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For what it's worth, I have a 97 EVC and I also smell gas fumes after I
turn the engine off. Maybe the 97 and 99 owners should also comment.
stevek
97 EVC
columbia md

Osco sells hospital urinals for men and women. Takes up less space than
the port-a-pottie, which is stored behind the back seat, between the coach
battery and the heater air intake. Jim McCarthy

At 09:17 AM 9/11/1999 -0700, you wrote:

I am considering buying a Eurovan Camper and I'm interested in what
people are doing in the way of a portable toilet system. I've heard
some owners have had good luck using little chemical toilets designed
for boats. Is there room in the vehicle to store such a device? What
brands do people like? What setups work well for that 3AM wakeup call?
Thanks again. Bill


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ex '87 Westfalia
'95 EuroVanCamper
Somerville, MA, USA

You can also get little portable urinals (with adapters for women) from the
Campmore catalog. I've seen them in pilots catalogs too. Also, they have a
portable toilet with a disposable plastic bag system. You can fold it flat
and store behind the drivers seat when not in use. These are great options if
you only plan to use them when you can't find another option. You can add dry
bleach to the bag in the portapotty system if you want extra odor control.

Sue

I would like to subscribe to the EuroVan List. Thank you

Here is something interesting for the 97 EV owners who may smell gas.

Fires: 100,000+ 95-86 Golf/GTI & 96 Vanagon/Syncro - Post collision fuel leaks (86V-029, 86V-149 & 87V-051); 12,000 96-87 Vanagon/Vanagon
Camper - Fuel filter leak (88V-038); 2,000 91 Fox - Metal fuel lines leak (91V-087); 9,500 95 Jetta - Brake line clip melts (84V-144); 51,000 97-90
Cabriolet & 97-88 Scirocco - Fuel tank leaks (91V-201); Engine compartment fuel leak: 18,000 90-92 Cabriolet - (92V-058) & 340,000 99-92 Corrado,
90-92 Fox, 98-92 Golf/Jetta & 95-91 Vanagon (92V-058-001); 7,500 97-89 Cabriolet - Rear fuel tank cracks (94V-065); 201 97 Eurovan - Punctured fuel tank vapor canister (97V-016.001); 8,500 98 Beetle - Engine compartment wiring fire &/or stalling (98V-100).

Here is the VW engine fire web site for the center for auto safety. There is a
survey for engine fires link. If you have had a fire fill out the survey.

Geoff

I'm going to ask them to inform VW

>> of the problem, and I am going to
>> notify the NHTSA to see if a recall
>> should be issued. This is obviously
>> a safety defect, and VW should pay for it.

I would hope that anyone who has experienced this problem would report it
to the NHTSA
immediately, as well as to VWOA.

It would also be a good idea, when reporting this design defect to the
NHTSA, to also add the fact that even a handful of similar reports
represents a noticeable percentage of vehicles involved due to the
relatively small quantity of EV's imported into this country.

Very good points made by several of you, I agree completely. I encourage you to
get in VW's face, but I must also say, I hope you have lots of patience and
persistence. Remember, VW is a German company. They are right just about all
the time, and that's that. I hope you can get VW to do something, which is only
right in this situation.

Wade

At 06:38 PM 9/12/1999 -0400, you wrote:

Todd,

>> I'm going to ask them to inform VW
>> of the problem, and I am going to
>> notify the NHTSA to see if a recall
>> should be issued. This is obviously
>> a safety defect, and VW should pay for it.

No kidding! Based on the sheer number of list members who are reporting
failure of the gas lines and connectors in their '93 EVC's, is should be
obvious that a SERIOUS design defect exists, which could easily result in a
serious engine fire, accident and personal injury or death. I would hope
that anyone who has experienced this problem would report it to the NHTSA
immediately, as well as to VWOA.

Unless the design of the fuel lines and connectors was changed in later
models, which is probably not likely, all of us can expect to experience
this serious problem in coming years. A safety recall would definitely be
in order for all EV's with this obvious safety defect.

It would also be a good idea, when reporting this design defect to the
NHTSA, to also add the fact that even a handful of similar reports
represents a noticeable percentage of vehicles involved due to the
relatively small quantity of EV's imported into this country.

Sheldon
'97 EVC

These are exactly the places my friend Mario showed me yesterday where the

EV5s he rebuilt had fires. They were 92s. He has seen 5 in all that were
burnt in the same area in just one city, Edmonton Alberta. Some were
Westphalia campers,(the ones he rebuilt) and the others were EV buses. He
says the problem is the mickey mouse clamps that VW uses to attach the
lines. I have to agree. The lack of decent clamps, the heat from a
congested engine compartment the high number of fuel carrying lines with
the 2.5 engine make it likely as any place for a fire to start.

Mario told me if you ever smell fuel and you haven't just refueled, look
under the hood. It is probably coming from the area you have identified.
I have already decided to replace most of these lines next spring before
using the camper. I will change the clamps at that time. The only reason
for waiting is to see if you guys are successful in promoting a recall.
Certainly VW of America isn't going to act unless one of you decides to
sue. Class action lawsuits are forbidden by law in the province we live in.
Burned out Eurovans are impressive to look at in junk yards.



Reg

Todd,

>> I'm going to ask them to inform VW
>> of the problem, and I am going to
>> notify the NHTSA to see if a recall
>> should be issued. This is obviously
>> a safety defect, and VW should pay for it.

No kidding! Based on the sheer number of list members who are reporting
failure of the gas lines and connectors in their '93 EVC's, is should be
obvious that a SERIOUS design defect exists, which could easily result in a
serious engine fire, accident and personal injury or death. I would hope
that anyone who has experienced this problem would report it to the NHTSA
immediately, as well as to VWOA.

Unless the design of the fuel lines and connectors was changed in later
models, which is probably not likely, all of us can expect to experience
this serious problem in coming years. A safety recall would definitely be
in order for all EV's with this obvious safety defect.

It would also be a good idea, when reporting this design defect to the
NHTSA, to also add the fact that even a handful of similar reports
represents a noticeable percentage of vehicles involved due to the
relatively small quantity of EV's imported into this country.

Sheldon
'97 EVC

Can someone give me a good source for discount parts prices for my

'93

EV GL?

CamelBack VW
800-876-5199

Make sure you tell them you are calling from out of state. they are a
dealer, and generally about -30% from our local dealer

I get my parts from busdeopt.com. On a cold start valve I saved almost
$50 over dealer price.
eckhard

In a message dated 9/11/99 5:56:17 PM, gbnvic@... writes:

<<My 93 EV had a fuel leak at the termination of the source and return
fuel lines from the tank, right in the area around the distributor. I
fixed the problem myself. The lines would leak mostly at cold. Left
unattended, this could well have led to a fire.>>

Funny thing happened while camping this weekend. . . We have had no
problems with our fuel lines until this morning. We were camping at about
10,000 feet and it got really cold last night. When we packed up the van and
started it to head out, we could smell raw gas. As a well informed EV-Update
subscriber, I had a pretty good idea of what was going on. I opened the hood,
and low and behold, gas spraying all over the distributor from the fuel line
crimp! I turned off the engine, soaked up the gas and then wrapped the lines
very tightly in electrical tape until I can get it to the dealership this
week. I'm going to ask them to inform VW of the problem, and I am going to
notify the NHTSA to see if a recall should be issued. This is obviously a
safety defect, and VW should pay for it.

I hadn't paid attention to how many people had this problem in the past, so I
don't know how many others have had this problem; just that it exists. Has
anyone kept count or know who else on the list this has affected? I'd like
to know so I could let the NHTSA know I am not alone. I think if we had
substantial proof of the number of incidents, we would have a better chance
of getting VW to recall the vans before someone is injured, or worse yet,
killed. My family survived one fire in my EV; two would be way too many. I
now have TWO fire extinguishers on board.

Todd Vess
93 EV GL w/86,000 miles
90 Passat

Yup Sears porta potti, Yup behind the passenger front seat. Yup wont travel far
without it.

Geoff

Hi Geoff,
Remember, you are always welcome in Parker!
John

nightsky wrote:

We, the Goins family, baring any engine fires or broken timing belts (oops jinx)
will be leaving the 14th for Washington state. Stopping in Moab UT. Sun Valley
ID and Tacoma WA. And eventually heading back home via the oregon coast and
points in between and returning home by the 26th. We have a white (duh) 95 EVC
with a Ski New Mexico front plate and a new "balloon" NM rear license plate AD
610. If you see us, smile and wave, flash your lights whatever. If you would
like to make a rondevue let me know in private mail and we will see what can be
done.

Remember that friendly wave.

Geoff

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John Waterman
Parker,CO

Bill,
I purchased mine at Continental but have the sevice done at Tynans (Denver
area). Purchase price was 32,300.
John

whoads@... wrote:

Hello, glad to find this group. We're thinking of buying a new Eurovan
camper, and many of the local dealers (Colorado) seem uninformed about
the camper, and hazy about cost etc. Can anyone recommend a dealer
that has campers on hand, actual selling prices to expect, and any
other helpful information. I am willing to travel to find a good
dealer and a good deal. Part of the fun will be driving home! Thanks
Bill H.

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John Waterman
Parker,CO

So you have an early model Eurovan and you don't have cruise!!!!

1. VW doesn't sell a kit to add cruise.
2. VW dealers don't know what they are talking about when it comes to adding cruise.
3. VW parts guys don't know what is in their own product.

Don't forget here guys that I installed a $69 cruise (from J.C.
Whitney...brand name = Audiovox) in my '93 GL.

Took me one day and it works perfect.

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In a message dated 09/09/1999 11:50:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
brassard@... writes:

Re: [ev_update] 93 MV cooling fans have stopped
My cooling fans have stopped working on my MV I had the relays,and
resistors replaced in April. any suggestions?

There has been a considerable amount of discussion on this list about cooling
fans, series resistors, multiple speed motors (not NOT), squeaky blower fans,
and potential failure of the A/C system if faulty series resistors are not
replaced. As a less than fully informed observer, I am impressed by the
group knowledge of EV technical details presented here.

However, I am often baffled as to whether the thread is regarding engine
cooling fans or interior ventilation fans. It appears to me that the engine
has two fans, and the EV6 has two interior circulation fans, one in the dash
and one under the floor below the passenger seat for the rear section. Both
the engine and interior systems have series resistors/multiple speeds, and
both have experienced problems, at least on the EV5 models. What key words
should I look for to differentiate these threads, other than "engine cooling"
or "in the dash"? I would like to suggest that in the future some key words
be used to reduce ambiguity.


Bill Armstrong, EVC Speculator
'71 Econoline (home brew camper)

gbnvi-@... wrote:
My 93 EV had a fuel leak at the termination of the source and return
fuel lines from the tank, right in the area around the distributor. I
fixed the problem myself. The lines would leak mostly at cold. Left
unattended, this could well have led to a fire. There should definitely
be a safety recall before anyone dies from this problem. My bet is that
VW won't initiate a recall until there is a death.
=Gregg Burgess

original article:

As many of you know, my EV had an engine fire last weekend. I've

since had

a close look at the engine compartment, and it would seem that the

majority

of damage is in the area where the fuel lines come together just

above the

distributor.

I went to the NHTSA website and found three defect complaints on the

93 EVs

which relate to fuel leaks, one of which caused a fire. If in fact

fuel

leaks are a common occurance in 93 EVs, I'd like to take VW to task.

My question to the group is, how many of you have had fuel leak

problems

with your 93 EVs? Have any of you had an engine fire related to a

fuel leak?

Please let me know.


Thanks.


Ric

We also have the Sears model. We normally travel with it behind the rear
bench seat and take it out when needed and also at night.

Alex

Bill,

We have a Sears Pak-A-Potti 6000 portable toilet --- its made for

Sears by

Thetford. It works perfectly for travel and trips and fits well on

the

floor just in front of the rear seat next to the sliding side door.

We

added a set of non-slip pads to the bottom of the unit and use a

nylon strap

to secure it into place when traveling (one of those backpack style

straps

with quick snap connectors). Thetford also makes a set of quick-clip
connectors to secure the Pak-A-Potti to the floor of the camper. I

bought a

set of those then decided not to use them after all as they required
installing the clips permanently onto the floor. The quick-connect

nylon

strap serves the same function without having to drill into the floor.

We had a similar portable toilet in our old '78 VW Campmobile, and

one in

our Apache pop-up camper before that. All worked equally well.

Sheldon
'97 EVC


-----Original Message-----
From: whoads@... <whoads@...>
To: ev_update@... <ev_update@...>
Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 12:19 PM
Subject: [ev_update] Eurovan Toilet Options


I am considering buying a Eurovan Camper and I'm interested in

what

people are doing in the way of a portable toilet system. I've

heard

some owners have had good luck using little chemical toilets

designed

for boats. Is there room in the vehicle to store such a device?

What

brands do people like? What setups work well for that 3AM wakeup

call?

Thanks again. Bill

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westenbur-@... wrote:
original article:

I am considering buying a Eurovan Camper and I'm interested in what
people are doing in the way of a portable toilet system. I've heard
some owners have had good luck using little chemical toilets designed
for boats. Is there room in the vehicle to store such a device? What
brands do people like? What setups work well for that 3AM wakeup

call?

Thanks again. Bill

I find a plastic peanut butter jar works great for middle of the night
bladder calls. Doesn't take much space and is easily rinsed out. I
replace it each time I empty a jar of peanut butter.
Marve
'95 EVC