looking at the SDS of the multipurpose and the EC of the universal and I am seeing differences but harder to figure out the EU sheet, need to make Sure I am comparing the same (oil or aerosol) ? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:15:13 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I just googled the ingredients on both cans and it appears to be the same
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:39:04 AM PST, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark
On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:15:13 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
The amazon version is??“Multipurpose” the version on the eshop ?is “Universal”?question I posted yesterday was is it the same? If not does it even matter. First thought that came to mind was?“Multipurpose” is just wording for the American market, seems that I only see the??“Universal” version being sold in EU and??“Multipurpose” in the US Regards, Mark
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On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
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I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:15:13 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it. Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Their mark up is ridiculous! I inquired about some gray touch up spray paint for the saw..$35 a can.. tech said so not worth it
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:23:20 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
So I'm looking at the Felder US Eshop for the slider oil $19.50 USD for 500ml thats about 30.00 CDN, but I also see spindle grease Shell Gladus S3 for $20.10 USD. This is the recommended grease to lube the shaper spindle bearings. I picked up a tube at the local Carquest the other day for $4.99 CDN. Not too much of a markup eh!
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
So I'm looking at the Felder US Eshop for the slider oil $19.50 USD for 500ml thats about 30.00 CDN, but I also see spindle grease Shell Gladus S3 for $20.10 USD. This is the recommended grease to lube the shaper spindle bearings. I picked up a tube at the local Carquest the other day for $4.99 CDN. Not too much of a markup eh!
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
I bought mine off of Amazon..about the same price after shipping.. Used it yesterday on my sliding table and carriage..worked very well..
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 05:15:13 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it.
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Re: Lubricant for sliding table
Looks like its used for gun cleaning after a little research. Our local Canadian Tire store stocks it, 200 ml spray can for $12.99 for anyone interested in using it.
Interesting that they just started recommending it after all these years and the xroll design hasn’t changed (has it?) the only thing that has changed is that they are putting 24v through the rails for the “off” switch on the end of the slide, theorizing but could be that over time dust and build up could cause continuity issues and found that lubricant helps, or they have done testing to show that it is benefit to do so, or finally maybe they just noticed someone left it out of the manual...LOL... ? ?? Regards, Mark ? I thought the x roll system is a set of bearings in a track. I might be wrong but I would imagine the inside of the bearings is where you are going to be encountering friction and the tracks is rolling resistance which by virtue of a wheel on a track system is negligible. In this system, having an oil or other deformable substance would actually increase resistance to movement. So I would venture oiling the track will have no impact on reducing rolling resistance but it might smooth out particles that would create obstacles for a smooth rolling of the bearings in the track. If your bearings are seized, then oil on the track would have a dramatic effect as the friction would then be sliding friction.?
So like John said- keep it clean and let the bearings do the work.?
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry?
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Another vote for Bona here. Bona on hard maple has held up well for 7 years so far, despite moving machines around and spilling water or finishes occasionally.
Allen
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Ok, what about if floor is exposed to moisture?
My wife is planning to setup a pottery wheel in a corner of the shop … so wondering how I can protect the area.
Initially I was thinking to put linoleum down … then I remembered the “epoxy” discussion and started wondering if that might be better and more durable solution. ? Klaus ?
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Subject: Re: [FOG] New Shop, should I epoxy the floors? #constructionmethods? I’m with Mac. Nothing or Bona. Bona’s nice because you can put it down with a mop, it’s fairly low-slip, and you can recoat when needed if it gets too messy-looking for you. Having a wood floor in a shop is a wonderful luxury. You can bolt set-ups and jigs to it; use it for supports, etc. If you make it too pretty-looking, you’ll stop thinking of the floor as an option to attach things to. (Yeah, I’ve spent too much time in theaters and sound stages. :) ? On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression <airtightclamps@...> wrote: ? Or bonashield Designing and building for 47 years
On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
?My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years ? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material? Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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I’m with Mac. Nothing or Bona. Bona’s nice because you can put it down with a mop, it’s fairly low-slip, and you can recoat when needed if it gets too messy-looking for you.
Having a wood floor in a shop is a wonderful luxury. You can bolt set-ups and jigs to it; use it for supports, etc. If you make it too pretty-looking, you’ll stop thinking of the floor as an option to attach things to. (Yeah, I’ve spent too much time in theaters and sound stages. :)
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote:
Or bonashield Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years ? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material? Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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Or bonashield Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression via Groups.Io <airtightclamps@...> wrote:
? My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:43 PM, hklaus100@... wrote:
? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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My vote nothing Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:43 PM, hklaus100@... wrote:
? I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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I used the wood floor finish like you would use on a hardwood floor in a kitchen. It keeps glue from sticking and paint and stain at a reduced level. Don’t remember the name off hand.?
Bill Belanger?
I have a follow-up question.
Does it make sense to use the epoxy coating for a wooden shop floor?? If so, would you add sand (or other anti-slip material?
Or what are the best finishing recommendations for a wooden shop floor?
Klaus
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