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Re: '93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?

[email protected]
 

In a message dated 9/8/99 11:50:24 AM, erolz@... wrote:

<<I have tried to get a sliding rear window, but my dealer claims it is
not feasible to so since VW does not offer any kits. I don't know of
any aftermarket windows and the junk yards I have contacted don't have
those windows. Any suggestions?
Eckhard>>

I can get side windows that tilt out, but they are expensive. If I remember
correctly, around $475.00 ea with shipping.

Steve Lashley
'66 Westy
'74 Campmobile
'93 EV MV
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Importing German Side Tents, Carver Propane Heaters and other Accessories for
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Vance, Beaumont W.
 

IT sounds crazy, but there were other factors, one being that I just
couldn't find a decent used 95. The other was that it was a desert car and
the camper equip had never been used. It was Cherry except for the miles. No
regrets here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Severin D Chayka [mailto:chaykasd@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:38 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I guess we just have different points of view. I'd never ever buy 90000
miles for 5k no matter what!


At 09:25 AM 9/8/99 -0600, you wrote:
I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
is OK.)

I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We
have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor
problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great.

If it checks out OK, what is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save
some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV,
so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.

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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Kevin B
 

My 95 EVC was a VW of America repurchase vehicle. The EVC was from So.
California and was repurchased by VW in March of 1998 with 37,000 miles. I
purchased the van in May 1998. The reason given was problems with the
camping equipment and the power windows. It was my experience that VW has
extensive paperwork on a vehicle that it repurchases. The dealer I
purchased it from provided me with all the documentation: Why it was
repurchased and what work VW had done on the van. The van also came with a
12 month 12,000 mile warranty. We now have 68,000 miles on the EVC and have
had no major problems. Our experience with the camping equipment has been
similar to others on the list. If the salesman story is a repurchase he
should be able to provide some documentation for you.

Kevin
Scottsdale, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Curt Elsbernd [SMTP:curte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 6:46 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] VWofA repurchase EVC?

After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the
burners and it
appears that the fridge has never been used.

Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original
owner.
I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that
the owner
was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was
transfered
out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks
and
didn't like some chipped paint.

I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military,
and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a
valid reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the
second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for
squeaks and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done
because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it
wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been
involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California?
Maybe there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at
a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt




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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Severin D Chayka
 

I guess we just have different points of view. I'd never ever buy 90000 miles for 5k no matter what!


At 09:25 AM 9/8/99 -0600, you wrote:
I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
is OK.)

I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We
have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor
problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great.

If it checks out OK, what is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.

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@ PCI Energy Services.
Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Vance, Beaumont W.
 

I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
is OK.)

I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We
have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor
problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great.

If it checks out OK, what is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.

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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

James H. McCarthy
 

I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.
Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Steve Kammerer
 

How much is the dealer willing to sell the 99 that they "repurdhased".
stevek
97 EVC
Re: '93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?

Bill Salopek
 

Would it be possible to wire the rear fan in such a way that the
overhead vents (A/C) could be used for fresh air. Right now they only
blow air when the A/C is on. All one would have to do is wire the
switch so that the blower comes on w/o the A/C engaged. What do you
think? Any suggestions?
I had this same thought...seems to me that all a person would have to do
is intercept the hot wire that turns the compressor on and put a switch
in there.

Then, when the regular A/C controls are moved into a position where the
rear vents should activate, they still will...then all you'd have to do
is turn the actual compressor on with the separate switch.

I have tried to get a sliding rear window, but my dealer claims it is
not feasible to so since VW does not offer any kits. I don't know of
any aftermarket windows and the junk yards I have contacted don't have
those windows. Any suggestions?
I'm pretty sure any automobile window shop, and/or a body shop, could
swap out the side/rear windows no problem...either buying a window
directly from VW, or from a junkyard.

--

Bill Salopek
ICQ: 20536257
No worries...
Business:
Home:

Maine Trip Report

Zaborenko, Alex, NNAD
 

My wife and I just came back from taking my parents and brother on a 1500
mile camping trip in Maine. Trying to camp with the middle bench seat is an
adventure to say the least.

My wife, 2 pugs, and I slept in a tent on a new air mattress that decided
that 4 hours was as long as it was going to hold enough air to be
comfortable. We were forced to refill it in the middle of every night.

My parents slept on the top bunk since they felt it was roomier than the
bottom and gave better ventilation. My brother slept on the bottom bed. To
accomplish this we flipped the middle bench around, took it off the tracks
and rolled it towards the front seats which were pushed forward. This gave
enough room for the bed to fold out and be able to sit in the bench at the
same time.

We were forced to use picnic benches every time we ate, something we had
never done with just the 2 of us camping. We definitely missed the
convenience of being able to ignore our surroundings to eat a meal or go to
the bathroom (there wasn't enough room for a portapotty with everyone's
crap)

All in all it was a good time as we saw York beach, Ogonquit, Kennebunkport
beach, Camden, Pemaquid Point, Acadia and the unavoidable LL Bean stop in
Freeport. It was nice weather barring the fog that kept coming in that
blocked many of the nice views from Acadia. However, we did hear the
Thunder in Thunder Hole for the first time in 5 visits.

Alex, Lisa, Matisse, & Penelope in our 99 EVC approaching 20K miles.
Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Severin D Chayka
 

Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some $$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it and go after brand new one.

Severin.


At 10:13 AM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote:


After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new.
There is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get the
vehicle's history, provided you can give them the VIN.



Ask the dealer for the VIN. If he hesitates, don't buy the car! EVs have enough
problems as it is, you don't want any more!
I think that your Department of Motor Vehicles can give you the same info for
less money. I would try to find out the name of the previous owner and contact
him. Remember, you are dealing with a car salesman. One commanding officer in
the AF once said, if he had a brother who is a used car salesman, and he was up
for his polygraph and renewal of his security clearance, he would tell them that
his brother is in jail, for fear of loosing his security clearance.
You could try contacting VW, but they have never been helpful. 1-800-Drive-VW.


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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Eckhard Rolz
 



After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new.
There is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get the
vehicle's history, provided you can give them the VIN.



Ask the dealer for the VIN. If he hesitates, don't buy the car! EVs have enough
problems as it is, you don't want any more!
I think that your Department of Motor Vehicles can give you the same info for
less money. I would try to find out the name of the previous owner and contact
him. Remember, you are dealing with a car salesman. One commanding officer in
the AF once said, if he had a brother who is a used car salesman, and he was up
for his polygraph and renewal of his security clearance, he would tell them that
his brother is in jail, for fear of loosing his security clearance.
You could try contacting VW, but they have never been helpful. 1-800-Drive-VW.
Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

Coby Smolens
 

I agree - it smells a little funny. Maybe you could make the sale contingent
on the van's passing the acid test of an extended test drive (say a three
day weekend camping in the mountains) and an independent pre-purchase
inspection.

Coby

Valley Wagonworks
"Intimately acquainted with VW Vans since 1959"

Volkswagen Bus, Vanagon, Westfalia and Eurovan
Repair and Service Specialists

1535 Sir Francis Drake Blvd., San Anselmo, CA 94933
Voice:(415) 457-5628
Fax: (415) 457-0967

mailto:contact@...


I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military,
and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer.
It's a valid
reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the
second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle
for squeaks
and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done
because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it
wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been
involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in
California? Maybe
there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a
new EVC at a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt
Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

 

Is it possible to contact the previous owner and verify the story the
salesman gave?

-----Original Message-----
From: Curt Elsbernd [mailto:curte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:46 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] VWofA repurchase EVC?


After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the burners
and it
appears that the fridge has never been used.

Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original
owner.
I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that
the owner
was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was
transfered
out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks
and
didn't like some chipped paint.

I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military,
and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a valid
reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the
second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for squeaks
and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done
because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it
wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been
involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California? Maybe
there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt




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VWofA repurchase EVC?

Curt Elsbernd
 

After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it. It is
essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the burners and it
appears that the fridge has never been used.

Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original owner.
I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that the owner
was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was transfered
out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks and
didn't like some chipped paint.

I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military, and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a valid reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for squeaks and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California? Maybe there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt
'93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?

Eckhard Rolz
 

To improve airflow to the rear I had the following idea, but I don't
know if it is feasible.
Would it be possible to wire the rear fan in such a way that the
overhead vents (A/C) could be used for fresh air. Right now they only
blow air when the A/C is on. All one would have to do is wire the
switch so that the blower comes on w/o the A/C engaged. What do you
think? Any suggestions?
I have tried to get a sliding rear window, but my dealer claims it is
not feasible to so since VW does not offer any kits. I don't know of
any aftermarket windows and the junk yards I have contacted don't have
those windows. Any suggestions?
Eckhard
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Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?

[email protected]
 

If it was bought back there should be a title with the PO name and address.
If it was not bought back(like if it is a demo or something (or worse stolen
off the lot),there will still be a MSO from the factory instead of the title.
I worked for a Nissan dealer a few years back. Nissan had a whole bunch of
"PAINT DAMAGED" cars. These were cars that the cosmoline had worn off and the
clear coats had small bare spots from acid rain. Nissan sold these cars with
Titles. I don't know if the were sold and taken back or just titled and given
to dealers as "program cars". Well to get to the end of this the dealer I
worked for sold these cars as new. When the NEW OWNERS got thier titles back
from DMV they came running back to the dealer asking why thier titles said
USED.

Ask the dealer to give you a copy of the MSO or the TITLE. This will give
you a clear indecation of what is going on. By the way what state are you
located in??

R&R GREAKER
95 Eurobago
82 Diesel Westi
Re: '93 GL..rear side windows and/or roof vent?

Bill Salopek
 

I have a 93 Weekender with the sliding rear windows and hardly, if ever, use
them opened when the EV is moving. They make too much wind noise and provide
little if any air circulation.
Part of my goal is to decrease the wind buffeting on my head when the
driver's side window is down.

Figuring that wind behaves the same in most vehicles, it's always been
my experience in a car that when just the front window is down, the
driver's head gets buffeted quite a bit...but then lower the rear window
behind the driver and somehow the wind just flows around nicely thru the
car wihout the head buffeting.

Anyway, it'd be nice to have the option to have them open in some cases.

--

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ICQ: 20536257
No worries...
Business:
Home:

Still need help with EV Cruise installation

TYA
 

Well 9 hours into the cruise control installation we have gotten back the
high beams, the horn, and the flasher.

The problem was absolutely filthy contacts and interior on the donor cruise
control arm and switch. You can't believe how small these bits will come
apart after cleaning the heck of a bunch of this stuff it works.

The only problem we are left with the cruise control doesn't work. The
cruise switch has been tested extensively for continuity and function, from
the switch to the stock, to wiring harness to the loom.

The vacuum pump works when we apply power to it, and the pump generates
suction. The problem is you can't bench test stuff that only goes active
at 30 kmh or faster.

The remaining questions are:
1. Can anyone fax me the pages from Bentley on troubleshooting the cruise
system?
2. I would like a list of the relays by position and number from a vehicle
with auto, air, cruise. Alternately if you know what position the
relay(s) or relay for cruise is I would like to know what the relay # is
and the position I should find it in.

Reg

phone or fax 780-459-0813.
Re: EVC sighted in Maine

 

Gary

It was me, my wife, dad, mom, and brother .... making our way up the coast
for the weekend

Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Clendening [mailto:garyc@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 10:52 AM
To: EV-Update
Subject: [ev_update] EVC sighted in Maine


Hi,

Who was going into Wiscassett, Maine yesterday along with three miles of
backed up traffic. We waved but from our little Civic so it would mean
little. Hate to think of driving this weekend in Maine because everyone's
going to the same places. We went to a little backwater of Maine near Reid
State Park called Five Islands. It was quiet, very quaint and even had a
lobster eatery on the wharf. The fog was thick tho.

Cheers to all for Labor Day,

Gary and Belle Clendening
'97 EVC; Flying Carpet
207-6220631


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Re: '99 MV vs. GL

Howard Fleming
 

We purchased a 99 EuroVan MV in July, the one we bought did
include the curtains. In talking with the salesman, it appears the
only difference between the Weekender and the MV (for 1999) is;
no pop top on the MV and no cooler under the left hand jump seat.

Howard

On 7 Sep 99, at 17:47, Bruce Curry wrote:

Must say the rear seats are cool for conversation as well as the
occasional rained-out picnic. The only down-side is that the front
seats do not recline at all when the two rear-facing seats are in
place. This can be troubling when passenger A wants to lean back
a tad for a little shut-eye. Solution is to remove the jump seat when
camping and when 7 passenger seating is not needed. Good spot
for the cooler - seat belt wraps right around it and goes thru both
handles - allowing access by long armed drivers.
MV storage is excellent - extending waaaay under the folding bed. I
can get all my camping gear under there leaving the back deck for
clothing, food and necessities. I think that there should be some
curtains hidden away on-board that snap into place. My
weekender has them.
We rarely use the table other than for the occasional on-the-road or
rained-out camping meal. I will sometimes use it to place a small
VDO camera so my kids can watch a movie during a particularly
long stretch of highway. Nice to know its there in a pinch tho.
Bruce
93 MV WK
Does the rear seat fold down into a small bed on an MV? It
also looked like it had a nifty storage compartment behind the
rear bench, a la the Camper set-up.
This model was not a weekender version, but looked like
curtains could be added. I'm curious to know from current
MV owners whether the rear facing seats are useful or a
novelty. The little table was handy, but again, is it useful? Is
the MV as versatile as it appears?


hfleming@... Alexandria, VA hfleming@...
99 EuroVan MV - 97 Cabrio - 85 Vanagon - 84 Westy
84 Vanagon GL (spare parts that turned into a project)
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