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It's G'day mate,
We have a good range of models, Including SWB, LWB, Single and Double
cab chassis with Syncro available on manual 2.5 and diesel models
Engines fitted are 2.0 , 2.5 petrol and 2.5 Tdi diesel. Your V6 is not
available here.
As to the Harley Davidson fitting in the back of a twin or single cab
..the specifications I have show it to be at least 2 metres long. I
have a half share of a Harley but have no idea how long it is... never
ridden it either!
Ray
89' Transporter

November 2, 1999. Melbourne Cup Day.

Dear Diary;
Just dropped into my local VW dealer today for the first time. The radio in my brand new 99 EVC stopped working and the under-dash fuse was OK. I called and the service guy, whose name I did not remember, told me there was a one-week wait for a service stall but that I could bring the EVC in any time that afternoon and they would pull the radio and look at it.
When I got to the dealer I spent a delightful 10 minutes standing expectantly at the head of Service Row. Nobody talked to me, although one person did look inside the van and decided *not* to put down paper floormats. Finally I wandered into an office and Steve (as I later discovered) asked me what he could do. I explained my visit. He said there was nothing he could do for a week. I repeated the phone conversation. He made the point that it was not *he* who had answered the phone (a point he would make at least 5 times more). I could not deny it. Nevertheless, I wondered silently why, if it was critical to whom I had spoken, that he did not try to find out. Looking back, I realize this was probably Step One in the time-honored process of making the customer feel like a putz.
Steve looked at the radio. Aftermarket, he asked? Bad move Steve. No, I said, thats the standard radio for EVCs, it and the van are brand new, and the radio doesnt work.
I made the point that what I did *not* want to do was come down in a week for an appointment only to be told that they would need to order a new radio and I would get to wait another 2-3 weeks. Steve said it would only take 2-3 days. I said, thats OK, if it really is only 2-3 days. Steve waffled. I asked how long it *would* take. Steve asked me why I was being so hard on him? I replied I was not trying to be hard on him, just trying to get the facts straight. I wondered, silently again, at why this was turning into a personal thing. And again, looking back, this appears to have been a little riff preliminary to Step Two in the Customer Putz process.
Steve asked, did I buy the van here? I was dumbstruck by the brilliance of the question. In one short sentence he had laid a guilt trip on me for betraying my local dealer. Never mind that his dealership didnt have any for sale, or that dealers make their money on service, not sales. Yes, this was definitely Step Two, and the fact that the selling dealers cardboard inserts were prominently displayed in the license plate frames takes nothing away from his timing.
No, I said, flushing. Perhaps, Steve murmured, *your* dealer would have a radio in stock? Unlikely, I said, thinking fast. He only gets 3-4 EVCs a year. At any rate, he is 50 miles away so I called you first. Well, said Steve, if it were the president of the company you had called Id clear a stall and get it done right away. Step Three.
Standoff. Steve asked to see the registration and went back to his office. I peeled it off the windshield and followed him. Oh, its new, he said. I began to feel momentum coming back to my side at this restatement of the obvious. Then Steve capitulated. He told me to go get a cup of coffee and someone would take a look. 45 minutes later I walked back to his office (without being called) and it was ready. Diagnosis - you need a new radio. Well call you when it's in. And a final shot - he had to take two people off the line to check this out. Step Four, but the last for today. Ridden with guilt, I trudged back to my van.

When I got home I discovered the left low beams were dead. We had been talking about fuses, and opening the fuse door had caused a 10A fuse to fall to the floor. It was nowhere to be found, and a 10A fuse was missing from the left low beam slot. Should I call and ask for the fuse back? Naah. Ill just visit Radio Shack. I *will* call in 3 days to see if the radio is in. Any predictions?
One thing I guarantee - Ill get the guys name in case theres another pop quiz during my next visit.

-- Chuck

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Chuck Bragg, Santa Monica Bay Audubon

cgbragg@...
fax: 209-671-6396
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At 02:01 AM 11/2/1999 -0000, you wrote:

At 08:30 PM 11/1/1999 EST, you wrote:

Is the door damage the only damage? Why is the van being parted out?
There's a dark blue one at one of those sleazy used car places in Fort
Collins that is absolutely trashed and they want 9 grand! It looks like it
was stolen and later recovered, only nobody bothered to clean it up. Just
curious.

Todd
Windsor, Colo.

Dear Todd,

Dear Todd & Eurovan List,

This vehicle has not been trashed or parted out yet. Crack in windshield
not from impact. Front end no damage, left side no damage, rear no damage.

Right side rear quarter panel lower near door, right side sliding door,
right side pillar between door and front door, rear edge of right front door.

The right front passenger door can still be opened. I suspect the sliding
door still opens. All the glass is intact.

The van has blauplunkt am/fm/cassette, nice light blue gray exterior, and
it looks like gray corduroy type clothe interior.

The owner drove the van for a couple of week while settling with insurance
company. Impact damage says he was obviously t-boned while running a red
light, or someone failed to yield right of way. Previous owner was
probably a college professor at a Quebec college judging by parking
stickers on the van...

This van is in drive away condition for someone who needs parts. If you
don't need the whole van send me the turn signal arm with the cruise button
as my finder's fee. I am deliberately not buying this part so the
destruction of a drivable Eurovan is delayed.

REG

I have a 93 white eurovan mv with 95000 miles. We hit a car and
crinkled the hood, grill, radiator, air conditioning condenser,
passenger headlight and turn signal light, and bumper. The rest is in
excellent condition. I want to sell it whole or parts.

Its an automatic with dual air MV package.
Phone is (864) 654-0075 home We live in Clemson, SC.

My computer crashed while I was sending the last message here it is again,
in a more complete form.

I found that difficult to believe, but your right. I found the
following information on several different web sites.
Also interesting is the definition of LPG , as defined by OSHA. So how do
you make sure that your getting 100% propane when buying LPG. Most gas
station attendants, wouldn't know the difference.

"each of these liquid fuels has a different boiling point or point at which
gas is produced. Butane (N-Butane or normal butane) has a boiling point, of
31 degrees F. Isobutane (think of this as the premium gasoline of the butane
line) has a boiling point of 11 degrees F. Propane by itself has a boiling
point of -43 degrees F. Simply put, at below 31 degrees F, normal butane has
difficulty vaporizing"

"Simply put, at below 31 degrees F, normal butane has difficulty vaporizing"

OSHA Regulations (Standards - 29 CFR)
..1926.155(j)

(j)
"Liquefied petroleum gases," "LPG" and "LP Gas" mean and include any
material which is
composed predominantly of any of the following hydrocarbons, or
mixtures of them, such as
propane, propylene, butane (normal butane or iso-butane), and
butylenes.


<<I mean that if the temp is below freezing, the butane will not turn into a
<<gas. So nothing will light, unless of course there is some propane.

<<We discovered this the hard way. We camped at 10,500 feet. IT was about 40
<<when we went to bed. We woke up at about 12:00 and the temp in the van was
<<about 10 degrees. We had to stick the dog under the covers to stay warm.

I have found that places that sell propane usually know exactly what they
are selling. This is especially true at small places that sell propane only.
I think that people who are in the business of dispensing such a flammable
substance are pretty well educated about their product.

A lot depends on the area of the country. I don't imagine they care too
much in Forida. But here in Colorado, I don't think they sell any Butane.

I found that difficult to believe, but your right. I found the
following information on several different web sites.
Also interesting is the definition of LPG , as defined by OSHA. So how do
you make sure that your getting 100% propane when buying LPG. Most gas
station attendants, wouldn't know the difference.


31 degrees F. Isobutane (think of this as the premium
gasoline of the
butane line) has a boiling point of 11 degrees F. Propane by
itself has a
boiling point of -43 degrees F.

Simply put, at below 31 degrees F, normal butane has
difficulty
vaporizing"

OSHA Regulations (Standards - 29 CFR)
..1926.155(j)

(j)
"Liquefied petroleum gases," "LPG" and "LP Gas" mean and include any
material which is
composed predominantly of any of the following hydrocarbons, or
mixtures of them, such as
propane, propylene, butane (normal butane or iso-butane), and
butylenes.

As an old DC hand I am familiar with 3 dealerships in VA:

1). Springfield VW right by the mall - bought my 85 Vanagon there, and
they still send me a birthday card 6 addresses later!

2). Karen Radley VW in Woodbridge VA (15 mi. south on I-95)

3). Stohlman VW in Tysons' Corner area (Route 7 and Beltway I-495)

P.S. After 8 lovely years away, this "lifer for Uncle Sam" will be
returning to the DC area next summer. Condolences accepted.

Scott in Des Moines

lynette@... wrote:

I've always been a sucker for obscure vehicles. But surfing around VW
sites around the world, I see that the EV is not even sold in some
markets, (eg France) but instead they feature a US-looking model called
Sharan.

The Sharan is a much smaller vehicle, more like a larger station wagon. The
configuration I saw seats only six. I would never trade in my EV for this
tiny box. The EV is usually not listed under passenger cars on European web
sited but check out the truck page. The EV is the best selling van in
Europe. We only get the very expensive top of the line version here. In
Germany you can get it with rubber floor instead of carpet (for construction
crews etc.), with a tiny Diesel engine, with cardboard paneling in the
doors, and hand cranks for the windows. You can also get vinyl seats! The
base version is much cheaper than our $30 000+ EV.
Eckhard

3smiths@... wrote:

Does anyone know how to contact VW directly about design problems?
I have a 1997 with a shoulder belt in the rear, bench seat which has
worn out twice on sharp metal. This needs to be put on a recall list
immediately. Thanks.

I have contacted VW but usually they are not very helpful. You can try
1-800-DRIVE-VW
and speak to a customer service representative. You can also use their email
feature on the VW web site. I would recommend writing a letter. When I had a
complaint I wrote to the address in the service manual but got a reply from:

Office of the General Counsel
Product Liaison Group
600 Sylvan Avenue
Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632
Tel (201) 894-6260
Fax (201) 894-5498

You should also report the problem to the NHTSA web page or call them at
1-800-424-9393 or write to:
NHTSA
U.S. Department of Transportation
Washington, D.C. 20590

I have had the experience that phone calls to VW are simply dismissed (or
the customer service representative is not very customer oriented) and
emails are ignored. Not until I sent a (registered) letter did I get an
answer.
Good luck
Eckhard

daniel r herbert <dan.herber-@...> wrote:
original article:

On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:50:19 -0800
lynette@... wrote:

I've always been a sucker for obscure vehicles. But surfing around

VW

sites around the world, I see that the EV is not even sold in some
markets, (eg France) but instead they feature a US-looking model

called

Sharan.

Gee, Brandon, I don't know about the websites, but I spent
August in France, and there were TONS of T4s. More than
Sharans.

Dan

Brandon,

I have to agree with Dan, I think the confusion is that the "Eurovan"
name is a US/Canada name, much like the Vanagon was in the previous
incarnation of the VW van.

The T4 (the VW designation for the 4th generation of the Type 2
commercial vehicle) is the largest selling commercial vehicle in
Europe. It comes in many models....single cab pickup, double cab pick
up, double cab van (two bench seats - one in the front, one in the
middle, the rear of the van is separated by a fiberglass partition),
Kombi, Caravelle, Multivan, and various and sundry camper versions.

The Sharan is VW's equivalent to the "minivan", and is built in a joint
venture with Ford who markets their version as the "Galaxie". Both
versions are built in a jointly owned plant in Portugal.


Ric

On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:50:19 -0800
lynette@... wrote:

I've always been a sucker for obscure vehicles. But surfing around VW
sites around the world, I see that the EV is not even sold in some
markets, (eg France) but instead they feature a US-looking model called
Sharan.

Gee, Brandon, I don't know about the websites, but I spent
August in France, and there were TONS of T4s. More than
Sharans.

Dan
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DANIEL R HERBERT
Manager, Computer Services
Faculty of Dentistry
University of Toronto
dan.herbert@...

Mike, I also bought my 97 EVC at Sprlingfield VW, I found the
salesperson I used to be especially untruthful. We had agreed that when
I was going to pick it up that he would have the propane in it and we
could test all the appliances. After driving down from Columbia MD, he
said that the law forbids them to have vehicles on the lot at any time
with propane in them. He also didn't know how they worked. I later
wondered how the heck you would bring your EVC in for maintenance!
Good luck.
Ssteve Kammerer
97 EVC

john j pelszynski wrote:

On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Michael Wise wrote:

Stay clear of the Springfield dealer. Although it's true they carry the
EVC, they are a pain to deal with. I bought an EVC from them in March
and regret that I didn't spend an extra hour and drive to the next closest
dealer (somewhere in PA I think -- Gettysburg?).

Autohaus, Lancaster, PA. A good dealer.

Does anyone know how to contact VW directly about design problems?
I have a 1997 with a shoulder belt in the rear, bench seat which has
worn out twice on sharp metal. This needs to be put on a recall list
immediately. Thanks.

I've always been a sucker for obscure vehicles. But surfing around VW
sites around the world, I see that the EV is not even sold in some
markets, (eg France) but instead they feature a US-looking model called
Sharan.



No matter, really, my current car, a '91 coupe quattro, sold fewer
than 1300 copies during the 2 years Audi sold it here. Interesting to
hear that the 2000s are here, any reason to prefer one instead of a
leftover '99?

Thanks,
Brandon



rbiege-@... wrote:
original article:

Neil,
I agree with you. If VW wasn't behind the EuroVan we wouldn't have

the 1999

and now 2000 passenger models. It would have been very easy for VW to

have

not reintroduced the passenger van models after the poor sales

performance

with the '93 models but they did. Plus they updated it with airbags

and the

VR6 engine. These are great times for US EV fans. I'm sure VW will
eventually introduce a T5 but for now the T4 is still going strong.
Ron

At 08:30 PM 11/1/1999 EST, you wrote:

Is the door damage the only damage? Why is the van being parted out?
There's a dark blue one at one of those sleazy used car places in Fort
Collins that is absolutely trashed and they want 9 grand! It looks like it
was stolen and later recovered, only nobody bothered to clean it up. Just
curious.

Todd
Windsor, Colo.

Dear Todd,

I haven't personally seen the vehicle. I was supposed to leave for the
east at 6 a.m. today. I waited around all day and the flight was finally
canceled at dark. If I get a chance tomorrow am I will check it out.

REG

Hi Group,
I recently bought a '95 EVC from a couple in W.Va., and am
thoroughly enjoying the "new" VW experience. (Am selling my old
faithful '78 Westy with a heavy heart). I have a cousin who lives in
Richmond, Va., who is very interested in buying a new Eurovan camper,
but who has been unsuccessful in finding a VW dealer in Va. who even
knows what an EVC is! Does anyone have any information as to where I
can send him for some straight information from VW?

Mike Randleman
Lincolnton, NC

John,

Sorry to hear about your unfortunate encounter with a stray horse.? I lost my 93 GL to an inattentive driver a couple of weeks ago, and I'm in search mode myself.? Todd Vess led me to a new 99 GLS at the VW dealer in Greeley.? They have been by far the most aggressive dealer I've talked to yet in terms of discounts.? They've had this one on the lot for a while and are motivated to move it.

Also, I've checked for replacement 93's in the southwest and haven't had much luck.? Not a lot of EV's were sold in Texas, campers are real rare.? This limited market is hurting me on my settlement with friendly insurance company.? Anyway, I checked the Yahoo! Classifieds.? You can narrow the search quite a bit.? Just for grins, I searched for 93's for sale in Colorado and came up with a total of six, which is three more than Texas.? You might check it out.? Word of caution-the mileage indicated on the data sheet is rarely correct.

Worth a call anyway.? Good luck.

David