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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
Vance, Beaumont W.
I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
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is OK.) I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great. If it checks out OK, what is the problem? -----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC? I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995 EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty. I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner, and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote: Curt, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining! eGroups.com home: - Simplifying group communications |
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
James H. McCarthy
I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
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EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty. I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner, and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
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Re: '93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?
Bill Salopek
Would it be possible to wire the rear fan in such a way that theI had this same thought...seems to me that all a person would have to do is intercept the hot wire that turns the compressor on and put a switch in there. Then, when the regular A/C controls are moved into a position where the rear vents should activate, they still will...then all you'd have to do is turn the actual compressor on with the separate switch. I have tried to get a sliding rear window, but my dealer claims it isI'm pretty sure any automobile window shop, and/or a body shop, could swap out the side/rear windows no problem...either buying a window directly from VW, or from a junkyard. -- Bill Salopek ICQ: 20536257 No worries... Business: Home: |
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Maine Trip Report
Zaborenko, Alex, NNAD
My wife and I just came back from taking my parents and brother on a 1500
mile camping trip in Maine. Trying to camp with the middle bench seat is an adventure to say the least. My wife, 2 pugs, and I slept in a tent on a new air mattress that decided that 4 hours was as long as it was going to hold enough air to be comfortable. We were forced to refill it in the middle of every night. My parents slept on the top bunk since they felt it was roomier than the bottom and gave better ventilation. My brother slept on the bottom bed. To accomplish this we flipped the middle bench around, took it off the tracks and rolled it towards the front seats which were pushed forward. This gave enough room for the bed to fold out and be able to sit in the bench at the same time. We were forced to use picnic benches every time we ate, something we had never done with just the 2 of us camping. We definitely missed the convenience of being able to ignore our surroundings to eat a meal or go to the bathroom (there wasn't enough room for a portapotty with everyone's crap) All in all it was a good time as we saw York beach, Ogonquit, Kennebunkport beach, Camden, Pemaquid Point, Acadia and the unavoidable LL Bean stop in Freeport. It was nice weather barring the fog that kept coming in that blocked many of the nice views from Acadia. However, we did hear the Thunder in Thunder Hole for the first time in 5 visits. Alex, Lisa, Matisse, & Penelope in our 99 EVC approaching 20K miles. |
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
Severin D Chayka
Curt,
What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some $$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it and go after brand new one. Severin. At 10:13 AM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote: Severin D. ChaykaThere is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get the @ PCI Energy Services. |
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
Eckhard Rolz
There is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get the vehicle's history, provided you can give them the VIN. Ask the dealer for the VIN. If he hesitates, don't buy the car! EVs have enough problems as it is, you don't want any more! I think that your Department of Motor Vehicles can give you the same info for less money. I would try to find out the name of the previous owner and contact him. Remember, you are dealing with a car salesman. One commanding officer in the AF once said, if he had a brother who is a used car salesman, and he was up for his polygraph and renewal of his security clearance, he would tell them that his brother is in jail, for fear of loosing his security clearance. You could try contacting VW, but they have never been helpful. 1-800-Drive-VW. |
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
Coby Smolens
I agree - it smells a little funny. Maybe you could make the sale contingent
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on the van's passing the acid test of an extended test drive (say a three day weekend camping in the mountains) and an independent pre-purchase inspection. Coby Valley Wagonworks "Intimately acquainted with VW Vans since 1959" Volkswagen Bus, Vanagon, Westfalia and Eurovan Repair and Service Specialists 1535 Sir Francis Drake Blvd., San Anselmo, CA 94933 Voice:(415) 457-5628 Fax: (415) 457-0967 mailto:contact@...
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
Is it possible to contact the previous owner and verify the story the
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salesman gave? -----Original Message-----
From: Curt Elsbernd [mailto:curte@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:46 AM To: ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] VWofA repurchase EVC? After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a catch, and it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it. It is essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the burners and it appears that the fridge has never been used. Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original owner. I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that the owner was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was transfered out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks and didn't like some chipped paint. I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military, and I've never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a valid reason for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the second reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for squeaks and chipped paint. I really don't see it. I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done because of something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it wasn't, but I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them. Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been involved in a repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California? Maybe there's some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about. This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at a substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary. Curt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining! eGroups.com home: - Simplifying group communications |
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VWofA repurchase EVC?
Curt Elsbernd
After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it. It is essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the burners and it appears that the fridge has never been used. Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original owner. I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that the owner was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was transfered out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks and didn't like some chipped paint. I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military, and I've never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a valid reason for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the second reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for squeaks and chipped paint. I really don't see it. I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done because of something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it wasn't, but I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them. Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been involved in a repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California? Maybe there's some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about. This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at a substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary. Curt |
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'93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?
Eckhard Rolz
To improve airflow to the rear I had the following idea, but I don't
know if it is feasible. Would it be possible to wire the rear fan in such a way that the overhead vents (A/C) could be used for fresh air. Right now they only blow air when the A/C is on. All one would have to do is wire the switch so that the blower comes on w/o the A/C engaged. What do you think? Any suggestions? I have tried to get a sliding rear window, but my dealer claims it is not feasible to so since VW does not offer any kits. I don't know of any aftermarket windows and the junk yards I have contacted don't have those windows. Any suggestions? Eckhard ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How do you set a laser printer to stun? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?
If it was bought back there should be a title with the PO name and address.
If it was not bought back(like if it is a demo or something (or worse stolen off the lot),there will still be a MSO from the factory instead of the title. I worked for a Nissan dealer a few years back. Nissan had a whole bunch of "PAINT DAMAGED" cars. These were cars that the cosmoline had worn off and the clear coats had small bare spots from acid rain. Nissan sold these cars with Titles. I don't know if the were sold and taken back or just titled and given to dealers as "program cars". Well to get to the end of this the dealer I worked for sold these cars as new. When the NEW OWNERS got thier titles back from DMV they came running back to the dealer asking why thier titles said USED. Ask the dealer to give you a copy of the MSO or the TITLE. This will give you a clear indecation of what is going on. By the way what state are you located in?? R&R GREAKER 95 Eurobago 82 Diesel Westi |
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Re: '93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?
Bill Salopek
I have a 93 Weekender with the sliding rear windows and hardly, if ever, usePart of my goal is to decrease the wind buffeting on my head when the driver's side window is down. Figuring that wind behaves the same in most vehicles, it's always been my experience in a car that when just the front window is down, the driver's head gets buffeted quite a bit...but then lower the rear window behind the driver and somehow the wind just flows around nicely thru the car wihout the head buffeting. Anyway, it'd be nice to have the option to have them open in some cases. -- Bill Salopek ICQ: 20536257 No worries... Business: Home: |
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Still need help with EV Cruise installation
TYA
Well 9 hours into the cruise control installation we have gotten back the
high beams, the horn, and the flasher. The problem was absolutely filthy contacts and interior on the donor cruise control arm and switch. You can't believe how small these bits will come apart after cleaning the heck of a bunch of this stuff it works. The only problem we are left with the cruise control doesn't work. The cruise switch has been tested extensively for continuity and function, from the switch to the stock, to wiring harness to the loom. The vacuum pump works when we apply power to it, and the pump generates suction. The problem is you can't bench test stuff that only goes active at 30 kmh or faster. The remaining questions are: 1. Can anyone fax me the pages from Bentley on troubleshooting the cruise system? 2. I would like a list of the relays by position and number from a vehicle with auto, air, cruise. Alternately if you know what position the relay(s) or relay for cruise is I would like to know what the relay # is and the position I should find it in. Reg phone or fax 780-459-0813. |
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Re: EVC sighted in Maine
Gary
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It was me, my wife, dad, mom, and brother .... making our way up the coast for the weekend Alex -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Clendening [mailto:garyc@...] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 10:52 AM To: EV-Update Subject: [ev_update] EVC sighted in Maine Hi, Who was going into Wiscassett, Maine yesterday along with three miles of backed up traffic. We waved but from our little Civic so it would mean little. Hate to think of driving this weekend in Maine because everyone's going to the same places. We went to a little backwater of Maine near Reid State Park called Five Islands. It was quiet, very quaint and even had a lobster eatery on the wharf. The fog was thick tho. Cheers to all for Labor Day, Gary and Belle Clendening '97 EVC; Flying Carpet 207-6220631 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining! eGroups.com home: - Simplifying group communications |
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Re: '99 MV vs. GL
Howard Fleming
We purchased a 99 EuroVan MV in July, the one we bought did
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include the curtains. In talking with the salesman, it appears the only difference between the Weekender and the MV (for 1999) is; no pop top on the MV and no cooler under the left hand jump seat. Howard On 7 Sep 99, at 17:47, Bruce Curry wrote:
Must say the rear seats are cool for conversation as well as the occasional rained-out picnic. The only down-side is that the front seats do not recline at all when the two rear-facing seats are in place. This can be troubling when passenger A wants to lean back a tad for a little shut-eye. Solution is to remove the jump seat when camping and when 7 passenger seating is not needed. Good spot for the cooler - seat belt wraps right around it and goes thru both handles - allowing access by long armed drivers. MV storage is excellent - extending waaaay under the folding bed. I can get all my camping gear under there leaving the back deck for clothing, food and necessities. I think that there should be some curtains hidden away on-board that snap into place. My weekender has them. We rarely use the table other than for the occasional on-the-road or rained-out camping meal. I will sometimes use it to place a small VDO camera so my kids can watch a movie during a particularly long stretch of highway. Nice to know its there in a pinch tho. Bruce 93 MV WK Does the rear seat fold down into a small bed on an MV? It also looked like it had a nifty storage compartment behind the rear bench, a la the Camper set-up. This model was not a weekender version, but looked like curtains could be added. I'm curious to know from current MV owners whether the rear facing seats are useful or a novelty. The little table was handy, but again, is it useful? Is the MV as versatile as it appears? hfleming@... Alexandria, VA hfleming@... 99 EuroVan MV - 97 Cabrio - 85 Vanagon - 84 Westy 84 Vanagon GL (spare parts that turned into a project) |
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93 Gasoline Smell and Fires
I believe someone posted to this group trying to drum up support for
getting all 93 EV's recalled for this serious safety problem. The fact that VW has not done this on it's own is a good reason for not buying their products in the future. The new Passat is a great car, but I for one would not buy it until I see more integrity demonstrated by VWUSA on this. It's one thing to not stand behind annoying design problems; it's another entirely for not addressing a potentially deadly problem that is relatively inexpensive to fix. I replaced all of the crimp cramps with top quality ABA brand screw clamps that do not damage hoses. The thing still leaked at cold. After much frustration, I traced the problem to the two lines (one blue and one black) that come from the gas tank. The lines are a hard plastic that terminate with a brass ferule to a short rubber line that connects to the metal fittings near the engine. The ferule clamps down over the two lines and a brass tube in the middle. The problem is that the rubber line cracks very prematurely with age; you can not see the tiny cracks until you dissassemble it. There are two fixes: replace both of the lines completely (expensive parts and a complicated repair to get at the fuel tank). One could probably persuade VW to pay for this with enough persistence. This is preferred, since the other end of the line down at the gas tank may have the same cracking going on. That end is exposed to much less heat, however. The second is to carefully dissamble both of these lines, preserving the inner brass tube. The rubber tube can be replaced by a same size fuel line, and clamped over the hard plastic tube after forcing the brass tube inside it (this takes some persistence). This approach has worked fine for me, and has been working well for over a year at all temperatures. Obviously, I can't recommend it to anyone else given the safety issues involved. -Gregg Burgess |
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Re: '99 MV vs. GL
Bruce Curry
开云体育Must say the rear seats are cool for conversation as well as the occasional rained-out picnic.? The only down-side is that the front seats do not recline at all when the two rear-facing seats are in place.? This can be troubling when passenger A wants to lean back a tad for a little shut-eye.? Solution is to remove the jump seat when camping and when 7 passenger seating is not needed.? Good spot for the cooler - seat belt wraps right around it and goes thru both handles - allowing access by long armed drivers.? MV storage is excellent - extending waaaay under the folding bed.? I can get all my camping gear under there leaving the back deck for clothing, food and necessities.? I think that there should be some curtains hidden away on-board that snap into place.?? My weekender has them.? We rarely use the table other than for the occasional on-the-road or rained-out camping meal. I will sometimes use it to place a small VDO camera so my kids can watch a movie during a particularly long stretch of highway.? Nice to know its there in a pinch tho.? Bruce 93 MV WK Does the rear seat fold down into a small bed on an MV?? It also looked like it had a nifty storage compartment behind the rear bench, a la the Camper set-up. |
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Re: '99 MV vs. GL
In a message dated 9/7/99 6:19:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hfleming@... writes: << In talking with the salesman, it appears the only difference between the Weekender and the MV (for 1999) is; no pop top on the MV and no cooler under the left hand jump seat. >> The Weekender gets the curtains that slide instead of snap in place as well as the extra battery and I think a larger alternator. My only regret is I wish the AC was better venilated to the rear. Rolland 99 Weekender |
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Re: '99 MV vs. GL
In a message dated 9/7/99 5:57:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
taizo@... writes: << Must say the rear seats are cool for conversation as well as the occasional rained-out picnic. >> This was one of the big factors when we got our Weekender. We tailgate before and after college football games and in Oregon we do get 1-2 games with some drizzle. Also during the summer months we crew for hot air balloons in the local area. Makes for a nice place to hole up if we are trying to out smart a windy day. Rolland 99 Weekender |
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